a tragedy in the making....they may have disappeared without a trace

Belial you stooge of the senile castros take note.....they were not on their way to pick up ration cards in cuba....nobody noooooobody wants to go live in the Tropical Gulag.....fidelito put the U in gulag

josean I suppose this photo will bring back memories for you ?

Oh Noooooo..... NOT THE DOMINICANS......Are you trying to tell me that the MIGHTY METRO DOMINICANS are boat people as well? OMG what a shock. so there I was sitting behind my little PC thinking that the only boat people in this world are Haitians... but I thought the Dominicans were on their way to become a super power country with Metros and helicopters and submarines and 5 star hotels....What happened? How could this have happened? OMG

My sarcasm is out of control.....Somebody stop me

Welcome to the Home of the Village Idiots! ... Let the insults begin.

Dominicanation:

Your Haitian jealousy is pathetic...............................plz change your name "Haitianation" or M. pie

in case you had not noticed, yumnuk3, they already did. home of the village idiots , indeed. or, as Manhattanite would say, the boondocks of the internet.

i don't even care anymore about all this idiots who go in boats to toher countries, im just living my life in my own way and nothing as ever happen to me in this country! so what ever :D..

we shall not be confused by Cubans , Haitians or any other nationality, we are Dominicans !!and because we have being facing economic problems since , well almost since the beginning. it doesn't man we shall be embarrass! :D

I thought I saw Joseano waving in the boat, was he there?

It's very sad to see people risk their lives for a better life; thank god the coast guard found them because the sea would have consume them all. LF is spending Millions of U.S$ on the Metro I & II and poverty still exist in D.R. My fellow Dominicans hang in there it doesn't seem to be getting any better. I wish things could be different for my fellow dominicanos, but no one is looking out for your interest.

The sad part about all this is that we try to leave our country looking for something better, to find that we were wrong once on the other side. I understand and feel for the citizens that are trying to move forward. But leaving the country is not always the best choice.
I would like to call everybody who reads this article to think about their lives and what you leave behind when you leave the country. Is not worth it, I know it by experience. But is not until we see what we have around us that we will start to appreciate how beautiful life is in our country. Problems are everywhere, and we always see the grass greener on the other side of the fence.
http://nicolasdelvalle.wordpress.com/

ndelvalle, my eternal gratitude to you for that post. it is a sermon i preach to all dominicans who tell me that they want to go to some other country. it is not easy here, but there is nothing worse than being destitute in a foreign land. and, with the economic mess that we are in, my advice to everyone is to stay put. if you have not already migrated, this is not the time to do it!

"approximately 20 nautical miles north of Isabela, Puerto Rico ..." DT reports.

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Where were they going? Out in the Atlantic.

They were stopped off the northwest coast of PR colony

Why didn't they aim for the west coast of US colony? They probably could have made the west coast. But it's a long walk to San Juan over high mountains.

Who was the captain on the boat?

Maybe they didn't want to go to just anywhere in PR colony.

The USS Kearsarge visited the DR; so, a group of patriotic Dominicans in a yola tried to return the courtesy in PR.

So, 146 were repatriated and 11 will be thrown into the US gulag to co-exist with 2,000,000 others incarcerated souls in the land of the free or, more correctly, in the land of departments of corrections and the bureau of prisons. When the 146 repatriates try again to visit the land of the free and home of the brave ... and get caught ... they will be thrown into the gulag, too.

Belial you stooge of the senile castros take note.....they were not on their way to pick up ration cards in cuba....nobody noooooobody wants to go live in the Tropical Gulag.....fidelito put the U in gulag

OK my fellow Dominicans and annoying Hatians- who don't have a website of their own so they gotta bother us.

The Dominican economy is one of the most fastest growing economies in he world,. America including Puerto Rico are negative in their GDP growth, right next to China. Times are changing. Fewer people are finding the trip across the Mona even worth it.. The people who still risk their lives to go to Puerto Rico, have no idea how bad things are over there. Puerto Rico is about to go bankrupt again for the 2nd straight year in a row ,and they don't even have enough food to support themselves, where as The Dominican Republic produces 85% of their own food making them immune to the global inflation of food prices. To make things worst, the entire country of the United States is going Bankrupt as well. The poor uneducated people who go over there are completely clueless, just like the ones who think a metro is a bad idea with gasoline about to sell at $200 dollars.

Going to Puer

Excuse me, what I meant to say was that the Dominican republic and China are the two fastest growing economies in the world, for the past 7 years. People should be going to China and the Dominican Republic, at a time when we might have a global depression, Not the other way around. I know I will. There are no jobs in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is losing jobs every month. The Dominican Republic is making.


Going to Puerto Rico is like jumping into the frying pan and into the fire!

*Going to Puerto Rico is like jumping out of the frying pan and int the fire!

"Belial ... they were not on their way to pick up ration cards in cuba....nobody noooooobody wants to go live in the Tropical Gulag...," GC nuts up again.

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Since you believe, GC, that Cuba is unpopular with USAs, including 1.4 million Dominican Americans and 1.7million Cuban Americans, why does the repressive bourgeois regime in Washington threaten US citizens and residents with up to 10 years in the US gulag and up to $250,000 fines for visiting Cuba without permission of the repressive US regime.

Let US citizens themselves decide where they want to live and to visit free of repression.

GC wonders why the 157 sailed east to PR colony held by the US imperialists rather west to the home of the revolutionary workers of Cuba who enjoy a glorious proletarian democracy.

The answer, GC, is that the captain of the boat didn't know where he was going.

one goes to cuba today out of curiosity or to get a cheap cheesy vacation and a BJ they dont have to risk being eaten by sharks to do that

I'm just beside myself that at this point these people think they can get away with doing this.... I mean come on! How many times we need to read this kind of stuff in the news and watch it on tv before we start to get it? I know times are hard in DR, but it is the same story anywhere you go these days! The economy is not good for the G7 Nations, never mind DR! I get so frustrated sometimes.... I mean, things are not so bad that we should choose to get eaten by sharks or raped or killed as it usually happens in these cases than trying to make it work in your own country beside your family. There's always money for El Derrisado, La Presidente Y el can, pero no para nada mas.....

The poor uneducated people--Right-- Yep the ones who voted Partidos Dominicanos Ladrones.

ambioriv, please indulge me, if you can. where did you get it from that the DR and China had the two fastest growing economies in the world? how do you figure that? i agree that people should look to stay and develop the country, but some of your assertions are fictitous. you might be right, but i would like to see the statistics for myself. and please, stop using GDP as an indicator of how well the economy is doing. without correct interpretation of associated data, it is less than useless!

Penasuazo75 I feel you happen to be wrong. There are people who care about their fellow humans, also about RD and its inhabitants. But, no single person can just change the world, not even a single country.

I agree with ndelvalle. There is often the tendency to believe that the grass is greener at the neighbour's. While I grew up I somehow got the idea that the USA was some kind of promised land. They were the alie and the Sovjet Union the big dangerous threat. So, 20 years ago I got the idea to go to the USA to study at a university and stay there. I was able to go to check out in advance and visit the USA. Yes, I learned that the grass is not greener in the USA and I did not pull through. I have learned over time that the USA has a rather harsh and very unequal society. I have visited Russia too. I cannot recommend either of the political, economic and social systems.

Dominicans, you have a beautiful country, please stay to move it forward. Do not look up to northern america or western europe; there maybe a lot more material convenience, but well being is decreasing. Do not try to catch up, it will make you a follower forever. Partner with other latin american countries. Stay close to your own ways, think well and then change the rules of the 'game' to jump over. Do away with the remnants of colonialism. Do not sell your assets to foreign investors, exploit them yourself.

If I may suggest, have free state funded education for everyone; build your digital highway to get it to everyone. Do away with the USA type private system, because that only allows people with money to study. Give this priority over building roads, metros and megolomanic buildings. Education brings the sustained fundamental difference in the long run. Educate not only for knowledge, but especially for critical and creative thinking to be successful small entrepreneurs.

what the heck is going on? first ndelvalle, now delante. two intelligent guys joining the forum in a short space of time. nothing like a little balance; maybe we can soon split the forum in two, and give the cretins their own space. it is one thing to be wrong, but being wrong, and offensive, is unbearable. we do not all have to agree, but civility is not difficult. people should not have to be tortured by those with deficient upbringing.

No, dominicans never migrate to other countries ever, especially not by boat. That is ridiculous!

dreadlocks,
First I hope you agree with me that you know that the U.S. days are over. The dollar is collapsing as we speak and it will lose it's status as the worlds reserve currency pretty soon.

If you don't want to look at GDP, which is really a very important number, all you have to do is look at the value of the currencies themselves. Easy to find.

The Dominican Peso doubled in strength and so did the Renmindi, the U.S. lost half it's value and it will keep losing it's value. All this has been happening for the past seven years. And that's the reason why the stock market is crashing. This is also the reason why the Dominican Republic and china is increasing interest rates, while the U.S. has to lower them.

China is on it's way to becoming the new United States. Everyone knows this.
The Dominican Republic will probably be very prosperous as well, it is the fastest growing in Latin America. But to be honest everyone will be much better, once the U.S. is gone. So it makes

It makes no sense economicaly to go to Puerto Rico, not to do business, and not to risk your life. All this is is propoganda. These people have no idea what their doing. Puerto Rico is not what it used to be after the days of operation boot strap. These are just uneducated people with not even the slightest idea that the U.S. right now is on the verge of going into a depression. Does it make sense to go into a country who is on the verge of going into a depression and losing thousands of jobs every month while your country is making thousands of jobs every month. NO WAY! fortunatley some people are aware of this and this is why the amount of people going to Puerto rico has decreased to like 80%, but of course there are stilll some people playing in to the propoganda.


This is a perfect example of why the poor get poorer.

amboiriv, i agree with you on certain things, but you are really footloose and fancy free with your economic analysis. cutting interest rates is not an indicator that your economy is in trouble. besides, GDP is only an indicator of HOW MUCH money is spent in an economy. it does not express what it is spent on. it does not explain the condition of the country. let us say a massive epidemic breaks out. billions are spent on new medical facilities, doctors salaries, funerals, and associated costs. the GDP skyrockets. at the same time, tourism and foreign investment die. all the money spent is borrowed, and the current account deficit balloons to 10% of GDP. is that a healthy economy?

footloose and fancy free to put it mildly.....mark my words

Thanks to the US Coast Guards for saving their lives, but still think that immigration laws are BS. Why can Cubans stay here, but Dominicans and Haitians can't?

Fast eddy from lemster still does not get it.....because it is the law and cuba is communist and until it is not communist..... that is the the way it will be

dreadlocks,

Foot lose, lol. are you kidding me,? Did you know that Goldman Sachs is right now going out of business. The question is this: China and Dominican Republic are two of the fastest growing economies in the world, The united States and Puerto Rico are on their way out the door to becoming a poorer nation.

Cutting interest rates is the surest indicator that your economy is in trouble. Specially in this case with the United States. a SHORT EXPLANAITON, LOL. All cutting interest rates means is expanding credit, and all that means is printing more money, which gives you more inflation pure and simple. ANdI HOPE YOU AGREE THAT rising inflation is a very good indicator of a bad economy. Inflation is never good, it leads to socialism and it devalues the value of your money supply, then leads to hyper inflation. That's what happened to Argentina, Germany and Zimbabwe. And that's the road the United States is heading in. Recently the United States just decide to take part owners

And that's the road the United States is heading in. Recently the United States just decide to take part ownership in the banks, and they own freddie and Fannies. Capitalism is over in the U.S. Once a government has power it never gives it back.

Want Proof, just turn on CNN. there trying to prop up the markets again with easy credit AKA more inflation. But it won't work.

Now in that example you just gave with GDP, yes during that time although the GDP may not last forever during that time it's still a good economy if everyone has jobs. But the important isn't GDP alone. It is a combination of interest rates and GDP together.

For example: if a massive epidemic breaks out and the government has to print more money to make all that stuff happen, then that would increase inflation, and al that means is decreasing interest rates. That is basically what the United States did and that is why their in trouble. The only way to solve the problem is to decrease interest rates and let t

The only way to solve the problem is to decrease interest rates and let the free markets work for themselves. Easy credit is not a real economy, to have a good economy you have to work hard and produce, you can't just print the money, AKA IOU cards.

If you let the free markets work, and not induce inflation, then YES GDP IS A GOOD INDICATOR OF THE ECONOMY. It all depends on what your government is doing, hopefully NOTHING!

The reason your confused is because the United States is manipulating the numbers. But all you have to do is got to Puerto Rico everything is way too expensive. and that is a direct result of inflation. The reason that happened was because they went bankrupt twice, and all the United States does to help them is give them more money IE put more IOU cards into circulation. IE hyperinflation. IE decrease interest rates. IE higher prices

HOPE YOUR FOLLOWING, ITS JUST SO SIMPLE< DON"T BELIEVE THE NUMBERS< LOOK AT THE REAL NUMBERS. tTHE NUMBERS ON THE PRICE OF YOUR GASOLINE AND FOOD>

IN a good economy prices go lower jobs increase, your money supply gets stronger and your GDP grows. ThE leaders in this are CHIna and Dominican Republic in Latin America.

LIONEL IS DOING A GREAT JOB!


I REST MY CASE.

ambioriv, with all due respect to you, and with all fear of offending you, i must let you know that your economic analysis is a little weak. rising inflation is not necessarily an indicator of a bad economy. in the main yes, but not if productivity and wages keep pace. by your analysis, deflation , which is the opposite, would be a good thing. we all know it is not necessarily so, either. and the GDP, as i said, is only an indicator of that which is spent. it does not explain what it is spent on, or how it is raised. let me give you a simple example. ; two guys go to the mall. they each spend 1000 dollars. one guy uses his debit card, which has money he already earned, to buy computer software to improve his business. the second guy used his credit card, running up a 1000 debt at 23% interest, to buy a closeout on a brand of beer which is going out of production. would you say that both guys are in an equivalent position, economically?

further, ambioriv, prices can go lower for many reasons. if the fall in the index is input driven, such as increased technological aspects, lower component costs, or better employee methods, then it is a good sign. if it is because of falling aggregate demand, it can lead to lovely events like the Great Depression.

dreadlocks, lol.


If you don't believe that rising inflation is and indicator of a bad economy, then I must say that your economics is really weak. No offense.

I thought You would have at least agreed with me on this one. I don't know anyone who thinks that gasoline at $300 dollars a barrel is a good thing.

How can deflation be a bad thing, your believing to much bullshit from the mainstream media.
How could cheaper food and cheaper gasoline be bad.

Who cares if productivity and wages keep pace. When what their paying can't buy anything.

What if someone payed you $1,000,000 dollars a year but all you can buy with it was food and gasoline. Thi is what happens in a hyperinflationary society.

And that productivity your talking about isn't real productivity, it's services, IE Mc Donald's. It's not real productivity. All the good jobs are going over seas to china.

Right now the United States is a 70% consumer economy, Sure there's productivity, but if all everyone does is consume and eat and not produce anything and just use borrowed money from china on their credit cards, What do you think is going to happen once the music stops and people stop lending us money.

It's happening right now. and that's what happened during the great depression.

As a matter of fact, like you the government thought that lower prices IE deflation was a bad thing. So in order to keep prices high they killed all the cows.

That's an insane way of thinking. ALl that food could have been used to feed the hungry. Unfortunately, that's the road we're headed in, HYPERINFLATIONis by definition an insane society.

ambioriv, you need to understand this material in a little more depth. you have a few notions, but you need some more rounding out. do you understand what deflation is? if so, then you realise that it has good and bad causes. do you know what inflation is? similarly, it has good and bad causes. i am going to give you a simple example, and you can go and ponder. why do you think it is that barbecue grills which sell for 250 dollars in August in North Dakota, sell for 100 dollars in January? do you see where i am headed? does the answer help you understand a little better? inflation is simply a rising price index, which can be caused because there are good economic times, there is a lot of money in circulation, and aggregate demand is high. supply and demand inches prices upward, ergo ,inflation.

Dreadlocks,

Let me make this clear.

The united States isn't working hard right now like in your example, we're the boy with the credit card. It's a 70% consumer economy. All we do is eat and borrow.

I can't stress this enough. this is a direct result of lower interest rates, IE more credit cards. And it all stated when Allen Green Span lowered interest rates to !% back in the year 2000 during the tech bubble. ANd now then we had a housing bubble, and that blew up, and now the markets are crashing. that's what happened during the great depression. History is repeating itself.

We're now in the last bubble, the dollar bubble. All because of lower interest rates. When that bubble blows up, it will be the end of the great American empire. All inflation does is create bubble, it doesn't solve any problems.



I'm not making this up.


tHIS IS NOT MY OPINION, its happening right now as we speak. we're living in interesting times.
The united States is on the edge of bankruptcy.

All because of inflation.

dreadlocks, lol no your wrong.


Inflation is not a rising price index. The government has lead you to believe this way.

Inflation does not mean higher prices, inflation means debasement of your money supply.


Sure that barbecue grill can be in greater demand and in less demand at different times of the year.

But I'm not talking about just that barbecue grill. I'm talking about the price of everything going up. And the reason that happens is because the money that you hold in your hand is becoming worthless.

Deflation would mean increasing purchasing power.

Why would a stronger dollar be a bad thing. LOL


The dollar has lost half it's value, that's the real reason why that barbecue grill isn't just going to be 250, it's going to be $1,00,000,000 dollar in 5 years. and not just that barbecue grill, but everything, catch my drift.


Don't believe the propaganda., INFALTIION<AKA> LOWER PURCHASING POWER IS ALWAYS BAD> YOU JUST HAVE TO GET YOUR DEFINITIONS STRIGHT

ambioriv, we are not talking about two very different things; we are just taking a different route to get there. in effect, inflation means nothing more than a fall in the purchasing power of a currency. the causes vary, the result is the same

Exactly.

OK then you agree with me, lol. Good.

But the way you create inflation is by lowering interest rates. That's why it's bad, and it lowers purchasing power and prices go through the roof.

That's all I wanted to say. Very few people understand this.

And unfortunately Puerto Rico and the United States are about to go into hyper inflation!

So the poor stupid people are risking their lives so stupid.


OK BYE!

Now to end this discussio now that we're on the same page, the reason china is going to be the next super power of the world is because china is the biggest creditor nation in the world. China is the one lending all that money to the United states, and their the ones working hard to produce all those goodies that the united states, the kid with the credit card consumes.

At one time the United states was the biggest creditor nation, because it produced everything, even oil, but now it is the biggest debtor nation.


Farewell!

Thank you Ambioriv, that haitian guy Dreadlock's spends his life trying to belittle our progress. What a pathetic soul.

au contraire, arkatype. it is people like you who belittle the Dominican Republic. when they read your attempts to make a point, they conclude that this country has some really stupid people. that is sad, because you devalue the brilliant dominicans , single handedly. i have tried , apparently unsuccessfully, to alert you to the fact that the internet is global. people from other countries read your rabid musings, and wonder how one can attain such a zenith of idiocy. i am sure your intellect cannot even digest the conversation between Ambioriv and i, but, that's life.

Dreadlocks you are an outcast in this thread, your opinions and constant criticism's affirms your personal grudge against the D.R., There's no such thing as a perfect country, their will never be! But your language and assertions are always negative even if they post a positive story. Obviously this story is not a positive report, but you always have to add wood to the fire. I suggest you spend your time in a haitian thread go ahead give all your negative points, believe me nobody will miss you here.

arkatype, have you ever considered school? they teach reading comprehension, you know. in this thread, i am the person who asserted that people should not try to migrate, but to stay here and develop this country. if you find that to be negative, then you confirm my belief that there is no limit to human stupidity. are you sure that you are not one of the vegetables to whom Balaguer refers? surely no member of the animal kingdom can be this limited!

GC, the "Yola" is much more sophisticated then that raft you came on…
I can not believe your so low in life that you attack people on here b4 you have even heard there comment.

Written by: gouletcolonial, 13 Oct 2008 10:23 AM
From: Canada
Fast eddy from lemster still does not get it.....because it is the law and cuba is communist and until it is not communist..... that is the the way it will be


this is not a Cuban Newspaper !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

chill your hero belial was kicked off this thread for being a commie stooge do not follow in his footsteps or belial lites......you are doomed to follow losers