Que pasa with the USA and the DR relations? - Santo Domingo

RE: Que pasa with the USA and the DR relations?

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anthonyC previously said:

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generoso previously said:

As you know, since you were here, and you had direct knowledge, the tiny country of Dominican Republic stood up with their proud bare chest to the mighty USA in Apri 1965 when they invaded
the DR capital and country and Dominicans said "Basta Ya" ( No More) and made a stubborn stand against the mightiest and best equipped army in the world, stopping them in their tracks.
There is no question that the US could have wiped out and killed every soldier and civilian commando holding out in the tiny section of the city that the constitutionalist forces were holding.
But they didn't, and why did they stopped the planned offensive and city take over the 14 th, 15 th and 16 th of June?
Because of the Dominican resolve to fight to the death if they had to and not surrender. That was the slogan. And the constitutionalist forces would have also blown up all the banks and important businesses at the heart of the old city since they were all dynamited as a preventive measure.
Dominicans are a proud nation and we are a peace loving country as well, and God help those that try to harm us or invade us because we have a great resolve and determination on our side.

First off i wasn't there during the revolt.

2nd If the Dominican were so resolute in fighting to the death how come there are so many of them.
The insurgency in the D.R. was put down with a rather small U.S. force fairly quickly. There is much to commend and be proud of the Dominican People but a warrior tradition is not one of them.

First of all, Dominicans produced practically nothing but men of war for most of her early republican history including the head of the cuban liberation forces in the last phase of the criollo struggle on that island. Secondly, that "rather small U.S. force" your referring to consisted of some 25,000 American soldiers, not counting those committed by the other nations involved in the action. Fact is that in 1965 there were more American soldiers in the Dominican Republic than there were in Vietnam in that same year. Usted siempre habla sin saber.

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#15 - Posted 31 March 2009, 12:17 AM
generoso Location: United States, Quisqueya La Bella Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 5712	RE: Que pasa with the USA and the DR relations? Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: anthonyC previously said: Quote: generoso previously said: As you know, since you were here, and you had direct knowledge, the tiny country of Dominican Republic stood up with their proud bare chest to the mighty USA in Apri 1965 when they invaded the DR capital and country and Dominicans said "Basta Ya" ( No More) and made a stubborn stand against the mightiest and best equipped army in the world, stopping them in their tracks. There is no question that the US could have wiped out and killed every soldier and civilian commando holding out in the tiny section of the city that the constitutionalist forces were holding. But they didn't, and why did they stopped the planned offensive and city take over the 14 th, 15 th and 16 th of June? Because of the Dominican resolve to fight to the death if they had to and not surrender. That was the slogan. And the constitutionalist forces would have also blown up all the banks and important businesses at the heart of the old city since they were all dynamited as a preventive measure. Dominicans are a proud nation and we are a peace loving country as well, and God help those that try to harm us or invade us because we have a great resolve and determination on our side. First off i wasn't there during the revolt. 2nd If the Dominican were so resolute in fighting to the death how come there are so many of them. The insurgency in the D.R. was put down with a rather small U.S. force fairly quickly. There is much to commend and be proud of the Dominican People but a warrior tradition is not one of them. First of all, Dominicans produced practically nothing but men of war for most of her early republican history including the head of the cuban liberation forces in the last phase of the criollo struggle on that island. Secondly, that "rather small U.S. force" your referring to consisted of some 25,000 American soldiers, not counting those committed by the other nations involved in the action. Fact is that in 1965 there were more American soldiers in the Dominican Republic than there were in Vietnam in that same year. Usted siempre habla sin saber. Correction Ciby the US forces at their peak were composed of the 101 St airborne, 82 nd Airborne and first Marine division plus all the Navy forces offshore and the air force planes and radars circling overhead. A total documented force of 42,000 armed men of the USA at their peak against about 3 to 4000 Dominican patriots fighting for the constitutionalist cause, against about 30,000 junta soldiers. The 4,000 men figure later diminished because of murders, exhaustion, desertion and psy ops. So the odds were over 10 to 1. Lo que dices es la verdad este comemierda lo que siempre habla es mierda. Edited on 3/31/2009 12:18 AM by generoso. "United by purpose, bound by honor", La Hermandad.
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#11 - Posted 30 March 2009, 10:33 PM
jacirez Location: Iran, Zähedän Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1286 Posts: 1116	RE: Que pasa with the USA and the DR relations? http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/forum/living-in-the-dr/general-info/882/Dominican-Republic-State-of-the-Republic - EVERY elevation of the type ‘man,’ has hitherto been the work of an aristocratic society and so it will always be—a society believing in a long scale of gradations of rank and differences of worth among human beings, and requiring slavery in some form or other. -
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#13 - Posted 30 March 2009, 11:50 PM
DominicanChic Location: United States, New York Join date: October 2008 Member #: 1508 Posts: 378	RE: Que pasa with the USA and the DR relations? Manhattanite, I've been following the H. issue in DR for a few years now, and the "paranoia" you see on the forum is not paranoia at all, but rather a serious concern. Even if it doesn't interest you enough to comment on it, I suggest you keep your eye on this issue and analyze events that happen related to that matter. You'll quickly begin to notice the inconsistencies in policies, and hipocrasy surrounding this matter. The last thing the US wants is another refugee crisis at Florida's shores, so much so that they even guard the northern coast of Haiti to ensure they're not sailing out. We all know the US's foreign policies are made to protect their interests, wouldn't keeping Haitians in and throughout the entire island of Hispaniola serve that purpose?
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#14 - Posted 31 March 2009, 12:01 AM
cibaeño75 Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 4070	RE: Que pasa with the USA and the DR relations? Quote: anthonyC previously said: Quote: generoso previously said: As you know, since you were here, and you had direct knowledge, the tiny country of Dominican Republic stood up with their proud bare chest to the mighty USA in Apri 1965 when they invaded the DR capital and country and Dominicans said "Basta Ya" ( No More) and made a stubborn stand against the mightiest and best equipped army in the world, stopping them in their tracks. There is no question that the US could have wiped out and killed every soldier and civilian commando holding out in the tiny section of the city that the constitutionalist forces were holding. But they didn't, and why did they stopped the planned offensive and city take over the 14 th, 15 th and 16 th of June? Because of the Dominican resolve to fight to the death if they had to and not surrender. That was the slogan. And the constitutionalist forces would have also blown up all the banks and important businesses at the heart of the old city since they were all dynamited as a preventive measure. Dominicans are a proud nation and we are a peace loving country as well, and God help those that try to harm us or invade us because we have a great resolve and determination on our side. First off i wasn't there during the revolt. 2nd If the Dominican were so resolute in fighting to the death how come there are so many of them. The insurgency in the D.R. was put down with a rather small U.S. force fairly quickly. There is much to commend and be proud of the Dominican People but a warrior tradition is not one of them. First of all, Dominicans produced practically nothing but men of war for most of her early republican history including the head of the cuban liberation forces in the last phase of the criollo struggle on that island. Secondly, that "rather small U.S. force" your referring to consisted of some 25,000 American soldiers, not counting those committed by the other nations involved in the action. Fact is that in 1965 there were more American soldiers in the Dominican Republic than there were in Vietnam in that same year. Usted siempre habla sin saber. "Don't ask me who's influenced me. A lion is made up of the lambs he's digested, and I've been reading all my life."-Charles de Gaulle
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#16 - Posted 1 April 2009, 9:28 AM
generoso Location: United States, Quisqueya La Bella Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 5712	RE: Que pasa with the USA and the DR relations? This is just in looks like my post and DT is also read in DC: http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2009/4/1/31568/Washington-isnt-miffed-at-Dominican-President-may-meet-with-Obama "United by purpose, bound by honor", La Hermandad.
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#17 - Posted 1 April 2009, 10:37 AM
Manhattanite Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 336 Posts: 1688	RE: Que pasa with the USA and the DR relations? Now I'm the one looking like the prophet. Per my posts on this topic for months, Pres. Obama is far too busy to bother with 'particulars' in the word of the article, and for now more interested in a regional approach. Note that as I mentioned earlier in this thread, substantial info from the press will do NOTHING to tame the fears and conjectures of the reactionary crowd in here. Edited on 4/1/2009 10:37 AM by Manhattanite. http://englishquisqueya.ning.com
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#12 - Posted 30 March 2009, 11:49 PM
generoso Location: United States, Quisqueya La Bella Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 5712	RE: Que pasa with the USA and the DR relations? Quote: jacirez previously said: http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/forum/living-in-the-dr/general-info/882/Dominican-Republic-State-of-the-Republic Troll you are "flooding" and breaking the posting rules. This message is to gather evidence that may be deleted. "United by purpose, bound by honor", La Hermandad.
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#18 - Posted 1 April 2009, 4:57 PM
generoso Location: United States, Quisqueya La Bella Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 5712	RE: Que pasa with the USA and the DR relations? Quote: Manhattanite previously said: Now I'm the one looking like the prophet. Per my posts on this topic for months, Pres. Obama is far too busy to bother with 'particulars' in the word of the article, and for now more interested in a regional approach. Note that as I mentioned earlier in this thread, substantial info from the press will do NOTHING to tame the fears and conjectures of the reactionary crowd in here. You are the chosen one, Bwana, forgive us for our sins and our always present fucú in all our undertakings. Disclaimer: The word fucú was always used in the DR for centuries and may originally have come from Haiti or West Africa voo doo. The word was used and published in Junot Diaz book and I am mentioning it without his permission or authorization, since he will probably claim plagiarism, for which I ask his magnanimous self to please forgive me and not punish me with discredit and torture. Edited on 4/1/2009 4:58 PM by generoso. "United by purpose, bound by honor", La Hermandad.
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#19 - Posted 7 April 2009, 12:55 AM
Caonabohayti Location: United States Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1126 Posts: 890	RE: Que pasa with the USA and the DR relations? Quote: generoso previously said: Quote: Manhattanite previously said: A funny thing is I picked up some DR papers at the bodega last week. While everyone here was baselessly expressing paranoia about the toothless commission that visited from US, the paper (el Nacional, not exactly the highbrow paper) had an opinion that surely the visitors would see and report that Haitians are treated better here than back home...a bit optimistic surely, but the point is the paper withholds its negative judgment until they publish a report. That is, they wait for circumstances to match their fears instead of engaging in paranoia so abundant on our forum. If you guys are riht they would sell more papers being fearful demagogues, glad to see them take the high road... Not only are Haitians treated better here than back home, they are treated better than in all the other Caribbean islands that they have migrated to, and they are offered, with no strings attached health facilities, transportation, education, security and housing without having to bring anything to the table. This does not mean that by abusing the generous Dominican hospitality they can remain here illegally forever just mooching off the state and sending their savings back to Haiti, besides paying no taxes or making any contribution the the religion, language or customs. generoso, Now you know better than saying these things here. You know all too well that a London-based Anti-Slavery organization denounced the slave-like conditions Haitian Immigrant Workers are living in the Bateys. You know all too well the horrible situation of children who are denied an education because the authorities refuse to recognize their Dominican nationality. You know all too well how child labor is prevalent in the bateys. Who are you fooling? You can do better than that.
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#20 - Posted 7 April 2009, 1:46 AM
phcroix Location: United States Join date: April 2009 Member #: 2452 Posts: 3	RE: Que pasa with the USA and the DR relations? As far as I can see the US/DR relationship remains that of a hegemonic power with a semi-dependent small nation...just a bit more tense than usual because almost the entire array of Lat.Am. nations has taken a few steps distance from US as its attention and power have been redirected elsewhere in the last decade. Would the DR have been better off without America's intervention in Haiti? In all truth - America has very little interest in the DR. In many ways indifference is the worst form of insult; but, on the other hand - America is very generous and expects almost nothing in return.
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