| #1 - Posted 16 October 2009, 9:08 AM | |
Location: United States, Naples, Florida Join date: May 2008 Member #: 829 Posts: 122 | ...and the legal name of the island is: What? Is it "Hispaniola"? NO! Is it "Haiti"? NO! Is it "Santo Domingo"? YES! Yet first, Haiti has to be brought to the table to talk... or else! When referring to the island of Santo Domingo, many people are not sure about the name of the island and even more so are countries around the world and organizations like the United Nations and its regional Organization of American States (OAS). We have sent a letter of concern regarding this issue, which origin is that the owners of the island claim a different name each in their constitutions since their corresponding independence date: "Haiti" and "Santo Domingo". This conflicting factor created a third name by other countries, specifically the United States, which named the island "Hispaniola" until Haiti and the Dominican republic agree on one single name for the island. Why we claim that the name of the island is Santo Domingo? First, the reason why Duarte and the Trinitarians denominated the new nation as "Dominican Republic" was because they claimed that the name of the island should be recognized as the Island of Santo Domingo, not Haiti, thus the new nation would not bear the denomination of "Haitian Republic". The UN and OAS should revise the bilateral treaties between these two nations and notice which has been the name utilized for the island in them. They have no records about this whatsoever??!! Haiti must comply with the treaties and change the name of the island in their constitution. That will resolve a lot of issues, including, but not limited to, the real identity of Dominicans occupying the Eastern Part of the island, since Haiti would also become another "Dominican republic". The word "Dominican" for this purpose will include citizens of both the Dominican Republic of Haiti or Republic of Haiti and the Dominican Republic of.... (Sorry, no name yet selected). The national identity of the people of Haiti is that of "Haitians" The national identity of the people of the other nation sharing the island is: "....." (Legally unknown yet) That's why we are insisting in the name and identity that the Trinitarians and Restoration Patriots of the independence gave to the nation of "Quisqueya" and "Quisqueyans", as the basic principle upon which Haiti would accept that the name of the island is Santo Domingo. We refuse to be called Haitians. Haitians refuse to be called Dominicans. That is a fact! By being both Dominicans (regionally), but with definite different national identity (Haitians and Quisqueyans), this could be a sound, simple and logical solution. And the world will be one! (see more at http://www.quisqueya.name) Edited on 12/23/2009 10:12 AM by CONSTITUCION. |
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| #2 - Posted 16 October 2009, 9:59 AM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 5911 | RE: ...and the legal name of the island is: What? "By being both Dominicans (regionally), but with definite different national identity (Haitians and Quisqueyans), this could be a sound, simple and logical solution." That is tantamount to one of the most asinine proposals I've ever heard. "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill |
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| #3 - Posted 16 October 2009, 1:13 PM | |
Location: United States, Naples, Florida Join date: May 2008 Member #: 829 Posts: 122 | RE: ...and the legal name of the island is: What? Cibaeño75, ten years ago I would most probably call ideas like this one very, extremely foolish, because then the only way of thinking for me was to follow the trend, the status quo, the lies on top of lies. Now I have mature (which was a process since my teenage years) to know the difference between reality, hidden truth, conceptual thinking and educational mess. Call it what you want. I am confident that years of research will win over forced status quo. Quisqueya will be the name of what today is just denominated as Dominican Republic. |
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| #4 - Posted 16 October 2009, 1:34 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 5911 | RE: ...and the legal name of the island is: What? Quote: CONSTITUCION previously said: Cibaeño75, ten years ago I would most probably call ideas like this one very, extremely foolish, because then the only way of thinking for me was to follow the trend, the status quo, the lies on top of lies. Now I have mature (which was a process since my teenage years) to know the difference between reality, hidden truth, conceptual thinking and educational mess. Call it what you want. I am confident that years of research will win over forced status quo. Quisqueya will be the name of what today is just denominated as Dominican Republic. Any proposal where Haitians would be categorized as "Dominicans" through some legalistic manuevers will NEVER recieve the support of the Dominican populace (or the Haitian for that matter), both domestic and abroad. Of that I myself am confident. You need to tweek you proposal a little more if you ever want it to catch any wind. "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill |
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| #5 - Posted 17 October 2009, 11:08 AM | |
Location: United States, Naples, Florida Join date: May 2008 Member #: 829 Posts: 122 | RE: ...and the legal name of the island is: What? The idea is just to state clearly the truth of what we are without fearing being discriminated or ridiculed. Our national identity is not "Dominican" and it is not for Haitians either. We don't have a legal national identity yet! Our National Anthem mentions that national identity as Quisqueyans. That's what we are. Why it is not yet inscribed in our Constitution? The solution to a great deal of issues with our neighbors resides on the following statements: 1) The name of our country is: DOMINICAN REPUBLIC OF QUISQUEYA 2) Our national identity is that of QUISQUEYANS 3) The name of the island we share with the Republic of Haiti is the Island of Santo Domingo 4) The Constitution of Haiti must change the name they have for the island to match ours. When this happens, the word "Dominican" will only be used by the people of the Island of Dominique and the missionaries and nuns of the religious Order of Santo Domingo. Haitians will be Haitians from the Republic of Haiti Quisqueyans will be Quisqueyans from the Dominican Republic of Quisqueya or just Quisqueya. Venezuelans, Chileans, Cubans or any other country in this continent don't use American as a national identity. Why should Haitians or Quisqueyans use the Dominican adjective as identity? No use for it in the future. One more generation and it will disappear from our culture, with happy and sad memories that lasted hundred of years. We're not looking for simphaty or fans. We're looking for serious supporters of our theory, without prejudice. Edited on 10/17/2009 11:09 AM by CONSTITUCION. |
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| #6 - Posted 22 October 2009, 2:26 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: August 2009 Member #: 3397 Posts: 93 | RE: ...and the legal name of the island is: What? "La Republica Dominicana" sounds beautiful and is enjoyable to say as it rolls off the tongue. "Quisqueya" is more appropriate and has my vote, I don't like columbus & the spanish invaders. But in my gringo heart it will always be affectionatly known as "Bizarro World" (rule #1, there are no rules) |
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| #7 - Posted 19 December 2009, 5:20 PM | |
Location: Canada Join date: May 2009 Member #: 2645 Posts: 849 | RE: ...and the legal name of the island is: What? "Our national identity is that of QUISQUEYANS" However ours from the Western part of the island has always been since January first 1804 : Haitians, Quisqueyans and/or Bohians. Thanks to our illiteracy, we never used the others names, but make no mistake about it brothers, all Haitians know what names the Arrawaks, the Tainos and the Caribs used to call their island. Are you going to tell the Iranian that they are not Persians? or the Birmans that they are not Myanmarian? Or are you going to tell the Californians that they're not Americans? So why you the Dominicans can't be Haitians, Quisqueyans and/or Bohians? The sad truth is once more racism, and a sense of inferiority in the face of the world, if you accept to bears the name of an island rechristianed to its real names by ex african negroes slaves. Furthermore, you want to do away with the Dominican name because a tiny island whose government happens to be black also bears a name that give its citizens the same one you have been carrying throughout centuries. If it was you who conquered the whole island, I wonder how would you have called it guys? And if the Republic of Haiti and the Dominica islanders were blond and blue eyed whites, would you have made that much fuss about renaming your country to a better suitable name? My dear friends, believe me, you can try to fool mankind, yourself included, but you will never be able to fool history and destiny. And this is the reason why empires and kingdom have falled and desintegrated throughout the ages. Do you know what kind of race and people will live on this island a few millenium from now? I guess not. However, it is how you manage your present history that will ensure that your people will be around for thousands of years in the future. Do you know why the Chinese are still around after so many invasions by so many different populations? They have never give a damn' about who they were because it was carved in their state of consciouness. That is the reason why they've been able to swallow every invaders and turned them into Chinese. And history and destiny have proven black on white that every single ethnic group which used to ostracise itself from others, have known a rapid extinction due to population decline, and they finaly disappeared the same way the white Americans are desappearing at an alarming rate. They even forecast that by 2050 they will be a minority in their own country. Therefore, my friends the Dominicans, do you still want to play that little game of uniqueness or will you decide to finally face reality and understand that everything is the survival of the race (people) and not in how its members will be named later. Did the natives of this continent ever have any idea that they would have all be labelled Amerindians a few centuries later? The answer is no, but that hasn't prevent their quasi total anihilation. So, my advice to you is, instead of trying to please the white world (which constantly look down upon you), you better wisen up and stop looking for noon when it is already 2 :00 PM. And you better think about what the future hide for you when the Americans will be replaced by another empire. Or maybe you'll do like the Jews which is : jumping from one World Power back to another, because that's what they've been doing since their first arrival in Egypt ages ago. However, the difference between the Jews and us (Haitians and Dominicans) is that they think long term, and I mean centuries ahead instead of thinking about short term gain the way you're doing. Check this link out and maybe you'll finally understand what is at stake in the whole world and that little island nations do not count anymore. So, you can try whatever you want, it is too late for greatness, for you and us will always be consummers for United States and the other major Western World Powers. http://therealnews.com/t2/component/seyret/?task=videodirectlink&id=5314 Edited on 12/19/2009 7:10 PM by oupala07. |
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| #8 - Posted 20 December 2009, 12:19 AM | |
Location: United States, Naples, Florida Join date: May 2008 Member #: 829 Posts: 122 | RE: ...and the legal name of the island is: What? Dear Haitian in Canada, you went too far off the subject. This is not about discrimination or prejudice against any color skin, to me, there's only one race on Earth: the human race. The reason we're still "Dominicans" is not your fault or blacks or whites or empires or France, or Spain, or the United States of America. It's our fault, because those who governed our country for so many years since our independence in 1844, forgot, or didn't gave a damn to what Haitians proudly did as their first step to their independence: adopted a national identity. Dominican is not our national identity, we're Quisqueyans since 1844. Quisqueya was the name chosen by the people, even though it is not yet in our constitution, yet, our National Anthem spells it loud and clear. Dominican Republic, because it is a republic in the Island of Santo Domingo. Haiti and the government of the Dominican Republic should sit down and discuss this. Should Haiti refuse to change her constitution, the DR should declare Haiti an enemy state! Do you like that? Maybe that would be the only way this and some other issues (immigration, drug traffic, smuggling, etc.) could be resolved. This is a real subject for this generation, not for the next. As an identity for our people the word "Dominican" should be voided, since it is not the proper adjective for "Santo Domingo". It could have been "Santo Domingans", as "Puerto Ricans" is for persons of Puerto Rico. Besides, regional identities are seldom used by individuals. For instance, in this continent called America, except for the people from the United States of America, any one else identifies him or herself as Haitian, Panamanian, Chilean, Venezuelan, etc. They know and we know they are Americans too, but they didn't name their country America. A friend of mine used to say: -"I'm not prejudice, I hate everybody". That applies to me too, but instead of hating, I love everybody. |
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| #9 - Posted 20 December 2009, 12:17 PM | |
Location: Canada Join date: May 2009 Member #: 2645 Posts: 849 | RE: ...and the legal name of the island is: What? "Quisqueya was the name chosen by the people" When we Haitians had decided to rename the island Haiti, there was a reason for that, and it was to renounce for ever to France and the other colonial powers. What was your motive then you have decided to choose Quisqueya instead of Haiti or Bohio? Do you think that keeping us from calling ourselves Quisqueyan or Bohians will stand in an International Court of justice? I must remind you that when you have three golden coins, you don't discard one and throw away the other two. And we Haitians, will never throw away "Haiti", "Quisqueya" and "Bohio", because by renaming the island Haiti we had in the same token taken back all the two remaining names. And being given you were not an independent state in those times, you have no legal ground to contest our claim. As for declaring us to be an enemy nation for that, well that will be your problem, as you know we Haitians know that we have never had real friends in the world. |
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| #10 - Posted 20 December 2009, 12:23 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: February 2008 Member #: 360 Posts: 2749 | RE: ...and the legal name of the island is: What? Cibaeño,could not agree more! Los enemigos de la Patria, por consiguiente nuestros, están todos muy acordes en estas ideas; destruir la nacionalidad aunque para ello sea preciso aniquilar a la Nación entera si vis pacem para bellum |
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