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#971 - Posted 5 January 2011, 11:20 AM
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This thread is full of hypocrites.

Dessalines fought a liberation war for his folks, he also killed many of them (many haitians) when he was under the French flag (i.e. under Leclerc). This is the main reason why he is praised (Liberation from the French) and not because he killed (his army: blacks and mulattoes) less than 4000 French.

He learnt from Toussaint' errors who fought for the french to keep the colony (against Spain and England) but was jailed like a dog in a French jail.

The first slaughter of white folks in la Hispaniola was fulffilled by the Cacique Caonabo and his men, who killed the 40 spaniards left by Colombus, in the city La Navidad (actual Haiti)

If you read Carlos Esteban Deive (Los Guerrilleros Negros), he would tell you that Enriquillo the native Taino cacique used to kill all the spanish he met (man, woman) before he agreed a treaty of peace with them.

He also used to kill any native taino who preferred slavery (staying with their spanish master) than freedom. ALL the TAINOS MAROONS caciques acted like him.

But these racist hypocrites uncle tom, will never tell that Enriquillo was like hitler or other stupidities like that.

One thing is sure though spanish killed so much native indians in la hispaniola that they were obliged to fulffill many slave hunting in the neighbouring islands and in the neighbour coasts of south america. This fact explain the Native indian ancestry in the DR.

They were obliged to import new indians slaves in Cuba,La Hispaniola y Puerto Rico : See new edition of José Antonio Saco's book " Historia de la esclavitud" chapter 26==> I found it Madrid

Spanish killed MILLIONS of coloured people : Native Indian and Africans

But some uncle tom will never use the term "Hitler" or "Nazi" against them. Is it a joke ???

Trujillo himself killed more dominicans than any haitians, plus he killed more civilians (40000) than Dessalines ( less than 4000 men).

The big difference :

- Trujillo waged a racial war against any people black on the west border : Haitians and Dominicans
- Dessalines waged a war against the "FRENCH" , and not against the white "race" : he saved many french (men, women : for his interest of course) and gave them the Haitian nationality, along with some polish, english, german ( See Gaspard Theodore Mollien : Haiti ou Saint Domingue Tome II). His soldiers did'nt killed all the white folks in Haiti. The best testimony of that relies on the fact that Mollien came in haiti in 1824 et collected testimonies from white and black folks

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#972 - Posted 5 January 2011, 11:24 AM
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The same stupidity/racism found in a Puerto - Rican website, just replaced by Dominicans instead of Haitians:

"Los Afro- dominicanos
Estoy muy dispuesto a darles las gracias si ud se atreve a leer mis documentales que no contienen pamplinas sino los hechos reales de lo que ocurre en la sociedad Borincana…En mis documentales UD aprenderá que la alta jerarquía del periódico El Nuevo DIA son Dominicanos..


Los –afro Dominicanos están acabando con PR y los Barrios de boricuas de los EUA, la verdad que yo no les tengo pena porque esa rasa en mayoría son satánicos y cuando llegan a PR se quieren tragar a los Boricuas sin aceite...La inmensa mayoría de los Dominicanos que se encuentran en PR y en los EUA son personas que los Boricuas que viven en las costas playeras de PR, muchos se dedican al trafico de estos indocumentados y a la droga que traen de Santo Domingo...

Miles de miles de estas bestias Afro-Dominicanas se encuentran en PR ilegalmente y son protegidos por los populares porque estos Dominicanos se prestan para fastidiar a PR y verlo jodio con un estado libre asociado que el mismo gobierno de Santo Domingo no reconoce…La inmensa mayoría de estos ilegales no son pobres ni tampoco son perseguidos por el gobierno Dominicano, allá en Santo Domingo ellos oyen decir lo viciosos que son la mayoría de las juventudes Boricuas y venden todo en su país y llegan a PR ilegalmente pero con los brazos abiertos a venderles droga a las juventudes Borincanas , y la salida de Santo Domingo a PR les cuesta mas de 5,000 dólares así es que no estamos hablando de gente pobre sino de bestias Dominicanas que vienen sonado con vender mucha droga para tener mucho dinero y poder comprarse una mujer blanca Borincana….

Y con el mismo dinero de la venta de la droga enseguida compran supermercados y otros negocios aquí en PR y en los Barrios de Boricuas de los EUA, estas bestias se mezclan en la sociedad Boricua y después controlan todo, y hasta las barberías y salones de belleza pertenecen a las bestias dominicanos ...Yo las descubro y las ataco por todas partes pero con un solo granito de arena nunca se llenara el Bolsillo, y mientras hayan Boricuas, que los hay por montones que por 300 dólares llevan a los indocumentados a los aeropuertos ,y después son estos mismas bestia Dominicanas los que le causan problemas Alos Boricuas que duermen de un solo lado y los dominicanos les están quitando los negocios y en algunos casos hasta las mujeres, muchos de estos casos suceden con los orgullosos y patriotas Boricuas de NY que permitieron que los Dominicanos votaran en contra del Señor Ferrer/..Eso si es un bochorno para los patriotas NuyorkRican que de tanto orgullo se tragan la bandera de PR

En PR estos indocumentados están comprando casi todas las gasolineras y otros negocios ,y el gobierno popular no los para porque ellos votan por el PPd un 95% para aguantar el ELA, mientras que ellos se enriquecen el pueblo Boriqua sufre la agonía de ver su juventudes sumida hasta el tuétano en la droga y la criminalidad. Los llamados patriotas Boricuas están pendientes a criticar a todos aquellos que se atrevan a decir la verdad sobre la sociedad Borincana...

Nueva York que se supone que hay mas de dos millones de echones patriotas Boricuas que era para verle dado todos el voto al señor Ferrer, y sin embargo las bestias Dominicanas que están en NY gracias a la estupidez de los Borincanos todos les votaron en contra al Señor Ferrer y los Boricuas se cruzaron de brazos …Yo espero que si los NuyorkRican en verdad son patriotas como se las echan en las paradas de NY no se atrevan a presentar la ensangrentada y endrogada bandera de PR por las calles de NY…En NY los Dominicanos están haciendo lo que les da la gana con los boricuas de NY ,y hasta algunos negociantes Boricuas han perdido el negocio y la mujer con las bestias Dominicanas..Yo me expreso así a ver si los Boricuas que se las echan de patriotas hacen algo por la patria...

En la florida Central como Orlando ,los grandes supermercados de millones de dólares son de Dominicano ,y en esos negocios los clientes no son Dominicanos Son patriotas Boricuas que llegan a los negocios de los dominicanos alzando la bandera de PR ,muy orgulloso de ser Boricua pero el Dominicano le vende de todo incluyendo la droga en la cual se suplen las juventudes Borinqueñas,,Los grandes negociantes Dominicanos en su país de anos venden esos negocios y se llevan millones de dólares a nombre de la podrida sociedad Borincana…YO no soy racista en contra de las personas decentes, no importa el color , pero soy un verdadero racista de los bandoleros que le venden droga y engañan a las juventudes Borincanas…Yo se y todo el mundo lo sabe que los moderadores son de la izquierda popular, y aquellos como yo que tenemos el valor de escribir la verdad, ellos tratan de eliminarlos del (PuertoRico com) Mis criticas apuntan directamente en contra del patriotismo falso de la inmensa mayoría de los Borincanos que nos las echamos de mucho patriotismo y sin embargo las bestias Dominicanas están destruyendo unidos a los mafiosos Boricuas a las Juventudes Borincanas ..

Para la inmensa mayoría de los Boricuas yo soy un autor malo por causa de las verdes en mis documentales ,pero no se dan de cuenta que las bestias Dominicana odian al Boricua de corazón y poco a poquito nos van controlando a nuestras juventudes con las drogas y el dinero, Le es mas fácil a un nacionalista sin conciencia atacar mis verdades que aceptar la realidad de que si no cuidamos a nuestra juventudes con una y diente no tendremos sanas y buenas futuras generaciones de Boricuas….Son los mismos Boricuas combinados con el brutal y mentiroso sistema político que ha desmoralizado a la sociedad Boricua al punto que ya la inmensa mayoría de las madres no saben como criar los hijos hoy en DIA ,porque la maldad es grande y perversas a nadie le importa el futuro de las juventudes Borincanas , y lo mas triste de toda esta agonía es que un 90% de los Boricuas ponen por encima el orgullo de ser Boricua y Patriota y usan estos lemas como algo grande y bueno para así poder cubrir la gran agonía causada por unos miserables e hipócritas políticos .Sabia UD que los grandes genios del periódico El Nuevo DIA son Dominicanos?

Y la filosofía de estos Dominicano es ayudar al PPD a mantener la patraña política del ELA, y esa es una de las razones que Ferre Rancel traiciono el Ideal de la Estadidad...PR esta controlado por las bestias Dominicanas y tambien los barrios de Boricuas de los EUA, y sin embargo la inmensa mayoria de los Boricuas no creen en la verdad y es por eso de tanto orgullo de ser Boricua no les permite ver la realidad que las bestias Dominicanos nos estan comiendo vivos.
Gracias "

http://www.puertorico.com/forums/open-board/20001-los-afro-dominicanos.html



Wow. brutal. Writes just like PEPE. LOL.
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#973 - Posted 5 January 2011, 11:41 AM
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Attn: Nehesy ,

Please be advised that your posts are chockfull of your own opinionated bs on DR culture, historical events and figures. If no one has yet bothered to dissect your posts to debunk, refute and expose all of the revisionism, coflating, and pure unadulterated bs claims you'vemade is because this has been done over and over again with each new 'crypto-Haitian' or Haitinocentric tom, dick and harry that has come along (check hundreds of prior posts), or better yet look up posters such as Lautaro, Cibaeno, Manhattanite/HateroPardo, Generoso, and a host of others.
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All I wrote here is found on the books I ALWAYS put as references, on Dominican History I ONLY REFERRED to Cuban, Dominican or Puerto Ricans Historians ( José Antonio Saco, Moya Pons, Deive, Andujar, Dominquez, Cambeira, Dias Soler) , for Haitian/French Drama I quoted French and Caribbeans Historians : Gaspard Theodore Mollien, Laurent Dubois, CLR James.

All these books are in my possession, so I challenge anyone to say that it was not on the books I gave as references...

Just check the books I quoted all over this website and you'll see who are the revionists or not....

And for the 1000 000 times I'm not Haitian, just a tourist who happened to visit a wonderful and nice country but who is leading to racial extremism... SAD...

One last thing, Carlos Esteban Deive wrote in his book " Los Guerrilleros negros" p38 about Enriquillo :

" ...Enriquillo asalto la estancia de san Miguel en Yaquimo, mato varios indios de paz, capturo indias y ahorco un nino de tres anos..."

Truth only thruth, and you guys don't like it because you're brainwashed, in this same book he tells that spanish in la Hispaniola feared so much the Ladinos ( africans born or raised in spain) because as soon as 1502 they revolted and joined the Indians, that they choose to import Bozales which means African born people as slaves from Cabo Verde and Guinea.

I BOUGHT THIS BOOK IN SANTO DOMINGO....SO YOU CAN FIND IT TOO
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#975 - Posted 15 January 2011, 9:15 AM
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Ruth Ocumarez & Wyclef Jean

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P3PJ-R1qZo&ob=av2em
Edited on 10/15/2011 10:44 PM by Nehesy.
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Anybody that mercilessly kills and tortures innocent people is an animal, sub-human. It does not matter if it was Dessalines, Trujillo, Hitler, Stalin, Kim Jong-il or Pol Pot. Murder is murder and wrong is wrong. These brutal crimes are even MORE disgusting when the motive stems from the twisted mentality of a person who thinks that somehow other people are inferior. In the end, God will judge, and those who did not show mercy shall not be shown any, and those who were merciful shall be shown mercy.
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Anybody that mercilessly kills and tortures innocent people is an animal, sub-human. It does not matter if it was Dessalines, Trujillo, Hitler, Stalin, Kim Jong-il or Pol Pot. Murder is murder and wrong is wrong. These brutal crimes are even MORE disgusting when the motive stems from the twisted mentality of a person who thinks that somehow other people are inferior. In the end, God will judge, and those who did not show mercy shall not be shown any, and those who were merciful shall be shown mercy.


You have repented your evil ways? Afro-Latino?
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Haitians are fucking pigs. period.


And yet by your comments you show that YOU are the one wallowing in filth. Not only do you disrespect Haitians, but you also disrespect Dominicans because you CLAIM to be such. But out of EVERYBODY that I know from Moca to Bavaro, none of my people (very good friends) have your twisted, bias, racist mentality towards Haitians. Sin verguenza
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@Nehesy - You can even quote facts and figures from books that THEY own themselves lol, but if your opinion or comments are even SEEMINGLY not in agreement to what they think you become 'anti-Dominican' or 'pro-Haitian'. Unfortunately logic and reason are not allowed to breath and live in this forum where so many have this 'syth-Lord' ("only a Sith deals in absolutes" if you remember the quote) mentality. They prevent themselves from reasoning or even THINKING if what you say does not align with their own version of truth and reality. You can't say something balanced like "there are murderers in Haiti, the Dominican Republic and EVERYWHERE else". Nope. For some on this site your comments can not even be a statment of FACT if that fact is deemed potentially a 'negative' against the Dominican Republic even IF your motive is only speaking facts and supporting a point. I have posted MANY things positive and upbuilding towards the Dominican Republic, but because my stance is not neither only pro-Dominican or pro-Haitian or really pro-(insert any Nation) I am viewed as a closet afro-centrist or my favorite....'afro-nazi' (lol). You can not reason with unreasonable people. Take ateo2010 for example, he will be the first to act like he is so reasonable minded and balanced but soon as the topic switches to Haitians he will be the FIRST to call them something demeaning like 'apes' or 'swine' etc. So, as long as you maintain a neutral posture, you will always be viewed suspiciously.
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