SANTO DOMINGO. – The Foreign Relations minister called the activities and the subsequent report on racism and the rights of minorities, by the United Nations’ special envoys that visited Dominican Republic “a prefabricated stage,” and said it’s no more than a reiteration of the efforts by some sectors which seek to affect the country’s image of democracy and sustained economic growth.
Carlos Morales said “it’s no surprise” the report by the envoys Doudou Diéne and Gay McDougall, as well as their statement that in Dominican Republic there is racism and discrimination against Dominican-Haitians and agaisnt people of African origin.
"It’s no surprise to us that without knowing our reality thoroughly these envoys could raise this diagnosis in just a few days because we know what’s behind it. It’s been a long time since there are bad Dominicans involved in lucrative institutions which have been pitching game for countries or external sectors who compete with the Dominican Republic in areas such as tourism, commerce and investment in diverse branches of the economy," he said.
He also said the report lacks strong evidence and appear to have been drafted by the voices of those "turncoats" who only stand to gain from the situation, and warned that the country isn’t going to tolerate that "anybody can come who wants to judge our laws and our constitution."
"Our border with Haiti has its problems, is our reality and must be understood. It’s important not to confuse national sovereignty with indifference, and not to confuse security with xenophobia," Morales said Dominican Republic’s tradition is to fight for human rights and is proud to compare with any country its record in the issue.
From: Santo Domingo
Mr. Morales Troncoso needs to lean to take truthful commentary from others and make it work for the betterment of the Dom. Rep. He must be forced to eat a large piece of "Humble Pie" by his boss, but that isn't going to happen, at least in my lifetime. The UN reps are correct in their assecessment .
From: BROOKLYN, New York
There's racism against black, the usa, europe, africa itself.... EVERYWHERE in fact.... send your envoys there!
The UN is useless.... Ask any Ugandan about it!
From: union city
they should go to haiti,where all this garbage emanate.
From: Santo Domingo, RD
Now, lets build the Wall to stop the haitians from coming into our country. Because according to this report, dominicans and haitians can not live together. So, we must build be a physical barrier along the border, and start a masive deportation of haitians in order to stop a blood bath. Thank you UN.
From: Washington DC
The RD Gov is paranoid & thus acting defensively. Clearly we know that if the UN really wanted to negatively targeted the RD, it could do so more effectively!
Strangely, RD officials note they will not tolerate "anyone judging its laws". But remember, these same laws & weak judicial & RD Gov processes allow corruption US$130 M Sun Land contract, bank collapse verdicts, PEME corruption without prosecution, police acquittal for using stolen vehicles & DNCD agents drug trafficking!
From: Santo Domingo
The U.N. delegation is going to many places around the world, NOT just the Dominican Republic. It's funny how none of the comments dispute that racism and discrimination are alive and well in the D.R., and not just against Haitians, but against anyone whose skin is deemed "too dark."
From: Santiago, Santiago
Racism exists in EVERY COUNTRY in the world to a degree.
I say to the UN, "Physician, Heal thyself" befpre ma;igning any individual Nation and its soverignty to rule itself through laws promulgated toward that end.
The term, "Useless as teats on a boar hog" come to mind with all the meddling the UN does into the concerns of nations.
This organization has proven itself grossly ineffective in policing the safety of the World.
The UN is the personification of corruption worldwide.
any attempt to ventilate this issue is an exercise in futility. the dominican authorities see it as some sort of sinister international plot: there is a villain behind every rock. it is fabricated by miscreants to sully the good name of the country, and we will not tolerate such bad faith. they want to denigrate this racial utopia in order to destroy tourism, or they just plain do not like us. then you have the carlos francos of the world who inform us that there is racism elsewhere, as if
we didn´t know. leave us the heck alone, he admonishes. then we have the carlos lirianos who place the blame at the doorstep of the haitians: it´s their fault, because they are alive.
and all the other people of african origin, including african american tourists, who have experienced blatanty discriminatory treatment, are the victims of one too many strong drinks,which have impaired their perception. the only clean hands belong to the accused; it´s all conspiratorial malfeasance
From: Santo Domingo.
Troncoso is a gunster,he is holding U.S.A. passport.He is part of The Vichinis, supporting then to keep the Bateyes going.
In Dominican Republic slavery is a fact, discrimination is fact,
Justice doesn´t exist.
The Government is the worst ,we ever had.
We are leaving in helll,the middle of nowhere.The only way to fix the situation is to take the Government to the International Tribunals.
The European Community, The United States and United Nations must take steps.
From: miami florida
build a wall? get rid of all the HAITIANS?
WOW!.... i lived in the puerto plata area for 15 years...
know a little bit about all of this.
whos going to cut the sugar cane? build the homes and buildings?.... dont tell tell me the dominicans PLEASE, PLEASE PLEASE.
THANK YOU ALL
From: Santo Domingo
I've noticed that any article in this on line that talks about Haiti and Haitians generates more comments than the articles about the much more serious issues that our country faces. I guess it is easy to distract the population while you do the really dirty deeds like stealing people's money in the banks not not solving the electrical problem or even having a system to warn people when a really big storm is approaching. Haitians are such a hot button topic and an easy distraction. What a sham
man,oh man, do i feel good today. i read this great posting by juan from santo domingo! now here is a guy who seems to understand things. whenever the haitian issue pops up, the commentary goes on for months. the usual suspects rail on and on, trade barbs and insults and there is a never ending fountainhead of anger and bile. yet when other critical issues which seriously affect the daily life of citizens is addressed, one or two folks offer a comment. no real interest seems to be generated.
the reason is simple. the powers that be and thrie propaganda machinery have done a great job in diverting the attention of people from the day to day bread and butter issues and placed them in something that generates more heat than light, such as the dr-haiti nexus. that way they can steal all they want, make ridiculous and costly decisions which affect the daily lives of the average man and woman, neglect education and health care, protection for the elderly and infirm, and generally screw
everything up. all of this goes on under the radar, while the dominicans and haitians beat each other up, figuratively and literally. its the age-old strategy of divide and conquer
From: New York
How can the Dominican Republic be anti-black when Leonel Fernandez, its own President is Black, Black, Black or Afro- descendant. The problem is that when a nation and its own President do not accept this reality and try to cover race under the guise of Nationality, these problems arise. All Leonel has to say...I am Black and I am the President...What do you have to say about that????
Diego, Leonel won the first time because his then opponent, mr Pena Gomez, now deceased, was ten shades darker than leonel. i know many dominicans in new york who were overjoyed when leonel beat mr gomez, because they said that the aforementioned mr gomez was too black to represent the country. this is not second hand knowledge; many of my dominican friends in new york told this to me in person, and all of them are marginally lighter in complexion than the late mr gomez
From: Santo Domingo
The problem with that reasoning, mr. Trinidad, is that the President (as well as the majority of the dominican populace, for that matter), consider that the "one drop of blood" rule that you're mentioning can't be applied in the DR, because that rule can only be used to analyze realities that, no matter what the UN relators or the NGO's say, can't be equalled to what has happened in the DR : the culture of racial segregation and exclusivism that have plagued the US and South Africa. (cont...
From: Santo Domingo
(cont..) the differences between the dominican reality and the ones of the US and South Africa being: 1- The relative absence of a endogamic marriage policy in the dominican reality, a fact that may be ascertained by the racial composition of the population (70% from mixed race, 20% blacks and 10% whites)., 2- The monopoly of wealth and power isn't held in its entirety by the 10% of whites, a fact that can be proved by the racial composition of the political class and the military, (cont...)
From: Santo Domingo
(cont...), those two classes, the political and the military, being of mixed race in their majority. FYI, (this goes to mike I as well) unlike what happens in the rest of Latin America, the power of mixed race people in the DR is almost equal to the one held by the traditional white elite, because, for this people to exert their supremacy, they have to have the support of the political and military classes to hold the rest of the population in check. (cont...)
From: Santo Domingo
(cont...) the other institution that completes the pillars of power in the DR is the Catholic Church, institution that, notwithstanding the work of its Jesuits and priests like Ruquoy and Hartley in behalf of the haitian inmigrants and other defenseless sectors of the population, is still the main champion that the current status quo have. in conclusion, my POV is that dominican reality is much more complex than the simplistic black vs white/good vs evil stance of the UN relators report.
u hit it on the head. clever ! there are so many problems to discuss. as i said in one my comment, they will go on and on when the word haitian pops up.
enriquillo, i oftentimes concede that you have a considerable degree of actual knowledge about the history and sociology of the dr and haiti, but you refuse to put this knowledge within the boundaries of a conceptual framework within which the issue can be academically ventilated. i am aware of the differences between the american (usa) color schism and the one extant in the dr. the united staes has traditionally had a bi-chromatic situation; white or black, with each camp being the antipode
of the other. the dr situation is a continuum, ranging from black african phenotype to the classice european white. most of the population falls somewhere along the line of the continuum, some lighter skinned than others, others darker than others yet.
as in brazil, where there are over 140 different names given to colors of skin, in the dr we have negro,prieto, trigena, rubia, indio and a vast array of others. the problem is that most people want to be as close to the european
idael as possible. nobody wants to concede that there is anything african in origin here, except for the 'MALDITO HAITIANO' . that is why census directors up until the 1970s refused to classify anyone but the darkest of people as "negro",resulting in census figures showing the dr to have an 11% black population, a figure roughly equivalent to that of the white population. we all know that visually ,most of the people in the dr are of african origin, yet political forebears such as balaguer
and trujillo, both rabid social darwinists, referred to the country as a white, christian country, in opposition to the black,african voodoo republic of haiti.all these dynamics make for a lethal cocktail of racism and resentment against darker people. now i understand why my friend's girlfriend never leaves home without her bottle of skin whitener!
From: United States, Arizona
Mike (pop)...you are so right and after reading these posts from some other Dominicans it's aggravating. THERE IS A PROBLEM....admit it and thn move on. What because there are no hangings or crosses burned in the yard..then what? No racism? BS!!!!
I think out of all my Latino Brothers and Sisters...Dominicans become the most hostile when referred to as Black or African. This is not only sad but ridiculous as you cannot tell the difference between a Black Dominican (if there is such a thing..lol) and a Nigerian if they were standing wearing similar dress. We all came from Africa...get over it.
I met a Dominican Girl not too long ago who was Black....I mean literally...Black....and she said she was white. She told me to look at her features...she is white. I was looking at her like she lost her mind....I was like " I AM looking at your features"....If thats the case then I'm albino white or transparent.
It's sad...and what you said about skin whitener....hahahahah...so true!!