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What It Says For Race On DR's ID Card?
On an ID Card in the Dominican Republic, for those who actually have one or know what one looks like, what does it say the "Race" is?

Before anyone answers this question, I would like them to first know the difference between...

Race
Ethnicity
Nationality
Ancestry

By the way, here are some sites that may help many of you on here regarding conducting accurate and proper research on DR. Because there even some Dominicans on here who do not know jack about DR but still think they can spew immense amount of ignorance on here without proper backings.

HAITI
http://www.haiti.org/

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
http://www.domrep.org/index.html


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Mi cedula me declara "blanco".
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Mi cedula me declara "blanco".


Responde a me de verdad por favor mi amigo. Hay todas las cedulas declaran los gentes de Republica Dominicana "Blanco"?

Do all or the general ID of the mass populace declare them as "White" and are you in fact or actually consider yourself "White" for real?
Does a White European descent view you as "White"?


Lautaro, what does your Domincan Identification Card says for you?
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Mi cedula me declara "blanco".


Responde a me de verdad por favor mi amigo. Hay todas las cedulas declaran los gentes de Republica Dominicana "Blanco"?

Do all or the general ID of the mass populace declare them as "White" and are you in fact or actually consider yourself "White" for real?
Does a White European descent view you as "White"?




LOL..I'm just messing with you dawgs. I have no cedula. Don't need one. But I'll tell you what, I am indeed of mixed ancestry but White Americans often time do mistaken me for a European and even the accursed Spaniards would always confuse me with a local up until the point I would spring on them with my lovely cibaeño accent which I preserve to the fullest. Phenotype and genotype are two different things my freind.
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LOL..I'm just messing with you dawgs. I have no cedula. Don't need one. But I'll tell you what, I am indeed of mixed ancestry but White Americans often time do mistaken me for a European and even the accursed Spaniards would always confuse me with a local up until the point I would spring on them with my lovely cibaeño accent which I preserve to the fullest. Phenotype and genotype are two different things my freind.


I know the difference between phenotype and genotype. Fact is, the ID Cards of the general concensus for the mass populace of Dominicans declare them "Negro" regardless of the known genetical mixture or composure of the individual. This is when I would really like the interjection of Lautaro now... (Laut my man, where art thou lol)!

Same for Haiti, regardless if one's skin is as pale as the whitest of skin of a european; their ID cards in Haiti still declare them "Noire." However, do most latinos from both Haiti and Dominican Republic actually know that or not and what are the importance of the differences to them both as far as how they are marginalized among Latin-Americans is totally of a different story.

Do you or did you know that most other Latin-Americans still to this day do not know that Haiti is a Latin-American Country and that the Ethnity for Haitians is indeed in fact Latino as well? Hence for Haitians much like in Brazil the term Afro-Latino came about to specify or give recognition to the African ancestry much like you would say Afro-American in the USA.
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LOL..I'm just messing with you dawgs. I have no cedula. Don't need one. But I'll tell you what, I am indeed of mixed ancestry but White Americans often time do mistaken me for a European and even the accursed Spaniards would always confuse me with a local up until the point I would spring on them with my lovely cibaeño accent which I preserve to the fullest. Phenotype and genotype are two different things my freind.


I know the difference between phenotype and genotype. However, do most latinos from both Haiti and Dominican Republic actually know and what are the importance of the differences to them both as far as how they are marginalized among Latin-Americans. Do you or did you know that most other Latin-Americans still to this day do not know that Haiti is a Latin-American Country and that the Ethnity for Haitians is indeed in fact Latino as well? Hence for Haitians much like in Brazil the term Afro-Latino came about to specify or give recognition to the African ancestry much like you would say Afro-American in the USA.



Yes but typically "latino" refers to those cultures that are of Iberian origin. There are some that give the word "latino" a broader definition that might include the haitians but that is not the norm. No Haitians that I went to college with identified as "latino" as far as I know, either. If you want to base it on language alone, can kreole be considered a language that derived from Latin? Many of its word's origins are indeed french but most material I've come across that linguists have put out on the language state that the lexicon and syntax of kreole is of African origin (which would make it akin to Maltese, a language were more than half the words are of Italian origin but Maltese itself is considered a semitic language).
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Yes but typically "latino" refers to those cultures that are of Iberian origin. There are some that give the word "latino" a broader definition that might include the haitians but that is not the norm. No Haitians that I went to college with identified as "latino" as far as I know, either. If you want to base it on language alone, can kreole be considered a language that derived from Latin? Many of its word's origins are indeed french but most material I've come across that linguists have put out on the language state that the lexicon and syntax of kreole is of African origin (which would make it akin to Maltese, a language were more than half the words are of Italian origin but Maltese itself is considered a semitic language).




Latino refers to any groups of people whose language or any dialects derived from the known Latin Romance languages (French, Italian, Portuguese and Spanish) which the Iberians were not a clearly defined culture, ethnic group or political entity. The name is instead a blanket term for a number of peoples belonging to a pre-Roman, Iron Age culture inhabiting the Iberian peninsula who have been historically identified as "Iberian". Although these peoples shared certain common features, they were by no means homogeneous and they diverged widely in other respects.

Many Haitians do not know or have chosen to not know the differences thus to consider themselves as Latinos due to defying arrogance in effort to rather re-identify themselves with their ancestral bacgrounds of Africa since it was widely derogated then. Creole is 75 to 80% French and the rest is a variation and mixture of many other languages other than or more so than any strong African presence in it. Creole even has Spanish and English in it due to the fact of the exposure of these known occupyers which have colonized the Island. That is why yes though Creole has just started to be viewed as a language, but that in fact it is so more of a dialect than anything else. Statistically, any dialects that is that is derived or id of mixture of two languages or more is considered Creole. Much like West Africans of Cape Verde and some AfroLatinos in Brazil who speak creoles that is branded with portuguese.
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One theory suggests that they arrived in Spain sometime during the Neolithic period, with their arrival being dated from as early as the fifth millennium BC to the third millennium BC (see Cardium culture).

Most scholars adhering to this theory believe from archaeological, anthropological and genetic evidences that the Iberians came from a region farther east in the Mediterranean presumably ancient Kingdom of Iberia. Others have suggested that they may have originated in North Africa. This portion of the theory is supported by an observation of C. Michael Hogan, who points out similarities of Chalcolithic archaeological recovery in Iberia compared to parts of Morocco.[1] The Iberians would have initially settled along the eastern coast of Spain, and then possibly spread throughout the rest of the Iberian Peninsula later on.

An alternative theory states that they were part of the original inhabitants of Western Europe and the creators/heirs of the great megalithic culture in all this area, a theory possibly supported by genetic studies. The Iberians would then be similar to the populations subdued by the Celts in the first millennium BC in Ireland, Britain and France.

P.S: By the way, the word Creole is an adaptation of the Spanish word "Criollo. Creole peoples, meaning a number of distinct ethnic groups in various countries; mix of culture. The term Creole and its cognates in other languages — such as crioulo, criollo, créole, kriolu, criol, kreyol, kriulo, kriol, krio, kreol, etc. — have been applied to people in different countries and epochs, with rather different meanings and possible identification. However, those terms are almost always used in the general area of present or former colonies in other continents, and originally referred to locally-born people with foreign ancestry.
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The initial origial question above still remains. If you are a Dominican residing in DR and own an ID Card. I would like to know what does it says your "Race" is on the actual physical card itself (Cedula).

Latin America:
In Spanish-speaking Latin America, the word criollo (cognate and closest equivalent of English Creole) generally refers to people of unmixed European (typically Spanish) descent born in the New World. According to the Spanish American caste system, people with European and indigenous origin who possessed 1/8th or less of Amerindian ancestry, were also considered criollos (unlike people with mainly European and some black African ancestry, who were deemed to be mulatto or mixed-raced). In any case, the expression Spanish American criollo is only applicable to people born in the New World.

Throughout the colonial period, a caste system was effectively in force, where the local-born criollos ranked strictly lower than governing peninsulares ("born in the Iberian Peninsula", despite both being of European ancestry. By the 19th century, this discrimination and the example of the American Revolution and the Enlightenment eventually led the criollo elite to rebel against the Spanish rule. Enlisting in many cases the support of the even lower classes — castizos, mestizos (Panama), cholos, mulattos, amerindians, zambos, and ultimately blacks — they engaged Spain in the Mexican War of Independence (1810–1821) and the South American Wars of Independence (1810–1826), which ended with the break-up of former Spanish Empire in America into a number of independent republics.

The Caribbean:
The term Creole is sometimes used to describe anyone, regardless of race or ethnicity, who was born and raised in the region. It is sometimes used to refer to persons of European, African, or mixed Afro-European descent such as mixed race people of Haiti, Guadeloupe, Martinique, Dominica, Jamaica andBarbados, or in contradistinction to other ethnicities such as East Indians in Trinidad and Guyana, or Mestizos & Creoles (African & European Decent) in Belize. It also refers to the syncretism of the various cultures (African, French, British, Spanish and Portuguese among others) which influenced the area. This is also referred to as the creolization of society "due to its ability to suggest some of the complex sociocultural issues also involved in the process" (Manuel, p. 14). Creole, 'Kreyol' or 'Kweyol' also refers to languages in the Caribbean that are derived from a fusion of African and European languages, dialects and syntax.

In parts of the Southern Caribbean the term "Creolean" is used to refer to a French-speaking person of Caucasian ethnicity. Especially if they are from the smaller islands belonging to Saint Vincent.


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Wow, I see most have chosen to abstain from answering the question. I wonder why that is... Anyways, I will be monitoring the replies to see who will be honest and I will later post an acutal physical copy of the General Governmental Dominican ID on here soon.
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