SANTO DOMINGO.- Immigration director Jose Aníbal Sanz said 476 Haitians, who resided illegally in the country decided to leave voluntarily yesterday, after a violent incident in Neyba.
Sanz, who heads the Government commission that visited the southwest municipality, said he contacted Haiti’s ambassador and with Frank Andres, the general consul in that nation, whom asked that the citizens of the neighboring country be sent in groups.
The official said the Haitians were sent on 14 buses to Jimaní, on the border with their country, at the request of the Haitians themselves, for fear of reprisals. They told of being persecuted by armed groups of Dominicans, for which Army and Police agents guarded them.
Earlier the deputy Luis Jose González said as many as 580 Haitians had been transferred.
The transfer of the foreigners takes place after the violent incidents on Monday in the section Los Grajo, Neyba, Bahoruco, where two Haitians died and 9 others were injured by Dominicans, in an aggression began when an immigrant allegedly killed a local to steal his motorcycle.
Written by: yumnuk3, 29 Oct 2008 7:42 AM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
We're going to need insurance for this one.
Written by: juanb, 29 Oct 2008 8:02 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Face the sad reality. NO politician cares about the country. They only care about what they can steal.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
let us hope this does not snowball ....this and the bad publicity from incidents like it will destroy tourism faster than a bad economy ....beware do not allow this to get out of hand ....the foreign press loves these kinds of things to publicize and it will kill tourism ......that is internecine violence must be avoided and put down..... it is morally wrong and economic suicide
From: United States, New York City
The job of the politicians is to maintain social order and the status quo. It is the duty of the people to change that. But then, there is Brugal, Presidente and dominican women to keep everything in check.
Written by: Lautaro, 29 Oct 2008 8:45 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Sometimes I can't understand the rationale (if there's any) with which the dominican government operates. On the one hand, it knows that incidents like this can destroy tourism, so it's a given that it has the duty not to allow illegal inmigration to get out of control. But, on the other hand, it shows a proverbial inability to stop the human trafficking business of some of its main functionaries, military men, and other private individuals. I guess that this situation will continue until it reaches the point that it will have to decide which of the two businesses will remain on foot: tourism or the slave trade, cuz' at the pace things are going, those two will not be able to coexist any longer. It shows the bad policy of allowing these situations were the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing to run unchecked.
Written by: Jander, 29 Oct 2008 9:05 AM
From: Dominican Republic
These vigilante's are popping up everwhere due to the non-existence of authority.
Taking the law in their own hands to keep their families safe not just against illegal immigrants but their own as well.
I was behind a truck full of police cadets the other day and it was full of young boys and girls, and not a serious face on any of them..
From: United States, Washington
will the dominicans who kill the two haitians and also attacked others, and destroyed homes be brought to justice?
moreover, a similar episode just happened in guayabin.
Written by: Lautaro, 29 Oct 2008 9:34 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
And then we cry and tear our garments every time international firms dare to call us a failed state, baldoria.
Written by: BASTA, 29 Oct 2008 9:49 AM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs
Not only is my country failed it is also a sad country.
From: Dominican Republic
Sad to say but Dominicans are pathetic....What is this the 1920's? Haitian lynching? WoW
AND you people are supposed to be the more educated nation LOL.....aahahahahaahah. If that's the way that you masses are acting. Give me my Hungry dirt cookie eating Haitians any time at least the Haitians still have their dignities... There's nothing wrong with eating dirt but there sure is something wrong with RACISM in the 21st century.
YOU ARE A NO-GO at this station Dominicans you must be retrained, retested, retards.....
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Dominicanation or Haitianation??? with this confused identity who's the retarded???
Self defense or racism???? let's stop the BS sensitivity talk. goverment, Haitians and international community are aware that this is a timebomb, President Fernandez talks nice about our brothers the Haitians and doing business but We will never be brothers or else, We are 2 separate nations with 2 different identities and 2 different points of view. let's stop being naive and blame Haitian goverment for pushing illegal inmigration together with the Haitian wealthy that are happy sending the poor to cross the border and getting rid of one big problem, Either We defend our identity or We will get wipe out sooner or later.
From: Dominican Republic
Self Defense--Ummhh Dummby look at the word AGAIN....SELF-DEFENSE how many people do you see in the picture when you use the world Self Defense? Keyword here is "SELF"
That's what I thought! So it must not be self Defense....
Yeah! That is full blown Racism right there for you buddy.
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Dominicanation or Haitianation???? are you still confused about your identity??
Reanexed to Haiti??? with voodo I guess???
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Dominicanation or Haitianation??
With vodoo????
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Dominicanation:
Case closed with you..........................ignorant pigeon , at least show some personality with your nickname
From: Dominican Republic
Obama, Obama, Obama
Written by: Lautaro, 29 Oct 2008 11:23 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
You apparently haven't learned the lesson, rom1804. Keep that aggresive talk and you will be banned faster than you can say PEREJIL. What's wrong, rommie, couldn't take too much heat in Zimbabwe with your master, comrade Bob? Did you lose your job by not being able to stop all those refugees from fleeing your dear boss' regime? "Diga perejil, carajo" LOL. What a jerk.
Written by: devin11, 29 Oct 2008 1:09 PM
From: United States, The Greatest City
The reaction of these vigilantes is indefensible and abhorrent. However, JR will prefer to blame the Haitian government instead of the machete wielding thugs. Two weeks ago, in New York City, a couple of young Dominican gang thugs (Trinitarios) shot a five year old girl on her way to school. The two thugs were in a dispute with some other gang thugs and instead of killing each other as one would hope they shot a defenseless victim. Later that same day, a previously deported Dominican man shot two police officers on a train platform after a scuffle when he tried to enter the station with a fake metro card. Imagine if innocent Dominicans were beaten by the masses or forced to leave the U.S. because of these incidents. The outcry from the D.R. and other nations would be palpable and rightly so. JR would be leading the cry of outrage, unless of course the victims were Haitian and the abusers were Dominican, then he would defend it.
From: United States
devin did you notice JR's very first comment condemned the D government?
As for eating dirt being better than being racists that is laughable. Eating dirt means you have hit rock bottom, and there is no one around to be racist against. There is not one nation in the human community that wouldn't turn on domestic competitors long before they were reduced to that. Haitians know this principle as well as any other nation; look how viciously racist the very birth of their republic was.
Anyway I agree with sentiment of most comments above...this is bad for DR's image, and the government's responses should focus on immigration and economic policies that don't force people to turn vigilante. BTW I have heard stories in recent years of mob justice being dealt to Dominicans by Dominicans so this transcends the Haitian issue.
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
Devin11 I agree with you machete wielding mobs killing and burning homes is really horrible and inhumane.
A lot of the blame should go to the authorities for lack of control and for not responding in time to save lives.
This is not the 1st time and it won’t be the last time you see this sad episode.
That is why I’m proposing a solution to the problem:
1st The Dominican Government will invade Haiti and claim the whole island as Dominican Territory.
2nd The Dominican Government will impose martial law until law and order are established in the new territories.
3rd after subduing the population and explaining the invasion is for their own good
the IMF will erase the Dominican External debt and rebuilding will start
4th four decades later after we have show the population how to care and respect their environment help them rebuild their society and infrastructure the Dominican Government after recovering the Funds invested in the enterprise will grant Haitian their Independen
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Devin:
You are one of the group that don't know the facts, good for you but research little bit more plz.
From: United States, Brooklyn
While you all fight. I See an OPORTUNITY here....
Let’s instigate enough violence and the Haitians will leave on the own... It's Brilliant.
I dream of a DR free of Haitians... where i can walk down anywhere in santo domingo and not bump into one of them dirty haitiasn.....
FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
CarlosFranco:
Be careful because some people are very sensitive and when you or me say something
similar then you have a bunch of nearsighted people calling you xenophohic, racist or else.
Just read in a Dominican newspaper that Dominican inmigration will start deporting Haitians
and I think that this can be a wake up call for the imcopetent Mr. Then that is not doing his job
so far.
LOL
Written by: Euromax 
, 29 Oct 2008 6:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bonao, provincia M.N
GOOD news deport them all!
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Written by: yumnuk3, 29 Oct 2008 7:35 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
GS your absolutely right the international media loves this.
Written by: CeJota, 29 Oct 2008 7:55 PM
From: United States, Augusta Ga/ Philly Pa
You think this is something wait until the US of A elections are over,but sincerely I hope we all will be(or act) civilized no matter who become president.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
maxine waters and the BCC will be all over the DR like a cheap suit......correct Lautaro
From: United States, New York
I think it's actually a good thing this makes the international media. Apparently the international scandal in 2005 worked the other way around by making the government stay quite and stop deporting. Hopefully another scandal will be a wake-up call to the DR government that this nonsense isn't working, and they need to implement a system of mass deportation ASAP. Although I respect Hatians as human beings, all the diplomacy in the world will not work when practically every single country around the world (including the US) has shown that it could care less. I think the DR government should support a Haitian "mariel" to the US, Canada, and France, so they can get the point that throwing a third world country's problems to another third world country is a sheer act of stupidity.
From: United States, New York
Regarding the next potential president and the BCC, this will be an amazing opportunity for the DR government to turn the tables and DEMAND more assistance for Haiti, as well as the granting of more visas for Haitian nationals to developed countries. As blacks and "supporters of the Haitian cause", it will look very bad if they didn't support these measures.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
good point chicky...............But I worry about tourism and economic impact in DR
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Dominicanchic:
Holy cow.....................God bless you, what a wake up call comments.
GC:
You are always professional with your comments and besides your caring for Dominican Republic is appreciated.
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
Lautaro,
the word PEREJIL came to my mind as well when I read this,
devin11, your right on the Money with that one.... and by the way I hate those stupid gang bangers as well
Written by: Lautaro, 29 Oct 2008 10:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
You're right GC, for the BCC (and a bunch of sellouts like Junot Diaz, I can't help but agree with you on this one Rubi), we dominicans are culprits for all the ills that have befallen Haiti since its inception. What those fools of the Black Caucus don't realize is that this tragedy hasn't been all one-sided. That it has been more like a play of tit for tat, sort of like the people in the island of Cyprus of greek and turkish descent, which live their lives in a sort of uneasy truce and that all it would take it's an incident like this to ignite that mediterranean island in flames.
Written by: yumnuk3, 29 Oct 2008 11:05 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
I can just see that new BBC documentary. It will probably be called the Violent Dominican militia.
Written by: yumnuk3, 29 Oct 2008 11:37 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
My fellow countrymen when we fail to act, we're no better than those committing the crimes. How many of you have protested these atrocities with the same fervor as the anti-war activists of the 1970's? If you didn't, you might be thought to be racist, mendacious or Dominican village idiots. Your actions and not your words speak loudest. Get proactive before it's too late.
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Oct 2008 7:44 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Sadly, yumnuk, if you're waiting for that to happen, you might as well wait for a snowfall to happen on Santo Domingo, cuz', as another reader on this site have said (I think it was TuPapaupa), the dominican populace couldn't care less for what is happening to those inmigrants. The only thing that they're concerned with is surviving the high cost of living that is enveloping this country (heck, the whole world, at this stage), putting the food on their families' table, and, when they can, get the remaining pesos (if there are any left) to go to the colmadones and drink themselves silly. The prevalent philosophy being "pa' que la tragedia llegue a mi casa mejor que llegué a la ajena". In other words "if it's not happening to me, it's not my problem". Besides, as Manhattanite says, roadside justice is not a new ocurrence over here, in some barrios (like Capotillo) it's almost a routine to lynch native thieves, cuz' the cops have renounced to make anyhting against them (cont...)
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Oct 2008 7:46 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
(cont...) and in a plenty of cases (like the one from the barrio Los Platanitos that JD Dominguez routinely remind us about whenever an article on the drug front comes up over here), the cops are even on the bad guys' side. Heck, I would say that if any sociologist out there wants to make a study in social darwinism, then this country is the perfect place for him/her to make it.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
if this situation gets out of hand Lautaro they will talk of us like they did of Cyprus just as you say....and nobody wanted to go to Cyprus on Vacation.....and there are a large group of Afrocentric Americans who will be happy.....let alone tourism in the rest of the Caribbean on those Caricom sandbars would get a big boost....and they are more racist than the DR could ever be
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Oct 2008 8:31 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I think that that have been the motivation behind their "solidarity" for the haitian plight all along, GC. Talk about the lenghts that the people can go in their envy.
From: Dominican Republic
Things like this are a tragedy and a reminder just how fast we "humans" revert to mob rule and violence. "ALL IT TAKES FOR EVIL TO PREVAIL IS FOR GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING"
From: United States
I just happened along this site (because of this article) and felt compelled to weigh in on the discussion. Let me be clear that I am not a Dominican national, although I do have a lot of Dominican relatives. There are a result of the descandents of the hundreds of laborers that emigrated to the DR in the early part of the 20th century from some of the islands in the Eastern Caribbean. While you may have your reasons for treating the Haitians in the manner in which you do, I must say that my impression of many Dominicans specifically, and lots of Lationos in general, is that they tend to be very ani-Black (African). Just reading some of these posts have re-affirmed my impression of you.
If you check your history, you will see that your country was founded on racism and encouraged emgration to your country with that in mind. The Republic of Haiti was founded by enslaved Africans seeking to free themselves from slavery and economic exploitation.
From: United States
Nation builder, we may sound racist to you but it is not the same racism you think. It is strictly a certain kind directed only to Haitians that happen to be black, caused by historical events and a struggle for a lack of resources. They are impoverish people coming in illegally and competing for basic needs against poor dominicans. The problem is that no country in the world can bear taking in all at once aprox 2.5 million undocumented people into another poor country like us. Haitians represent 18%-25% of the total population of the DR. So this is not a question of racism, we are the most racially mixed country in the world so we cannot trully be racist. We are talking about a problem that is deeply rooted and a conflict that started a couple of centuries ago and it is still alive today. You will need to read more about this particular subject in order for you to fully comprehend the nature of the problem. This is not an issue of hate and is it not quite as simple as you may believe.
From: United States
Guillermone, I appreciate your response and readily admit I am not an expert on Haiti/DR relations. I am aware, however, of the fact the Haiti, after their revolution, controlled the entire island of Hispanola and that Spain later came to put these "rebel Africans" in their place by taking over 3/4s of the island, since France seemed incapable or unwilling to pursue reclaiming the country. Thus, Spain's actions were motivated primarily by economics and racism. It is a known fact that the West has ensured that Haiti remain a failed state. Heck, the Haitians were forced to actually pay their former enslavers reparations for Christ's sake!!! Imagine that.
It is my belief that many of the feelings regarding race in the DR is a direct result of this history, and the racist policies of past leaders in post independence DR. Read "Race, Identity and Myth in the Spanish Speaking Caribbean, but Dr. Franciso Chapman-Veloz to get a histoical perspective.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
I appreciate your response and readily admit I am not an expert on Haiti/DR relations...........Nationbuilder ....." you can say that again "
Written by: Lautaro, 31 Oct 2008 11:18 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Eer, you need to research a little bit more, builder, because: 1- The Spanish were on this island first than the former overlords of the haitians, the french, so it's a fact that the 1/3 of island that Haiti occupies is the usurpation on this issue (brought about by the Treaty of Ryswick in 1697), not the other way around (if you haven't checked it out, Santo Domingo is a far older city than Port-Au-Prince, you can check this out with goulet, who is a connoiseur of the colonial zone). 2- Racism on this island hasn't been a one sided street, cuz' if you haven't checked it out, Haiti as an independent country had a very racist origin, namely, by the massacre of the white french colonists that remained on the island after the defeat of the french, which can be described as the second wave of ethnic cleansing ever carried out on this island (the first was the massacres of the Taino by the spaniards and the third would be the massacres carried out by Trujillo against the haitians) (cont..)
Written by: Lautaro, 31 Oct 2008 11:22 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
(Cont...) and not only that, nationbuilder, but, before the US marines invaded that country on 1915, the haitian constitution had a prohibition against white people having property on the country or even the right to have haitian citizenship, so don't let the current events cloud your perception about what the tragedy is really all about. And 3- The DR's fears are not entirely unfounded, because massive haitian inmigration have already costed this country a good chunk of its territory, namely, on the final border treaty of the 1930's, Trujillo, despite the massacres that he committed against the haitians and the military might that he had at his dispossal, was forced by the international community not only to pay a monetary compensation, but to cede the entire Central Plateau of the island (some 3,165 kms2) to the neighbouring country, because the haitian inmigration of the preceding decades was such that dominicans were a minority on that region by the time the treaty was signed.
From: United States
Lautaro as always well said. THANKS
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
lautaro you know your history my man, but you know what they say, history always repeat itself
and the way tensions are rising between dominican and haitian in the island very soon we'll see more of this armed group beating down haitians.
its sad sad sad situation
what haiti need is for papa doc to come back!!! seriously
From: United States
Yeah man I agree, we need a modified modern day Trujillo and Papa Doc come back, the two got along just fine and both countries were stable and under control.
From: United States, New York City
DR needs a Fidel Castro to fix its ills.
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Taking the law in their own hands to keep their families safe not just against illegal immigrants but their own as well.
I was behind a truck full of police cadets the other day and it was full of young boys and girls, and not a serious face on any of them..
moreover, a similar episode just happened in guayabin.
AND you people are supposed to be the more educated nation LOL.....aahahahahaahah. If that's the way that you masses are acting. Give me my Hungry dirt cookie eating Haitians any time at least the Haitians still have their dignities... There's nothing wrong with eating dirt but there sure is something wrong with RACISM in the 21st century.
YOU ARE A NO-GO at this station Dominicans you must be retrained, retested, retards.....
Self defense or racism???? let's stop the BS sensitivity talk. goverment, Haitians and international community are aware that this is a timebomb, President Fernandez talks nice about our brothers the Haitians and doing business but We will never be brothers or else, We are 2 separate nations with 2 different identities and 2 different points of view. let's stop being naive and blame Haitian goverment for pushing illegal inmigration together with the Haitian wealthy that are happy sending the poor to cross the border and getting rid of one big problem, Either We defend our identity or We will get wipe out sooner or later.
That's what I thought! So it must not be self Defense....
Yeah! That is full blown Racism right there for you buddy.
Reanexed to Haiti??? with voodo I guess???
With vodoo????
Case closed with you..........................ignorant pigeon , at least show some personality with your nickname
As for eating dirt being better than being racists that is laughable. Eating dirt means you have hit rock bottom, and there is no one around to be racist against. There is not one nation in the human community that wouldn't turn on domestic competitors long before they were reduced to that. Haitians know this principle as well as any other nation; look how viciously racist the very birth of their republic was.
Anyway I agree with sentiment of most comments above...this is bad for DR's image, and the government's responses should focus on immigration and economic policies that don't force people to turn vigilante. BTW I have heard stories in recent years of mob justice being dealt to Dominicans by Dominicans so this transcends the Haitian issue.
A lot of the blame should go to the authorities for lack of control and for not responding in time to save lives.
This is not the 1st time and it won’t be the last time you see this sad episode.
That is why I’m proposing a solution to the problem:
1st The Dominican Government will invade Haiti and claim the whole island as Dominican Territory.
2nd The Dominican Government will impose martial law until law and order are established in the new territories.
3rd after subduing the population and explaining the invasion is for their own good
the IMF will erase the Dominican External debt and rebuilding will start
4th four decades later after we have show the population how to care and respect their environment help them rebuild their society and infrastructure the Dominican Government after recovering the Funds invested in the enterprise will grant Haitian their Independen
You are one of the group that don't know the facts, good for you but research little bit more plz.
While you all fight. I See an OPORTUNITY here....
Let’s instigate enough violence and the Haitians will leave on the own... It's Brilliant.
I dream of a DR free of Haitians... where i can walk down anywhere in santo domingo and not bump into one of them dirty haitiasn.....
FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST
Be careful because some people are very sensitive and when you or me say something
similar then you have a bunch of nearsighted people calling you xenophohic, racist or else.
Just read in a Dominican newspaper that Dominican inmigration will start deporting Haitians
and I think that this can be a wake up call for the imcopetent Mr. Then that is not doing his job
so far.
LOL
Holy cow.....................God bless you, what a wake up call comments.
GC:
You are always professional with your comments and besides your caring for Dominican Republic is appreciated.
the word PEREJIL came to my mind as well when I read this,
devin11, your right on the Money with that one.... and by the way I hate those stupid gang bangers as well
If you check your history, you will see that your country was founded on racism and encouraged emgration to your country with that in mind. The Republic of Haiti was founded by enslaved Africans seeking to free themselves from slavery and economic exploitation.
It is my belief that many of the feelings regarding race in the DR is a direct result of this history, and the racist policies of past leaders in post independence DR. Read "Race, Identity and Myth in the Spanish Speaking Caribbean, but Dr. Franciso Chapman-Veloz to get a histoical perspective.
and the way tensions are rising between dominican and haitian in the island very soon we'll see more of this armed group beating down haitians.
its sad sad sad situation
what haiti need is for papa doc to come back!!! seriously