From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Very good for the Haitians this is the main reason why They moving forward all the time..
Written by: buenoha, 11 Nov 2008 9:51 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Bueno, it is very clear that they feel bad for something, who knows for what. I hope they get their act together. It is insolite to act that way when there are victims involved. What is their problem?
Written by: ambioriv, 11 Nov 2008 9:59 AM
From: United States
I think they blmae us for what happended to them even doh they invaded us twice.
From: United States, Washington, D.C.
How about the lynching mobs? would you not have any reservations against that? have the people who killed and assaulted the haitian migrants been brought to justice?
How would we feel if a Spanish mob started beating up DOminicans? WOuld we not demand the Spanish authorities to take steps to punish the perpetrators and safeguard the rights of DOminicans in Spain? and how would we react if they didn't.
We need to treat each person as a Human Being, which entails political, social, economic, and cultural rights, regardless of where they were born. This "war of one against all" will only lead our society to one end, social disorder and political catastrophe.
Written by: Lautaro, 11 Nov 2008 10:18 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
While I agree with you that the people responsible of the lynching mobs should be brought to justice, baldoria, I think that it's impolitic and an act of lunacy on the part of the haitian gov to be refusing this help, because, if you haven't realized it yet, it's not the people of the haitian gov which will suffer for this stubborn act, but the surviving children of this catastrophe and their families, many of which don't have the means to cover the little medical services available on Haiti, which are notorious for catering only to the few people with means on that country, as well as for the scarcity of their services.
Written by: bernies, 11 Nov 2008 10:35 AM
From: United States, key west fl
here we again, like they say around you can't help a person or persons that do not want to be help. if they don't want the dominican goverment help tell them to ask to all the eligal haitians in the country to go back to their country. that will help even more the dominican economy because 2 out every 5 pesos spend in medical health in the country goes to haitians immigrants.
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
Lautaro,
Well said. Haiti can use all of the aid they can stand and to turn it down not once but twice is just plain stupid.
From: Dominican Republic
we don't need your help. we don"t need anything from dr.
From: Dominican Republic
we don';t need anything from you people. take those helicopters and band-aids and go rescue your own people from drowning at sea.
Written by: Lautaro, 11 Nov 2008 11:23 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Is there not a limit to your cruelty and foolishness, rom? And to your own people, no less...
From: United States, New York City
That is so irresponsible of haitian authorities to deny their people help no matter where it comes from. Events such as these call for egos to be set aside.
Written by: Jander, 11 Nov 2008 11:44 AM
From: Dominican Republic
If Haiti doesn't need the help of the DR or the rest of the world, then please come and gather up your children and women that are begging at every street corner. ...
Written by: buenoha, 11 Nov 2008 11:47 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Soyons bons voisins et acceptons l'aide quand le besoin est là.
La haîne que vous avez contre nous ne vous permettra pas d'avancer. Il faut essayer au moins de laisser vos rencûnes dans le passé. Il faut reconnaître que la solution de vos problèmes n'est pas en RD.
SVP gardez vos gens avec vous, en RD il y a rien pour eux. Nous les Dominicains n'avons pas de chance non plus. Nous avons beaucoup de pauvrété et des problèmes, et si vous continuez tous à venir, nous pourrons jamais avancer. Allez vous en vers les USA, le Canada ou la France si vous désirez quitter votre beau pays. Nous vous souhaîtons le mieux. Mais nous ne pouvons pas accepter que vous essayez de tâcher notre nom dans les yeux de la communaté internationale. Cela ne vous apportera rien. Sonya Pierre je parle à vous et à tous vos complices.
From: Dominican Republic
There are worst thing in life than suffering and dying for us Haitians and one example is accepting aids from the Dominican gov. Most Haitians will tell you that accepting help from DR is a lot worst than suffering or dying but I, I personally think that 'it is even worst than going to hell but that;s just me.
From: Dominican Republic
Jander how about you come and gather your prostitutes women out of my streets first .
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
This is not the first time "aid" has been turned down by countries in this area of the world. In 1999 in the aftermath of the deadly mudslides in Venezuela, Hugo Chavez turned down offers of help from the U.S. and Colombia. He said you can send your equipment but not your man power. While I am not making light of the tragedy of the school collapse, after every heavy rain in Haiti buildings or walls collapse. In 1995 while working in Haiti a wall collapsed where multi-family shantys were built against a wall. About 15 people were killed or injured. The area is close to the seaport and is called Shodacosa, some of the exterior walls there are 25 feet in height. It is highly irresponsible for the Preval Government to turn down assistance in any form as the country as a whole needs it, in whatever form it is offered.
From: United States, Brooklyn
Dominicanation: You Don't Need US... WELL THEN GET YOUR 2,000,000 MILLION OF BROTHAS AND SISTAS OUR OF MY COUNTRY
Your anger doesn;t reflect with your people's actions... Loser
From: Dominican Republic
If the Dominican government want to help us they will prevent lynching mobs from killing Haitians in DR first. We don't need help from them at the moment. What makes you think that we are going to let them come help us in our own country when they can't even help our people in their own country.
Your gov. can start by arresting those that were responsible for burning down 50 houses and killing 3 Haitian citizens in the countryside of DR last month. That's a good place to start.
From: Dominican Republic
Then there's nothing more to do but to pray for your soul, rom, cuz' if your wantonness mirrors that of Dessalines, I don't need to remind you that you'll be bound to have the same fate, that is, to be annihilated by your own countrymen
LAT: I know my fate and I'm ready and willing to die... Bones heal, chics dig scars, pain is only temporary but GLORY is forever. and like i said before CarlosFranco when your gov. start policing their prostitutes out of my Capital then I will retreat my legion of beggars back to the motherland.
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
I guess this sums up his attitude;
"We don't need help from them at the moment. What makes you think that we are going to let them come help us in our own country when they can't even help our people in their own country."
Explain to me why it is in the interest of the Dominican Government to help the illegal Haitians in the DR ahead of their own population.
Written by: antonioj, 11 Nov 2008 12:46 PM
From: Canada, home safe
I disagree they should have accepted the Dominican help, however people like anthonyc, Rubi and their ignoramus gang of croonies are the main reason why Haitians are suspicious, We should go beyong this hatred, and build common ground otherwise Rubi and his tugs would have accomplished their evilish deed.
By the way Dominicanation or Haitianation is a re-action to the action of some of the hatred posting geared toward Haitians, we should learn to ignore these half brainers on both sides.
Written by: yumnuk3, 11 Nov 2008 1:02 PM
From: United States
These children's parents should be very upset with their own government,,,,, foolish pride and emotion should never get in the way of humanitarian aid. Human life is above all!
From: Dominican Republic
LIKE I said before we don't need the Dominican's HELP. Not even if the entire country was going to hell and they could have helped us we would rather go down in flames then to accept help from your people. and that's not just me saying that.
Written by: yumnuk3, 11 Nov 2008 1:38 PM
From: United States
Dominicanation, Taking personal shots are you would be too easy, but I don't get my kicks from trying to put down individuals of limited abilities. You are asking for us to keep correspondence with you at a high level. Now come on, you know many have tried, but your limitations force you to your comfort zone, which is making generalizations and absurd non-factual comments, all of which are driven by hatred and envy.
Written by: arkatype 
, 11 Nov 2008 2:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Excellent!!!!!
From: Dominican Republic
You've got that hatred part correct but I'm not so sure about the Envy/ What is it that you have that would make me envy you please tell me name one thing.
Written by: generoso, 11 Nov 2008 3:50 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Will somebody please enlighten me with some intelligent answers!!!!!!!
How come the Haitians rejected the aid? Why?
Why all the patriotism and call to arms from some Haitian readers?
Translation: It is beautiful to DIE for the fatherland, It is beautiful to die for the country, It is beautiful to die for the (Haitian) flag. I love war" And so on and so forth.
Are we at war by any chance with Haiti?
If we are God help you people, because this time you will encounter the wrath of many Dominicans that have plenty of cojones and know how to use a machete well, and
that are tired of feeding you while you always biting their hand and despising them.
You are sure full of hate, that is why you attract like a magnet all the bad karma back to you.
Dominicans are not to blamed for the Haitian misery, Haitians are to be blamed!
Written by: generoso, 11 Nov 2008 4:02 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Euromax:
Good for you!
Maybe they will rename Haiti, instead of land of the mountains,
Haiti ...........fill in the blanks.
From: Dominican Republic, Dando pela en las 5 esquinas
people of this forum please ignore haitianation.
the guy doesn't speak for all haitians, his problems with dominicans come from a failed relationship with a dominican woman that took all his money and then play him like the retard he is.
all of his rumblings nonsense towards D.R started when he came home from driving a taxi in brooklyn and found his dominican wife gone with all his furniture.
haitianation if u want to keep your dominican woman next time just use deodorant.
Written by: aria4810, 11 Nov 2008 4:33 PM
From: United States
While I can not understand why any country would reject humanitarian aid in times of need (like when the U.S. rejected aid from Cuba after the debacle of Hurricane Katrina), I must say the problem with all of us is very clear from all of the negative postings going back and forth. I live in the U.S. and have many haitian friends, and find that we have a lot more in common than most would think. We share a very small island and by now we should have learned how to get along. I think it is insane that people are holding on to ancient and archaic hate for no reason.
Written by: yumnuk3, 11 Nov 2008 4:41 PM
From: United States
Dominicanation, If brains were dynamite, you wouldn't have enough to blow your nose!
From: United States
They can't help them self and don't want help! A recipe for destruction, so so SAD.
From: United States, New York
They rejected aid for their own people - there's no more that can be done period. The equipment should just be given to poor Dominicans in the border areas, and end the drama.
Written by: LAVERITE, 11 Nov 2008 9:43 PM
From: Haiti
How sad it is to see some people pretending to be civilized behave like cavemen and spill their visceral hatred for other human beings whether Haitians or not They are definitely sick in their minds and will remain as such for the rest of their life. To answer them would be to fall in their pattern as I almost did, but thank God, I have enough sense to avoid that insanity for it makes me sick to my stomach. I prefer to follow The Lord's Commendment Thou shall not hate your neighbor ,keep my good senses and try to improve the relations between the two countries and cultivate the good rapports with my Domincan friends from the most modest to the richest who belong to Rotary clubs and Chambers of Commerce to the highest government officials with whom I share the most generous reciprocal hospitality. I have a dream that by persisting in that direction will bring positive results sooner or later and whether those sick people will like it or not. ADIEU, LAVERITE.
From: Dominican Republic, Dando pela en las 5 esquinas
well said lavarite
bonje apoteyeu
Written by: yumnuk3, 11 Nov 2008 9:58 PM
From: United States
LAVERITE, excellent post. Most of these clowns on both sides are too prideful and emotional to be truthful,,,,As I stated before human life is above all.
Written by: Jander, 11 Nov 2008 10:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic
It''s 8:00 PM do you know where your hookers are..
Big difference between consenting adults and defensless children.
But nontheless either one isn't a pretty sight...
From: Haiti
i ve read all your comments none of ya'll have think about the children who lost their lives. first all ayibobo to all of them R.I.P my little brothers and sisters and the nation won't forget you. To y'all that's talking about war specialy generoso,trust me you don't wanna fight with us.the sons of the men who free this island from the napoleon army, and give you a name ? you must me out of your mind man. Haiti occupied your country in the 18s we can do it again. Much respect to all my Haitian brothers that keep their head up. DR is hypocrite he s killing our children then proposing help. We don't trust you DR, you r buying war plane. you r increasing your army budget, we know what s your plan. You guys are scared after what you have done. But don't worry when we r coming it ll be like a tsunam you won't be able to stop us. I posted a comment on this websitee to ask you respect for the victims but u don t listened.now the world is seeing the real face of your country...HYPOCRITE
Written by: generoso, 12 Nov 2008 7:26 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
"when we r coming like a tsunami you won't be able to stop us"
haitian1804
Wow, I am really scared!
First of all I am one for peace and love. I have been in too many wars.
Second of all if the Haitians drunk with cleren and influenced from eating too many dirt cookies
with cow dung mushrooms ever invaded the DR with bad intentions, my friend they will run into a formidable brick wall so
sturdy and strong and me manning the .50 caliber that
your tsunami will fizzle and turn back to Haiti to destroy you all.
Now don't get me started I was in a good mood.
etiennec where are you, please put a leash on this guy!
Written by: yumnuk3, 12 Nov 2008 8:25 PM
From: United States
Why Do Haitians And Jamaicans Hate Each Other So Much???
Written by: yumnuk3, 12 Nov 2008 8:58 PM
From: United States
haitian1804, it's safe to say you can't call Jamaicans racist. but you can call Dominicans racist. A legal fact your Constitution clearly bans a white Haitian of being a President, Now That's the true definition of hypocrisy.
Written by: generoso, 12 Nov 2008 11:11 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
white Haitian where?
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Nov 2008 7:48 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Well, generoso, the jewish and lebanese communities over there and the descendants of americans (like the politician Charles Baker), can be safely called such, specially if we use the latin american definition of "white", which thoroughly ignores the "one drop blood" that defines american racial relations. Although I understand your skepticism, since those communities, unlike the european descended elites of our country, are not constantly parading themselves or their wealth on the streets of PAP and Le Cap for obvious reasons, and that numerically speaking they're even more minuscule than our own elites, although not the less wealthier or powerful for that.
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 8:28 AM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Lautaro:
Those communities you mentioned I know well they hold the main business arteries in Haiti.
You forgot some French that own businesses, Germans, Italians.
But these "business elite" are convenience Haitians because they hold a Haitian passport and they speak Creole, but unlike the Dominican immigrant population who have immersed themselves in
Dominican politics (Jacobo Magluta was president after Guzman shot himself, he was Lebanese and I can quote many other politicians, military, congress, senators, et all.
These immigrant white Haitians do not participate in Haitian politics as they are "off limits" to whites.
You will have to do a survey and ask them if they would want to do that if ever allowed to enter politics, but I doubt it
since they are mainly focused in making more money for themselves and do not feel that they are fully integrated as Haitians with political ambitions.
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 8:30 AM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
There are some rich white Haitians as well, as an example Albert Silvera the owner of El Rancho hotel was Haitian white of mixed blood. He had the Rolls Royce franchise and Lamborghini as well. YES! for Haiti. Some Haitian whites come from a small isolated town that was inhabited by pirates and they never mixed.
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Nov 2008 8:39 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I think the town that you're speaking of is called Bombardopolis, on the northwestern peninsula near the Mole St. Nicholas.
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
Generoso,
I stayed at the El Rancho hotel for a couple of weeks in '95 when I was demobilizing my staff for the work we did for the UN mission. Don't forget the Deduskies {sp} or the others, like the owners of Canape Verte Hospital, the trucking company that has exclusive rights to move items from the port in PAP, or the stevedore company that has exclusive rights to unload cargo not only in PAP but in Isle Tortuge, Cap Haitian and Les Caye, the owners of the American food mart, or the Carribean store. All white, most born there but dual citizens with Haitian being the second not first. When I was there I was told that there are seven families, all European / Middle Eastern, who effectivly run the country. Not through politics but by stranglehold on the companies that make the country function. El Rancho is a beautiful hotel or was, nice little casino.
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Nov 2008 8:55 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Last I heard, the headquarters for all these rich types were located on Kenscoff and Petionville, and before the Duvaliers came by, on Jeremie, although, as the case of this school might suggest, Petionville might have been losing its exclusiveness with every passing year.
Written by: yumnuk3, 13 Nov 2008 9:04 AM
From: United States
Gentlemen Thank you for confirming the double standard.
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Nov 2008 9:50 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
What double standard, may I ask? It's simply the truth, nothing more and nothing less. Besides, unlike many posters over here, generoso, texas and yours truly have had the benefit of having been there, and witnessed with our own eyes, all that we're talking about Haiti's social fabric, which is only a mirror of the ones currently being played on Latin America, only worse, cuz' over there the social (and racial) divides between the rich and poorer classes are the size of an ocean compared with the ones of the rest of LA (only Brazil having a similar social divide).
Written by: yumnuk3, 13 Nov 2008 10:06 AM
From: United States
Here's the double standard. Haitians don't get along with African-Americans and Jamaicans. Why don't they call them racist?
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Nov 2008 10:10 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
That's an awfully good question, my fellow cibaeño, I have been wondering this time and again, specially if we take into account that on Jamaica and the Bahamas the treatment of haitian inmigrants also leaves a lot to be desired. Apparently, being part of the British Commonwealth is license enough for these island-nations to act with total impunity.
From: Dominican Republic
Anyway what is this post about again/ oh yeah. Charlito Baker was once my neighbor. Not a bad person from what I can tell funny thing is the fundamental difference between the white Haitians and the white Dominicans is . The White Haitians always call themselves Haitians while the white Dominicans called themselves Spaniards. WHY IS THAT? I think its because they are ashame of Dominicans like you. White Haitians get offended when they are mistakenly taken for a French or an American while the white Dominicans get offended when they are called Dominicans. Its; true and you know it.
From: Dominican Republic
Haitian1804 WOW for a second there I thought I was the one that wrote your statement. I GUESS I"M NOT ALONE. ----Chanting you are not alone by Michael Jackson. I'm not alone there are others like me don't get too comfortable I'm here to stay. I'm not alone..not alone, you and me not alone Oh!....
There was another fellow that I'm commonly mistaken for I read some of his past arguments he was a good citizen I think he went by the name of ron1804 as well. The 1804 boys are coming out...
Anyway what is this post about again/ oh yeah. Charlito Baker was once my neighbor. Not a bad person from what I can tell funny thing is the fundamental difference between the white Haitians and the white Dominicans is . The White Haitians always call themselves Haitians while the white Dominicans called themselves Spaniards. WHY IS THAT? I think its because they are ashame of Dominicans like you. White Haitians get offended when they are mistakenly taken for a French or an American while the white
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Nov 2008 12:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
What difference does that make, grenadier? At the end of the day, those "white haitians" (an oxymoron if there was any), still treat you fils de Guinee as nothing more than dirt to scrub from their boots, and your politics are still out of bounds for blanc (vlan) people like them, cuz they will always be considered as meddlesome foreigners by the populace. If any, your own praise of them shows the grovelling nature of your character. As the american writer Jonathan Brown would say, being a white in Haiti is almost the same as being a jew in Europe during the Middle Ages, a group of people that is necessary to endure because without their financial, business and entrepreneurial skills the country would have sunk to the bottom of the seas, but that it's necessary to regard with suspicion whenever they show signs of wanting to trespass the limits imposed upon them. That lip service that they do according to you by calling themselves haitians amounts to nothing, in my humble opinion.
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 1:57 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Lautaro:
Maybe but in Les Cayes there were a lot of Haitian white folks as well. I knew a few, the Vorbe family.
The owners of Rum Barbancourt are French, you have the bankers The Brandts (German)
the Cassis family (Palestinian), and many others.
I never forget I was a little boy and my family used to love to drive to Haiti and visit the countryside
in Kenskoff where they grow peaches because of the cool weather.
We had an old US army surplus jeep and we use to adventure to drive in through rivers and such and I never forget one time nearing a river I saw the most beautiful Haitian white peasant girl with long blonde hair
bathing in the river half naked. That my friend's was a sight to behold that I never forgot.
Lautaro, talking about all these wonderful memories bring to the plate a point:
Why can't we just all get along like decent human beings instead of hungry and greedy predators?
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Nov 2008 2:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
As you might know for experience, generoso, there are too many blasted interests of the de facto powers in the way of that dream becoming a reality. Monopolies have been, are, and apparently always will be the ruin of this island. Until they're got rid of, this island is destined to be a "smugglers paradise", where the quickest way to success will always be the shortest and dangerous of all.
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 2:09 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
lautaro:
I hear you.
Did you know the big business there was or is bringing Haitian sugar cane cutters to work the
sugar harvest?
And you know who it was solely controlled by? Starting with Trujillo of course.
I know but I will not say it in public for fear of reprisals, you never know who is watching.
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Nov 2008 2:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I know what you mean. No matter how many times the newspapers talk about the "democracy" existing in the country, one just can't shake the feeling of being watched by the Leviathan, read, the state.
From: United States, New York City
"trust me you don't wanna fight with us.the sons of the men who free this island from the napoleon army"
Is this a myth that perpetuates itself on thise site or are most haitians really unaware that the last french troops, or the last of napoleon's armies, on the island were defeated by Dominicans under Sanchez Ramirez?
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Nov 2008 2:13 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
"Is this a myth that perpetuates itself on thise site or are most haitians really unaware that the last french troops, or the last of napoleon's armies, on the island were defeated by Dominicans under Sanchez Ramirez?"
And those armies were defeated by the hated hateros, no less, ciby. They were being led on that fateful encounter on Palo Hincado by none other than Pedro Santana sr., the father of the future caudillo and first president of the country. So much for the charge that they always rant about of the hateros being a spineless, grovelling group.
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 2:15 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
cibaeño:
and tell them on how a miniscule American special forces team of paratroopers took over and beat the living daylights of the big bad Ton Ton Macoute trained Haitian army in just a few days in the last US invasion.
I heard of a Haitian colonel who was captured dressed as a nun. What an ugly nun that was!
Hell the Dominican army has veterans of the worse fighting in Iraq near Falluja for heaven's sake,
just those 300 well armed soldiers can take over Haiti if need be in just a few days.
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 2:20 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
and guys one more thing:
When syphilitic Henri Christophe self proclaimed King of the Haitian North built the Citadelle near Cap Haitien at a cost
of over 10,000 slave lives that died building it thinking of being an impregnable fortress high on top of a hill guarding against the invading Napoleon armies.
What did the French do?: Just ignore assaulting the Citadelle, it had no strategic importance.
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Nov 2008 2:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
From what I have read, it was way worse during the first invasion on 1915, generoso. Back then, ALL the troops of the US expeditionary force hailed from ole Jim Crow South, a thing that would have made them even more merciless against the invaded populace, specially because many people on the South blamed the haitian revolution for paving the way for the destruction of their way of life represented by the "peculiar institution", read, slavery.
From: United States, New York City
"And those armies were defeated by the hated hateros, no less, ciby. They were being led on that fateful encounter on Palo Hincado by none other than Pedro Santana sr., the father of the future caudillo and first president of the country. So much for the charge that they always rant about of the hateros being a spineless, grovelling group."
Spineless?!? That wouldn't be a word I would use to describe them. WIthout political or scholastic formation would be a more apt description. Remember that the educated classes had left. There would be no Dominican counterparts to Colombia's Santander but there would be plenty of counterparts to Venezuela's Paez.
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Nov 2008 2:28 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I know, but that spineless charge always comes up on every haitian forum discussing the island's history. Talk about holding a grudge!!
From: United States, New York City
"What did the French do?: Just ignore assaulting the Citadelle, it had no strategic importance"
It's also possible that the French didn't invade precisely due to such fortifications.
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Nov 2008 2:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
"What did the French do?: Just ignore assaulting the Citadelle, it had no strategic importance"
It's also possible that the French didn't invade precisely due to such fortifications. "
If something, they learned the lesson that the natives taught them during the revolution, when they recklessly tried to assault the fort of Crete-a-Pierrot. The losses that the french sustained by the repeated sallies were such that they only would be able to carry the day by bombing and starving the garrison of the fort into submission.
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 2:34 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
ciabeño75:
No my friend they did invade and just took over the rest of the island and left the "Citadelle"
alone. Henri Christophe was so depressed after that he eventually shot himself with a silver bullet.
He must have considered himself an evil spirit, because as you know silver bullets are used in voo doo legend to kill evil spirits.
The French demanded and got years later millions of French francs in "War" reparations that effectively sank and bankrupted the Haitian economy for generations to come.
From: United States, New York City
"And demanded and got later millions of French francs in "War" reparations that effectively sank and bankrupted the Haitian economy for generations to come.
Henri Christophe was so depressed after that he eventually shot himself with a silver bullet."
Your timeline is skewed. Henri Christophe could not have possibly been despondent about the reparations to France as they became a fact under Boyer, years after Henri had ceased to exist on this earthly plain.
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 2:50 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Lautaro:
Precisely, is a pleasure to correspond at such a high level, thank you.
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 2:52 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
cibaeño75:
noticed I said "later" I just want to mention that point about the unjust reparations that the French made the Haitians pay any chance I get. It's extremely important.
The Henri comment should have come before that, sorry.
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Nov 2008 2:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
"Your timeline is skewed. Henri Christophe could not have possible been despondent about the reparations to France as they became a fact under Boyer, years after Henri had ceased to exist on this earthly plain."
The reason that moved him to commit suicide was the general desertion of the populace of his kingdom in the north, which was so tired of his despotic reign that they were migrating en masse to Petion's republic in the south, whose population was enjoying a more idle way of life. That laissez faire of Petion (and his idiotic measure of dviding the large plantations into small plots to pay his soldiers) would cost the country dearly, cuz' by these measures can be traced Haiti's economic decline, one that would be further accelerated when he and his successor (Boyer) agreed to pay those ruinous reparations.
From: United States, New York City
"No my friend they did invade and just took over the rest of the island and left the "Citadelle"
alone."
I do not know of any french invasions of Haiti that occured after Haitian independence was declared save for a few aborted attempts that were comical at best. If I'm mistaken then please enlighten me.
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 3:01 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
From: Dominican Republic
If Haitians are rats and we ruled your country for 22 years what does that make you Dominicans?
Yes very much lower than the Haitians. Even now because I have the history to prove it....We may not be all that but we sure own you fools. for a very long time....I think its only logical to say that we ruled the entire island officially for 22 years and unofficially for 19 years.
I'm horrible at math so help me do the math here people
1804 - 1822 Ruled the entire island unofficially for 19 years I would say
1822 - 1844 Ruled the entire island officially for 22 years I would say
1844 - Present: We are working on it......
From: United States, New York City
I dislike using wikipedia to prove a point but even in the article you cited you can see for yourself that there were no french invasions after haitian independence. Read from "Haiti as an independent republic" on.
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Nov 2008 3:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
"Yes very much lower than the Haitians. Even now because I have the history to prove it...."
Au contraire, mon ami. If something, that makes us higher, cuz' unlike you we started from zero to arrive to our present condition. You, on the other hand, committed the idiocy of destroying the sugar mills and subdividing the large plantations, which would transform a once thriving country that controlled the sugar and coffee markets of the world into nothing better than a large, inglorious maroon shantytown. Also, you should be grateful to the UK, cuz' if they hadn't blockaded the island's coasts when they did, Napoleon would have sent the whole of France to subdue the island, not a nice prospect in the least. If something, the maroon mentality of your authorities would deliver the control of the world's coffee and sugar markets on a silver platter to Brazil and Cuba, respectively.
From: Dominican Republic
HAITI IS THE BEST......GO HAITI, GO HAITI...IT'S YOUR BIRTHDAY.
We may not have been much but we sure was and still is better than youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu...
From: United States, New York City
"They were being led on that fateful encounter on Palo Hincado by none other than Pedro Santana sr., the father of the future caudillo and first president of the country. "
Supposedly, Pedro Santana the father took Ferrand's severed head with him in a basket back to his ranch in El Seibo. Pedro Santana Familias would cite his father arriving home with said head as one of his earliest memories. Tell me that won't leave an impression on a young mind!
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Nov 2008 3:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
If something, it served to prepare him for the carnage and massacres that would characterize his later life.
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 3:24 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Dominicanation:
You are sure having a good time trying to make fun of Dominicans, monsieur.
and what planes does the Haitian air force have?
Maybe a WW1 blimp that will drop Haitians on top of an extinct Do Do bird wielding a machete?
Dominican Tucano's planes equip with rockets will light up with cleansing fire your ugly bundá in less than a New York minute,
so you will run back as far as your dirt cookie propelled big ugly feet will take you!
U conne o u cest familiare que cest desshuké, mon ami?
From: United States, New York City
"If something, it served to prepare him for the carnage and massacres that would characterize his later life."
He was definitely out of control. The funny thing is that the man had no sense of history. Had he not given the country back to Spain through his machinations we would be speaking of Santana El Libertador today regardless of who he had ordered killed in the 1840s and 1850s. The idiot not only sold out his people, in the process he sold out his own legacy.
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 3:26 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
cibaeño75:
good point, my mistake.
From: United States, New York City
"and what planes does the Haitian air force have?"
Whatever happened to the Mirages that haiti had purchased under Baby Doc?
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 3:32 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
cibaeño75:
Haitian air force was disbanded officially in 1994.
To my knowledge they never had any Mirages unless they were toy planes.
They did have some F-51's at one time long ago.
Baby Doc maybe "tried" to get Mirages from the French but never did.
Can you imagine that?
BTW Baby Doc wasn't that bad after all considering what came after.
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 3:34 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Dominicanation:
You are sure having a good time trying to make fun of Dominicans, monsieur.
and what planes does the Haitian air force have?
Maybe a WW1 blimp that will drop Haitians on top of an extinct Do Do bird wielding a machete?
The Tucano's planes equip with rockets will light up with cleansing fire your ugly bundá in less than a New York minute,
so you will run back as far as your dirt cookie propelled big ugly feet will take you!
U conne o u cest familiare que cest desshuké, mon ami?
From: United States, New York City
"To my knowledge they never had any Mirages unless they were toy planes."
I'm certain they at least did at one point. I remember watching a news story mentioning French Mirage fighter aircraft in Haiti's air force. Mind you, I remember watching this in the 80s but I'm trusting my memory wholeheartedly. Maybe someone alse could shed some light on what became of these planes.
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 3:41 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
cibaeño75:
maybe they were visiting French air force or showing off to see if they could get a bite for purchase.
I don't think that they had any Mirages, maybe you "had a dream" or were smoking something bad.
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
Ciby, Generoso-
I worked in Haiti in 94-95 and had general access to the PAP airport among other things. I can attest that I saw not one, ONE, piece of Haitian Air Force equipment, plane, chopper, hot air baloon-nothing. As things progressed the UN donated the pickup trucks they had to the National Police. They went from being painted white to Green & Blue. Whatever vehicles they could not sell in the DRMO yard were also donated to the gvt..
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 3:53 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
texasshoe:
I know this for a fact also.
Haitian air force was disbanded officially in 1994.
They never had any Mirages.
They did have some F-51's at one time long ago.
The closes thing to a French Mirage 2000 would be a balsa and paper Haitian biplane Mirage look alike being powered by
50 strong Haitians pedaling all at once!
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
Generoso,
I Bv'wd at GTE was over all USFH DFAC's 23 in all. Worked close with class 1 & J4 FSA Actually enjoyed my time there. Worked until two weeks after handover from LOGCAP (USFORHAITI) to UNMIH.
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 4:15 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
texasshoe:
good for you!
I never had a bad time there either, it's really great if you keep your nose clean and closed!
From: Dominican Republic
LOL AIRPLANES We don't need no sticking airplanes. The French, the British, the Spaniards they all had an excellent Naval fleet but the Mighty Haiti did not were they not DEFEATED?
So what are you Dominicans going to do with those obsolete airplanes stay in the air forever?
Stay inside those submarines forever?
Stay inside those tanks forever?
Machines and guns do not kill it is a hard heart that kill and you Dominicans just don't have the guts. I'm sorry to say but you don't I don't care if your military had stealth bombers and Abraham Tanks you guys would still get a spanking from the mighty Haitians because your people are gutless and that my friends is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Being a warrior is not about being capable of killing the enemy a million miles away but having the ability to look at your enemy dead in the eyes and rip his freaking heart out and then eat it. ! Just talking about it make me wanna ummhhh! YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND.
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 7:13 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Dominicanation:
Well I can't remember killing someone and then eating his heart out, that I think I saw in an Indiana Jones movie.
BTW moron it's not Abraham tank is Abrams tank.
You are talking real ancient history with the French and the Spaniards and I really can't recall that far. What I can recall and the whole world was a witness is how the BIG BAD Ton Ton Macoute terrible "leopards" and all the elite Haitian army ran as far as their Haitian dirt cookie with dung mushrooms
fed legs when a few in number US paratroopers landed in Port Au Prince and Cape Haitien recently and cried for mercy hoisted the white flag from their underpants and surrendered their weapons.
A big bad Haitian colonel was arrested posing as an ugly Catholic nun.
So if this is the kind of "rip your heart out and eating it" resistance and fight that you guys are going to put up, then go ahead and have some more cleren to numb your already fried and fuzzy mind.
Written by: yumnuk3, 13 Nov 2008 8:01 PM
From: United States
Dominicanation, like your approach, now let's see your departure.
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 8:24 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
yumnuk3:
like all despots and murderous criminals some a..holes like Dominicanation think that big talk
will get them points. When the going gets tough these idiots that are valiant and strong murdering innocent civilians like the Haitian army and TTm's and torturing children that are tied down, put on women dresses and make up and run for their lives.
When the chips are down and when bullets are buzzing by you is the time that you have to make a decision. Either cry like a baby and beg for surrender like the Haitians did. Or put up an honorable fight to the death where the best man wins.
Ripping your heart out and eating it, what rubbish!
Talk is cheap more so coming from a total idiot.
Written by: yumnuk3, 13 Nov 2008 8:42 PM
From: United States
Generoso, Welcome to Derangement Syndrome!
From: Dominican Republic
See the fundamental difference between you and I is .....you have to make up stories about Haitian Men wearing makeups with no evidence to support your claim while I, I know for a FACT that your former president Trujillo wore make up for most of his life. Either he was openly gay or he wanted to be white which one is it? I think you know the answer.
Written by: generoso, 14 Nov 2008 10:25 AM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Domicanation:
Oh well if Trujillo was gay he for sure didn't like you Haitian stink factories very much!
Like he got rid of 37,000 in one week.
Don't change the subject you moronic imbecile, you are probably the missing link between
men and apes. The whole world watched how the BIG BAD Haitian army ran like children
going for chocolates when the few American army paratroopers landed in Haitian soil.
And your "leopards" took off their kaka soiled underpants and hoisted the white flag of surrender!
Anybody that flaunts about eating an enemy's heart out watching him die has no honor,
or a trace of chivalry as a soldier and a warrior. You are probably an ex-Ton Ton Macoute used to beating and torturing women and children.
And since now that you brought up the gay subject, I know many brave man that happen to be gay and you dear fungus are not even close to being brave or being in the same league.
You best bet is to exit this thread and go back to your stinky hole and hide TTM.
From: United States
yumnuk, you make repetitive reference to the antipathy between Jamaicans and Haitians . i suspect you are talking about a condition which exists in the USA, am i right? to the best of my knowledge, there is no haitian community in Jamaica to speak of, so i think you must be speaking of somewhere like New York. if that is the case, the wrath is not occasioned by anything insular, or racial. because of residential apartheid in the USA, most caribbean nationals end up living in juxtaposition with each other. sadly, in the early 1980s, the Haitian immigrants in New York peed off not only the Jamaicans, but just about all the residents of their respective catchment areas. it was a simple issue; they refused to operate motor vehicles with a drivers license and insurance. they would hit everything which was not moving faster than they were, and , when asked to provide documents, they all produced bogus documents, in which every body was Jean Pierre. i have many friends who had to eat
From: United States
the losses to their vehicles, because they could never get insurance information from haitians. i have friends who are cops, who had an interesting approach. they would pull over a haitian cab, and while one cop was writing the driver a handful of moving violation summonses, his partner was using a file to grind down the car keys. so, when the process was over, the guy could not get the car to start. but, the animosity is not rooted in anything but bad experiences. there are no deep sociological mysteries here!
From: Dominican Republic
Genero-so-sissy is sticking up for his former gay president oh! my. Whatever floats your boat buddy but I have to say this Trujillo was a fag that wore makeup to light up his skin so he can attract gay European men. Wasn't Trujillo's nephew Rubirosa also Bi-sexual no not the Rubi on this thread but the real Rubirosa, although I have my suspicion on the current Rubi myself but I'm not going to speculate.
Written by: generoso, 14 Nov 2008 3:39 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Dominicanation or should I call you gay basher consumer of dung flavored dirt cookies and live heart eater?
Give some educated rebuttals to my posts. I refuse to communicate about these sorry teenager
subjects "Trujillo and Rubirosa were fags", preposterous and ridiculous!
Only statements like these from a distorted and sick mind that has not found his hanging protuberances because the doctor was confused when you were born and thought he had either
a hermafrodite or an eunuch being born for your evident lack of testicular fortitude.
Go back to your Ton Ton Macoute buddies that raised the white flag of surrender and cried like babies for forgiveness when the good old USA army invaded your country recently and disbanded the elite "leopards" that were a terror to the unarmed and defenseless population.
These "heroes" descendants of Boyer and Dessalines saw the American soldiers all of a sudden their underpants turned brown and they quickly ran.
From: Haiti
looollllllllllllllllllllllllll....Oh my God. How stupid is Generoso. I d like to see his face to see what this man look like, for real. That there was another french invasion after the Independance, that a small division of the US army defeat the tonton macoute....you silly. there was no other french invasion, boy. And if the US army didn't come taken the Tonton Macoute out of the country the people would have done it because they didn't want them no more. And you r so silly to think that 5 planes can defeat Haiti. i know you must be shitting in your pants behind your computer when you r postings these comments and if you'r not it s just because you r an IGNORANT.
Written by: Lautaro, 14 Nov 2008 4:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Look who's talking about loud. Even though your people are relatively easy to identify, the thing that gives them away to migration inspectors is the fact that you seem incapable of walking through the streets of the capital without shouting to each other in your lingo. If you don't believe me, take a walk throughout Churchill ave. on Santo Domingo, to see that, if something, we dominicans should be accused of being too lenient with your people, because it's not true that the european countries and the US would let your people croud their avenues selling wares disrupting the traffic flow nor disrupt the tranquility of their neighbourhoods by your ceaseless shouting in kreyol.
From: Haiti
come on Lautaro,you lying...i know I offensed you as a Dominican. I m sorry but the thruth is the thruth my friend.admit it. if you say something truth about haitian people I'll admit it also...okay.
From: Dominican Republic
I've been trying to explain that to them for the longest time...My people maybe poor at least we have our dignity our women might be cooking dirt cookies for diner at least you don't see them selling theirselves out in the streets like the Dominican women have. The Dominican Rep ranked number 4 in the world in prostitution with a combined population of 9 million in order to be ranked #4 in the world in comparison to the other countries there has to be a good 3+ million women involve in prostitution. and that number excludes the legion of Dominican Prostitutes found in PAP and the 700,000 in Suriname and the the 500,000 in the Netherlands We are poor but we have dignity.
From: Dominican Republic
LAT if you hear my people shouting they are shouting at you with a big KOLAN GET MANMAN"W but when I hear your women shouting in my avenues they are shouting Mr, Mr, sucky, sucky 5 gourde, Mr. please cinqo gourde only sucky, sucky me love you long time.
From: Haiti
lolollllll....oh yeah you say it Dominicanation....I hope the'y ll understand it now. but I m afraid that they won't 'cause you need brain for that. ya heard Generoso...lol
Written by: Lautaro, 14 Nov 2008 5:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Just walk through any construction on Santo Domingo and you'll find that, if something, you can't seem to communicate without shouting like raving maniacs, even when talking with a cellphone.
From: United States, New York City
Lautaro why do you choose to go back and forth with these simpletons? I appeal to your intellect when I say in all respect that this entire exchange between yourself and these mental midgets is beneath you. There ignorance is apparent for all to see without you having to point anything out or countering anything. If they can feel good about there nationalities by typing a few lines on some website then more power to them. Let them have whatever small victories that they can procure from life.
From: Haiti
don't blame me ciba you'r doing the same thing, and I m not here to post bad things about Dominicans, but when you'r calling us mental midgets you just prove your uneducation....I m out of here.
Written by: Lautaro, 14 Nov 2008 5:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
At least I'm not a grovelling brown-noser like you. What's up, monsieur Macoute? are you afraid of the tongue lashing that cibaeño might give you if you dare insult the DR in his presence? spineless coward. This only proves generoso's point of you macoutes being a cowardly lot once the white man cavalry arrives to repay you in full for beating women and children.
From: Haiti
don't blame me ciba you'r doing the same thing, and I m not here to post bad things about Dominicans, but when you'r calling us mental midgets you just prove your uneducation....I m out of here.
From: Dominican Republic
At least I'm not a grovelling brown-noser like you. What's up, monsieur Macoute? are you afraid of the tongue lashing that cibaeño might give you if you dare insult the DR in his presence? spineless coward.
IS THAT THE BEST COME BACK YOU CAN THINK OF? Sad, Sad, Sad anyway go to forum so I can finish destroying you there.
From: United States, New York City
"but when you'r calling us mental midgets you just prove your uneducation...."
Perhaps, but notice how I referred to you directly as a mental midget as opposed to your people as a whole. As a matter of fact I didn't even directly call you a mental midget. I alluded to it and you wore the shoe because it fit. Maybe you've achieved a level of education where mine pales in comparison but I have enough of an education, or at the very least the sense and decency, to make a distinction between an individual and a group of people.
From: United States, "La matabugas, matabocones, matacobardes y azarosos".
Dominicannation,
it bothers you that the hookers area charging 5 taking your money, when your women "the no hookers in DR" are willing to blow for free!! They will die for a Dominican petardo. They are so dammed ugly!! Who wants them!!
From: United States, "La matabugas, matabocones, matacobardes y azarosos".
Dominicanation,
Back in Haiti, You do not even have machetes, they been melted to be taken for soup.
This most bee done immediately, all comments like these posted by Haitians like the one coming from Dominicanation should be published in all newspapers, and TV messages, it is the right for the Dominican People to see what some Haitians are thinking. That would be the very good starting point to stop this malignant immigration.
You do not even like the name Haity, you call yourself Dominican nation!
Written by: generoso, 14 Nov 2008 7:22 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Guys and girls please!
The Haitian retards are incapable of intelligent exchanges. They resort to name calling, racial and sexist remarks and talking about Dominican "working girls" in Puerto Prince making a living because the Haitian women are so ugly and stink a mile away that not even the Haitians want them!
The problem is that after eating all the dirt cookies mixed with mushrooms they are living in cloud
9 with the "cow dung effect" and they just talk rubbish and resort to below the belt racist or sexist
slander.
Do not waste your time with these vermin, they need to be fumigated or to be deshuké like they say and uprooted and ejected back to their ravished motherland where not a tree stands.
Or even better they need the spare tire around their body solution that they brought from Africa
where you put a nice used spare car tire around their arms and then pour some gasoline on the tire and light a match. How wonderful fried Haitian in the morning smells like!
From: United States, "La matabugas, matabocones, matacobardes y azarosos".
Dominicanation,
Last week i would not believe that I was going to feel the way I am feeling now since listening to you. I heard people talking about how Haitians think, you just proved it.
So, please, please do not stop provoking us or stop expressing the the way Haitians feel, everyone keep on responding to Dominicanation, we Dominicans have to let Dominicanation keep on spitting out his venom, we need to hear that, we need to feed our anger the Dominican people anger, we need to print all his comments, and post them in every newpaper, colmado, corner of every campo, every bar, every school, every car transportation, post them in every street tree we see, every every where, that we waken up the people, this is perfect timing.
Written by: kmnupe, 14 Nov 2008 7:57 PM
From: United States, NYC
LAUTARO,
Not to be condescending. Man, what happened? I've been reading posts from guys like you, JabaoHaitiano, dreadlocks and others for almost a year now. That inspired me to keep coming back and eventually join.
Negativity is a cancer. You know that.
Written by: kmnupe, 14 Nov 2008 8:14 PM
From: United States, NYC
People. The internet is a microcosm of our communities.
In my neighborhood, Haitians outnumber Dominicans like 30 to 1. Should I circulate the posts that I read on the net around and pass them off as the Dominican populace's views?
Mind you, I've known some of my Dominican neighbors for about 10yrs.
People who consider themselves "good people" should not be involved with such trivial nonsense.
When bloodshed happens, it's not Haitians, Jamaicans, Dominicans and Americans that die. None of us unless we are mothers are responsible for bringing life here. We are more than nationalities
These are the universe's children, God's children.
I read a post by Tupaupapau saying that everyone wil never get along and there's no singing Kumbaya, but, remember...
TO WHOM MUCH IS GIVEN, MUCH IS REQUIRED!!!
From: Dominican Republic
Popobouda said: Dominicanation, alias hate yourself ogre, as I said before who wants your Shrekettes, (from Skrek the movie) stinking women.
POPOBOUDA Is that your way of justifying your prostitutes act? Whatever floats your boat buddy...The only feed back I'm getting from this is that maybe you have some close to you in the business I don't know but thats the vibe I'm getting. It's okay you can defend a friend or a family member if that's their profession I'm not hating I just think that they should only behave like that in their own country, only in Santo Dominigo. I don't want them negatively influencing the angelic children of Haiti if you know what I mean we Haitians have better morals then that...We actually dont want our daughter to grow up and become prostitutes like the daughters of those living next door if you know where I mean. Any way child about you printing my comments nationwide I think that's a great idea...Matter of fact I think that's a wonderful idea I want to
Written by: kmnupe, 14 Nov 2008 8:23 PM
From: United States, NYC
DOMINICANATION, I don't want to to fight, but, man what's the point? This is their domain and you're a guest.
Maybe you like to rile people up, but, remember, WORDS ARE NEVER HARMLESS.
Written by: generoso, 14 Nov 2008 8:24 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Dominicanation:
There you go again! Sexist innuendos.
Since you represent the voo doo world we need to have our crosses and stakes handy to stick them in your hate heart full of anger, misery and mucus.
Don't you wonder why the Haitian country has been cursed by God and has so much disaster, famine and misery going your way always?
It's because of salopries like you.
You are just so overmatched and ridiculed when you try to spare with the white light, so why don't you just give it up! Don't you carry any shame left on your sorry being?
Now you are picking on our women like poponlaburra and even then you fight dirty.
How sorry I am how that people like you are so full of hate or better "things" like you.
I will pray for your soul.
U pa conprend? U est un mun net soit, misié.
From: Dominican Republic
Genero I have one word for you AYIBOBO! Say it with me AYIBOBO... I'm going to convert you to Voodooism. YOU WILL BELIEVE.
From: United States, "La matabugas, matabocones, matacobardes y azarosos".
Dominicanation,
I wonder why you suggested for me to crawl back under whatever rock I came from? ah?? oooooH!! how scary ooooh...the cuco came out oooh!! Aren't everyone in this site underground, or are you using your real name Dominicanation alias hate your self? Actually going or staying underground is a great idea higher chances to awaken the Dominican population on Haitians motives.
According to you "The little idiot is suggesting that my comments ought to be published in all newspapers and TV ads, lol that's the most imbecilic idea I've ever heard....You are actually making generoso and that cibaneo dude look good" oh? Now you ideas should not be hear! They sounds imbecilic idea now? uao!uao! I am loving it!
From: United States, "La matabugas, matabocones, matacobardes y azarosos".
Interesting, you sound kind of scared alias Hate your self" That is the vibe I am getting from you!!Ah?? You have to try other method of intimidation other than the prostitutes, Dubi, with what money do Haitians pay? with the Flintstones rock pesos? Je, je,je
Actually, I am disappointed at you, I was expecting more of your explicit ideas, dubi hate yourself.
I must say, you are not afraid of Dominicans that is for sure, but you are afraid of your own people who will lynch you for bringing this to them.
You are a very convincing moving guy, who every Dominican in this site should not take slightly, look at who you have awaken!! The Beast is Awaken, you really moved some Dominicans, and for that I thank you. It was time. And I dare you to carry with your sayings, indirectly you are doing us a favor. “Coman baby light my fire”.
So, little pussy cat, what else did you say Haitians are going to do to Dominicans? Can’t wait.
From: Dominican Republic
poponalaburra.....You have no idea who you are dealing with child...In your weak pathetic little mind you are imagining a black man but in fact I'm Haitian but I don't look it I can move around in your Dominican world as I please undetected to most since your people can only see what;s on the surface Ah!! Child leave it alone, leave it alone. I'm just too much for you. And yes I do speak your language and yes I do own a home in both Haiti and DR.
From: Dominican Republic
Anything else you would like to know since I find you very amusing for now!
From: United States
136 posts, and still going strong. are there any investors out there? i have an idea for a radio station; 24 hours of Dominican-Haitian insults and rejoinders. only problem is that nobody would do any work; they would be glued to the radio 24/7
From: Dominican Republic
lol we should have a TV show instead. Where A Haitian Family vs a Dominican Family will compete in every thing I mean everything. From IQ tests to personal grooming I'm dead serious that show would take off in a heart beat.
From: Dominican Republic
If you do a radio show the FCC would shut you down in a heart beat but on TV you'll be able to get away with more....
Written by: antonioj, 15 Nov 2008 12:31 AM
From: Canada, home safe
Dreadlock, more traffics more money.
From: United States, "La matabugas, matabocones, matacobardes y azarosos".
Everyone please see RE: Haitian Invasion of the Dominican Republic. See what Dominicanation has posted. This is a very serious matter. You'll be perplexed. Not to give him importance, but we have a case to justify the Haitian exodus from DR, Hatian insulgence.
Dominicanation, I do not give a shet about you, the point that if you are in DR infiltrated and surpassing as a Dominican is even better.
So you mean that you do not look Haitian? That explain why you talked like that. You think you'll never get caught? If I was you, and I cared about my people, I will never talk about my enemies like that knowing my people are at their mercy in their country. What do you think? That Dominicans will not retaliate after reading what you wrote?
From: United States, "La matabugas, matabocones, matacobardes y azarosos".
I guess you are right that you are not the typical looking Haitian, maybe you are one of the elites that has no idea what the real Haitians are really going thru? And then you are instigating the people who feed them? Believe me when time comes your guilt will turn you in. Your damage in in-reversible.
Pat yourself on the shoulders, job well done jack ass.
Please see what Dominicanation posts in RE: Haitian Invasion of the Dominican Republic pass it around do not take him slightly. It is pretty disturbing. Paste and send to 10 to 15 people to pass on and return to you. This is a good beginning.
From: United States, "La matabugas, matabocones, matacobardes y azarosos".
DOMINICANATION,
TRUST ME i DO WANT TO KNOW Anything else ABOUT YOU JUST KEEP ON SAYING WHAT YOU WERE SAYING: IF YOU WANT THE AUTHENTIC MODEL OF THE REAL FLAG I CAN SHOW IT TO YOU>...WHY SETTLE FOR THE REJECT WHEN YOU CAN HAVE THE GENUINE VERSION. THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT TO AIM FOR THE PURE GENUINE, AUTHENTIC HAITIAN FLAG...."
And sahow a Haitian flag!
Chicking out on me ? EH? ALIAS HATE YOUR SELF.
I amusing MYSELF today too!! If I was you looking for revenge I would act like the Japanese or the Germans towards the American, exceeding themselves.
From: United States, "La matabugas, matabocones, matacobardes y azarosos".
and dominicanation kept on saying the following:
if you want the authentic model of the real flag i can show it to you>...why settle for the reject when you can have the genuine version. this is what you want to aim for the pure genuine, authentic haitian flag....
now if you want to see a real coat of arms where real arms are shown not just some book and a few colors with so branch tree hanging on to it then you might want to take a look at a real coat of arm which will look like this. you see where haitians are coming from we have real guns with knives, real cannons with big balls, did i mention cannons with big balls. even our flag pole is a spear just in case we run out of bullets on the battlefield our troops can stab you to death. now that"s a real coat of arm. and if you take a look at your right side you will see a little green pot seating on top of a cannon this is our magic pot just in case we can't kill you with the guns we can combine a good old poison reciper or some vo
From: United States, "La matabugas, matabocones, matacobardes y azarosos".
and dominicanation kept on saying the following:
this is our magic pot just in case we can't kill you with the guns we can combine a good old poison reciper or some voodoo herbs that would mess up your whole day....yeah that's a real men coat of arm,,,i know you see the taino's hatchets, yeah buddy know this the last of the mohicans the last of the true taino warriors fought alongside of us with the neg mawon's and before their poor souls were extinct they taught us how to scalp a head yeah buddy this is indeed a real men;s coat of of arm not some reject curtains with a stupid book and some tree branch.
this is our magic pot just in case we can't kill you with the guns we can combine a good old poison reciper or some voodoo herbs that would mess up your whole day....yeah that's a real men coat of arm,,,
From: United States, "La matabugas, matabocones, matacobardes y azarosos".
And Dominicanation kept on saying the following:
I KNOW YOU SEE THE TAINO'S HATCHETS, YEAH BUDDY KNOW THIS THE LAST OF THE MOHICANS THE LAST OF THE TRUE TAINO WARRIORS FOUGHT ALONGSIDE OF US WITH THE NEG MAWON'S AND BEFORE THEIR POOR SOULS WERE EXTINCT THEY TAUGHT US HOW TO SCALP A HEAD YEAH BUDDY THIS IS INDEED A REAL MEN;S COAT OF OF ARM NOT SOME REJECT CURTAINS WITH A STUPID BOOK AND SOME TREE BRANCH.
These are some of the many comments comming from Dominicanation and friends that should be printed, I am pretty sure such comments will infururate most Dominicans.
To see the rest of his comments see Hatian invation forum.
Written by: generoso, 15 Nov 2008 2:23 AM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
popon:
Go to bed sweetie, these guys never play by the rules, they hit below the belt, they are vulgarians and worse of all very ignorant and full of hate.
Do not spend your valuable energy with these midgets in mind and compassion. They are scavengers, and like criminals and deranged folks you can not reason with them, because their mind is sick and warped.
It is like when you beat a poor puppy and keep beating him every day until adulthood, and that's what happened to the poor Haitians. But we have to be on guard, because they are evil, they have bad intentions, they are black magic and voo doo followers and they are proud of their sick religion that God has put a curse on.
Surround yourself with white light and forget these people. The rest of the world has forgotten them too, because they are a race that has been damned. And they have brought all this bad karma back to them like a boomerang.
Good night, and sleep well. Bless.
From: United States, "La matabugas, matabocones, matacobardes y azarosos".
Thanks Generoso,
Actually I am happy to hear their venom.
Good night too.
From: United States
antonioj, how about Dominian-Haitian JEOPARDY? that would be a great TV half hour! settle a lot of issues in a few hours. then again , a lot of other issues would be raised, too. any takers?
Written by: generoso, 15 Nov 2008 11:06 AM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Dominicanation:
When the Chilean survivors of the plane accident in the frozen mountains ate flesh. They were not branded as cannibals, they were called survivors.
If some desperate boat people eat the flesh of a companion who has died from starvation, that is surviving.
To make fun of an unfortunate event such as a desperate effort to survive in the ocean and try to make racist superiority comparisons is really sick and denotes a perverted mind.
You have sank to the lowest level a sub-human can sink to. You even professed your delight in eating live uncooked flesh, a ritual so disgusting not even the worse man eaters have practiced.
The only thing left for your kind instead of vomiting your disgusting venom and causing more
destruction and havoc is to terminate yourself out of this world were you will enter into the 7 TH hell that Dante
described as the worst, specially reserved for voo doo monsters like yourself.
Not all Haitians are despicable like you portray thank God.
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
Generoso,
When I worked in Haiti, I met and worked with some wonderful people. Hear hear !!!
From: Dominican Republic
When the Chilean survivors of the plane accident in the frozen mountains ate flesh. They were not branded as cannibals, they were called survivors.
If some desperate boat people eat the flesh of a companion who has died from starvation, that is surviving.
To make fun of an unfortunate event such as a desperate effort to survive in the ocean and try to make racist superiority comparisons is really sick and denotes a perverted mind.
I'M SIMPLY THE MONSTER YOU DOMINICANS HAVE CREATED
From: Dominican Republic
So now it's disgusting? How about when a few poor Haitians cross over to your side of the land try to make a better life for themvelves you call them INVADERS. but when the drug dealing Colombians come you welcome them as immigrants. But then the Nicaraguans come to your land you welcome them with open arms.
Now you see where I'm coming from....Look closer in the mirror Generoso the monster that you see in front of you is not ME it is YOU.
Written by: kmnupe, 15 Nov 2008 12:16 PM
From: United States, NYC
GUYS, This is my last post on this.
You guys are responding to this guy as if he's been appointed ambassador and speaks for 10 million people.
It's either you hate or dislike a group or you don't. One person's actions cannot give you a window into another's mind.
I don't see a widespread boycott of American television, products and "white" businesses after REGIS PHILBIN'S faux pas in front of millions and millions of people.
Geez, maybe 2% or less of the Haitians in DR own a computer. I don't see their posts.
Written by: generoso, 15 Nov 2008 12:23 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
texasshoe:
I met some wonderful and charitable Haitians. Really high and enlightened beings like Jean Dominique a martyr that was running radio Inter and was murdered by the dark forces.
Dr. Heriberto Pieter, another saint that was running the oncology clinic. and many many more.
There are good and bad in all countries. The problem with Haitians has always being their racism, intolerance and lack of compassion.
The elite in Haiti are the worst and most selfish exploiters of ignorance. Some of them are corresponding here like Dominicanation who gloats about having houses in DR and Haiti and just spends his energy further lighting the divisions that separate us. Instead of being thankful he has electricity and a computer to express his twisted opinions he just throws more cinders in the fire.
They do nothing to alleviate the suffering of their own peoples, they are like rampant marauders
and carpet baggers at the end of the American civil war.
We can only feel sorry for them.
From: Dominican Republic
Generoso this is your problem you don;t know anything about anything..The more the relationship between Haiti and DR remain like this the more money I make....P.S. What have you done to counter my negativity? What have you done to prevent people like me don't succeed. NOTHING. Until you can make a difference you shouldnt be talking....I'm making a difference every day I'm making sure that Haitians and Dominicans continue to hate each other? What have you done?
Written by: generoso, 15 Nov 2008 3:38 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Dominicanation:
How can you make money out of people hating each other?
Please enlighten me, I can only guess:
Is it to spread the lie about the flu fever in the Dominican poultry and eggs so that merchants can sell the Haitians more expensive imported chicken and eggs?
I am getting warm?
How do you make money out of hate and make a difference? Selling illegal arms?
Getting real hot I guess.
From: United States, "La matabugas, matabocones, matacobardes y azarosos".
Dominicanation, "I'M SIMPLY THE MONSTER YOU DOMINICANS HAVE CREATED"
I am glad you admitted that you are a monster, a desease that need to be de-rooted from DR land!! (And you represent Haitains, I am sure they love you).
You ask "What have you done?" As I said before this is the begigining and you said too much, blabber mouth. Again the Haitians must be loving you, you are really giving Dominicans a chance to do something. Ity's almost funny.
Written by: generoso, 15 Nov 2008 4:10 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
poponlaburra:
We have effectively castrated this malignant Haitian bigot and have him doing penance and mea culpa's and
running for cover.
Dominicanation:
Watch yourself you conducting your hate business, you are not safe even in the net. So don't think for a minute that you are safe with your alias and can't be located in a few minutes. Be careful, you might be accused of spreading guan guangua and be deported back to Haiti and me and popon will impound your house in DR and donate it to the Haitian orphans.
Written by: generoso, 15 Nov 2008 7:26 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Dominicanation:
No need to present us wih anything.
We got you covered already.
We are watching you....closely. Look out the window.
From: Dominican Republic
I live in DR you fool.
Written by: generoso, 15 Nov 2008 8:55 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Domincanation:
we know you do! we have your exact location and have you in our cross hairs!
From: United States, "La matabugas, matabocones, matacobardes y azarosos".
Generoso,
We have castrated him, indeed. I wonder what drug he was intoxicated with, in his lulu land home.
Ja, ja, jee, DOMINICANATION, thank you for telling us you have lots of money and business, excellent!! excellent!!excellent!! now we could put a price on your head using your own financial assets. The military love that. Haitians should be inform as well of that too, hey they get you, turn you in, could use that money that you say you have. And let me tell you when people are hungry their animalistic instinct prevails over humans one.
It does not matter wher you live. After 9/11 internet threat could be traced any where, anywhere. Didn't you know that lululand head?
Written by: generoso, 16 Nov 2008 7:00 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
poponlaburra:
excellent work comrade, we finally located this vermin and his imbecile public confession....
Now is time for Dominican army sargent Gata-gas "the Haitian eater" do his work, he will take his time, very slowly and enjoy eating a confessed Haitian cannibal even more!
This is how we can uproot the Haitian vermin (deshuké) from our motherland, sweet talk them,
lure them , locate them and then turn it over to the professional Haitian fumigators!
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How would we feel if a Spanish mob started beating up DOminicans? WOuld we not demand the Spanish authorities to take steps to punish the perpetrators and safeguard the rights of DOminicans in Spain? and how would we react if they didn't.
We need to treat each person as a Human Being, which entails political, social, economic, and cultural rights, regardless of where they were born. This "war of one against all" will only lead our society to one end, social disorder and political catastrophe.
Well said. Haiti can use all of the aid they can stand and to turn it down not once but twice is just plain stupid.
La haîne que vous avez contre nous ne vous permettra pas d'avancer. Il faut essayer au moins de laisser vos rencûnes dans le passé. Il faut reconnaître que la solution de vos problèmes n'est pas en RD.
SVP gardez vos gens avec vous, en RD il y a rien pour eux. Nous les Dominicains n'avons pas de chance non plus. Nous avons beaucoup de pauvrété et des problèmes, et si vous continuez tous à venir, nous pourrons jamais avancer. Allez vous en vers les USA, le Canada ou la France si vous désirez quitter votre beau pays. Nous vous souhaîtons le mieux. Mais nous ne pouvons pas accepter que vous essayez de tâcher notre nom dans les yeux de la communaté internationale. Cela ne vous apportera rien. Sonya Pierre je parle à vous et à tous vos complices.
Dominicanation: You Don't Need US... WELL THEN GET YOUR 2,000,000 MILLION OF BROTHAS AND SISTAS OUR OF MY COUNTRY
Your anger doesn;t reflect with your people's actions... Loser
Your gov. can start by arresting those that were responsible for burning down 50 houses and killing 3 Haitian citizens in the countryside of DR last month. That's a good place to start.
LAT: I know my fate and I'm ready and willing to die... Bones heal, chics dig scars, pain is only temporary but GLORY is forever. and like i said before CarlosFranco when your gov. start policing their prostitutes out of my Capital then I will retreat my legion of beggars back to the motherland.
"We don't need help from them at the moment. What makes you think that we are going to let them come help us in our own country when they can't even help our people in their own country."
Explain to me why it is in the interest of the Dominican Government to help the illegal Haitians in the DR ahead of their own population.
By the way Dominicanation or Haitianation is a re-action to the action of some of the hatred posting geared toward Haitians, we should learn to ignore these half brainers on both sides.
How come the Haitians rejected the aid? Why?
Why all the patriotism and call to arms from some Haitian readers?
Translation: It is beautiful to DIE for the fatherland, It is beautiful to die for the country, It is beautiful to die for the (Haitian) flag. I love war" And so on and so forth.
Are we at war by any chance with Haiti?
If we are God help you people, because this time you will encounter the wrath of many Dominicans that have plenty of cojones and know how to use a machete well, and
that are tired of feeding you while you always biting their hand and despising them.
You are sure full of hate, that is why you attract like a magnet all the bad karma back to you.
Dominicans are not to blamed for the Haitian misery, Haitians are to be blamed!
Good for you!
Maybe they will rename Haiti, instead of land of the mountains,
Haiti ...........fill in the blanks.
the guy doesn't speak for all haitians, his problems with dominicans come from a failed relationship with a dominican woman that took all his money and then play him like the retard he is.
all of his rumblings nonsense towards D.R started when he came home from driving a taxi in brooklyn and found his dominican wife gone with all his furniture.
haitianation if u want to keep your dominican woman next time just use deodorant.
bonje apoteyeu
Big difference between consenting adults and defensless children.
But nontheless either one isn't a pretty sight...
haitian1804
Wow, I am really scared!
First of all I am one for peace and love. I have been in too many wars.
Second of all if the Haitians drunk with cleren and influenced from eating too many dirt cookies
with cow dung mushrooms ever invaded the DR with bad intentions, my friend they will run into a formidable brick wall so
sturdy and strong and me manning the .50 caliber that
your tsunami will fizzle and turn back to Haiti to destroy you all.
Now don't get me started I was in a good mood.
etiennec where are you, please put a leash on this guy!
Those communities you mentioned I know well they hold the main business arteries in Haiti.
You forgot some French that own businesses, Germans, Italians.
But these "business elite" are convenience Haitians because they hold a Haitian passport and they speak Creole, but unlike the Dominican immigrant population who have immersed themselves in
Dominican politics (Jacobo Magluta was president after Guzman shot himself, he was Lebanese and I can quote many other politicians, military, congress, senators, et all.
These immigrant white Haitians do not participate in Haitian politics as they are "off limits" to whites.
You will have to do a survey and ask them if they would want to do that if ever allowed to enter politics, but I doubt it
since they are mainly focused in making more money for themselves and do not feel that they are fully integrated as Haitians with political ambitions.
I stayed at the El Rancho hotel for a couple of weeks in '95 when I was demobilizing my staff for the work we did for the UN mission. Don't forget the Deduskies {sp} or the others, like the owners of Canape Verte Hospital, the trucking company that has exclusive rights to move items from the port in PAP, or the stevedore company that has exclusive rights to unload cargo not only in PAP but in Isle Tortuge, Cap Haitian and Les Caye, the owners of the American food mart, or the Carribean store. All white, most born there but dual citizens with Haitian being the second not first. When I was there I was told that there are seven families, all European / Middle Eastern, who effectivly run the country. Not through politics but by stranglehold on the companies that make the country function. El Rancho is a beautiful hotel or was, nice little casino.
There was another fellow that I'm commonly mistaken for I read some of his past arguments he was a good citizen I think he went by the name of ron1804 as well. The 1804 boys are coming out...
Anyway what is this post about again/ oh yeah. Charlito Baker was once my neighbor. Not a bad person from what I can tell funny thing is the fundamental difference between the white Haitians and the white Dominicans is . The White Haitians always call themselves Haitians while the white Dominicans called themselves Spaniards. WHY IS THAT? I think its because they are ashame of Dominicans like you. White Haitians get offended when they are mistakenly taken for a French or an American while the white
Maybe but in Les Cayes there were a lot of Haitian white folks as well. I knew a few, the Vorbe family.
The owners of Rum Barbancourt are French, you have the bankers The Brandts (German)
the Cassis family (Palestinian), and many others.
I never forget I was a little boy and my family used to love to drive to Haiti and visit the countryside
in Kenskoff where they grow peaches because of the cool weather.
We had an old US army surplus jeep and we use to adventure to drive in through rivers and such and I never forget one time nearing a river I saw the most beautiful Haitian white peasant girl with long blonde hair
bathing in the river half naked. That my friend's was a sight to behold that I never forgot.
Lautaro, talking about all these wonderful memories bring to the plate a point:
Why can't we just all get along like decent human beings instead of hungry and greedy predators?
I hear you.
Did you know the big business there was or is bringing Haitian sugar cane cutters to work the
sugar harvest?
And you know who it was solely controlled by? Starting with Trujillo of course.
I know but I will not say it in public for fear of reprisals, you never know who is watching.
Is this a myth that perpetuates itself on thise site or are most haitians really unaware that the last french troops, or the last of napoleon's armies, on the island were defeated by Dominicans under Sanchez Ramirez?
And those armies were defeated by the hated hateros, no less, ciby. They were being led on that fateful encounter on Palo Hincado by none other than Pedro Santana sr., the father of the future caudillo and first president of the country. So much for the charge that they always rant about of the hateros being a spineless, grovelling group.
and tell them on how a miniscule American special forces team of paratroopers took over and beat the living daylights of the big bad Ton Ton Macoute trained Haitian army in just a few days in the last US invasion.
I heard of a Haitian colonel who was captured dressed as a nun. What an ugly nun that was!
Hell the Dominican army has veterans of the worse fighting in Iraq near Falluja for heaven's sake,
just those 300 well armed soldiers can take over Haiti if need be in just a few days.
When syphilitic Henri Christophe self proclaimed King of the Haitian North built the Citadelle near Cap Haitien at a cost
of over 10,000 slave lives that died building it thinking of being an impregnable fortress high on top of a hill guarding against the invading Napoleon armies.
What did the French do?: Just ignore assaulting the Citadelle, it had no strategic importance.
Spineless?!? That wouldn't be a word I would use to describe them. WIthout political or scholastic formation would be a more apt description. Remember that the educated classes had left. There would be no Dominican counterparts to Colombia's Santander but there would be plenty of counterparts to Venezuela's Paez.
It's also possible that the French didn't invade precisely due to such fortifications.
It's also possible that the French didn't invade precisely due to such fortifications. "
If something, they learned the lesson that the natives taught them during the revolution, when they recklessly tried to assault the fort of Crete-a-Pierrot. The losses that the french sustained by the repeated sallies were such that they only would be able to carry the day by bombing and starving the garrison of the fort into submission.
No my friend they did invade and just took over the rest of the island and left the "Citadelle"
alone. Henri Christophe was so depressed after that he eventually shot himself with a silver bullet.
He must have considered himself an evil spirit, because as you know silver bullets are used in voo doo legend to kill evil spirits.
The French demanded and got years later millions of French francs in "War" reparations that effectively sank and bankrupted the Haitian economy for generations to come.
Henri Christophe was so depressed after that he eventually shot himself with a silver bullet."
Your timeline is skewed. Henri Christophe could not have possibly been despondent about the reparations to France as they became a fact under Boyer, years after Henri had ceased to exist on this earthly plain.
Precisely, is a pleasure to correspond at such a high level, thank you.
noticed I said "later" I just want to mention that point about the unjust reparations that the French made the Haitians pay any chance I get. It's extremely important.
The Henri comment should have come before that, sorry.
The reason that moved him to commit suicide was the general desertion of the populace of his kingdom in the north, which was so tired of his despotic reign that they were migrating en masse to Petion's republic in the south, whose population was enjoying a more idle way of life. That laissez faire of Petion (and his idiotic measure of dviding the large plantations into small plots to pay his soldiers) would cost the country dearly, cuz' by these measures can be traced Haiti's economic decline, one that would be further accelerated when he and his successor (Boyer) agreed to pay those ruinous reparations.
alone."
I do not know of any french invasions of Haiti that occured after Haitian independence was declared save for a few aborted attempts that were comical at best. If I'm mistaken then please enlighten me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Haiti
No problem.
Yes very much lower than the Haitians. Even now because I have the history to prove it....We may not be all that but we sure own you fools. for a very long time....I think its only logical to say that we ruled the entire island officially for 22 years and unofficially for 19 years.
I'm horrible at math so help me do the math here people
1804 - 1822 Ruled the entire island unofficially for 19 years I would say
1822 - 1844 Ruled the entire island officially for 22 years I would say
1844 - Present: We are working on it......
Au contraire, mon ami. If something, that makes us higher, cuz' unlike you we started from zero to arrive to our present condition. You, on the other hand, committed the idiocy of destroying the sugar mills and subdividing the large plantations, which would transform a once thriving country that controlled the sugar and coffee markets of the world into nothing better than a large, inglorious maroon shantytown. Also, you should be grateful to the UK, cuz' if they hadn't blockaded the island's coasts when they did, Napoleon would have sent the whole of France to subdue the island, not a nice prospect in the least. If something, the maroon mentality of your authorities would deliver the control of the world's coffee and sugar markets on a silver platter to Brazil and Cuba, respectively.
We may not have been much but we sure was and still is better than youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu...
Supposedly, Pedro Santana the father took Ferrand's severed head with him in a basket back to his ranch in El Seibo. Pedro Santana Familias would cite his father arriving home with said head as one of his earliest memories. Tell me that won't leave an impression on a young mind!
You are sure having a good time trying to make fun of Dominicans, monsieur.
and what planes does the Haitian air force have?
Maybe a WW1 blimp that will drop Haitians on top of an extinct Do Do bird wielding a machete?
Dominican Tucano's planes equip with rockets will light up with cleansing fire your ugly bundá in less than a New York minute,
so you will run back as far as your dirt cookie propelled big ugly feet will take you!
U conne o u cest familiare que cest desshuké, mon ami?
He was definitely out of control. The funny thing is that the man had no sense of history. Had he not given the country back to Spain through his machinations we would be speaking of Santana El Libertador today regardless of who he had ordered killed in the 1840s and 1850s. The idiot not only sold out his people, in the process he sold out his own legacy.
good point, my mistake.
Whatever happened to the Mirages that haiti had purchased under Baby Doc?
Haitian air force was disbanded officially in 1994.
To my knowledge they never had any Mirages unless they were toy planes.
They did have some F-51's at one time long ago.
Baby Doc maybe "tried" to get Mirages from the French but never did.
Can you imagine that?
BTW Baby Doc wasn't that bad after all considering what came after.
You are sure having a good time trying to make fun of Dominicans, monsieur.
and what planes does the Haitian air force have?
Maybe a WW1 blimp that will drop Haitians on top of an extinct Do Do bird wielding a machete?
The Tucano's planes equip with rockets will light up with cleansing fire your ugly bundá in less than a New York minute,
so you will run back as far as your dirt cookie propelled big ugly feet will take you!
U conne o u cest familiare que cest desshuké, mon ami?
I'm certain they at least did at one point. I remember watching a news story mentioning French Mirage fighter aircraft in Haiti's air force. Mind you, I remember watching this in the 80s but I'm trusting my memory wholeheartedly. Maybe someone alse could shed some light on what became of these planes.
maybe they were visiting French air force or showing off to see if they could get a bite for purchase.
I don't think that they had any Mirages, maybe you "had a dream" or were smoking something bad.
I worked in Haiti in 94-95 and had general access to the PAP airport among other things. I can attest that I saw not one, ONE, piece of Haitian Air Force equipment, plane, chopper, hot air baloon-nothing. As things progressed the UN donated the pickup trucks they had to the National Police. They went from being painted white to Green & Blue. Whatever vehicles they could not sell in the DRMO yard were also donated to the gvt..
I know this for a fact also.
Haitian air force was disbanded officially in 1994.
They never had any Mirages.
They did have some F-51's at one time long ago.
The closes thing to a French Mirage 2000 would be a balsa and paper Haitian biplane Mirage look alike being powered by
50 strong Haitians pedaling all at once!
I Bv'wd at GTE was over all USFH DFAC's 23 in all. Worked close with class 1 & J4 FSA Actually enjoyed my time there. Worked until two weeks after handover from LOGCAP (USFORHAITI) to UNMIH.
good for you!
I never had a bad time there either, it's really great if you keep your nose clean and closed!
So what are you Dominicans going to do with those obsolete airplanes stay in the air forever?
Stay inside those submarines forever?
Stay inside those tanks forever?
Machines and guns do not kill it is a hard heart that kill and you Dominicans just don't have the guts. I'm sorry to say but you don't I don't care if your military had stealth bombers and Abraham Tanks you guys would still get a spanking from the mighty Haitians because your people are gutless and that my friends is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Being a warrior is not about being capable of killing the enemy a million miles away but having the ability to look at your enemy dead in the eyes and rip his freaking heart out and then eat it. ! Just talking about it make me wanna ummhhh! YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND.
Well I can't remember killing someone and then eating his heart out, that I think I saw in an Indiana Jones movie.
BTW moron it's not Abraham tank is Abrams tank.
You are talking real ancient history with the French and the Spaniards and I really can't recall that far. What I can recall and the whole world was a witness is how the BIG BAD Ton Ton Macoute terrible "leopards" and all the elite Haitian army ran as far as their Haitian dirt cookie with dung mushrooms
fed legs when a few in number US paratroopers landed in Port Au Prince and Cape Haitien recently and cried for mercy hoisted the white flag from their underpants and surrendered their weapons.
A big bad Haitian colonel was arrested posing as an ugly Catholic nun.
So if this is the kind of "rip your heart out and eating it" resistance and fight that you guys are going to put up, then go ahead and have some more cleren to numb your already fried and fuzzy mind.
like all despots and murderous criminals some a..holes like Dominicanation think that big talk
will get them points. When the going gets tough these idiots that are valiant and strong murdering innocent civilians like the Haitian army and TTm's and torturing children that are tied down, put on women dresses and make up and run for their lives.
When the chips are down and when bullets are buzzing by you is the time that you have to make a decision. Either cry like a baby and beg for surrender like the Haitians did. Or put up an honorable fight to the death where the best man wins.
Ripping your heart out and eating it, what rubbish!
Talk is cheap more so coming from a total idiot.
Oh well if Trujillo was gay he for sure didn't like you Haitian stink factories very much!
Like he got rid of 37,000 in one week.
Don't change the subject you moronic imbecile, you are probably the missing link between
men and apes. The whole world watched how the BIG BAD Haitian army ran like children
going for chocolates when the few American army paratroopers landed in Haitian soil.
And your "leopards" took off their kaka soiled underpants and hoisted the white flag of surrender!
Anybody that flaunts about eating an enemy's heart out watching him die has no honor,
or a trace of chivalry as a soldier and a warrior. You are probably an ex-Ton Ton Macoute used to beating and torturing women and children.
And since now that you brought up the gay subject, I know many brave man that happen to be gay and you dear fungus are not even close to being brave or being in the same league.
You best bet is to exit this thread and go back to your stinky hole and hide TTM.
Give some educated rebuttals to my posts. I refuse to communicate about these sorry teenager
subjects "Trujillo and Rubirosa were fags", preposterous and ridiculous!
Only statements like these from a distorted and sick mind that has not found his hanging protuberances because the doctor was confused when you were born and thought he had either
a hermafrodite or an eunuch being born for your evident lack of testicular fortitude.
Go back to your Ton Ton Macoute buddies that raised the white flag of surrender and cried like babies for forgiveness when the good old USA army invaded your country recently and disbanded the elite "leopards" that were a terror to the unarmed and defenseless population.
These "heroes" descendants of Boyer and Dessalines saw the American soldiers all of a sudden their underpants turned brown and they quickly ran.
IS THAT THE BEST COME BACK YOU CAN THINK OF? Sad, Sad, Sad anyway go to forum so I can finish destroying you there.
Perhaps, but notice how I referred to you directly as a mental midget as opposed to your people as a whole. As a matter of fact I didn't even directly call you a mental midget. I alluded to it and you wore the shoe because it fit. Maybe you've achieved a level of education where mine pales in comparison but I have enough of an education, or at the very least the sense and decency, to make a distinction between an individual and a group of people.
it bothers you that the hookers area charging 5 taking your money, when your women "the no hookers in DR" are willing to blow for free!! They will die for a Dominican petardo. They are so dammed ugly!! Who wants them!!
Back in Haiti, You do not even have machetes, they been melted to be taken for soup.
This most bee done immediately, all comments like these posted by Haitians like the one coming from Dominicanation should be published in all newspapers, and TV messages, it is the right for the Dominican People to see what some Haitians are thinking. That would be the very good starting point to stop this malignant immigration.
You do not even like the name Haity, you call yourself Dominican nation!
The Haitian retards are incapable of intelligent exchanges. They resort to name calling, racial and sexist remarks and talking about Dominican "working girls" in Puerto Prince making a living because the Haitian women are so ugly and stink a mile away that not even the Haitians want them!
The problem is that after eating all the dirt cookies mixed with mushrooms they are living in cloud
9 with the "cow dung effect" and they just talk rubbish and resort to below the belt racist or sexist
slander.
Do not waste your time with these vermin, they need to be fumigated or to be deshuké like they say and uprooted and ejected back to their ravished motherland where not a tree stands.
Or even better they need the spare tire around their body solution that they brought from Africa
where you put a nice used spare car tire around their arms and then pour some gasoline on the tire and light a match. How wonderful fried Haitian in the morning smells like!
Last week i would not believe that I was going to feel the way I am feeling now since listening to you. I heard people talking about how Haitians think, you just proved it.
So, please, please do not stop provoking us or stop expressing the the way Haitians feel, everyone keep on responding to Dominicanation, we Dominicans have to let Dominicanation keep on spitting out his venom, we need to hear that, we need to feed our anger the Dominican people anger, we need to print all his comments, and post them in every newpaper, colmado, corner of every campo, every bar, every school, every car transportation, post them in every street tree we see, every every where, that we waken up the people, this is perfect timing.
Not to be condescending. Man, what happened? I've been reading posts from guys like you, JabaoHaitiano, dreadlocks and others for almost a year now. That inspired me to keep coming back and eventually join.
Negativity is a cancer. You know that.
In my neighborhood, Haitians outnumber Dominicans like 30 to 1. Should I circulate the posts that I read on the net around and pass them off as the Dominican populace's views?
Mind you, I've known some of my Dominican neighbors for about 10yrs.
People who consider themselves "good people" should not be involved with such trivial nonsense.
When bloodshed happens, it's not Haitians, Jamaicans, Dominicans and Americans that die. None of us unless we are mothers are responsible for bringing life here. We are more than nationalities
These are the universe's children, God's children.
I read a post by Tupaupapau saying that everyone wil never get along and there's no singing Kumbaya, but, remember...
TO WHOM MUCH IS GIVEN, MUCH IS REQUIRED!!!
POPOBOUDA Is that your way of justifying your prostitutes act? Whatever floats your boat buddy...The only feed back I'm getting from this is that maybe you have some close to you in the business I don't know but thats the vibe I'm getting. It's okay you can defend a friend or a family member if that's their profession I'm not hating I just think that they should only behave like that in their own country, only in Santo Dominigo. I don't want them negatively influencing the angelic children of Haiti if you know what I mean we Haitians have better morals then that...We actually dont want our daughter to grow up and become prostitutes like the daughters of those living next door if you know where I mean. Any way child about you printing my comments nationwide I think that's a great idea...Matter of fact I think that's a wonderful idea I want to
Maybe you like to rile people up, but, remember, WORDS ARE NEVER HARMLESS.
There you go again! Sexist innuendos.
Since you represent the voo doo world we need to have our crosses and stakes handy to stick them in your hate heart full of anger, misery and mucus.
Don't you wonder why the Haitian country has been cursed by God and has so much disaster, famine and misery going your way always?
It's because of salopries like you.
You are just so overmatched and ridiculed when you try to spare with the white light, so why don't you just give it up! Don't you carry any shame left on your sorry being?
Now you are picking on our women like poponlaburra and even then you fight dirty.
How sorry I am how that people like you are so full of hate or better "things" like you.
I will pray for your soul.
U pa conprend? U est un mun net soit, misié.
I wonder why you suggested for me to crawl back under whatever rock I came from? ah?? oooooH!! how scary ooooh...the cuco came out oooh!! Aren't everyone in this site underground, or are you using your real name Dominicanation alias hate your self? Actually going or staying underground is a great idea higher chances to awaken the Dominican population on Haitians motives.
According to you "The little idiot is suggesting that my comments ought to be published in all newspapers and TV ads, lol that's the most imbecilic idea I've ever heard....You are actually making generoso and that cibaneo dude look good" oh? Now you ideas should not be hear! They sounds imbecilic idea now? uao!uao! I am loving it!
Actually, I am disappointed at you, I was expecting more of your explicit ideas, dubi hate yourself.
I must say, you are not afraid of Dominicans that is for sure, but you are afraid of your own people who will lynch you for bringing this to them.
You are a very convincing moving guy, who every Dominican in this site should not take slightly, look at who you have awaken!! The Beast is Awaken, you really moved some Dominicans, and for that I thank you. It was time. And I dare you to carry with your sayings, indirectly you are doing us a favor. “Coman baby light my fire”.
So, little pussy cat, what else did you say Haitians are going to do to Dominicans? Can’t wait.
Dominicanation, I do not give a shet about you, the point that if you are in DR infiltrated and surpassing as a Dominican is even better.
So you mean that you do not look Haitian? That explain why you talked like that. You think you'll never get caught? If I was you, and I cared about my people, I will never talk about my enemies like that knowing my people are at their mercy in their country. What do you think? That Dominicans will not retaliate after reading what you wrote?
Pat yourself on the shoulders, job well done jack ass.
Please see what Dominicanation posts in RE: Haitian Invasion of the Dominican Republic pass it around do not take him slightly. It is pretty disturbing. Paste and send to 10 to 15 people to pass on and return to you. This is a good beginning.
TRUST ME i DO WANT TO KNOW Anything else ABOUT YOU JUST KEEP ON SAYING WHAT YOU WERE SAYING: IF YOU WANT THE AUTHENTIC MODEL OF THE REAL FLAG I CAN SHOW IT TO YOU>...WHY SETTLE FOR THE REJECT WHEN YOU CAN HAVE THE GENUINE VERSION. THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT TO AIM FOR THE PURE GENUINE, AUTHENTIC HAITIAN FLAG...."
And sahow a Haitian flag!
Chicking out on me ? EH? ALIAS HATE YOUR SELF.
I amusing MYSELF today too!! If I was you looking for revenge I would act like the Japanese or the Germans towards the American, exceeding themselves.
if you want the authentic model of the real flag i can show it to you>...why settle for the reject when you can have the genuine version. this is what you want to aim for the pure genuine, authentic haitian flag....
now if you want to see a real coat of arms where real arms are shown not just some book and a few colors with so branch tree hanging on to it then you might want to take a look at a real coat of arm which will look like this. you see where haitians are coming from we have real guns with knives, real cannons with big balls, did i mention cannons with big balls. even our flag pole is a spear just in case we run out of bullets on the battlefield our troops can stab you to death. now that"s a real coat of arm. and if you take a look at your right side you will see a little green pot seating on top of a cannon this is our magic pot just in case we can't kill you with the guns we can combine a good old poison reciper or some vo
this is our magic pot just in case we can't kill you with the guns we can combine a good old poison reciper or some voodoo herbs that would mess up your whole day....yeah that's a real men coat of arm,,,i know you see the taino's hatchets, yeah buddy know this the last of the mohicans the last of the true taino warriors fought alongside of us with the neg mawon's and before their poor souls were extinct they taught us how to scalp a head yeah buddy this is indeed a real men;s coat of of arm not some reject curtains with a stupid book and some tree branch.
this is our magic pot just in case we can't kill you with the guns we can combine a good old poison reciper or some voodoo herbs that would mess up your whole day....yeah that's a real men coat of arm,,,
I KNOW YOU SEE THE TAINO'S HATCHETS, YEAH BUDDY KNOW THIS THE LAST OF THE MOHICANS THE LAST OF THE TRUE TAINO WARRIORS FOUGHT ALONGSIDE OF US WITH THE NEG MAWON'S AND BEFORE THEIR POOR SOULS WERE EXTINCT THEY TAUGHT US HOW TO SCALP A HEAD YEAH BUDDY THIS IS INDEED A REAL MEN;S COAT OF OF ARM NOT SOME REJECT CURTAINS WITH A STUPID BOOK AND SOME TREE BRANCH.
These are some of the many comments comming from Dominicanation and friends that should be printed, I am pretty sure such comments will infururate most Dominicans.
To see the rest of his comments see Hatian invation forum.
Go to bed sweetie, these guys never play by the rules, they hit below the belt, they are vulgarians and worse of all very ignorant and full of hate.
Do not spend your valuable energy with these midgets in mind and compassion. They are scavengers, and like criminals and deranged folks you can not reason with them, because their mind is sick and warped.
It is like when you beat a poor puppy and keep beating him every day until adulthood, and that's what happened to the poor Haitians. But we have to be on guard, because they are evil, they have bad intentions, they are black magic and voo doo followers and they are proud of their sick religion that God has put a curse on.
Surround yourself with white light and forget these people. The rest of the world has forgotten them too, because they are a race that has been damned. And they have brought all this bad karma back to them like a boomerang.
Good night, and sleep well. Bless.
Actually I am happy to hear their venom.
Good night too.
When the Chilean survivors of the plane accident in the frozen mountains ate flesh. They were not branded as cannibals, they were called survivors.
If some desperate boat people eat the flesh of a companion who has died from starvation, that is surviving.
To make fun of an unfortunate event such as a desperate effort to survive in the ocean and try to make racist superiority comparisons is really sick and denotes a perverted mind.
You have sank to the lowest level a sub-human can sink to. You even professed your delight in eating live uncooked flesh, a ritual so disgusting not even the worse man eaters have practiced.
The only thing left for your kind instead of vomiting your disgusting venom and causing more
destruction and havoc is to terminate yourself out of this world were you will enter into the 7 TH hell that Dante
described as the worst, specially reserved for voo doo monsters like yourself.
Not all Haitians are despicable like you portray thank God.
When I worked in Haiti, I met and worked with some wonderful people. Hear hear !!!
If some desperate boat people eat the flesh of a companion who has died from starvation, that is surviving.
To make fun of an unfortunate event such as a desperate effort to survive in the ocean and try to make racist superiority comparisons is really sick and denotes a perverted mind.
I'M SIMPLY THE MONSTER YOU DOMINICANS HAVE CREATED
Now you see where I'm coming from....Look closer in the mirror Generoso the monster that you see in front of you is not ME it is YOU.
You guys are responding to this guy as if he's been appointed ambassador and speaks for 10 million people.
It's either you hate or dislike a group or you don't. One person's actions cannot give you a window into another's mind.
I don't see a widespread boycott of American television, products and "white" businesses after REGIS PHILBIN'S faux pas in front of millions and millions of people.
Geez, maybe 2% or less of the Haitians in DR own a computer. I don't see their posts.
I met some wonderful and charitable Haitians. Really high and enlightened beings like Jean Dominique a martyr that was running radio Inter and was murdered by the dark forces.
Dr. Heriberto Pieter, another saint that was running the oncology clinic. and many many more.
There are good and bad in all countries. The problem with Haitians has always being their racism, intolerance and lack of compassion.
The elite in Haiti are the worst and most selfish exploiters of ignorance. Some of them are corresponding here like Dominicanation who gloats about having houses in DR and Haiti and just spends his energy further lighting the divisions that separate us. Instead of being thankful he has electricity and a computer to express his twisted opinions he just throws more cinders in the fire.
They do nothing to alleviate the suffering of their own peoples, they are like rampant marauders
and carpet baggers at the end of the American civil war.
We can only feel sorry for them.
How can you make money out of people hating each other?
Please enlighten me, I can only guess:
Is it to spread the lie about the flu fever in the Dominican poultry and eggs so that merchants can sell the Haitians more expensive imported chicken and eggs?
I am getting warm?
How do you make money out of hate and make a difference? Selling illegal arms?
Getting real hot I guess.
I am glad you admitted that you are a monster, a desease that need to be de-rooted from DR land!! (And you represent Haitains, I am sure they love you).
You ask "What have you done?" As I said before this is the begigining and you said too much, blabber mouth. Again the Haitians must be loving you, you are really giving Dominicans a chance to do something. Ity's almost funny.
We have effectively castrated this malignant Haitian bigot and have him doing penance and mea culpa's and
running for cover.
Dominicanation:
Watch yourself you conducting your hate business, you are not safe even in the net. So don't think for a minute that you are safe with your alias and can't be located in a few minutes. Be careful, you might be accused of spreading guan guangua and be deported back to Haiti and me and popon will impound your house in DR and donate it to the Haitian orphans.
No need to present us wih anything.
We got you covered already.
We are watching you....closely. Look out the window.
we know you do! we have your exact location and have you in our cross hairs!
We have castrated him, indeed. I wonder what drug he was intoxicated with, in his lulu land home.
Ja, ja, jee, DOMINICANATION, thank you for telling us you have lots of money and business, excellent!! excellent!!excellent!! now we could put a price on your head using your own financial assets. The military love that. Haitians should be inform as well of that too, hey they get you, turn you in, could use that money that you say you have. And let me tell you when people are hungry their animalistic instinct prevails over humans one.
It does not matter wher you live. After 9/11 internet threat could be traced any where, anywhere. Didn't you know that lululand head?
excellent work comrade, we finally located this vermin and his imbecile public confession....
Now is time for Dominican army sargent Gata-gas "the Haitian eater" do his work, he will take his time, very slowly and enjoy eating a confessed Haitian cannibal even more!
This is how we can uproot the Haitian vermin (deshuké) from our motherland, sweet talk them,
lure them , locate them and then turn it over to the professional Haitian fumigators!