SANTO DOMINGO.- A commission from Brazil will come to the country next week to complete the details of the purchase of eight Super Tucano airplanes for 93.6 million dollars, whereas the aircraft maker wants to deliver two in advance so they begin to operate within approximately three months.
Upon making the announcement, Armed Forces minister Pedro Rafael Peña said the purchase of the Tucanos is a transcendental step for Dominican Republic’s new defense structure.
The official said the attack planes are cheaper to operate compared to helicopters, which he said cost 1,200 dollars per flight hour wile the Tucanos cost 500 dollars per flight hour. He said the Dominican pilots will go to Brazil for training.
As to the controversial legislation pending in Congress that authorizes firing on aircraft that enter Dominican skies illegally, the official said it would serve instead as “dissuasion,” citing that in Brazil there are considerably fewer illegal flights now, down from 3,500 per year. “The interception law is an initiative that’s preventive more than anything else.”
SOURCE: listin.com.do
Written by: Edward, 13 Nov 2008 1:47 PM
From: United States, Faux News: Unfair Imbalance
$93.6m for WWII technology. What a waste of tax dollars!!!
Written by: yumnuk3, 13 Nov 2008 2:20 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
If we do not eradicate corruption the purchasing of these warplanes will be useless. as I ponder on the past events of our country, I realized that the corrupt leadership really is one of the main factors why the Dominican Republic persists in maintaining her slot on the list for 3rd world countries if we do not take on these issues we will still suffer rocky roads and second-rate medical facilities , poor quality education, and high prices of commodities.we will suffer all of these because the funds for building roads and school buildings are reduced when a corrupt official decides to take a big part of that hard-earned cash for his own selfish purposes. we suffer poor quality education because the funds for books and other school supplies in public schools are not enough because the rest of the money are diverted for an even more important cause: satisfying the greed of those in power.
From: United States, Washington
I heard that these planes actually cost $6 mil, but we seem to be paying much much more. Does anyone have any more info?
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 2:45 PM
From: United States, DR
Sure baldoria23, cost it is all over the net. But you have to be careful and know all the extras as
well as some items that are "doctored in" and impossible to calculate such as spare parts and maintenance
unless you actually look at the purchase order and be able to itemize everything line item at a time.
BTW: This weekend al the "legislators" went to Bavaro as they do every year WITH their families at
taxpayers expense. This motive of the get together in Bavaro (with their families) "Discussion of the new Dominican Constitution" as they could not "work" in the city.
Too much noise I reckon. And no power.
From: United States, Washington
Here's some info from a transaction btw this company and Colombia:
"SAO JOSE DOS CAMPOS, Brazil, Dec. 8 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Embraer today announced a contract with the Government of Colombia for the sale of 25 Super Tucano aircraft. The value of the contract is US$ 235 million and marks the first ever Super Tucano export deal. The aircraft acquired by Colombia will be operated by the country's Air Force for internal security and border patrol missions. The contract was signed yesterday in Bogota."
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-139560895.htmlWhat does that all mean, Colombia paid $9.4 Mil per plane, and we're paying $15.6mil per plane.
---More to come
WHY????
From: Dominican Republic
Well it makes sense you are buying less planes...Maybe after 10+ the price is 9 mill 20+ planes 7mil per etc... I guess your country need to buy more Obsolete Airplanes...I think DR should own at least 300 of those things especially if they expect to last a 10 minute war with Haiti. LOL WWII Airplanes with WWI designs.
From: United States, Washington
Security company Blackwater U.S.A. is buying Super Tucanos at a cost of $9 million each.
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20070827.aspxFor more information, you can reach out to the North American Sales rep for Embraer, the company that makes these planes.
North America
Christine Manna
cmanna@embraer.com
Cell: +1 954 383 9950
Tel.: +1 954 359 3879
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
will the commission from Brazil be bringing bulging briefcases full of details ?
From: United States, Washington
BTW - Blackwater only bought 1 plane @ $9 mil per plane. So what's the deal!
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Why They didn't buy jet fighters instead???
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Why didn't they pay the light bill instead ???.... Dread does not like to do his drugs in the dark
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 3:10 PM
From: United States, DR
Dominicanation:
You are sure having a good time trying to make fun of Dominicans, monsieur.
and what planes does the Haitian air force have?
Maybe a WW1 blimp that will drop Haitians on top of an extinct Do Do bird wielding a machete?
Those planes equip with rockets will light up with cleansing fire your ugly bundá in less than a New York minute,
so you will run back as far as your dirt cookie propelled big ugly feet will take you!
U conne o u cest familiare que cest desshuké, mon ami?
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 3:13 PM
From: United States, DR
GC:
Drugs? Like Maynard used to say in Dobie Gillis!
Where, when, what?
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 3:18 PM
From: United States, DR
Rubi:
In all honesty these planes are the right formula for this country and they are very effective if properly used.
Maybe they don't have the speed to chase a fast small jet but anything else they are excellent at.
It is just that the planes are just another expense when we have so many other urgent priorities
to satisfy.
BTW: welcome back! You were taking a beating the other day.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Maynard .G soon to become Skippers little buddy......I hate myself for knowing these things
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 3:22 PM
From: United States, DR
GC:
it just proves time and time again that you are a bigot and an old fart.
(That keeps moving around quite a bit! Correct josean?)
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Rubi is the George Chuvalo of the internet never knocked off his feet and always punching never a step backward
From: United States
how about you all shut the hell up and appreciate these planes!
no criminal in the right mind will consider flying drugs into the D.R. knowing that they can be shot down. This means less drugs will enter the country through thouse stupid private planes.
after a few months of decrease of flown drugs into the country a.k.a decrease in drugs in the country period!
we can focus redirecting our anti drug officers and resources on to the border as well as prevention programs in school or commercials for our kids. these programs and commercials can emphasize the moral no-no of drugs. best way to fix a problem is to prevent it.
LF is doing a great job, even with the overwhelming corruption that exists.
and i think 8 planes is TOO LITTLE i think we should buy 17 more!
an island state should depend on navy and airforce to defend itself no ground troops (i.e. britain)
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
"What does that all mean, Colombia paid $9.4 Mil per plane, and we're paying $15.6mil per plane".
The DR is further away-excess transport costs.
How come the Govt. does not barter the never found Bani cocaine for the planes then we could pay the Colombian special price.
Written by: skysail, 13 Nov 2008 5:02 PM
From: Libya
Written by: danny00, 13 Nov 2008 5:03 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
like to know whos going to fly the planes?..... they might shoot each other down......
hope they fly better then the NAVY DRIVES THEIR BOATS.....
4 years ago in puerto plata watch one navy ship try to dock at the port... 3 hours later they crash into the pier ...... took almost 1/2 the pier down..... with 3 little girls that where sitting on the dock watching.
hope they dont shoot down any american airlines. flights.... lol...
good luck
Written by: Jander, 13 Nov 2008 5:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic
They look like pretty good little planes to me, and easy to fly...
Couple machine guns and rockets strapped on they will probably make a few smugglers think twice..
Written by: yumnuk3, 13 Nov 2008 5:13 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
BTW The cartels have submarines and more money than us.
From: United States, Washington
Transport is not big factor, not 6 millions more per plane. THe thing is not that the planes are bought, it's HOW that's the issue. The lack of transparencyleaves a lot to be desired in the M.O. of the Dominican State.
And Corruption starts at the Top. LF, whom I worked with/for just for full disclosure, can take more aggressive steps to curtail corruption, but the truth is, at least from our point of view (ours meaning everyone not in the government) is that it's not a priority!
LF is as transparent as the Bush Administration.
Written by: Jander, 13 Nov 2008 5:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic
yeah those subs wiil be hard to see hope they don't blow any whales up...
From: United States, Brooklyn
It's more like 11.5 Million per plane people... Dominican youth and citizens are at risk from drug cartels... The price is worth it
Written by: generoso, 13 Nov 2008 6:45 PM
From: United States, DR
Jander:
they have two 12.7mm machine guns and rockets galore on both wings.
scary as hell to anyone specially with the war paint in the nose tip.
From: United States
Finally we now have "weapons of mass destruction" in DR. Now all we need is a real enemy to go and play war games with.... hey we can pick a fight with our neighbor, and than tell the world it was only pilot error. I am sure we are not spending this type of money on planes, just to show them off on National Holidays or Graduation ceremonies (back grounds).
They could have done it a cheaper way I say by putting a couple of Talibanis (who have much better aiming) on strategic roof tops around the DR, packing decent radios and rocket launchers. Hey even the mosquitos would disappear from the DR skies with these guys on the roof.
Written by: generoso, 14 Nov 2008 10:15 AM
From: United States, DR
UndercCover:
Talibanis or Talibans more properly said are famous for their terrible aim.
Whenever you want to make a stupid comment ...STAY undercover!
Written by: zak325, 14 Nov 2008 12:50 PM
From: United States
The FAD could have bought the Czech made Aero 159 Albatross for a basic unit cost of $12 million U.S. This modernised jet trainer / light attack aircraft woud have better suited the current an future needs of the FAD.
Written by: generoso, 14 Nov 2008 1:17 PM
From: United States, DR
zak325:
maybe you are correct but the DR airforce had to consider may other factors such as:
1. Operational expense
2. Availability of parts close by
3. Short runway landing and take off.
And last but most important the Brazilians had a sweet long term financing deal.
So it a no contest bid!
Written by: zak325, 14 Nov 2008 1:56 PM
From: United States
The FAD could have bought the Czech made Aero 159 Albatross for a basic unit cost of $12 million U.S. This modernised jet trainer / light attack aircraft woud have better suited the current an future needs of the FAD.
Written by: zak325, 14 Nov 2008 2:13 PM
From: United States
I think the FAD wants to try to regain it's glorious past, when it operated hundreds of fixed wing aircraft. Fighters, bombers, transports, rescue flying boats and trainers. At the time of his assasination, Trujillo was trying to buy modern British and French jets.
From: Haiti
Generoso is an ignorant.Stop talkin about guns an War. you don't know shit about them.....so please. and keep your little bird out of my boundaries...
Written by: generoso, 14 Nov 2008 7:08 PM
From: United States, DR
haitian1804:
Hey stinky! they let you out early today from the sugar cane chain gang?
What are your boundaries you little dirt cookie pot? So we can zero in on you.
We need your ex-warrior rusty old machete lessons, professor ignoramus on the right size to cut sugar cane under a hot sun!
My birds are going to come soon and rain do doo all over your ugly head!
O! I forgot, maybe you can give us lessons on connoisseur dirt cookie tastings and how to run faster and become invisible when the Dominican army comes looking for you!
From: Dominican Republic
lol the dominican army.... i thought dominicans were preachers, monks, and nuns you guys don"t carry guns you carry crosses and bibles and touching little boys and girls.
Written by: generoso, 14 Nov 2008 7:39 PM
From: United States, DR
Dominicanation:
There you go again! Sexist innuendos.
Since you represent the voo doo world we need to have our crosses and stakes handy to stick them in your hate heart full of anger, misery and mucus.
Don't you wonder why the Haitian country has been cursed by God and has so much disaster, famine and misery going your way always?
It's because of salopries like you.
You are just so overmatched and ridiculed when you try to spare with the white light, so why don't you just give it up! Don't you carry any shame left on your sorry being?
U pa conprend? U est un mun net soit, misié.
From: Dominican Republic
Generoso I will never give up my religion "Voodoo 4 life" Who's god are your worshiping? Not the African gods and surely not the Tainos so who's god are your worshiping buddy? My god is better than your god matter of fact my god is so big and bad he allowed me to take over your country and god for 22 years.....So there who's your daddy now?
Written by: generoso, 14 Nov 2008 8:37 PM
From: United States, DR
I don't want to be your daddy you are too ugly and stinky you jerk.
Two centuries ago you invaded us by surprise since we thought you were civilized "friends" and came to loot and plunder your God fearing neighbor the Dominican Republic a peaceful and hard working country with the Haitian big guns that you stole from the French. You burned entire innocent villages.... in Moca you knifed children in the plaza. You were always a brutal and blood thirsty race, you even terrorize your own people like vampires.
We kicked you out not once but 11 more times after the first time.
Trujillo taught you a lesson since you couldn't even say "perejil" and spanked you and ejected you back to Haiti again.
Now your kind, like rats are and have been feeding of the stale crumbs and bones the Dominican throw at you Haitians for a lot longer than 22 years.
From: Haiti
We 'r working on sending all your bictches back to you...Generoso. We don't need them here spreading HIV to our boys.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
HIV I dont want to get that again !
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
how about the new one HAGS very deadly and very contagious....It is a combo of Herpes Aids Gonorrhea and Syphilis yes HAGS very deadly and very contagious ....the only thing they will feed you when you have it is Dover Sole and Pizza......Not because it helps but because that is the only thing they can slide under the door
Written by: tejano, 16 Nov 2008 8:21 AM
From: United States
what are the dominicans going to do with these planes? they are going to shoot down innocent people in a rush to show they can deter drug trafficking. How are they going to track these a/c when they don't have radar. how are they going to capture the drugs when they have no lift to take troops out to the site. how are they going to run the a/c when the country has no electricity (because the bought tucanos instead) This gov't has it priorities all messed up. Cares NOTHING about the working people and are only out to fill their own pockets. The country is going to hell fast and no one is willing to do anything about it. Pretty soon they will call it Haiti East.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
this is a National Sovereignty issue ....they can say whatever their Macho stupidity makes them say....but they better have some very very very strict rules of engagement that for all intents eliminates the possibility except with personal approval of the president....... for these pilots to make their own decision would be folly
From: Dominican Republic
The country is going to hell fast and no one is willing to do anything about it. Pretty soon they will call it Haiti East.
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT/.
Written by: generoso, 16 Nov 2008 1:32 PM
From: United States, DR
Dominicanation:
We got you in our crosshairs finally.......look out your window now, we are watching you!
You will be getting a visit soon from the principal exorcist to free you from your voo doo hell sticking a
stake in your black magic heart.
BTW the Dominican Air force also did order many napalm canisters (Haitian specials) to deliver them
like a Domino's pizza to all your illegal compatriots that will be running from the fires of purification that will light up their bunda's.
Haiti East! Can't you think of something more creative like:
"Doesn't smell putrid here"
or Dirt Cookie Annex
or maybe Guan gua Village
or how about?
"Land of the Trees" that have not been cut (yet) by the Haitian locust plague.
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well as some items that are "doctored in" and impossible to calculate such as spare parts and maintenance
unless you actually look at the purchase order and be able to itemize everything line item at a time.
BTW: This weekend al the "legislators" went to Bavaro as they do every year WITH their families at
taxpayers expense. This motive of the get together in Bavaro (with their families) "Discussion of the new Dominican Constitution" as they could not "work" in the city.
Too much noise I reckon. And no power.
"SAO JOSE DOS CAMPOS, Brazil, Dec. 8 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Embraer today announced a contract with the Government of Colombia for the sale of 25 Super Tucano aircraft. The value of the contract is US$ 235 million and marks the first ever Super Tucano export deal. The aircraft acquired by Colombia will be operated by the country's Air Force for internal security and border patrol missions. The contract was signed yesterday in Bogota."
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-139560895.html
What does that all mean, Colombia paid $9.4 Mil per plane, and we're paying $15.6mil per plane.
---More to come
WHY????
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20070827.aspx
For more information, you can reach out to the North American Sales rep for Embraer, the company that makes these planes.
North America
Christine Manna
cmanna@embraer.com
Cell: +1 954 383 9950
Tel.: +1 954 359 3879
You are sure having a good time trying to make fun of Dominicans, monsieur.
and what planes does the Haitian air force have?
Maybe a WW1 blimp that will drop Haitians on top of an extinct Do Do bird wielding a machete?
Those planes equip with rockets will light up with cleansing fire your ugly bundá in less than a New York minute,
so you will run back as far as your dirt cookie propelled big ugly feet will take you!
U conne o u cest familiare que cest desshuké, mon ami?
Drugs? Like Maynard used to say in Dobie Gillis!
Where, when, what?
In all honesty these planes are the right formula for this country and they are very effective if properly used.
Maybe they don't have the speed to chase a fast small jet but anything else they are excellent at.
It is just that the planes are just another expense when we have so many other urgent priorities
to satisfy.
BTW: welcome back! You were taking a beating the other day.
it just proves time and time again that you are a bigot and an old fart.
(That keeps moving around quite a bit! Correct josean?)
no criminal in the right mind will consider flying drugs into the D.R. knowing that they can be shot down. This means less drugs will enter the country through thouse stupid private planes.
after a few months of decrease of flown drugs into the country a.k.a decrease in drugs in the country period!
we can focus redirecting our anti drug officers and resources on to the border as well as prevention programs in school or commercials for our kids. these programs and commercials can emphasize the moral no-no of drugs. best way to fix a problem is to prevent it.
LF is doing a great job, even with the overwhelming corruption that exists.
and i think 8 planes is TOO LITTLE i think we should buy 17 more!
an island state should depend on navy and airforce to defend itself no ground troops (i.e. britain)
The DR is further away-excess transport costs.
How come the Govt. does not barter the never found Bani cocaine for the planes then we could pay the Colombian special price.
http://www.embraer.com.br/institu....resentacoes_ingles_Ingles(3Q).pdf
hope they fly better then the NAVY DRIVES THEIR BOATS.....
4 years ago in puerto plata watch one navy ship try to dock at the port... 3 hours later they crash into the pier ...... took almost 1/2 the pier down..... with 3 little girls that where sitting on the dock watching.
hope they dont shoot down any american airlines. flights.... lol...
good luck
Couple machine guns and rockets strapped on they will probably make a few smugglers think twice..
And Corruption starts at the Top. LF, whom I worked with/for just for full disclosure, can take more aggressive steps to curtail corruption, but the truth is, at least from our point of view (ours meaning everyone not in the government) is that it's not a priority!
LF is as transparent as the Bush Administration.
It's more like 11.5 Million per plane people... Dominican youth and citizens are at risk from drug cartels... The price is worth it
they have two 12.7mm machine guns and rockets galore on both wings.
scary as hell to anyone specially with the war paint in the nose tip.
They could have done it a cheaper way I say by putting a couple of Talibanis (who have much better aiming) on strategic roof tops around the DR, packing decent radios and rocket launchers. Hey even the mosquitos would disappear from the DR skies with these guys on the roof.
Talibanis or Talibans more properly said are famous for their terrible aim.
Whenever you want to make a stupid comment ...STAY undercover!
maybe you are correct but the DR airforce had to consider may other factors such as:
1. Operational expense
2. Availability of parts close by
3. Short runway landing and take off.
And last but most important the Brazilians had a sweet long term financing deal.
So it a no contest bid!
Hey stinky! they let you out early today from the sugar cane chain gang?
What are your boundaries you little dirt cookie pot? So we can zero in on you.
We need your ex-warrior rusty old machete lessons, professor ignoramus on the right size to cut sugar cane under a hot sun!
My birds are going to come soon and rain do doo all over your ugly head!
O! I forgot, maybe you can give us lessons on connoisseur dirt cookie tastings and how to run faster and become invisible when the Dominican army comes looking for you!
There you go again! Sexist innuendos.
Since you represent the voo doo world we need to have our crosses and stakes handy to stick them in your hate heart full of anger, misery and mucus.
Don't you wonder why the Haitian country has been cursed by God and has so much disaster, famine and misery going your way always?
It's because of salopries like you.
You are just so overmatched and ridiculed when you try to spare with the white light, so why don't you just give it up! Don't you carry any shame left on your sorry being?
U pa conprend? U est un mun net soit, misié.
Two centuries ago you invaded us by surprise since we thought you were civilized "friends" and came to loot and plunder your God fearing neighbor the Dominican Republic a peaceful and hard working country with the Haitian big guns that you stole from the French. You burned entire innocent villages.... in Moca you knifed children in the plaza. You were always a brutal and blood thirsty race, you even terrorize your own people like vampires.
We kicked you out not once but 11 more times after the first time.
Trujillo taught you a lesson since you couldn't even say "perejil" and spanked you and ejected you back to Haiti again.
Now your kind, like rats are and have been feeding of the stale crumbs and bones the Dominican throw at you Haitians for a lot longer than 22 years.
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT/.
We got you in our crosshairs finally.......look out your window now, we are watching you!
You will be getting a visit soon from the principal exorcist to free you from your voo doo hell sticking a
stake in your black magic heart.
BTW the Dominican Air force also did order many napalm canisters (Haitian specials) to deliver them
like a Domino's pizza to all your illegal compatriots that will be running from the fires of purification that will light up their bunda's.
Haiti East! Can't you think of something more creative like:
"Doesn't smell putrid here"
or Dirt Cookie Annex
or maybe Guan gua Village
or how about?
"Land of the Trees" that have not been cut (yet) by the Haitian locust plague.