It just goes to show that it's true what some people say about the victors being the ones which write history. Had Toussaint prevailed, they'd be singing a whole different tune, I'm sure.

All European conquerers (invaders such as Spain, France, Great Britain, Italy and Portugal) killed and committed more worse atrocities and were doing it just because with no cause, yet I have not once seen any Dominicans in here demonize them for their epics of killings around the world. Those same Europeans who anahilate ethnic races to extinctions and more...

You have not seen it because as I told you, you do not read our posts. Not once? Nobody? This is a lie.

Exactly.

Those atrocities commited by the European powers are disgusting aren't they? I agree but what I find interesting is that you point to a greater more sinister example as if to down play or justify the actions of Dessalines. You're post is just plain finger pointing as if to try and distract from the main topic at hand.

Murdering innocent people for whatever reason is disgusting, simple as that.

Bottom goddamn line.

So how come with all the defaming threads many of you have started denigrading other nations' forfathers such as principally of those that of Haiti, yet why none/ zero/ ziltch threads have been errected to expose for the evil deeds of Europeans like or such as of Spain, France, Great Britain, Italy and Portugal for their atrocities around the world? Rather instead having thier leneage is adored, glorified and embraced while making a pariah of the African leneage? Or is for most Dominicans guilt, resentment and ethnic loathing of everything thatis African and black also the bottom goddamn line for that as well while making the ways of those Europeans the divine supreme above all, justifiable?

Again, you only read what you want. If you were to follow my posts you would see that I'm no freind of Spain and that I have denounced her atrocities time and again.

Well, I would not be the only person to be accused of "selective reading" on here since many of us seem to be doing a lot of that in here quite so often so eager to try to disclaim one another on many issues placing blames. However, I would say you are the one and the first to have ever done so denouncing Euro-Spania' evil deeds as one of the Europrean packs of whores that she is.

Manny,
I am not a historian and not pretending to be either. I am looking at the past events from the standpoint of the masses for Liberation and Independence at a basic common sense level. I am not trying to convince Dominicans to respect Dessalines but speak out about what he stood firmly for in terms of Liberation, Independence and Freedom for the masses. Some of the posters here are exclusively concerned about what happened to their white ancestors, a very narrow-minded and selfish view of extraordinary events at the time. I do not condone oppression, repression or killing of masses, or hurting children and women, at any time, past, present or future, never. The question is Was our REAL FEAR of a resurgent campaign to take back Haiti by France or Spain justified? Dessalines's campaign put an end to slavery there and also weakened the pro-Spain royalists in the eastern part. This was a class war. Could there have been collateral damage whereby unintended casualties occurred? Very likely. I would differenciate those from how the pro-Spain royalists -here we are talking about the big wigs- were dealt with.
The problem is the way some pseudo-historians with the Dominican elite have packaged the whole thing in a very biased way and have disseminated a very narrow-minded and racist view, They have served that to the Dominican masses from generation to generation till today creating hatred, hostilities, negative attitudes not simply toward Dessalines, the Father of the Haitian Nation, but to all poor Haitians including the Haitian Immigrant Workers in the DR. How hypocritical! While they are doing that, they have organized the most elaborate network of smugglers/brokers to recruit hundreds of thousands of Haitians in Haiti to be smuggled to the DR to replenish the cheap labor supply/pool to create their wealth through the most vicious form of exploitation.
The tactics used have been to frame the whole issue as a Dominicans against Haitians thing. You are either pro-Dominican or pro-Haitian, just like that. That's basically scientifically false. We cannot look at Dominicans in general as we cannot look at Haitians in general. There are classes in the DR as much as there are in Haiti. The poor Dominican and Haitian workers and peasants have way much more in common with each other than with their respective oppressors and exploiters, the Dominican and Haitian elite. They are as we say in Haiti, "milk and lemon" . You may already know what happens when you mix the two alone. It is to their own detriment for the oppressed to look at history with the same narrow minded, selfish and racist lens as their oppressors and exploiters. Once the Dominican masses are able to differenciate and liberate themselves from the stranglehold of the Dominican elite in their view of events, they will be in a much better position to identify who the real enemies are.