See, you're operating under the one-drop rule mindset when you mock my attempt to honor ALL the races on my lineage EQUALLY. Just because you have x% of a race on your bloodline, it doesn't mean that you have to be forced to adhere to a determined culture. Can we simply just agree to disagree? Maybe these essays will make you understand what I'm fighting up against:

http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=15

http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=16

http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=6

No es asi de simple, Afrolatino. I view racial purity as something very sacred, that only happens once, when the bloodline got mixed, it's mixed and there is nothing that can be done about it but dilluting it to the point where your descendant is 99%+ percent that race. You don't belong to the black race because the genuine black race(Negroid)is something like Mugabe and Mandela with the shiny face and yellow sclera rather than Will Smith and Tyra Banks looking mofos. Many Ethiopians, Egyptians and Sudanese are of mixed Moorish/Negrid lineage, which explains the rather normal-looking noses they now posess and suggests that they are mutts. In conclusion, Johnny Ventura, David Ortiz and Pena gomez are technically black. Milly Quezada, Hector Acosta and Manny Ramirez aren't more than Eurafrican mutts.

Based on these and other posts AfroLatino seems to be either obsessed with race/ethnicity and/or having self-identification issues in general and as it applies to DR in particular.

Here are a couple of facts that may or may not help you:

1. Dominican Republic is a LatinAmerican country.
2. Dominican Republic is a Spanish speaking country.
3. The other Spanish Caribbean Islands (Puerto Rico, Cuba) share the most similarity to DR.
4. Dominican is a nationality, it's not a single 'race' or color.
5. Dominicans fall under the Latino/Hispanic ethnic label.
6. Majority of Dominicans are of mixed heritage, this is backed up by genetic studies, ethnohistory, and anyone's eyeballs.

The 'indio' descriptor is very similar to the way Brazilians use the pardo descriptor. In Brazil, pardo is frequently used for people of any one of the following combiniations-mulattos/mestizos/zambos/tri-racials. etc. It's a very broad descriptor and it's usually people who aren't white or black.

I don't know if it's technically correct or not, but Haitians are not considered Latinos/Hispanics and neither do they self-identify as such here in the USA. If speaking French makes them Latinos/Hispanics, then that would mean French Guiana, Guadaloupe, Martinique, St. Martin, Quebec are Latinos too.
By the way, blame the French for the Latino term, it was they who came up with it ironically.

Duh, if you have not been paying attention and not doing your own selective reading you will see that I said that Nationality does not mean race or ethnicity. Dominicans falls under "latino" and the race is still "colored" or "Negros" no matter how much many Dominicans try to deviate from the facts or flatter other ethnic self labeled categories such as Indio. If that was this simple then the whole world would come up possibly not really having specific races, and ethnics.

Indeed, Haitians areconsidered latinos because being latino does nopt belong to those who speak spanish alone, but all the Romance languages or any dielects that derrived from any particular Romance languages such as French, Spanish, Italian and Portugues. Go read about it. It is not up to those who speak only Spanish to decide who is part of that category or not. Plain and simple, because muchlike you havein Brazil the "AfroLatinos" that is what Haitians are if they were to not want to simply refer to themselves as only latinos thus to give recognition to their African roots. So once again you have contradicting yourself by this last statement upon which justified and where my case rests "ironically" (indeed lol).

Dominicans, much like many people of the world indeed may be mixed; but it does not deter from the fact that you arenot considered white as well as a white person willnot considre you one; and being mixed in fact considers you as a person of color period. Dominicans may indeed be a mixture of White Europeans from Spain or (of anything of mixture a spanish person might be a descendant of), also they are mixed with African more so than Taino Indians because as History and facts willt ell you the Spaniard drove the Indigenous Tainos to extinction (Is that a lie as well?) or something most Dominicans still like to marginalized as the part of their fantasy gene pool just to simply evade from accepting the fact that they are part African in spite of their racial brainwashed hatred for their neighbor period. (Not to say that no Indigenous people may nothave survived to make this areality, but the amount of survivors where enormously slim but never the less granted some may have survived I am sure). However, it is funnyto me how Europeans have managed to make all people of color take and give importance to perception of racial color as to make most of the world glorify being of thier European mix over any other ethnic racial groups. Whether one is French from France, Spanish from Spain, Portugues from Portugal and Italian from Italy; guess what, they are all Europeans and regardless of their ancient past leneage and they have all accepted that, yet the same does not seem to apply for people of color who are indeed mixture of races of people such as the Latin-Americas.

Lastly, different people; different stroke of passionate subjects they like to takle as their endervors. As most on here like to embarked in constant bashing and denigration of one another, I suppose mine is indeed set on the racial aspects of debates which does not proclure to be any lack of identity or issue on my part, but rather indeed much embrace for the multitude of all and much identity there is of my being me. That is where your true color to derogate one's race and ethnicity as bieng lesser human comes to play.

Indeed, most Black African descent people in the US who sees a person of color more often than not just see them as Black, unless they are outspokenly have something of pure evidence to tell them otherwise. Whereas a White person, no matter how closer light skin you are to them or just half mixed still see one as either simply Black or colored as well and never as white like themselves. Indeed with that premise I rest my case. So, why Dominicans like to claim they are all kinds of flattered races or ethnicities as you put it "rich array of colors and races" (not to say that it is not true) before they can accept or not to ever accept being of African leneage or even as people of color is in fact a mind sickness and an identity issue instilled by Europeans who have made the world to derogate all that is of color darker than the White skin of race. The same goes for someone who will say that just because I talk about racial issues means I have "Identity Issue" could not have been so far from the truth. In fact when one denies bieng of or abstain from a certain racial leneage by accpeting all others before the ones they resent and like to defame is the one exact proof of self-loathing and dientity issue indeed. Not hte other way around.

As I see things, you're experiencing, like many african americans that come to our shores, a cultural shock, because you're unable to comprehend our reasons for NOT accepting the cursed one drop rule. Worse, you're seeing our refusal to accept it as an insult to african americans or any other african community in general, asking yourself: How dare they?. Can't you just accept the fact that this cursed pseudoscientific crap will never take hold in the dominican psyche?

Indeed it may never take hold, but it does not constitute to be justifiably right regardless of whom would like to view it from any standing point. Again may the words you have used in this small excerp be of self judging matter.

"""""No es asi de simple, Afrolatino. I view racial purity as something very sacred, that only happens once, when the bloodline got mixed, it's mixed and there is nothing that can be done about it but dilluting it to the point where your descendant is 99%+ percent that race. You don't belong to the black race because the genuine black race(Negroid)is something like Mugabe and Mandela with the shiny face and yellow sclera rather than Will Smith and Tyra Banks looking mofos. Many Ethiopians, Egyptians and Sudanese are of mixed Moorish/Negrid lineage, which explains the rather normal-looking noses they now posess and suggests that they are mutts. In conclusion, Johnny Ventura, David Ortiz and Pena gomez are technically black. Milly Quezada, Hector Acosta and Manny Ramirez aren't more than Eurafrican mutts""""""




true. thats right gangsta. im a proud eurafrican mutt LoL

"""""No es asi de simple, Afrolatino. I view racial purity as something very sacred, that only happens once, when the bloodline got mixed, it's mixed and there is nothing that can be done about it but dilluting it to the point where your descendant is 99%+ percent that race. You don't belong to the black race because the genuine black race(Negroid)is something like Mugabe and Mandela with the shiny face and yellow sclera rather than Will Smith and Tyra Banks looking mofos. Many Ethiopians, Egyptians and Sudanese are of mixed Moorish/Negrid lineage, which explains the rather normal-looking noses they now posess and suggests that they are mutts. In conclusion, Johnny Ventura, David Ortiz and Pena gomez are technically black. Milly Quezada, Hector Acosta and Manny Ramirez aren't more than Eurafrican mutts""""""




true. thats right gangsta. im a proud eurafrican mutt LoL

Duh yourself, I went much further than that. I just laid out all pertinent facts and I see you've managed to apply your own biased Afrocentric viewpoint with a dash of your self-identification confusion/complexes.
What LatinAmerican country uses the 'colored' label? Why are you using foreign ethnoracial labels (USA & S. Africa?) on DR? It is you who did selective reading, did you skip over the fact that Dominicans do not=a single race/color, so why are you:
a) Generalizing the entire population of a nation by calling them 'colored or Negros'
b) Mocking their self-identification because they don't fit into your distorted definition.

I'd like to hear from some Haitians on this forum, I've never heard of a Haitian being considered Latino or even self-identifying as such. I have no idea what you're trying to say in the rest of your post.