Jean Jacques Dessalines: Slaughter of whites & Toussaint Louverture - Santo Domingo

#142 - Posted 16 April 2009, 12:02 PM
Lautaro Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4955	RE: Jean Jacques Dessalines: Slaughter of whites Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: Manhattanite previously said: Poverty under your countrymen is not worse than slavery under racial supremacists. Also Haiti's condition today is not a direct result of events 200 years ago. You do not have to go too far back into the 20th C. to find a saner, more orderly Haiti, even if it was still poor. Once again I ask that we not let the provocations of the Dessalines fan club force us into condemning brutalized slaves taking care of business on their own turf. I don't think our beef should be with their revolution but with the destructive decision to interfere in our side in such a bloody manner. Caonabo I had said you face an uphill battle, but honestly you are digging yourself deeper into a trench. If there is any historian in the universe who can convince Dominicans to respect this Dessalines you must accept that it isn't you on this forum. Right now all you are inspiring is more dislike of your nation's revolutionary history by arguing we should admire this guy who to us represents the dark side of that history. Manny, I thoroughly respect the Haitian Revolution and hold some of the figures it produced in reverance. Contrary to many Dominicans I revere the figure of Touissant for I respect what the man accomplished and his goals. With that said I know damn well who Dessalines was and as such I will continue, until the end of my days, refer to his person as a butcher and murderer for those are fitting epitaphs for the likes of him. And you are quite correct about early 20th century Haiti, As a matter of fact US controlled Puerto Rico had a higher poverty rate in the early 30s, after nearly four decades of American tutlegae, than that of Haiti in the same era. It just goes to show that it's true what some people say about the victors being the ones which write history. Had Toussaint prevailed, they'd be singing a whole different tune, I'm sure. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince
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RE: Jean Jacques Dessalines: Slaughter of whites

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generoso previously said:

Lautaro:
The sad thing about their contaminated black supremacists thoughts trying to justify the genocide on the eastern part of Saint Domingue, is now beside claiming our "ignorance of the real motives", and we "do not understand the dangers that the Haitian revolution was facing", so that in their minds justifies........
'THE SLAUGHTERING OF THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS OF THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE ISLAND
EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE WOMEN AND CHILDREN "JUST IN CASE" was justified because after
all they could have bred more men that could have become soldiers and hurt their "glorious" revolution.
Incredible, just incredible, the warped mindset. We even have a failed boring half Haitian poet posting similar garbage.

All European conquerers (invaders such as Spain, France, Great Britain, Italy and Portugal) killed and committed more worse atrocities and were doing it just because with no cause, yet I have not once seen any Dominicans in here demonize them for their epics of killings around the world. Those same Europeans who anahilate ethnic races to extinctions and more...

#141 - Posted 16 April 2009, 11:56 AM
generoso Location: United States, Quisqueya La Bella Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 5718	RE: Jean Jacques Dessalines: Slaughter of whites Lautaro: The sad thing about their contaminated black supremacists thoughts trying to justify the genocide on the eastern part of Saint Domingue, is now beside claiming our "ignorance of the real motives", and we "do not understand the dangers that the Haitian revolution was facing", so that in their minds justifies........ 'THE SLAUGHTERING OF THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS OF THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE ISLAND EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE WOMEN AND CHILDREN "JUST IN CASE" was justified because after all they could have bred more men that could have become soldiers and hurt their "glorious" revolution. Incredible, just incredible, the warped mindset. We even have a failed boring half Haitian poet posting similar garbage. Edited on 4/16/2009 11:56 AM by generoso. "United by purpose, bound by honor", La Hermandad.
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#143 - Posted 16 April 2009, 12:13 PM
AfroLatino Location: Dominican Republic, La Union Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1028 Posts: 1284	RE: Jean Jacques Dessalines: Slaughter of whites Quote: generoso previously said: Lautaro: The sad thing about their contaminated black supremacists thoughts trying to justify the genocide on the eastern part of Saint Domingue, is now beside claiming our "ignorance of the real motives", and we "do not understand the dangers that the Haitian revolution was facing", so that in their minds justifies........ 'THE SLAUGHTERING OF THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS OF THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE ISLAND EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE WOMEN AND CHILDREN "JUST IN CASE" was justified because after all they could have bred more men that could have become soldiers and hurt their "glorious" revolution. Incredible, just incredible, the warped mindset. We even have a failed boring half Haitian poet posting similar garbage. All European conquerers (invaders such as Spain, France, Great Britain, Italy and Portugal) killed and committed more worse atrocities and were doing it just because with no cause, yet I have not once seen any Dominicans in here demonize them for their epics of killings around the world. Those same Europeans who anahilate ethnic races to extinctions and more...
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#144 - Posted 16 April 2009, 1:19 PM
Manhattanite Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 336 Posts: 1692	RE: Jean Jacques Dessalines: Slaughter of whites Quote: AfroLatino previously said: All European conquerers (invaders such as Spain, France, Great Britain, Italy and Portugal) killed and committed more worse atrocities and were doing it just because with no cause, yet I have not once seen any Dominicans in here demonize them for their epics of killings around the world. Those same Europeans who anahilate ethnic races to extinctions and more... You have not seen it because as I told you, you do not read our posts. Not once? Nobody? This is a lie. http://englishquisqueya.ning.com
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#145 - Posted 16 April 2009, 1:21 PM
cibaeño75 Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 4098	RE: Jean Jacques Dessalines: Slaughter of whites Quote: Manhattanite previously said: Quote: AfroLatino previously said: All European conquerers (invaders such as Spain, France, Great Britain, Italy and Portugal) killed and committed more worse atrocities and were doing it just because with no cause, yet I have not once seen any Dominicans in here demonize them for their epics of killings around the world. Those same Europeans who anahilate ethnic races to extinctions and more... You have not seen it because as I told you, you do not read our posts. Not once? Nobody? This is a lie. Exactly. "Don't ask me who's influenced me. A lion is made up of the lambs he's digested, and I've been reading all my life."-Charles de Gaulle
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#146 - Posted 16 April 2009, 1:26 PM
joblitsky Location: United States Join date: December 2008 Member #: 1813 Posts: 231	RE: Jean Jacques Dessalines: Slaughter of whites Quote: AfroLatino previously said: All European conquerers (invaders such as Spain, France, Great Britain, Italy and Portugal) killed and committed more worse atrocities and were doing it just because with no cause, yet I have not once seen any Dominicans in here demonize them for their epics of killings around the world. Those same Europeans who anahilate ethnic races to extinctions and more... Those atrocities commited by the European powers are disgusting aren't they? I agree but what I find interesting is that you point to a greater more sinister example as if to down play or justify the actions of Dessalines. You're post is just plain finger pointing as if to try and distract from the main topic at hand. Murdering innocent people for whatever reason is disgusting, simple as that. Edited on 4/16/2009 1:28 PM by joblitsky.
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#147 - Posted 16 April 2009, 1:31 PM
cibaeño75 Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 4098	RE: Jean Jacques Dessalines: Slaughter of whites Quote: joblitsky previously said: Quote: AfroLatino previously said: All European conquerers (invaders such as Spain, France, Great Britain, Italy and Portugal) killed and committed more worse atrocities and were doing it just because with no cause, yet I have not once seen any Dominicans in here demonize them for their epics of killings around the world. Those same Europeans who anahilate ethnic races to extinctions and more... Those atrocities commited by the European powers are disgusting aren't they? I agree but what I find interesting is that you point to a greater more sinister example as if to down play or justify the actions of Dessalines. You're post is just plain finger pointing as if to try and distract from the main topic at hand. Murdering innocent people for whatever reason is disgusting, simple as that. Bottom goddamn line. "Don't ask me who's influenced me. A lion is made up of the lambs he's digested, and I've been reading all my life."-Charles de Gaulle
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#148 - Posted 16 April 2009, 1:46 PM
AfroLatino Location: Dominican Republic, La Union Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1028 Posts: 1284	RE: Jean Jacques Dessalines: Slaughter of whites Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Bottom goddamn line. So how come with all the defaming threads many of you have started denigrading other nations' forfathers such as principally of those that of Haiti, yet why none/ zero/ ziltch threads have been errected to expose for the evil deeds of Europeans like or such as of Spain, France, Great Britain, Italy and Portugal for their atrocities around the world? Rather instead having thier leneage is adored, glorified and embraced while making a pariah of the African leneage? Or is for most Dominicans guilt, resentment and ethnic loathing of everything thatis African and black also the bottom goddamn line for that as well while making the ways of those Europeans the divine supreme above all, justifiable?
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#149 - Posted 16 April 2009, 2:07 PM
cibaeño75 Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 4098	RE: Jean Jacques Dessalines: Slaughter of whites Quote: AfroLatino previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Bottom goddamn line. So how come with all the defaming threads many of you have started denigrading other nations' forfathers such as principally of those that of Haiti, yet why none/ zero/ ziltch threads have been errected to expose for the evil deeds of Europeans like or such as of Spain, France, Great Britain, Italy and Portugal for their atrocities around the world? Rather instead having thier leneage is adored, glorified and embraced while making a pariah of the African leneage? Or is for most Dominicans guilt, resentment and ethnic loathing of everything thatis African and black also the bottom goddamn line for that as well while making the ways of those Europeans the divine supreme above all, justifiable? Again, you only read what you want. If you were to follow my posts you would see that I'm no freind of Spain and that I have denounced her atrocities time and again. "Don't ask me who's influenced me. A lion is made up of the lambs he's digested, and I've been reading all my life."-Charles de Gaulle
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#150 - Posted 16 April 2009, 2:16 PM
AfroLatino Location: Dominican Republic, La Union Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1028 Posts: 1284	RE: Jean Jacques Dessalines: Slaughter of whites Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Again, you only read what you want. If you were to follow my posts you would see that I'm no freind of Spain and that I have denounced her atrocities time and again. Well, I would not be the only person to be accused of "selective reading" on here since many of us seem to be doing a lot of that in here quite so often so eager to try to disclaim one another on many issues placing blames. However, I would say you are the one and the first to have ever done so denouncing Euro-Spania' evil deeds as one of the Europrean packs of whores that she is. Edited on 4/16/2009 2:17 PM by AfroLatino.
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