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not having a Haitian to abuse the beaners start bickering amongst themselves as usual someone once told me incorrectly that Puerto Ricans and Dominicans seldom marry .....They are afraid the children will be too lazy to steal .....I love the Spanish Antilles

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#52 - Posted 1 April 2009, 12:36 PM
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Get "Foundations of Despotism"
Peasants, the Trujillo regime, and modernity in Dominican History, by Ricard Lee Turits.

Best book on the subject I have read so far, and I have read many.
It is a powerful critique of the simplistic demonizing of the dictatorial model of politics used by Trujillo.
It also makes you understand why the guerrilla uprisings didn't succeed in the DR and they did in Cuba.


"One of the best works ever done on the Dominican Republic, this wonderful book goes a long way toward explaining not only the long-lived Trujillo dictatorship but subsequent Dominican social and political history as well. It is also a powerful critique of the simplistic demonizing of the Caribbean dictatorial model of politics attached to strongmen like Trujillo, Somoza, and Duvalier." - Lowell Gudmundson, Mount Holyoke College

It's called plagiarism.



How could I be guilty of plagiarism for sharing the public information of a book to readers taken from the book's back cover and adding my own, for the purpose of promoting that same book?
You finger pointing is a cheap shot, when we are trying to promote reading here, not steal somebody's else thunder for our own profit, benefit and glorification. Maybe I omitted the punctuation
marks, what about the rest of my statement that you conveniently omitted? What is this the Inquisition?
What earthy pleasure to you get from trying to ridicule others of wrongdoing, in such a cynic manner?
And by the way I do not agree to place Somoza and Duvalier peasant policys with Trujillo's so the statement is my own interpretation.



Plagiarism is defined as "to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own". You posted Mr. Gudmundson's quote with very little variation as your own for you gave him no credit for it. And you still try to take credit for it simply because you changed it a little! Unbeleivable. And yes, I do indeed take pleasure in exposing people that are intellectually dishonest. Very good observation.

Learn to spell first, looks like the cold air in the northern tundra has affected your judgement and reasoning ability.
I was and I am promoting his book not myself you dummy.



Perhaps I am a dummy. But I was astute enough to notice that you stole a whole sentence from someone else and tried to pass it off as your own.
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#53 - Posted 1 April 2009, 12:38 PM
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Now, now, general & ciby, could you please agree to disagree? It's of bad taste to be infighting among us. Remember that one of the factors that explains the existence of Haiti today is the terrible infighting on the french colonist side. Do you both want us to run the same fate as those people?

I second that.

Generoso and Cibaeno "fighting".....what is this, an April's Fools joke?.

Both of you are non- "well, you know what", so why not agree to disagree?.

Hey, I "heard" both of you, loud and clear, not long ago, and changed my signature, you know. JAJAJA.

Back to the topic:

I also read a little book about Enrique Blanco but it's name escapes my memory.

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#54 - Posted 1 April 2009, 12:40 PM
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Now, now, general & ciby, could you please agree to disagree. It's of bad taste to be infighting among us. Remember that one of the factors that explains the existence of Haiti today is the terrible infighting on the french colonist side. Do you both want us to run the same fate as those people?

We are not disagreeing, I am being accused and that is different.
If cibaeño75 will get off his high self serving mode for just a bit, maybe and just maybe he could be a
little less obnoxious parading his moral superiority, personal correctness and self serving banner.
He his making my own careless omission of punctuation marks into a moralistic accusatory issue, reminiscent of the great days of the Inquisition.
Intellectual dishonesty my a.s.




Refer to me as you will. The fact is that you committed plagiarism on this site. You did more than omit punctuation marks, you omitted any mention of the person who first articulated the thought! And your upset at me for pointing that out to the posters on here! LOL No me queda otra que reir.
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#55 - Posted 1 April 2009, 12:45 PM
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Get "Foundations of Despotism"
Peasants, the Trujillo regime, and modernity in Dominican History, by Ricard Lee Turits.

Best book on the subject I have read so far, and I have read many.
It is a powerful critique of the simplistic demonizing of the dictatorial model of politics used by Trujillo.
It also makes you understand why the guerrilla uprisings didn't succeed in the DR and they did in Cuba.


"One of the best works ever done on the Dominican Republic, this wonderful book goes a long way toward explaining not only the long-lived Trujillo dictatorship but subsequent Dominican social and political history as well. It is also a powerful critique of the simplistic demonizing of the Caribbean dictatorial model of politics attached to strongmen like Trujillo, Somoza, and Duvalier." - Lowell Gudmundson, Mount Holyoke College

It's called plagiarism.



How could I be guilty of plagiarism for sharing the public information of a book to readers taken from the book's back cover and adding my own, for the purpose of promoting that same book?
You finger pointing is a cheap shot, when we are trying to promote reading here, not steal somebody's else thunder for our own profit, benefit and glorification. Maybe I omitted the punctuation
marks, what about the rest of my statement that you conveniently omitted? What is this the Inquisition?
What earthy pleasure to you get from trying to ridicule others of wrongdoing, in such a cynic manner?
And by the way I do not agree to place Somoza and Duvalier peasant policys with Trujillo's so the statement is my own interpretation.



Plagiarism is defined as "to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own". You posted Mr. Gudmundson's quote with very little variation as your own for you gave him no credit for it. And you still try to take credit for it simply because you changed it a little! Unbeleivable. And yes, I do indeed take pleasure in exposing people that are intellectually dishonest. Very good observation.

Learn to spell first, looks like the cold air in the northern tundra has affected your judgement and reasoning ability.
I was and I am promoting his book not myself you dummy.



Perhaps I am a dummy. But I was astute enough to notice that you stole a whole sentence from someone else and tried to pass it off as your own.


I am glad this discussion is over, by your own admission you are a dummy that notices and is trained
in the fine art of policing and protecting the "intellectually honest" and most superior folks in our mist.
Let's move on.
"Speak softly, and carry a big stick, you will go far".
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#56 - Posted 1 April 2009, 12:49 PM
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Get "Foundations of Despotism"
Peasants, the Trujillo regime, and modernity in Dominican History, by Ricard Lee Turits.

Best book on the subject I have read so far, and I have read many.
It is a powerful critique of the simplistic demonizing of the dictatorial model of politics used by Trujillo.
It also makes you understand why the guerrilla uprisings didn't succeed in the DR and they did in Cuba.


"One of the best works ever done on the Dominican Republic, this wonderful book goes a long way toward explaining not only the long-lived Trujillo dictatorship but subsequent Dominican social and political history as well. It is also a powerful critique of the simplistic demonizing of the Caribbean dictatorial model of politics attached to strongmen like Trujillo, Somoza, and Duvalier." - Lowell Gudmundson, Mount Holyoke College

It's called plagiarism.



How could I be guilty of plagiarism for sharing the public information of a book to readers taken from the book's back cover and adding my own, for the purpose of promoting that same book?
You finger pointing is a cheap shot, when we are trying to promote reading here, not steal somebody's else thunder for our own profit, benefit and glorification. Maybe I omitted the punctuation
marks, what about the rest of my statement that you conveniently omitted? What is this the Inquisition?
What earthy pleasure to you get from trying to ridicule others of wrongdoing, in such a cynic manner?
And by the way I do not agree to place Somoza and Duvalier peasant policys with Trujillo's so the statement is my own interpretation.



Plagiarism is defined as "to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own". You posted Mr. Gudmundson's quote with very little variation as your own for you gave him no credit for it. And you still try to take credit for it simply because you changed it a little! Unbeleivable. And yes, I do indeed take pleasure in exposing people that are intellectually dishonest. Very good observation.

Learn to spell first, looks like the cold air in the northern tundra has affected your judgement and reasoning ability.
I was and I am promoting his book not myself you dummy.



Perhaps I am a dummy. But I was astute enough to notice that you stole a whole sentence from someone else and tried to pass it off as your own.


I am glad this discussion is over, by your own admission you are a dummy that notices and is trained
in the fine art of policing and protecting the "intellectually honest" and most superior folks in our mist.
Let's move on.



Oh it was over as soon as I noticed that you're an intellectual thief. From there on nothing you've posted has been taken seriously by me. As far as I'm concerned this exchange has been pure entertainment. I'm still chuckling at the thought of you attempting to defend your position when what you've done is plain for all to see...LOL
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#57 - Posted 1 April 2009, 12:55 PM
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I can also recommend Euclides Gutierrez Félix book on "Trujillo, monarca sin corona".
It is long and very extensive reading with 586 pages illustrated with some otherwise unpublished photographs that I haven't seen before.
I enjoyed the book after a few days of hard reading and found many new and interesting stories about our past. You will too, although the new revelations and not recycled information were just a few pages long.
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#58 - Posted 1 April 2009, 1:15 PM
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Get "Foundations of Despotism"
Peasants, the Trujillo regime, and modernity in Dominican History, by Ricard Lee Turits.

Best book on the subject I have read so far, and I have read many.
It is a powerful critique of the simplistic demonizing of the dictatorial model of politics used by Trujillo.
It also makes you understand why the guerrilla uprisings didn't succeed in the DR and they did in Cuba.


"One of the best works ever done on the Dominican Republic, this wonderful book goes a long way toward explaining not only the long-lived Trujillo dictatorship but subsequent Dominican social and political history as well. It is also a powerful critique of the simplistic demonizing of the Caribbean dictatorial model of politics attached to strongmen like Trujillo, Somoza, and Duvalier." - Lowell Gudmundson, Mount Holyoke College

It's called plagiarism.



How could I be guilty of plagiarism for sharing the public information of a book to readers taken from the book's back cover and adding my own, for the purpose of promoting that same book?
You finger pointing is a cheap shot, when we are trying to promote reading here, not steal somebody's else thunder for our own profit, benefit and glorification. Maybe I omitted the punctuation
marks, what about the rest of my statement that you conveniently omitted? What is this the Inquisition?
What earthy pleasure to you get from trying to ridicule others of wrongdoing, in such a cynic manner?
And by the way I do not agree to place Somoza and Duvalier peasant policys with Trujillo's so the statement is my own interpretation.



Plagiarism is defined as "to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own". You posted Mr. Gudmundson's quote with very little variation as your own for you gave him no credit for it. And you still try to take credit for it simply because you changed it a little! Unbeleivable. And yes, I do indeed take pleasure in exposing people that are intellectually dishonest. Very good observation.

Learn to spell first, looks like the cold air in the northern tundra has affected your judgement and reasoning ability.
I was and I am promoting his book not myself you dummy.



Perhaps I am a dummy. But I was astute enough to notice that you stole a whole sentence from someone else and tried to pass it off as your own.


I am glad this discussion is over, by your own admission you are a dummy that notices and is trained
in the fine art of policing and protecting the "intellectually honest" and most superior folks in our mist.
Let's move on.



Oh it was over as soon as I noticed that you're an intellectual thief. From there on nothing you've posted has been taken seriously by me. As far as I'm concerned this exchange has been pure entertainment. I'm still chuckling at the thought of you attempting to defend your position when what you've done is plain for all to see...LOL

cibaeño, There is nothing wrong with being a Dominican York or a Puerto Rican york or both.
I don't take your comments seriously either, after all I make my living stealing other peoples comments
and publishing them in DT for profit, I just don't steal dummies self serving comments, Mr. Thread police.
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#59 - Posted 1 April 2009, 1:23 PM
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Get "Foundations of Despotism"
Peasants, the Trujillo regime, and modernity in Dominican History, by Ricard Lee Turits.

Best book on the subject I have read so far, and I have read many.
It is a powerful critique of the simplistic demonizing of the dictatorial model of politics used by Trujillo.
It also makes you understand why the guerrilla uprisings didn't succeed in the DR and they did in Cuba.


"One of the best works ever done on the Dominican Republic, this wonderful book goes a long way toward explaining not only the long-lived Trujillo dictatorship but subsequent Dominican social and political history as well. It is also a powerful critique of the simplistic demonizing of the Caribbean dictatorial model of politics attached to strongmen like Trujillo, Somoza, and Duvalier." - Lowell Gudmundson, Mount Holyoke College

It's called plagiarism.



How could I be guilty of plagiarism for sharing the public information of a book to readers taken from the book's back cover and adding my own, for the purpose of promoting that same book?
You finger pointing is a cheap shot, when we are trying to promote reading here, not steal somebody's else thunder for our own profit, benefit and glorification. Maybe I omitted the punctuation
marks, what about the rest of my statement that you conveniently omitted? What is this the Inquisition?
What earthy pleasure to you get from trying to ridicule others of wrongdoing, in such a cynic manner?
And by the way I do not agree to place Somoza and Duvalier peasant policys with Trujillo's so the statement is my own interpretation.



Plagiarism is defined as "to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own". You posted Mr. Gudmundson's quote with very little variation as your own for you gave him no credit for it. And you still try to take credit for it simply because you changed it a little! Unbeleivable. And yes, I do indeed take pleasure in exposing people that are intellectually dishonest. Very good observation.

Learn to spell first, looks like the cold air in the northern tundra has affected your judgement and reasoning ability.
I was and I am promoting his book not myself you dummy.



Perhaps I am a dummy. But I was astute enough to notice that you stole a whole sentence from someone else and tried to pass it off as your own.


I am glad this discussion is over, by your own admission you are a dummy that notices and is trained
in the fine art of policing and protecting the "intellectually honest" and most superior folks in our mist.
Let's move on.



Oh it was over as soon as I noticed that you're an intellectual thief. From there on nothing you've posted has been taken seriously by me. As far as I'm concerned this exchange has been pure entertainment. I'm still chuckling at the thought of you attempting to defend your position when what you've done is plain for all to see...LOL

cibaeño, There is nothing wrong with being a Dominican York or a Puerto Rican york or both.
I don't take your comments seriously either, after all I make my living stealing other peoples comments
and publishing them in DT for profit, I just don't steal dummies self serving comments, Mr. Thread police.



Thank you for admitting as much. Now we are done. Carry on.
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#60 - Posted 1 April 2009, 1:50 PM
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Back to the topic at hand, here are some other must haves (by the author Carlos Esteban Deive):

1- Los guerrilleros negros : esclavos fugitivos y cimarrones en Santo Domingo
2- Las emigraciones dominicanas a Cuba
3- Los cimarrones del Maniel de Neiba
4- Rebeldes y marginados : ensayos historicos
5- Heterodoxia e inquisición en Santo Domingo 1492-1822
6- Vodú y magia en Santo Domingo
7- Diccionario de dominicanismos
Edited on 4/1/2009 1:51 PM by Lautaro.
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