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SANTO DOMINGO.- Of the group of 90 Dominicans who’ll arrive this afternoon repatriated by the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service, 76 are implicated in drug cases, and repeats a similar proportion in 2007.
The remaining 25 served sentences for murders, assaults, robberies, forgery and sex crimes against minors, according to officials of the U.S. embassy in the country and Immigration authorities, quoted by the newspaper El Nacional.
They said 34 of the 75 convicted on drug trafficking served time of between 6 to 14 years, many of them in jails in Manhattan, Queens and The Bronx, New York. The former inmates will arrive at the 1:32 p.m. aboard a U.S.-registry DC-9 airplane chartered by the Immigration Service, said airport authorities.
Seven federal agents escorting the deportees will hand them over to Immigration, National Police, and Airport Security Department and other officials, who’ll put them on a bus at the tarmac once they deplane.
From the terminal, the group will be escorted to the headquarters of the National Police, then to Immigration and later to the Drugs Control Agency, where they’ll undergo a background check prior to handing them over to their relatives.
This is the first group of Dominican ex convicts the U.S sends to the country in 2008. It repatriated 4,118 nationals last year, 70 percent of those after serving time for drug convictions.
Written by: NYCDR, 30 Jan 2008 3:11 PM
From: United States
This is sad :(
what is the government and the population at large going to do with these people.
If they have the luxury to have saved money, then i guess they can subsist. Otherwise, crime will continue to grow in the Island.
Written by: BLANCO, 30 Jan 2008 3:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic
And their names are and dwhere are they expected to be living??? why not publish name and photo especially the sex crime criminals???
Written by: NYCDR, 30 Jan 2008 3:53 PM
From: United States
Blanco, I read a while ago the government keeps a record of the criminals and their crimes.
sorry, i dont think they have an amber alert or a neon green license plate for sex offenders.
:(
Written by: dagtan, 30 Jan 2008 4:28 PM
From: United States
have no idea that they are actually convicted fellons.
Written by: dagtan, 30 Jan 2008 4:28 PM
From: United States
It is with a lot of regret that I must inform you guys that these creatures will simply be re-introduced into the mainstream population. These criminals are simply returned to their families and they go about their business as usual. Once again, as I have indicated in the past, in order for the Dominican government to discourage such behaviors in the U.S. by Dominican nationals, these people should not be simply returned to their families as if nothing had happened in the U.S. and as if they did not do anything wrong. They should be required to serve up to 50% of the sentence they served in the U.S., let say they served 10 years in the U.S., once arrival they will serve another 5 years in domincan jails so they will become criminals in Dominican records as well. Under current conditions, these people who committed murder and sold drugs, sfter deportation will be able to drive and do business in DR without anyone knowing what they did. So if they get pulled over, the police, cont.
Written by: SuperQ, 30 Jan 2008 4:53 PM
From: Italy
Hi Dagtan, I got really amazed by reading the part that propose 10 years in US and 5 in DR, because i thinkl this word could just come from someone who didn't get fingertips and brain conected.
if I didn't deal drugs in the Dominican Republic, why should I serve 5 years in a DR prison for drug trafficking?
From: Dominican Republic
dagtan:
While I hate "druggies" with a passion, I must disagree with you on imposing any sentencing (prison time) to the deportees. In simple terms, that's "double jeapordy" and they have paid their debt to society.
I am not against a tracking system being put into place, however. Then if they re-assert themselves andstart doing "druggie" things here, LOWER THE BOOM WITH A LIFE SENTENCE in the most delapidated prison in thecountry.
Even that might not do any good because, like ALL those with a CRIMINAL MIND they think that they are "smarter" than the law enforcement agencies and won't get caught andconvicted.
Druggies, Theives, Scam Artists and Paid Murderers ALL have that character flaw. When caught, place them in prison FOR LIFE and get them out of the society they have no respect for and are misfits in.
TB
Written by: ny4life, 30 Jan 2008 5:09 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
Dagtan, I agree with you a 100%. They need to be punished in DR.
Written by: SuperQ, 30 Jan 2008 5:32 PM
From: Italy
Just tell me why should a person pay for a crime in the country he made that crime and then when he gets deported, pay for the same crime he's already paid for?
guys if you give me a good reason i could change my mind, but till then i just can think that i am replying to babies.
Written by: dagtan, 30 Jan 2008 6:35 PM
From: United States
Ok, to those that found my posting incendiary, I want to take sometime to answer your question as to why they should not do time in DR or pointing to the double jeopordy issue. As many of you many of these criminals receive reduced senteces in the U.S. because they are slated to be deprted and the U.S. looks at dollars before anything. So it is fair to extend their sentence by 50% since they are already getting a reduced sentece becuase they are going to be deported anyways. The problem with the deportees is that it is clear that since Mr. Fernandez signed the treaty to have Dominican criminals deported to the DR. Furthermore, if a deportee gets in trouble in DR for let say killing a person, they will serve base on that single crime according to DR's laws. Now if this person was already labelled or maybe in jial during this time, this crime could have been prevented or this person would go to jail for life, instead of the average 15 years in DR for murder. cont..
Written by: dagtan, 30 Jan 2008 6:39 PM
From: United States
the majority of deportees committ crime within the first year of being back in DR, I do not remember where I read this piece. But even this piece could not give quantitative dat due to the fact that they are registered as criminals or ex-convicts. Finally, it is not double jeopordy, but simply a deal brokered between DR and the U.S. that Dominican nationals who committ a crime will receive a full U.S. sentence and serve 75% in U.S. jails since they have more money to support the jails system and 25% at home since DR has less money to support a jail system.
From: United States
i was thinking about this theme for a while. many of them are not criminals. What programs does the government have in place to re-introduce them to society? And concerning those that got convicted of something, I do not think that it is fair for them to get punished twice or two countries. I rather have them do community work, volunteering based (red cross, civil defense or may be planting trees or something like that). I don't have a close relative in that situation but not everybody wants to be doing drugs. what about second opportunities.
Coming back to the point of sending them to jail, we don't have money to do that. And our jails are overcrowded already as of now.
God bless us.
Written by: SuperQ, 31 Jan 2008 6:46 AM
From: Italy
Dagtan, I think I will not agree with you in a while, here is why:
Justice can not send a guy to jail just because judge supposes that guy could committ a crime. Every country has a justice code, if you didn't know it our code is the same as France's code so I think there's no space for questioning our system.
agreement between USA and DR says that after a guy has paid for his crime that guy needs to get deported, that's it! If a criminal pays a full and a higher sentence in USA then at the end of his sentence that guy needs to stay in USA. but I guess you would never agree with such Idea, right?
Written by: dagtan, 31 Jan 2008 8:31 AM
From: United States
SuperQ, you are right, if they committ a crime get them out of here. But at the same time, I believe that the split sentence method will work, since both penals codes are different, trilas will be conducted on the American penal or Roman penal code. But the sentence piece will be aplit, and this my friend does not put neither system in a precarious position.
From: United States
I agree with some who say that split sentencing will benifit the Dominican society as a whole. For example, someone commits a sex crime, not only do they serve time where the crime is committed but as part of the extradition treaty they would additionally serve half or a 1/4 of the time serve in their country of origin.
This would be a great deterent and many would-be offenders would think three times about the risks and the penalty would far exceed the benefits of doing the crime.
Most criminals weigh the pros and cons of their involvement. The say, "I can make X amount of dollars (whether it's $20,000, $50,000 or $100,000US) and if I get caught it'll be 3-4 years and back home. For many of them that's a risk worth taking. But not if they have to pay for their crimes as a introduction back home. They would be recorded in the DR system and face harsher sentencing if they decide to resume criminal activities in DR.
Written by: framire3, 31 Jan 2008 3:09 PM
From: United States
like we don't enought in the country. I don't remember to much at Balaguer!!! but we can used some of the pass example. especialy for those bad apple's
From: United States
I can't help but notice the comments that sweep aside the fact that these are people who SERVED TIME. They were found guilty of commiting a crime, were sentenced and paid their debt to society. That's not to say that they are all reformed (we could only wish that rehabilitation was favored over punishment). The only difference between these people and other US citizen ex-convicts is that they are once again punished for the same crime by being deported after serving their time. I have not commited a criminal act or think I ever will but if I were to err or wronglly found guilty of something I didn't do. I would like to think that I could become a part of normal society again. "Do not do unto others what you would not want them do unto you"
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what is the government and the population at large going to do with these people.
If they have the luxury to have saved money, then i guess they can subsist. Otherwise, crime will continue to grow in the Island.
sorry, i dont think they have an amber alert or a neon green license plate for sex offenders.
:(
if I didn't deal drugs in the Dominican Republic, why should I serve 5 years in a DR prison for drug trafficking?
While I hate "druggies" with a passion, I must disagree with you on imposing any sentencing (prison time) to the deportees. In simple terms, that's "double jeapordy" and they have paid their debt to society.
I am not against a tracking system being put into place, however. Then if they re-assert themselves andstart doing "druggie" things here, LOWER THE BOOM WITH A LIFE SENTENCE in the most delapidated prison in thecountry.
Even that might not do any good because, like ALL those with a CRIMINAL MIND they think that they are "smarter" than the law enforcement agencies and won't get caught andconvicted.
Druggies, Theives, Scam Artists and Paid Murderers ALL have that character flaw. When caught, place them in prison FOR LIFE and get them out of the society they have no respect for and are misfits in.
TB
guys if you give me a good reason i could change my mind, but till then i just can think that i am replying to babies.
Coming back to the point of sending them to jail, we don't have money to do that. And our jails are overcrowded already as of now.
God bless us.
Justice can not send a guy to jail just because judge supposes that guy could committ a crime. Every country has a justice code, if you didn't know it our code is the same as France's code so I think there's no space for questioning our system.
agreement between USA and DR says that after a guy has paid for his crime that guy needs to get deported, that's it! If a criminal pays a full and a higher sentence in USA then at the end of his sentence that guy needs to stay in USA. but I guess you would never agree with such Idea, right?
This would be a great deterent and many would-be offenders would think three times about the risks and the penalty would far exceed the benefits of doing the crime.
Most criminals weigh the pros and cons of their involvement. The say, "I can make X amount of dollars (whether it's $20,000, $50,000 or $100,000US) and if I get caught it'll be 3-4 years and back home. For many of them that's a risk worth taking. But not if they have to pay for their crimes as a introduction back home. They would be recorded in the DR system and face harsher sentencing if they decide to resume criminal activities in DR.