generoso previously said:

Re your comments about race we could also use this thread sort of with a little discrimination to keep out the crazies, to discuss that issue because we are achieving something here, and that is a point of clarity as of why we behave a certain way and our own particular definition of maybe being bias to blacks or just having the definition of a "black attitude" and yet not prejudiced to blacks, if you can separate the two.
An Dominican anthropologist would be a welcome addition to our panel.
Regarding Puerto Ricans I find them very white and a very classist society as well. I lived there for a while, and yes they are much whiter in general than Dominicans, and the trend of the "upper classes"
is going towards just speaking english in some places as a measure of exclusivity and their feelings of superiority to us and the "jibaro" lower classes. This really disturbed me when I lived there as sometimes persons would just say to me "english" please and it was obvious that they spoke spanish.

cibaeño75 previously said:



As someone who has grown up in a Puerto Rican neighborhood here in New York and who has been to PR several times I would say that the Puerto Rican people are, in the majority, undoubtebly of mixed ancestry. The main component of this mix is definitely white mediterranean but there is a very strong undercurrent of African and indegenous blood in their population. A walk through any of their neighborhoods here in the city would bear witness to said fact. A Puerto Rican is just a sand-blasted Dominican...LOL

cibaeño75 previously said:



As someone who has grown up in a Puerto Rican neighborhood here in New York and who has been to PR several times I would say that the Puerto Rican people are, in the majority, undoubtebly of mixed ancestry. The main component of this mix is definitely white mediterranean but there is a very strong undercurrent of African and indegenous blood in their population. A walk through any of their neighborhoods here in the city would bear witness to said fact. A Puerto Rican is just a sand-blasted Dominican...LOL

generoso previously said:

Re your comments about race we could also use this thread sort of with a little discrimination to keep out the crazies, to discuss that issue because we are achieving something here, and that is a point of clarity as of why we behave a certain way and our own particular definition of maybe being bias to blacks or just having the definition of a "black attitude" and yet not prejudiced to blacks, if you can separate the two.
An Dominican anthropologist would be a welcome addition to our panel.
Regarding Puerto Ricans I find them very white and a very classist society as well. I lived there for a while, and yes they are much whiter in general than Dominicans, and the trend of the "upper classes"
is going towards just speaking english in some places as a measure of exclusivity and their feelings of superiority to us and the "jibaro" lower classes. This really disturbed me when I lived there as sometimes persons would just say to me "english" please and it was obvious that they spoke spanish.

generoso previously said:


If you have not resided in Puerto Rico you can not understand my statements by just visiting for a few days or weeks. So your conclusions just based in the New York Puerto Ricans is mostly wrong.
Living in Puerto Rico, having a home, car, work, and actually socializing every day with natives gives you another perspective called biculturalism, which you do not posses in your empirical description
of your faulty analysis based on anecdotal information.

Lautaro previously said:



You're right, general. Having lived among both communities (PR's of the island and the ones of the mainland), I'm witness to the fact that, racially speaking, they're as different as night from day. The PR from the mainland is almost a twin brother to a common dominican, whereas the PR from the island have more in common with the cubans from Florida than they will ever have with us (excepting from the ones whose families have recent dominican ancestry, that is).

generoso previously said:


I try not to make statements just to prove the fact that I may be right. If it offends somebody's racial sensitivity or opinions, that is too bad.
In any court of public opinion, a bicultural individual opinion has more weight than just a bilingual one
that has read some books and seen a few photographs.
The same as a person residing in DR at present has more weight in his particular opinions about what's happening in the country right now, than a Dominican york., who is living with the diaspora and not really breathing the smells, reading the newspapers, stuck in traffic, playing dominoes, and socializing every day with common hard working Dominicans trying to survive in a tough world.

generoso previously said:

Get "Foundations of Despotism"
Peasants, the Trujillo regime, and modernity in Dominican History, by Ricard Lee Turits.

Best book on the subject I have read so far, and I have read many.
It is a powerful critique of the simplistic demonizing of the dictatorial model of politics used by Trujillo.
It also makes you understand why the guerrilla uprisings didn't succeed in the DR and they did in Cuba.

cibaeño75 previously said:




Perhaps. But I wasn't discussing what's happening in PR. I was discussing the racial make-up of the Puerto Rican population based on personal observation. If we were to discuss it on a genetic level then my argument based on my observations would become irrefutable.