| #1 - Posted 1 April 2009, 9:03 AM | |
Location: Canada, home safe Join date: January 2008 Member #: 268 Posts: 2788 | US sterilization of Puerto ricans 1930-1970 women The effect of US sterilization on the puertoricans women and the wave of immigration to New york city left a island quasi empty. The colonial legacy of controlling women's sexuality and reproduction continues to prevail with such policies as the testing of the I.U.D., birth control pills and the sterilization of women. In the case of sterilization, between the 1930s and the 1970s approximately one-third of Puerto Rico's female population of childbearing age had undergone the operation, the highest rate in the world. So common was the practice that the words "sterilization" and "la operacion" (the operation) were used interchangeably. The massive sterilization of Puerto Rican females warrants that their experience be brought to the forefront. THE QUESTION should something similar or more humane be considered for Haiti in cooperation with the natives, and the donor countries, in light of the demographic explosion,the future look bleak, and would affect immediately our neighboor to the east. the Haitian population growth is the most fertile in the world and forcasted to be around 19 millions in year 2023. Edited on 4/1/2009 9:05 AM by antonioj. We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope. |
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| #2 - Posted 1 April 2009, 9:19 AM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 5911 | RE: US sterilization of Puerto ricans 1930-1970 women Quote: antonioj previously said: The effect of US sterilization on the puertoricans women and the wave of immigration to New york city left a island quasi empty. The colonial legacy of controlling women's sexuality and reproduction continues to prevail with such policies as the testing of the I.U.D., birth control pills and the sterilization of women. In the case of sterilization, between the 1930s and the 1970s approximately one-third of Puerto Rico's female population of childbearing age had undergone the operation, the highest rate in the world. So common was the practice that the words "sterilization" and "la operacion" (the operation) were used interchangeably. The massive sterilization of Puerto Rican females warrants that their experience be brought to the forefront. THE QUESTION should something similar or more humane be considered for Haiti in cooperation with the natives, and the donor countries, in light of the demographic explosion,the future look bleak, and would affect immediately our neighboor to the east. the Haitian population growth is the most fertile in the world and forcasted to be around 19 millions in year 2023. A very educated New York Puerto Rican once related to me his hypothesis that the reason that the African strain in the population in PR has dwindled in the 20th Century, which saw no significant European immigration to said island, was as a direct result of the sterilization that Antonio is referring to, which did indeed occur. He cited the definitevly mulatto characteristics of long established New York Puerto Ricans and the lighter aesthetic that now exists in the very towns these very migrants hailed from. I've never seen any written research that indicates as much but it was an interesting theory nonetheless. "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill |
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| #3 - Posted 1 April 2009, 9:22 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5742 | RE: US sterilization of Puerto ricans 1930-1970 women Quote: antonioj previously said: The effect of US sterilization on the puertoricans women and the wave of immigration to New york city left a island quasi empty. The colonial legacy of controlling women's sexuality and reproduction continues to prevail with such policies as the testing of the I.U.D., birth control pills and the sterilization of women. In the case of sterilization, between the 1930s and the 1970s approximately one-third of Puerto Rico's female population of childbearing age had undergone the operation, the highest rate in the world. So common was the practice that the words "sterilization" and "la operacion" (the operation) were used interchangeably. The massive sterilization of Puerto Rican females warrants that their experience be brought to the forefront. THE QUESTION should something similar or more humane be considered for Haiti in cooperation with the natives, and the donor countries, in light of the demographic explosion,the future look bleak, and would affect immediately our neighboor to the east. the Haitian population growth is the most fertile in the world and forcasted to be around 19 millions in year 2023. I have heard that the US government did the same operation against african americans, specially on the states around the Mississipi river. But eventually that plan would backfire on them, as the people discovered the ploy and forced them to drop it. About the haitian case, this plan would come to naught if it is not done with a comprehensive plan for rescuing the economy of that country. Another thing is that it would be highly beneficial if a comparison were to be made between the rates of growth of the haitian population in the States and the one from the island, to see if the benefits of economic growth would have an impact in reducing the population growth in the island. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #4 - Posted 1 April 2009, 10:44 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 336 Posts: 1984 | RE: US sterilization of Puerto ricans 1930-1970 women When people moan about DR's socio-racial issues it's good to remind them where in the Antilles eugenics actually took place. As for applying this to Haiti, that would be up to them. Me I believe the day a group slows its reproduction is the day their culture starts dying and becoming weak. It goes against all principles of human nature and evolution to not want to multiply your own kind. Witness Europe, Russia, Japan, all places in demographic decline... they will look very different when we are old men, not likely in a positive way. China may not be far behind due to their one child policy, however their numbers are on a whole other scale. They are a great example o power in numbers, their ascent is astonishing in the last few decades and it was on the back of one of the largest cohorts/generations that any nation has ever produced. |
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| #5 - Posted 1 April 2009, 12:08 PM | |
Location: United States, Brooklyn Join date: December 2007 Member #: 40 Posts: 2770 | RE: US sterilization of Puerto ricans 1930-1970 women Quote: antonioj previously said: The effect of US sterilization on the puertoricans women and the wave of immigration to New york city left a island quasi empty. The colonial legacy of controlling women's sexuality and reproduction continues to prevail with such policies as the testing of the I.U.D., birth control pills and the sterilization of women. In the case of sterilization, between the 1930s and the 1970s approximately one-third of Puerto Rico's female population of childbearing age had undergone the operation, the highest rate in the world. So common was the practice that the words "sterilization" and "la operacion" (the operation) were used interchangeably. The massive sterilization of Puerto Rican females warrants that their experience be brought to the forefront. THE QUESTION should something similar or more humane be considered for Haiti in cooperation with the natives, and the donor countries, in light of the demographic explosion,the future look bleak, and would affect immediately our neighboor to the east. the Haitian population growth is the most fertile in the world and forcasted to be around 19 millions in year 2023. Hey Antonio don't forget that.... 19 million in haiti and 4 more million living on DR by 1923... P.S. Interesting report... never had heard of it! |
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| #6 - Posted 1 April 2009, 3:34 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5742 | RE: US sterilization of Puerto ricans 1930-1970 women Quote: Manhattanite previously said: When people moan about DR's socio-racial issues it's good to remind them where in the Antilles eugenics actually took place. As for applying this to Haiti, that would be up to them. Me I believe the day a group slows its reproduction is the day their culture starts dying and becoming weak. It goes against all principles of human nature and evolution to not want to multiply your own kind. Witness Europe, Russia, Japan, all places in demographic decline... they will look very different when we are old men, not likely in a positive way. China may not be far behind due to their one child policy, however their numbers are on a whole other scale. They are a great example o power in numbers, their ascent is astonishing in the last few decades and it was on the back of one of the largest cohorts/generations that any nation has ever produced. That might be so, but do you realistically think that Haiti (or the DR for that matter) have the natural resources to withstand their uncontrolled population growth? "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #7 - Posted 1 April 2009, 3:37 PM | |
Location: United States, Quisqueya Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 9157 | RE: US sterilization of Puerto ricans 1930-1970 women Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: Manhattanite previously said: When people moan about DR's socio-racial issues it's good to remind them where in the Antilles eugenics actually took place. As for applying this to Haiti, that would be up to them. Me I believe the day a group slows its reproduction is the day their culture starts dying and becoming weak. It goes against all principles of human nature and evolution to not want to multiply your own kind. Witness Europe, Russia, Japan, all places in demographic decline... they will look very different when we are old men, not likely in a positive way. China may not be far behind due to their one child policy, however their numbers are on a whole other scale. They are a great example o power in numbers, their ascent is astonishing in the last few decades and it was on the back of one of the largest cohorts/generations that any nation has ever produced. That might be so, but do you realistically think that Haiti (or the DR for that matter) have the natural resources to withstand their uncontrolled population growth? No problema Lautaro, they can always come here to DR to have their babies and eat. We keep welcoming them with open arms. Ignorance is temporary, stupidity lasts forever. |
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| #8 - Posted 1 April 2009, 3:39 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5742 | RE: US sterilization of Puerto ricans 1930-1970 women Quote: generoso previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: Manhattanite previously said: When people moan about DR's socio-racial issues it's good to remind them where in the Antilles eugenics actually took place. As for applying this to Haiti, that would be up to them. Me I believe the day a group slows its reproduction is the day their culture starts dying and becoming weak. It goes against all principles of human nature and evolution to not want to multiply your own kind. Witness Europe, Russia, Japan, all places in demographic decline... they will look very different when we are old men, not likely in a positive way. China may not be far behind due to their one child policy, however their numbers are on a whole other scale. They are a great example o power in numbers, their ascent is astonishing in the last few decades and it was on the back of one of the largest cohorts/generations that any nation has ever produced. That might be so, but do you realistically think that Haiti (or the DR for that matter) have the natural resources to withstand their uncontrolled population growth? No problema Lautaro, they can always come here to DR to have their babies and eat. We keep welcoming them with open arms. ¿? "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #9 - Posted 1 April 2009, 3:47 PM | |
Location: United States, Quisqueya Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 9157 | RE: US sterilization of Puerto ricans 1930-1970 women Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: generoso previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: Manhattanite previously said: When people moan about DR's socio-racial issues it's good to remind them where in the Antilles eugenics actually took place. As for applying this to Haiti, that would be up to them. Me I believe the day a group slows its reproduction is the day their culture starts dying and becoming weak. It goes against all principles of human nature and evolution to not want to multiply your own kind. Witness Europe, Russia, Japan, all places in demographic decline... they will look very different when we are old men, not likely in a positive way. China may not be far behind due to their one child policy, however their numbers are on a whole other scale. They are a great example o power in numbers, their ascent is astonishing in the last few decades and it was on the back of one of the largest cohorts/generations that any nation has ever produced. That might be so, but do you realistically think that Haiti (or the DR for that matter) have the natural resources to withstand their uncontrolled population growth? No problema Lautaro, they can always come here to DR to have their babies and eat. We keep welcoming them with open arms. ¿? Sorry buddy, I meant to say that Haitians use us as their escape valve, and can always export their unwanted and excess population to us, like they have been doing. Ignorance is temporary, stupidity lasts forever. |
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| #10 - Posted 1 April 2009, 3:48 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 336 Posts: 1984 | RE: US sterilization of Puerto ricans 1930-1970 women Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: Manhattanite previously said: When people moan about DR's socio-racial issues it's good to remind them where in the Antilles eugenics actually took place. As for applying this to Haiti, that would be up to them. Me I believe the day a group slows its reproduction is the day their culture starts dying and becoming weak. It goes against all principles of human nature and evolution to not want to multiply your own kind. Witness Europe, Russia, Japan, all places in demographic decline... they will look very different when we are old men, not likely in a positive way. China may not be far behind due to their one child policy, however their numbers are on a whole other scale. They are a great example o power in numbers, their ascent is astonishing in the last few decades and it was on the back of one of the largest cohorts/generations that any nation has ever produced. That might be so, but do you realistically think that Haiti (or the DR for that matter) have the natural resources to withstand their uncontrolled population growth? Like I said it will be up to them, or more specifically it should be up to Haitian women in counsel with their husbands. As for DR well if we are to survive with them as our neighbors we have no choice but to keep up and crank out little ones. In general, if you like Dominicans and Dominican culture you should wish for more of us |
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