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#111 - Posted 9 April 2009, 11:40 AM
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well here it is again for the two boys from NYC with no sense of humour
Beaners for Mexicans has lost all its venom unless used that way with malice it has been off the board for some time .You guys are not very cosmopolitan to figure that out It was a straw man and you genoroso used it to escape your beating by cibaeno for you plagiarism The following is one of many entries that has devalued the slur Beaners http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Eiq8z4cxLo Play this and see for your self Beaners is a phony issue and you genoroso who says he knows the Southwest just jumped on board with the two Dominican Lefties.....I will give you fifty more examples of mainstream use of this word Beaners
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why dont you just go to You tube and put the word beaners in and then you guys can apologize to GC this word has no value ten categories come up including Beaners Gone Wild and of course the Beaner Song ....I dont mean ten items I mean ten categories ....what say you man of the world defender of all things big and small The word beaner that so offended the Dominican Kid from Santiago is not close to the N word in its whatever in fact just as it says in wiki it has passed to general usage ....Tell that to all the Haitian Haters..and grow up
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#112 - Posted 9 April 2009, 12:04 PM
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TA/GC if you are as old as you claim to be then you should know that you did not get banned for saying beaner. That was just one more piece of stale straw on the camel's back. The slur really didn't offend me in the slightest, YOU and your childish snarkiness are what offends me. You make a joke of EVERY thing, except where you can count on other trolls to make a joke of it for you. In all probability you didn't post any specific comment deserving of being banned, but you lacked judgment and showed up in a thread you had no place (seeing as you had no book suggestions to add) on the day/week when the moderator finally had enough of another obnoxious poster twisting many other threads in retarded directions.

You also knew EXACTLY what you were doing throwing a Mexican slur, presenting your comment as a backhanded compliment, leaving yourself a backdoor of childish excuses. This much more than the slur itself is what betrays your sorry thirst for attention. More than that you saw something that hadn't been mutated into racial strife and took it onto yourself to try and bait the thread in that direction.

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not having a Haitian to abuse the beaners start bickering amongst themselves as usual someone once told me incorrectly that Puerto Ricans and Dominicans seldom marry .....They are afraid the children will be too lazy to steal .....I love the Spanish Antilles


These NY 'boys' don't want to play with you. Get over it and move on you drama queen. If you don't like us or our topics then don't direct comments our way and save your toilet humor for your local fan club.
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#113 - Posted 9 April 2009, 12:08 PM
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TA/GC if you are as old as you claim to be then you should know that you did not get banned for saying beaner. That was just one more piece of stale straw on the camel's back. The slur really didn't offend me in the slightest, YOU and your childish snarkiness are what offends me. You make a joke of EVERY thing, except where you can count on other trolls to make a joke of it for you. In all probability you didn't post any specific comment deserving of being banned, but you lacked judgment and showed up in a thread you had no place (seeing as you had no book suggestions to add) on the day/week when the moderator finally had enough of another obnoxious poster twisting many other threads in retarded directions.

You also knew EXACTLY what you were doing throwing a Mexican slur, presenting your comment as a backhanded compliment, leaving yourself a backdoor of childish excuses. This much more than the slur itself is what betrays your sorry thirst for attention. More than that you saw something that hadn't been mutated into racial strife and took it onto yourself to try and bait the thread in that direction.

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not having a Haitian to abuse the beaners start bickering amongst themselves as usual someone once told me incorrectly that Puerto Ricans and Dominicans seldom marry .....They are afraid the children will be too lazy to steal .....I love the Spanish Antilles


These NY 'boys' don't want to play with you. Get over it and move on you drama queen. If you don't like us or our topics then don't direct comments our way and save your toilet humor for your local fan club.


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#114 - Posted 9 April 2009, 1:01 PM
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thats fine with me He was reading the thread with interest when you caught the phony genoroso in a lie and thought it was amusing and true when you dont have a haitan around you will fight with each other I know manny and the kid from cibao are not Haitian Baiters but the phony professor of OZ is constantly stirring shit and that is why He said it
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#115 - Posted 9 April 2009, 1:12 PM
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thats fine with me He was reading the thread with interest when you caught the phony genoroso in a lie and thought it was amusing and true when you dont have a haitan around you will fight with each other I know manny and the kid from cibao are not Haitian Baiters but the phony professor of OZ is constantly stirring shit and that is why He said it


That's why he felt compelled to share his sophomore backhanded compliments? Why not specifically insult generoso if that was his target? If generoso's shit stirring is so pervasive then he has a selection of threads to confront him on. Instead he immediately went with his baser, slimier instinct to promote his personal favorite spectacle, the racial shit stirring that consumes this site. From my first reply to him I asked him not to reply anymore unless he was here to talk about the topic, and I'm not inviting more convo on him either. I already said my piece and there is an entire thread on the topic of his absence/presence, he can go on amusing the rest of you there.

For my few credible compadres, I'd enjoy to hear your current reading interests.

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Well we all got our favorites out, so may as well switch gears to what are you reading now? Even if not DR related, curious to see . Here are the ones I'm juggling, I have ADD syndrome and can never plow through only one at a time...

Crowds and Power by Elias Cannetti
When money dies: The nightmare of the Weimar collapse by Adam Fergusson
Open Veins of Latin America by Eduardo Galeano



BTW I also started the PDF linked to by Cibaeño and so far it is very interesting. And the machete title I haven't pinned down, so I may have to lean on a kind soul on this board to send me a copy down the line...
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#116 - Posted 9 April 2009, 1:17 PM
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thats fine with me He was reading the thread with interest when you caught the phony genoroso in a lie and thought it was amusing and true when you dont have a haitan around you will fight with each other I know manny and the kid from cibao are not Haitian Baiters but the phony professor of OZ is constantly stirring shit and that is why He said it


That's why he felt compelled to share his sophomore backhanded compliments? Why not specifically insult generoso if that was his target? If generoso's shit stirring is so pervasive then he has a selection of threads to confront him on. Instead he immediately went with his baser, slimier instinct to promote his personal favorite spectacle, the racial shit stirring that consumes this site. From my first reply to him I asked him not to reply anymore unless he was here to talk about the topic, and I'm not inviting more convo on him either. I already said my piece and there is an entire thread on the topic of his absence/presence, he can go on amusing the rest of you there.

For my few credible compadres, I'd enjoy to hear your current reading interests.

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Well we all got our favorites out, so may as well switch gears to what are you reading now? Even if not DR related, curious to see . Here are the ones I'm juggling, I have ADD syndrome and can never plow through only one at a time...

Crowds and Power by Elias Cannetti
When money dies: The nightmare of the Weimar collapse by Adam Fergusson
Open Veins of Latin America by Eduardo Galeano



BTW I also started the PDF linked to by Cibaeño and so far it is very interesting. And the machete title I haven't pinned down, so I may have to lean on a kind soul on this board to send me a copy down the line...


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#117 - Posted 9 April 2009, 1:36 PM
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manny before I say goodbye I will tell you what I am reading ...the very recently published "Capitalizing on Change " A social history of American Business by my good friend Stanley Buder..Stanley is professor emeritus of history at Baruch College and the Graduate Center of the City University even more interesting for me if you go to the acknowledgments you will find the name John Goulet yes the notorious and infamous Gouletcolonial so that is what Iam reading .....Go look it up if you dont believe me :twisted.......: Dominican history books my favorite for a special reason is Trujillo death of the goat by Bernard Diederich it was while reading it I came across the name of a good friend with who I worked closely during my first 6 years in the DR I was stunned to realize that my friend who I also dined with often was Venancio Alzaga the brother in law of Antonio de la Maza and was giving formal Spanish lessons to the children of DeLa maza the night of the assassination he spent three months or more in San Isidro and when I asked him about it he said he was very lucky to be alive and was tortured often
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#118 - Posted 9 April 2009, 2:04 PM
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manny before I say goodbye I will tell you what I am reading ...the very recently published "Capitalizing on Change " A social history of American Business by my good friend Stanley Buder..Stanley is professor emeritus of history at Baruch College and the Graduate Center of the City University even more interesting for me if you go to the acknowledgments you will find the name John Goulet yes the notorious and infamous Gouletcolonial so that is what Iam reading .....Go look it up if you dont believe me :twisted.......: Dominican history books my favorite for a special reason is Trujillo death of the goat by Bernard Diederich it was while reading it I came across the name of a good friend with who I worked closely during my first 6 years in the DR I was stunned to realize that my friend who I also dined with often was Venancio Alzaga the brother in law of Antonio de la Maza and was giving formal Spanish lessons to the children of DeLa maza the night of the assassination he spent three months or more in San Isidro and when I asked him about it he said he was very lucky to be alive and was tortured often


Very good book, "Trujillo Death of the Goat", by Diederich.It'a an account on the Trujillo assasination. Reads like a cold war spy novel.
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#119 - Posted 2 June 2009, 3:51 PM
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Another good book (although I must warn you in the sense of it being a extremely critical one against the DR) is "La comunidad mulata: El caso socio-politico de la República Dominicana", by Pedro Andres Perez Cabral. The guy sustains on his book how our being a mulatto nation have worked against us, going as far as giving the haitian state more legitimacy than ours. Also, he sustains the myth about Taino extinction. The usefulness of the book, in my humble opinion, lies in his comparing the DR's racial history with the one of other countries in the region (specially Cuba and Brazil, which are the closest to us in mixedness).



Well took a good whack at this dense, high level text ... but am running short on time with a crying infant in the household . Laut you were not kidding about him being critic! Not sure I can agree heavily with him since I'm not a fan of pessimism, though when I get around to a complete reading I'll pass a more complete judgment. There is a great summary at this link from the national archives:

http://bagn.academiahistoria.org.do/boletines/boletin118/BAGN_2007_No_118-06.pdf
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#120 - Posted 2 June 2009, 3:55 PM
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Another good book (although I must warn you in the sense of it being a extremely critical one against the DR) is "La comunidad mulata: El caso socio-politico de la República Dominicana", by Pedro Andres Perez Cabral. The guy sustains on his book how our being a mulatto nation have worked against us, going as far as giving the haitian state more legitimacy than ours. Also, he sustains the myth about Taino extinction. The usefulness of the book, in my humble opinion, lies in his comparing the DR's racial history with the one of other countries in the region (specially Cuba and Brazil, which are the closest to us in mixedness).



Well took a good whack at this dense, high level text ... but am running short on time with a crying infant in the household . Laut you were not kidding about him being critic! Not sure I can agree heavily with him since I'm not a fan of pessimism, though when I get around to a complete reading I'll pass a more complete judgment. There is a great summary at this link from the national archives:

http://bagn.academiahistoria.org.do/boletines/boletin118/BAGN_2007_No_118-06.pdf


Believe me, it took me a month (and a deep plunge into SW books) to recover myself from that book. I personally felt like he was giving a full blown "pela 'e lengua" not only to me, but to the entire country as well. Although I wonder what he would have thought about the DNA and other scientific tests that have proven that his (and other historians) Taino extinction theory is just one big piece of BS.
Edited on 6/2/2009 3:56 PM by Lautaro.
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