| #61 - Posted 2 July 2009, 1:37 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2994 Posts: 8 | RE: Dominicans Celebrating African Culture Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: HateroPardo previously said: Quote: USADR previously said: I highly doubt the troll going under various Brazilian themed handles is here to do anything but project his own brand of AfroNazism. It is definitely his own brand of something Quote: USADR previously said: Now regarding this thread, I too am very curious as to our exact African heritage, but the records are very sketchy. DR never developed into a large slavist society, one of the things that seperate us from the rest of the Afrodiasporic people in the Americas. We never imported large amounts, Afrodescendancy admixture is high because of generations and generations of miscegenation and white flight. Our culture is a blend of Euro/Afro/Indo components, our African population was highly Hispanicized from a very early period. Notice how Cuba has a much stronger African influenced culture. The groups that are specifically mentioned: 1) Ladinos (Senegambians, Guineans, Moors, Conversos) via Spain 2) Senegambians, in particular the Muslim Wolof via Africa 3) West Indian Cocolos via the lesser Antilles 4) African Americans (limited to Samana) via the USA 5) Some slaves that escaped the French side Baracutei will reveal some very startling results of our African ancestry which seem to be very uncommon. It's only from one study, but it's a start. I look forward to Bara's results! I'm especially interested in info on that first category, and yes info is scarce. Within my own family in the more African branch I have an uncle who says when our family arrived we were already Hispanicized black people. Those histories are a bit tough to investigate, and the waters are muddied by those on the side of the cosmic cult of pan-Africanism. It may not be far from the truth. According to research by JA Rogers there were many plantations being worked by African slaves in southern Spain well before Columbus' arrival in the New World and the first African slaves to arrive in the New World (naturally arriving in Hispaniola) were already hispanicized. Also, mulattoes were not uncommon in the Canary islands and many colonial Spanish officials complained to the crown that some of the immigrants being sent from said islands were not white but indeed mulattoes. So the slaves brought to the Dominican Republic came from Spain? But why would they bring slaves from Spain and reduce the number of workers they have there to work in the fields, when the could simply bring more from Africa. I just viewed something after "googleing" the topic. Millions of African slaves where imported by Spain to the Carribean, many of them to the Island of Hispanola. I do'nt want this information going any farther than here, I would hate people to think I have any type of shared ancestry with Haitians in me. This can't be true, we have a shared history with Haitians? |
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| #62 - Posted 2 July 2009, 1:40 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 923 | RE: Dominicans Celebrating African Culture Quote: Boricua previously said: How about Euro-Centrist accounts? Like the ones that say Ethiopians and Somalis are arab caucasoids Who even follows that bs? Try telling a Somalian or Ethiopian that they look the way they do because they have 'Euro' admixture. They're 100% as African as any other group. I despise centrist of all persuasions. We just happen to get the Afro variety. Both are equally racist. |
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| #63 - Posted 2 July 2009, 1:40 PM | |
Location: United States, Santo Domingo Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 4780 | RE: Dominicans Celebrating African Culture Quote: DominicanSista previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: HateroPardo previously said: Quote: USADR previously said: I highly doubt the troll going under various Brazilian themed handles is here to do anything but project his own brand of AfroNazism. It is definitely his own brand of something Quote: USADR previously said: Now regarding this thread, I too am very curious as to our exact African heritage, but the records are very sketchy. DR never developed into a large slavist society, one of the things that seperate us from the rest of the Afrodiasporic people in the Americas. We never imported large amounts, Afrodescendancy admixture is high because of generations and generations of miscegenation and white flight. Our culture is a blend of Euro/Afro/Indo components, our African population was highly Hispanicized from a very early period. Notice how Cuba has a much stronger African influenced culture. The groups that are specifically mentioned: 1) Ladinos (Senegambians, Guineans, Moors, Conversos) via Spain 2) Senegambians, in particular the Muslim Wolof via Africa 3) West Indian Cocolos via the lesser Antilles 4) African Americans (limited to Samana) via the USA 5) Some slaves that escaped the French side Baracutei will reveal some very startling results of our African ancestry which seem to be very uncommon. It's only from one study, but it's a start. I look forward to Bara's results! I'm especially interested in info on that first category, and yes info is scarce. Within my own family in the more African branch I have an uncle who says when our family arrived we were already Hispanicized black people. Those histories are a bit tough to investigate, and the waters are muddied by those on the side of the cosmic cult of pan-Africanism. It may not be far from the truth. According to research by JA Rogers there were many plantations being worked by African slaves in southern Spain well before Columbus' arrival in the New World and the first African slaves to arrive in the New World (naturally arriving in Hispaniola) were already hispanicized. Also, mulattoes were not uncommon in the Canary islands and many colonial Spanish officials complained to the crown that some of the immigrants being sent from said islands were not white but indeed mulattoes. So the slaves brought to the Dominican Republic came from Spain? But why would they bring slaves from Spain and reduce the number of workers they have there to work in the fields, when the could simply bring more from Africa. I just viewed something after "googleing" the topic. Millions of African slaves where imported by Spain to the Carribean, many of them to the Island of Hispanola. I do'nt want this information going any farther than here, I would hate people to think I have any type of shared ancestry with Haitians in me. This can't be true, we have a shared history with Haitians? Troll alert!!!!!!!!! "Is better to light a candle than curse the darkness" Confucius |
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| #64 - Posted 2 July 2009, 1:43 PM | |
Location: United States, Santo Domingo Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 4780 | RE: Dominicans Celebrating African Culture Quote: Boricua previously said: Quote: DominicanSista previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: HateroPardo previously said: Quote: USADR previously said: I highly doubt the troll going under various Brazilian themed handles is here to do anything but project his own brand of AfroNazism. It is definitely his own brand of something Quote: USADR previously said: Now regarding this thread, I too am very curious as to our exact African heritage, but the records are very sketchy. DR never developed into a large slavist society, one of the things that seperate us from the rest of the Afrodiasporic people in the Americas. We never imported large amounts, Afrodescendancy admixture is high because of generations and generations of miscegenation and white flight. Our culture is a blend of Euro/Afro/Indo components, our African population was highly Hispanicized from a very early period. Notice how Cuba has a much stronger African influenced culture. The groups that are specifically mentioned: 1) Ladinos (Senegambians, Guineans, Moors, Conversos) via Spain 2) Senegambians, in particular the Muslim Wolof via Africa 3) West Indian Cocolos via the lesser Antilles 4) African Americans (limited to Samana) via the USA 5) Some slaves that escaped the French side Baracutei will reveal some very startling results of our African ancestry which seem to be very uncommon. It's only from one study, but it's a start. I look forward to Bara's results! I'm especially interested in info on that first category, and yes info is scarce. Within my own family in the more African branch I have an uncle who says when our family arrived we were already Hispanicized black people. Those histories are a bit tough to investigate, and the waters are muddied by those on the side of the cosmic cult of pan-Africanism. It may not be far from the truth. According to research by JA Rogers there were many plantations being worked by African slaves in southern Spain well before Columbus' arrival in the New World and the first African slaves to arrive in the New World (naturally arriving in Hispaniola) were already hispanicized. Also, mulattoes were not uncommon in the Canary islands and many colonial Spanish officials complained to the crown that some of the immigrants being sent from said islands were not white but indeed mulattoes. So the slaves brought to the Dominican Republic came from Spain? But why would they bring slaves from Spain and reduce the number of workers they have there to work in the fields, when the could simply bring more from Africa. I just viewed something after "googleing" the topic. Millions of African slaves where imported by Spain to the Carribean, many of them to the Island of Hispanola. I do'nt want this information going any farther than here, I would hate people to think I have any type of shared ancestry with Haitians in me. This can't be true, we have a shared history with Haitians? Yes. And you sound like a troll. Most were brought to DR from modern-day Congo, how can it be possible that one side of the island is black and the other side is Indians? JAJAJAJAJ! And you have to remember, DR was Haiti at one point so there was no border! So many mulatto/black dominicans are descendants of Haitians! Same picture different name, TROLL ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "Is better to light a candle than curse the darkness" Confucius |
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| #65 - Posted 2 July 2009, 1:43 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 923 | RE: Dominicans Celebrating African Culture Quote: DominicanWannabe previously said: So the slaves brought to the Dominican Republic came from Spain? But why would they bring slaves from Spain and reduce the number of workers they have there to work in the fields, when the could simply bring more from Africa. I just viewed something after "googleing" the topic. Millions of African slaves where imported by Spain to the Carribean, many of them to the Island of Hispanola. I do'nt want this information going any farther than here, I would hate people to think I have any type of shared ancestry with Haitians in me. This can't be true, we have a shared history with Haitians? 'Sista', If that is all you understood out of that whole post than I'm afraid I cannot help you if you lack basic reading comprehension. p.s. You really suck at this. |
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| #66 - Posted 2 July 2009, 1:44 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 3638 | RE: Dominicans Celebrating African Culture Quote: USADR previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Proving the adage that even a broken clock is right twice a day in your veiled dismissal of our amerindian heritage there is a kernel of what perhaps is some truth. Many years ago I read a book that many of you might find interesting concerning the possible African presence in pre-Columbian America: African presence in early America By Ivan Van Sertima http://books.google.com/books?id=uziKYgZAVS0C&pg=PA50&dq=africans+in+pre-columbian+americas Van Serima backs up his hypothesis with some pretty interesting facts. Cib, Feel free to investigate his works, but just to let you know that guy has been discredited a thousand times over by many of his peers. He's an Afrocentrist, and like all other centrist will always present a very biased account. indeed, much, but not all, of his stuff is circumstantial but there is interesting stuff in there. The gospel it is not, however, but it's still an interesting hypothesis. Read the book many years ago, though. Edited on 7/2/2009 1:48 PM by cibaeño75. 'The past is never dead. In fact, it's not even past.' - William Faulkner |
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| #67 - Posted 2 July 2009, 1:47 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 923 | RE: Dominicans Celebrating African Culture Quote: BoricuaLoca previously said: . A mi me pegan los cuernos diariamente. Among the cuernudos I am el mas 'cuernu de to" I also have an extreme case of ED. But I do get a slight rise from trolling forums. |
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| #68 - Posted 2 July 2009, 1:51 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, America Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2891 Posts: 830 | RE: Dominicans Celebrating African Culture Quote: DominicanSista previously said: So the slaves brought to the Dominican Republic came from Spain? But why would they bring slaves from Spain and reduce the number of workers they have there to work in the fields, when the could simply bring more from Africa. I just viewed something after "googleing" the topic. Millions of African slaves where imported by Spain to the Carribean, many of them to the Island of Hispanola. I do'nt want this information going any farther than here, I would hate people to think I have any type of shared ancestry with Haitians in me. This can't be true, we have a shared history with Haitians? brasilia why play this silly game? go buy the books, or earn some respect from those who could give you the info you seek. yes there actually is a legitimate historical reason (various) why they did not just 'simply bring more from Africa'. the Spanish were principally interested in mining in South America. The Spanish were never good at slaving, the undisputed champions in the slave trade were the English. the English clearly were more interested in supplying their own colonies than selling Africans to Spain. in fact the Spanish were not good at trading period and had a retarded system of tariffs and Sevillian monopolistic centralization that made importing any of the inputs for plantations (tools, materials, expertise for the mills, and African slaves) , or exporting the final products not worthwhile. SO the backwards Spanish economic system did not make it profitable to make Santo Domingo a plantation colony ... unlike Brazil and the French, English and Dutch Caribbean. SO though slavery did go on in Santo Domingo during the 1500s and survived in some form right through 1822 it was never anywhere near the scale of the operations of the rest of the Caribbean. you can verify this by looking at eiter population over thos eras in Santo Domingo, or the meager amount of exports. the Spanish simply were not efficient or skilled enough at the Atlantic trade game. they were feudal conquerors, not pre-modern mercantilists like the northern Europeans. by the time the Spanish caught on to the plantation game in the 1800s the slave trade was almost over. Santo Domingo was lost to them by this point and so their sugar period took place mostly in Cuba, and PR to a lesser degree. and so African descendants on the island have mostly come by way of the other colonies, or in the early period by way of Spain itself. I can cite every last statement here but what are you willing to pay me Edited on 7/2/2009 1:55 PM by HateroPardo. |
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| #69 - Posted 2 July 2009, 1:54 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 923 | RE: Dominicans Celebrating African Culture Quote: Boricua previously said: When I post a light skinned Ethiopian/Somali or a Somali/Ethiopian with "white" features to disprove the idea that all africans are as black as the congo, you guys always argue that they have arab admixture. If they were mixed with arab, wouldn't they in fact be dark and not light skinned? Since when Southern Europeans mixed with arabs, they became darker? Everyone on this forum know that Africa is a continent and Africans vary greatly in phenotype, They did that because you're a troll, what do you expect, a serious answer? You reap what you sow. Now, since you too are on your high horse, why don't you investigate why Horners do look down upon people who look like they came from the Congo? Why after generations Somalis discriminate against Somali Bantus (descendants of Bantu tribes)? They treat them like slaves. Why do they think of African Americans as 'slave descendants'? |
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| #70 - Posted 2 July 2009, 1:54 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: July 2009 Member #: 3051 Posts: 100 | RE: Dominicans Celebrating African Culture Quote: USADR previously said: Quote: brasilia previously said: Now guys, here we go again. Do I have to start my own website to get the discussion I want without the jealousy, the stupid complaints and cry babies thinking its an alternative motive behind everything posted? You guys want civil discussion, but what it on your own subject, your own terms. No opposing view points. You cry like "girlie" men to the site adminstrator about being hurt and offended. Toughin up and be the men you claim you are. I'm here in the D.R. working, not on any sex mission. About my "former" website. It was sold years ago. I did'nt need to search for anyone to be posted on the website, they came to me. I'm Brasilian, we do'nt search for women, they are drawn to us. Which is why we are 200 million strong after some 400 yrs and the D.R. is simply 9-10 million strong. Anyway, lets stay on topic. I simply want to know if there is a museum in the D.R. which is didicated to African ancestry in the D.R.? All the wise cracks and other comments is unnecessary. 1)Why was Brazil among the last to officially abolish slavery? Why were they the last to abolish the actual practice of slavery (which lasted much longer)? 2) Why are blacks or anyone of Afroadmixture practically absent in Brazilian television? Looking at Brazilian television is almost like looking at Portugese programming. 3) Why does Brazil hold one of the biggest gap between rich and poor? 4) Why did Brazil have an official blancamiento immigration policy to breed blacks out of existense? ____________________________________________________________________________ 1. Why did African Americans who immigrated to Liberia discriminate against the native Africans? 2. Why did African Americans set up a caste like system in Liberia in which they actively excluded native Africans from political power? 3. Why did African Americans insult/denigrate and basically dehumanize native Liberians? To the point that descendants of African Americans are called Americo-Liberians? Don't even try to come here with any arrogant posturing you race obsessed troll, when it comes to race relations Brazil doesn't hold a candle to DR. Get off your imaginary high horse, your low level trolling and layman/wikipedia knowledge won't work here. BRASIL IS THE MOST RACIALLY MIXED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. A PERSON OF AFRICAN DESCENT IN BRASIL WITH FEATURES SIMILAR TO HAITIANS COULD EASILY BE SEEN WITH A WHITE BRASILIAN AND IT WILL NOT BE A SHOCK TO ANYONE. I HAVE YET TO SEE, IN 11 YEARS IN THE D.R. A MULATTO or WHITE DOMINICAN WITH A HAITIAN OR ANY Dark skinned Dominican AT ALL. and WHO CARES IF ABOUT PUBLIC OFFICES. MAYBE NOBODY WANTED TO RUN FOR OFFICE, BUT I CAN TELL you MILLIONS OF WHITE BRASILIANS HAVE DATED DARKER SKINNED brasilians OR BRASILIANS WITH AFRICAN FEATURES SIMILAR TO HAITIANS. ABOUT ABOLISHING SLAVERY, IF YOU HAD MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO LOOKED LIKE HAITIANS IN YOUR COUNTRY WORKING FOR FREE WOULD YOU ABOLISH THE PRACTICE THAT ENABLED THIS TO BE? nope, I would'nt. |
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