cibaeño75 previously said:



I read somewhere that the Fanjuls are descended from Dominicans that left to Cuba during the era we're discussing and that they and the Dominican Franjul family have a common root. How much of this is true I cannot say with any certainty. As for the french/white haitian immigration to cuba take a gander at this:

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/cuba/French-in-Cuba.pdf

cibaeño75 previously said:


That is correct, sith lord. But the agricultural technology they introduced to said island had revertebrations for the rest of the century. Several franco families, though, obviously managed to stay in Spanish territory. The Duverges are one such family that comes to mind.

generoso previously said:

So again the same point and historical mistake happens time and time again.
The French brought their chemist experience and agricultural know how from Haiti to Cuba.
Then to Louisiana, then back to Cuba. Then back to Louisiana. But they were the pillars of progress and when the affranchis and military took over in Haiti they didn't have the brains and they failed miserably.
Happened again in the 20 th century with Fidel, the Cubans with money and human capital fled the island, leaving misery behind, and a great shortage of competent management and human capital.
Happened in Haiti recently (1990's I believe) when many Haitian teachers were hired by the UN and sent to French speaking Africa, depleting Haiti of a valuable resource.
Happened in Germany after the Nazi persecution of the Jewish scientists that emigrated to the USA, and many of those scientists
later contributed to build the atomic bomb that would have been used on Germany if they had succeeded in the war in Europe.
So then going back to the Haitian question they were then four classes of citizens in Haiti, not three:

1. The grand blancs or plantation owners mostly born in France
2. The petit blancs, or workmen, tailors, chemists, foremen and so forth.
3. The affranchis or mulattoes sons of grand blancs and slaves, or petit blancs and slaves.
4. The African slaves or their descendants.

You forget to mention free people of color who were not mulatto, people such as Touissant himself.

generoso previously said:

So again the same point and historical mistake happens time and time again.
The French brought their chemist experience and agricultural know how from Haiti to Cuba.
Then to Louisiana, then back to Cuba. Then back to Louisiana. But they were the pillars of progress and when the affranchis and military took over in Haiti they didn't have the brains and they failed miserably.
Happened again in the 20 th century with Fidel, the Cubans with money and human capital fled the island, leaving misery behind, and a great shortage of competent management and human capital.
Happened in Haiti recently (1990's I believe) when many Haitian teachers were hired by the UN and sent to French speaking Africa, depleting Haiti of a valuable resource.
Happened in Germany after the Nazi persecution of the Jewish scientists that emigrated to the USA, and many of those scientists
later contributed to build the atomic bomb that would have been used on Germany if they had succeeded in the war in Europe.
So then going back to the Haitian question they were then four classes of citizens in Haiti, not three:

1. The grand blancs or plantation owners mostly born in France
2. The petit blancs, or workmen, tailors, chemists, foremen and so forth.
3. The affranchis or mulattoes sons of grand blancs and slaves, or petit blancs and slaves.
4. The African slaves or their descendants.

cibaeño75 previously said:



You forget to mention free people of color who were not mulatto, people such as Touissant himself.

Lautaro previously said:



That might be so, but the fact at the end of the day is that the majority of that class was composed by those mixed people. Only a handful of them (like Toussaint and the mulatto Lamartiniere) would go out their way in supporting the brigand faction. It would not be until Leclerc exiled Rigaud when the mixed people would adhere themselves to the brigand faction almost to a man.

cibaeño75 previously said:




The haitian mulatto class before the revolution is of much interest to me. They developed a specific ethos that was very peculiar. Very interesting group. Too bad that their decimated numbers rose to be the new oppressors of the Haitian masses.