Rubi,

Take your blood pressure medication!

What a wacko!
Maybe he is lobbying for the Hatian ambassador post.
Would somebody please tell him to take his medication in the morning...please!
Many books will be written about all his snafus and colorful decrees along with Tres Patines.

I have unquestionable evidence that the Haitians significantly add more violence to DR that they are the recipients of one in DR. In fact, the most common violence committed against Haitians in DR is the lack of payment to Haitians for labor done by the Contract managers. In addition, violence committed against Haitians by other Haitians is significant in the Bateyes and it is clearly under-reported! It is insulting that a person like the one in this article made general statements and simplifying a complicated issue!

food fight.............josean stick to metro whining

Chauncey,

Why do not you stick to spinning Cuban fantasies.

Written by: josean, 16 Nov 2008 3:13 PM
From: United States
Chauncey,

Why do not you stick to spinning Cuban fantasies.


Chauncey, go back to south beach fruit cake

josean you now have the moron chill posting with you...... this says volumes

3 Haitians just killed a 60 something lady in San Cristobal (1st they raped her then they stabbed her on the neck), guess the Dominicans are racist and wild people that have not right to bother Haitians in DR at all.

Statically we have here 175,000 Haitians here.
Dominicans 9,999,000
Missing Dominicans 2,666,001 so it makes sense that the crime rate would be higher amongst Dominicans beating up on the Haitians. It's a shame that they should do their crimes to the people who deserve it. PLD/PRD

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Written by: greenwave, 16 Nov 2008 2:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"

Greenmerde spare yourself some writing....you are credible and so unbiased. Go back to your favorite hobby, bashing Haitian. If Haitian did not exist you would have invented them, since it appears that you are addicted, oops I almost forgot you need to rant in order to calm down your obsessive-compulsive disorder.

huh? Wow, you just wonder how long it took for them to come up with this recapitulated issue of an article. Smells like a "save-face" motive for Almeyda. And for what, who knows.

It's all part of the fragrant Haitian conspiracy to finish the invasion of the Dominican Republic and
change the name of the eastern side of the island to "Haiti East".
"Haitian Power" supremacists like "Dominicanation" that think in their "delirium tremens" and fantasize about the ancient time when these barbarians took advantage of a miniscule Dominican population who were just a peaceful loving nation of mainly ranchers and farmers against the blood thirsty Haitians coming from a victorious uprising and equipped for war from their former French masters.
But like their mentors the French who where more interested in squeezing money out of the
Haitians and made them sign the reparation treaty ( by having a show of force in the Puerto Prince harbor with 14 French war ships) so that the "brave" warrior Haitians without even putting up a fight like Christophe wanted, hocked the Haitian nation for generations to come. (150 million francs took Haiti 50 years to repay the French)

So true there was no actual invasion from the French because very much like their French masters did many generations later when the Hitler's germans invaded and paraded in the Champs Elysees with their goose stepping Werhmacht soldiers and cried like babies what they could not defend like men.
So the Haitians who had just had a triumphant revolution a few years before yielded to the French and decided that it was better to sell out the country like whores (Haitians don't really like whores much only if they are Dominicans).
Now Haitians should really spend their energies instead of fantasizing "an impossible dream" of taking over the DR one day, in trying to recover that money from the French in international courts.

Haitians! Dominicans are very nationalistic and brave ....visit our land very carefully and do not
bring our wrath upon you. Don't forget about the brave and well equipped Dominican army who fought real wars against much superior forces and kept them at bay!
In the Iraq war Dominican special forces fought side by side in the coalition army alongside US forces. Where were the
brave Haitian Ton Ton Macoutes and Leopards then?
But don't think that over 8 million Dominicans civilians will be pushed around by you Haitians we will fight you with home made Chilenas and machetes and each one of us will bite you barbarians and voo doo worshipers like a bulldog goes after a pork chop.
Your wet dream of ever attaining the previous glory is past. Blame the French because they took your money, heart and soul and gave nothing back. Sue them, go after them, call them black mailers and demand they pay you back with interests in euros.
Be good neighbors and do not come to bite the hand that feed

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Written by: generoso, 16 Nov 2008 11:28 PM
From: Holy See (Vatican City)
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Good writing generoso keep it up, that goes to show one can disagree, and still have a civilized and respectfull discussion without the food fight , and the mud throwing we have seen lately.

What ever happened to some of our good posters Cibaneo75, JabaoHaitian, NY,ect just to name a few ??? we sure would liked to hear from you guys.

Mr Antonioj:

Do you miss your backup ideas team???

hey Rubi que pasa?

keep punching Rudi...{ George Chuvalo of the Internet }

Generoso:

Working hard on my business......good point of ideas


GC:

LOL, Canada must be nice and cold right now, think I'm going next month to Toronto and Halifax, love the organic atmosphere in downtown Halifax.

Rudi I would love to visit Halifax and have a schooner beer with you I have never been there ....George Chuvalo is a true Canadian Hero...never knocked of his feet always strait ahead and always punching....and Cabbagetown used to be the Largest Anglo Saxon slum in North America

Rubi:
GC is not in Canada last he was sighted in clancletas having a Presidente in a colmado owned by some Dominican Chinese close to the Avenida Duarte.
Don't make him confuse you!
I always admired Rocky better than Chuvalo although my recent favorite since you are a boxing fan (I can tell by your profile GC!) was Mike Tyson the ear eater! and of course the great Ali who I met in person in a few different occasions was the greatest by far.

good day to rubi and generoso

save the haitian-dominicans


we are the hybrids stuck in the middle.
no podemos apoyar ninguna parte en esta lucha sin final a la vista
tenemos solo que sentarnos y mirar la descarga de retoricas inutiles
these two people are condemned to live together.
a wall , a canal to seperate them ? maybe
as the used to say during clinton's campaign "it is the economy stupid"

Roberto Duran my hero of heros....the true Warrior....the greatest of all

GC, I can not believe you did not mention Eddie Melo boxing, the Rougeau brothers Mad Dog Vachon, and Dino Bravo if you are into wrestling. Are you a real canuck or an import ??

Where I have you been GC, ?? Cabbagetown is were they sell crack between Parliament and Carlton where the prostitute sell their charms, say hi to Maria, I can no longer afford her a visit with the stocks crumbling, I have no discretionary income.

Written by: gouletcolonial, 17 Nov 2008 12:13 PM
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Seaton and Gerrard
Roberto Duran my hero of heros....the true Warrior....the greatest of all

NO GC say it aint so, the loser "no mas" that at the end of his carreer did not have a cent.

Tonyj he did not have a brain either ....but what a fighter ....he gave all his money away....he was a champion again after the "no mas" fight remember ....he had won 97 fights before he fought Leonard the first time....Chuvalo is the best Canada has produced ...to fight Ali you had to get past Chuvalo those were the rules....I left Cabbagetown in 74 even then is was pretty much gentrified...not like the 50s and 60s very tough place.....Tonyj enjoy this winter it is going to be one of the coldest on record ....Global Warming you will be begging for it

etiennc:
Comez sa va mon ami?
I was calling on you the other day to put a leash on your compatriot Dominicanation,
I think the dirt cookie diet has affected his brain cells for the worse.
I have been called many things in my time but never a "hybrid", can you explain monsieur?

genoroso which of the Virgins are you on .....The only thing a Cruzan and a St Thomian can agree on is that St John is a beautiful island.......Ever ride the Vomit Comet from Fajardo P.R. to St Thomas in the 70s

GC:
Not even the US Navy is allowed to dock for R & R in St. Thomas any more because of the high crime rate and all the murders.
With those bad-attitude chip on their shoulder natives the island has gone down , down, down.
With good reasons!
Hey I told you I am not that old, I used to fly private anyway.

Genoroso I was referring to me "THE HYBRID " a cross between a Haitian father and a Dominican mother.
Forced to apeak Creole and Spanish.
Love sancocho and arroz con gradules.
Love bacalao ,boiled yuka and dulce de leche.
Give me my asopao con Aguacate ( Did I say right ?)
Love to stop a coco vandor and ask him to cut me a coco and then eat the meat of the coco.
Love bachata a love Haitian compas.
I sometimes seek to stop the fight between Haitians and Dominicans,but in vain.
I am saying to myself the hell with them I will continue to enjoy both sides of my heritage and let the go fight on until they come to their senses.
My present girl friend is Dominican the love of my life.
Lat night I spent hours with friends listening to Anthomy Santos,Johnny Ventura and the Haitian gaga music SIII,tomando Brugal ( Brutal) and Barbancourt rons

"SAVE THE HYBRIDS"

My life runs on gas and battery (Haitian and Dominican).
.

Porte toi bien mon " Genereux " frere

etiennec:
Then you are only half bad! LOL.
I love Barbancourt "selection speciale", gaga Sill is tops, jon jon the best, coco mordan.LOL.
Don't like bachata at all. can do without.
Keep in touch we need more sane persons communicating peacefully,
au revoir,
G

genoroso I was there when they shot the navy lieutenant for his watch or something how sad those sailors used to leave a lot of money there when they came in.....I was also on the very last flight of Prinair before it went under with Luis Bared the jeweller and vividly remember the last flights of the Goose between the islands in 89 before Hugo hurricane

I m back!!!!! ve said that on many of my comments, there s a lot of people here like generoso that keep posting trash on the forum, they don't know what's going on. I have my uncle working in the Haitian gvt, and believe me the things are realy bad for the Haiti and DR relationship, the decision to protect Haitian immigrant at DR have been take under huge pressure from the Haitian gvt. I think the DR president is realy gay as said my friend Dominicanation....lol. I know Haiti don't play, he have kicked so many butt. But I didn't think that he was going to execute so fast the order of Rene Preval. But I hope that some will take more time know to see how things role before making any comments ( specially Generoso )...Haiti 4 life....fear this

Now it's time for y'all racist to run for cover, Haiti is raising up and the enemies are trembling of fear, We have God with us and the soul of the warrior who bannish esclavary and create the first free country of America without slavery on his soil. Did you know that Dessaline's Say " anyone that is fleeing slavery from anywhere and touch the soil of Haiti is free and no one can take him back to slavery again". How awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.... but you know I think sojme people hate us because they envy us, our history, our skills, our strengh our dignity.........(a long list). Instead of hating us y'all can be proud that a little nation like yours have done so much marvelous things...Haiti love y'all but you better respect it...take care.

haitiano1804 wrote:

" I have my uncle working in the Haitian gvt , and believe me the things are realy bad for the Haiti and DR relationship "

translation:

i have a my uncle he cleans the toilets @ the Hatian Goverment Palace and he overheard Preval while taking a Sh*t say something about D.R and Haiti relationship. and i think is bad cause Preval Stalled on a turd for 45 min.

haitianNation, room1804, afrolatino etc, etc. you are not fooling anyone sobaco bellaco

haitian1804:
Who cares if your back Ton Ton Macoute! I will call you TTM from now on.
You better be careful otherwise you might have the same good luck as your friend Dominicanation
who hasn't been seen or heard for a while. Maybe he was deshuké!
I will go to Haiti to try the new Tucano's with the Dominican air force that is going to try them on some of you zombie's
and also try out the new napalm and WP Christmas presents that will rain from the skies and we have in storage for the likes of you big mouth Haitians that can only blabber and BS about how good things were 200 years ago.

Haitian 1804 ,
I really admire your nationalistic posture,but I am afraid that you sound a little paranoid.
The latest tragedy that has claimed the lives and shattered the hope of so many young Haitians should suggest that you pause for a moment and realize the limitations of your country.
I admire your pride for having done 1804 , but are you proud of October 1805.( PONT ROUGE) and the subsequent events that have turned Haiti to be the poorest coountry in the wertern hemisphere.
Whose fault is it ?

Your memory can be clouded by your pride and make you forget that your own countrymen have trashed your country.
It is easy to be delusionnal and say that Haiti can kick asses.
The reality is that you are being ridiculed with your chest pumping,your inflated in ego , and your middle fingers giving.
Remember January 2004 ? Aristide and Guy Phillipe were heading for a civil war yelling the Dessalines terrorist motto "KOUPE TET BOULE KAY "
Aristide got arrested !

Read: Turned Haiti INTO the poorest.

etiennc:
Dessalines was murdered in 1806 at Pont Rouge. His motto was "Koupe tet, boule kay" " or cut off their heads and burn their house"
Aristide and his gang finished making Haiti a narcostate run by the mob.
Now the Haitian drug lords and their international partners want to take over the Dominican Republic as well and take the country back to the time that pirates ruled the oceans.
It is NOT going to happen. We Dominicans fought too hard for our liberties, to give them up due to a conspiracy by elements portraying themselves as Haitian patriots
but really defending the cause of the drug mafias.
The conspiracy that the drug lords and their Haitian partners are plotting will fail.
Because Dominicans know to to fight for their country and their freedoms so that no one ever takes them away, even if the invaders come from outer space we will kick them out and we will fight the tresspassers and drug lords until our last drop of blood.
You can take that to the bank my friend.

Haiti 1804.
Please take time to compose yourself before posting anything that will make you the laughing stock of Dominican Today
After you have read my above posts I sincerely hope that you will come to your senses and will direct your anger toward the right oppressors who reside right in Haiti not in the Dominican Republic
Use your spent energy to become a better Haitian citizen . Raise your voice,demonstrate in your country so things could change instead of being a coward. Stop romancing and seeking comfort in a history that is bloody and brutal:The history of the Haitian people ( 1804-2004)

Right ON !!! Generoso, I back you up 100% !!!

Jacirez,you have failed to stand up fight and fled to Canada your tail between your leg
Memory is always upset when confronted with History.
This is a lesson in Haitian history that I +Generoso are providing you free of charge.
Direct your anger at those who are really oppressing and enslaving the Haitian people , forcing them to swim to Canada and entering the Dominican Republic illegally in the cover of the night
Do not curse at the symptoms ,deal with the cause of hunger and naked misery in Haiti: Corruption,mismanagement of ressources,misuse of religion and so on.
Your agression is being displaced and take from a Haitian Domincan.
Ask yourself how could we allow a pastor to build a tomb for 99 young people.
How could we allow a pastor to use tuff instead of cement to mix a mortar.
You are so busy trying to find out who has attended a KKK rally that you are ignoring the cries of Haitians "rallying "asking for your help.I have sent $60.00 how much have you sent? nada!

jacirez:
To be called a peasant does not hurt my feelings coming from a Haitian supremacist I consider it
a compliment.
To be called ignorant coming from you doesn't hurt my feelings either because you Haitian supremacists only resort to homoerotic comments, racists put downs and innuendos and what you are really saying is what I wrote stroke a cord and hit home where it hurts.
So I will revert back to you a salute.....Unguet!

etiennc,

"...forcing them to swim to Canada(replace this with Puerto Rico) and entering the Dominican Republic(replace this with United States) illegally in the cover of the night..."
Actually the whole of your last post can be transcribed to reflect the situation with Dominican Illegal Aliens in U.S.A, Canada, the E.U, etc...

You are so busy trying to find out who has attended a KKK rally that you are ignoring the cries of Haitians "rallying "asking for your help.I have sent $60.00 how much have you sent? nada!

Not that it's any of your business but I am regualr contributor to yele haiti (Wyclef Jean charity)...

I did not fled to Canada. I had a wife and kid who needed me, so I left a life of leisure at Luperon Beach Resort and decided to Man-up and take care of my family...

generoso,

Let me guess: You have a menial job making minimum wage. Your boss is probably haitian (or dark-skinned). You look all around you and see prosperity but it scapes you...You are bitter and blame the world for your failures...
Otherwise, how can you explain so much hatred...?

You are wrong again and I wouldn't feel bad if I had a dark skinned or Haitian
boss since I am not racist or xenophobic.
I am a very lucky person and have lot's of good friends, unlike you who are probably freezing your bunda in Canada away from your country and all the good ga ga Sill , jon jon and Barbancourt.
I do not blame anybody for any failings that I may have had, but myself but I also forgive myself the same as I forgive others....and I do not hate anybody
for their sexual preferences, skin color, religion or political orientation. So you see jacirez
You are just projecting your own thoughts on to me.
The hate that you see in your distorted mind set is actually a strong love for my country, a very powerful and vibrant love for the Dominican Republic as well as the United States of America, another country that I love and will defend from invaders, predators or terrorists..any time, any where and at any cost including my own life if necessary. So be it.

generoso,
Okay...But I think I will stick by my original thought...

On a side note, when I was in the DR two weeks ago, I spoke with just about anyone who crossed by path. Funny thing is, most of the people I encountered were hard-working and honest. They were struggling (like everywhere else); but they were not bitter. And certainly they did not blame Haitians for their problems...Maybe it's just me; but I do not trust people who outsource their responsibilities. Blaming Haitians for our own laziness and lack of initiative just don’t sit well with me…

Try to be a little bit more aware, do you think for a minute that a person that can write as easy as I
do and express his opinion as solidly as I do work a menial job for minimum wage? No. But if I did
have a "menial job for minimum wage" I wouldn't be ashamed either or consider it unimportant.
All work no matter what you do can be rewarding and enlightening if you do it with love and not hate.
Some of the highest beings on the planet that I have met have been very simple people and some were even "campesinos". So you are mistaken, again, with your fuzzy reasoning since you are coming from a high pedestal like a good Haitian supremacist trying to minimize and ridicule others.
Let me point out if I wanted to ridicule you that your grammar stinks and for a person that lives in Canada holding more than a "menial" job, shows that your educational background is very lacking as the depth of your comments is very shallow.
Prosperity has been always around and inside me. Thank God.

Indeed :-))

On the gate over the entrance to Auschwitz " Be Happy In Your Work "

gouletcolonial,
WTF?

GC:
Wrong quote GC
You are actually quoting the Japanese commander in the movie "Bridge over the Kwai River"
with Alec Guinness and William Holden

Oh I see this has been a very pleasant little discussion....Where is Rubi ? he missed it....but this is good reading by the way....generoso really knows how to festoon a paragraph

in my old age i misspoke " Work Will Make You Free " over the gate in Auschwitz

..." Work Will Make You Free [and bitching about haitians taking your job will leave you broke and bitter]..."

--jacirez---

BTW:
I do not have a "dark skin boss" yet but since I am a US citizen as well although I am not currently serving in the armed forces or the government, my president elect Barack Hussein Obama, soon to be sworn in as president is half black from a Kenyan father.

So if in the event that I am called to active duty or may work for the US government in the future I
could very well be working for as you said " a dark skinned boss" with utmost loyalty and respect.
Just to make a point.

generoso,

So, what you are saying is that your perceived hatred for Haitians in the DR is not rooted in bigotry, fear, ignorance, hatred and all that good stuff??

Just asking....

jacirez:
Absolutely and definitively NOT.
Also I do not hate Haitians, your perception is flawed.

generoso,

I do not know what's on your heart...but the fact that you help setup that donation does not automatically means you're not a bigot (not that I'm saying you are)...

over and out for now, I am tired.
Some of us have to work tomorrow, and my Haitian boss is mean.LOL.

I do not want to get involved, however I do not think Jacirez, Generoso, or etiennec are xenophobic or anti Haitians.

Here's a question when does someone stop being Haitian, after how many generations in DR ? Something interesting worth mentioning, Dominicans appeared to be classified as being Haitians when they are supportive, or have a balance opinion with respect to the plight of the Haitian people why ?

Kudo Dread and Jacirez nice thread, I enjoyed every minute of it

Good Morning Generoso,Antonioj,Jacirez,Gouletcolonial, I woke up on the wrong side of the bed and am in a bad mood.
Please be nice to each other to calm me down or I will be your worst f.....g hightmare.Hear ?
Ah got you -just joking !
Listen I admire your intellect and the force of your auguments,why don't we choose a different subject today so we can make a difference.
To brighten your day I am leaving you with these words: Mariposas,Papillons,Butterflies,Babies,Bebes,Roses,Rosas,Fleurs,Flowers,Flores,Money,Argent,Dinero,Ron.Rhum,Chansosn d'amour,Love songs,Canciones de amor.
Have blessed Day !!

Same to you etiennc and the rest including the Dreaded one and amigito josean

bon jour etiennc
cest une plaisir!

dejen la pajareria

i like it better when you guys are bashing each other.

nice is boring

Generoso, Gouletcolonial check the Listin Diario .They have posted an article regarding Angel Moreno,19 an Obama supporter who was savagely beaten by a soldier ,Pvt Kevin T. Flanagan
He is listed in critical condition at University Hospital in Syracuse.
Please get back to us with your toughts and if so desire ,we can contribute futher comments.
El heco occurio el 10 de noviembre afuera de un Pizza palor cercania de la Universidad de Syracuse donde Moreno esta un estudiante.

My wife was good to me last night...I'm in a rather pleasant mood today... :-))))

it takes me 48 hours of laughing your comments...finally I can catch my breath to reply you. first of all you guys don't want me to talk about history becaus DR don't have any.

2nd,
"The latest tragedy that has claimed the lives and shattered the hope of so many young Haitians should suggest that you pause for a moment and realize the limitations of your country" from etiennc.
A Haitian goes say "lè bab kamarad ou pran dife mete pa w a la tranp" traduct: "when it happens Tragedy to you neighbor get yourself a cover. " what about the 94 dominicans that unfortunately with a lot of chances lost their lives trying to flee misery from DR. i hope the US navy will find them alive. such ashame are your going to blame Haiti for this also.
By da way Generoso keep impressing me evday more, he's getting more ignorant than I thought he could. I d like to know why he leave DR to the US, to work as a doorguy if he's so intelligent and if DR is so good... proof of trash talk.

It´s the second time that I have had the misfortune of reading that idiotic and imbecilic remark, haitian1804. Only a moron or a complete caveman would say that we dominicans don't have an history, considering that we as a nation and culture have had more time on the island than you, our existence beginning with the founding of Santo Domingo city on 1494, yours when Bertrand D'Ógeron established Saint Domingue on 1661. Do the math and let's talk later, ok (that is, if you're educated enough to know how to count).

Lautaro,

You are an Ignorant Peasant!!!!!
You think that Dominican History begins with the Conquistadores. That somehow Dominicans are a blessed mix of Tainos & Spaniards.
You imbecile! Don’t you realize that ethnically, culturally and even economically speaking there is no difference between one side of the island and the other...?

You're the imbecile, Jacirez, cuz for your information the spanish population never surpassed in numbers the mixed people (be it from Taino or African extraction, it's the same), since they were occupied exploiting the mines on the continent, they never paid too much attention to this island since the time that the sugar industry floundered on the eastern part, that is, from the end of the XVI century onwards, so yes, the dominican, as a people have more time on the island than the haitians, more so from the fact that the french started to import africans to their part of the island since the beginning of the XVIII century, so they were without african slaves from a good part ofa century.

And yes ethnically, culturally and historically we're (and have been) VERY different. For starters, dominican culture is a mix of spanish, african and taino features, with the spanish being the predominant one of the three, and before you start to use of innuendos, let me point you the fact that spanish is the dominant language of the country, cuz the africans of this part of the country were only a handful compared with the ones of the western part of the island, and, living side by side in poverty with their spanish masters, they didn't get the chance to create their own language like the haitians did.

Lautaro,
"...with the spanish being the predominant one of the three..."
You Lambòn! Trying to "blanquear tus piel" by negating the African influence...You Self-Loathing, Ignorant Peasant!!!!

On the ehtnical side, FYI, haitians and dominicans can still be distinguished from each other, the reason for this being that, because of its african supremacist policies, a 90% of the population in Haiti is full-blooded african, a fact that has been reinforced by the routine purges that the majority african populace have done on the mulattos and white strata that remained on that country after the independence. If you want to know more about these purges, you only need to PM antonioj and he will tell you about the one that the Afronazi goons of Duvalier did against the mixed population of his hometown in Jeremie.

Haitian 1804 ,You scare me to death with your 48 hour sadistic laugh.
I thought that you were in some undisclosed location nursing your bruised conscience.
You have laughed because we reminded you that the history of ( our) country was written in blood.
You have laughed because all Haiti 's head of states have been killed in office or forced into exile after emptying the state treasure.
You have laughed because a pastor who had no prior experience in construction was allowed to use TUFF instead of CEMENT to mix mortar to built a school. As a result 99 lives were lost when the floors gave in under the weight of the innocent victims.
Well, you are going to hear from Generoso and Gouletcolonial . I do not think they will find anything funny with your post.
May God save your soul ,Haitian 1804
Now let me go take a bath, I feel dirty.

much better , much better.

keep it up

jacirez the caveman said:

"You Lambòn! Trying to "blanquear tus piel" by negating the African influence...You Self-Loathing, Ignorant Peasant!!!!"

It's not a matter of skin you dunghead, it's a matter of culture. FYI, our spanish can be understood by the rest of Latin America, while haitian kreyol can only be understood by the haitian themselves, cuz the french have to learn that language to communicate with them, even the ones from Martinique and Guadeloupe, which also have their own version of a kreyol.

much better , much better.

keep it up

Would you mind joining the fray?

Lautaro,

The depth and breath of your ignorance is atonishing!
"...haitians and dominicans can still be distinguished from each other..."
"...90% of the population in Haiti is full-blooded african..."
"...the routine purges that the majority african populace have done on the mulattos and white strata..."
You are a walking Cliché...I wouldn't open my mouth in public if I were you...

Deny it all that you want, I can prove everything that I have said. Can you do the same, or are you only limited to insulting innuendos, Afronazi?

After reading Jacirez post

Lautaro,

Oh, yes:
"...our spanish can be understood by the rest of Latin America..."
Yo me voi pal' campo pà comprà yuca...
"...haitian kreyol can only be understood by the haitian themselves..."
Wow, a group of people developed a spoken common language...wow, this must be new...

is probably true that haiti had a glorious past, but their present and future are really sad.

and if haitiano1804 if a measure of the haitian people intelect it will be no future at all for haiti.

pobre gente dan mucha pena

Lautaro,

I'm just stating the facts: You are a self-loathing, ignorant peasant who doesn't know his own history..
I celebrate all our influences, including Haitian. I do not see them as pest; but friends and neighbors...

Only a fool like you can believe that the countries of LA don't have their own version of the tongue like ours. Since I´m taking the pain of getting some education in your dung head, please read this paper, in order for you to realize the depth of your ignorance:

http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti/misctopic/leftover/whypoor.htm

Enjoy,

LAUTARO
let me know when the real fight is going down

i own a Desert Eagle MK19

and i'm more than willing to do battle, real battle to protect my side of the island

The Ton Ton Macoute said: "I'm just stating the facts: You are a self-loathing, ignorant peasant who doesn't know his own history..
I celebrate all our influences, including Haitian. I do not see them as pest; but friends and neighbors..."

Only an imbecile believe that africans have a single, monolithic identity, and that the haitians represent it. Tell me, macoute, why do you say that dominicans are self-loathing themselves when defending their beliefs vis-a-vis the haitians?

old school trinitario said: "let me know when the real fight is going down

i own a Desert Eagle MK19

and i'm more than willing to do battle, real battle to protect my side of the island"


How did you get your hands on one of those?

Lautaro,
You idiot. The slaves that ended up in la Hispaniola did no come from a single village and/or ethnic group in West and Central Africa. Almost from the start Slaves, Tainios and Spaniards were intermixing. What is more for many, centuries after the arrival of the conquistadores there was only ONE colony:
...The Spanish governors began importing enslaved Africans for labor. In 1517, Carlos V authorized the draft of slaves. The Taínos became virtually extinct on the island of Hispaniola. Some who evaded capture fled to the mountains and established independent settlements. There survivors mixed with escaped African slaves (runaways called maroons) and produced a multiracial generation called zambos. French settlers later called people of mixed African and Amerindian ancestry marabou.

Lautaro,
France and Spain settled hostilities on the island by the Treaty of Ryswick of 1697, which divided Hispaniola between them. France received the western third and subsequently named it Saint-Domingue. Many French colonists soon arrived and established plantations in Saint-Domingue due to high profit potential. From 1713 to 1787, approximately 30,000 colonists, emigrated from Bordeaux, France to the western part of the island. By about 1790, Saint-Domingue had greatly overshadowed its eastern counterpart in terms of wealth and population. It quickly became the richest French colony in the New World due to the immense profits from the sugar, coffee and indigo industries. The labor and knowledge of thousands of enslaved Africans made it possible, who brought skills and technology for indigo production to the island. The French-enacted Code Noir (Black Code), prepared by Colbert and ratified by Louis XIV, established rigid rules on slave treatment and permissible freedom.

Lautauro, Man you are the BEST !!!!! You shut everybody up.

Macoute said: You idiot. The slaves that ended up in la Hispaniola did no come from a single village and/or ethnic group in West and Central Africa. Almost from the start Slaves, Tainios and Spaniards were intermixing. What is more for many, centuries after the arrival of the conquistadores there was only ONE colony."

Moron, that is the same thing that I have been trying to get into your thick skull. From 1494 to 1661 there was only one colony on this island, one that was populated by the ancestors of the current dominican populace ONLY. From 1661 to 1804 there would be two colonies on the island, both of whom would have many things that would set them apart. For starters, the economic regime of the western part would be of the sugar and coffee plantations, whose grinding labour regime would consume thousands upon thousands of slaves per year, slaves that would be kept marginalized from the mainstream colonial society, unlike what happened on the eastern side (cont...)

(cont..) unlike what happened on the eastern part, where the colonial economic regime, that of the cattle ranching, maintained the colony in such a poverty that masters and slaves would live on the same conditions, which would make the former social differences to gradually disappear and evolve into something more akin the regime seen on the country's current large land estates, where the señores treat the peasants in a paternalistic way. On the eastern part, you incurable ignorant, the free people actually outnumbered the ones which where enslaved in such a way that, by the time the first wave of haitian invasions happened (1801), the haitians would be dismayed by the discovery of the fact that the few people remaining in bondage didn't want to have any intercourse whatsoever with them. They were as hispanicized as any castillian hidalgo living on Santo Domingo, and, like them, they got their livelihood by raising and hunting cattle in the montes, and (cont...)

Lautaro:
You are another one that is carrying the banner proudly!
I am proud of you!
But there is really no contest with the macoute, he is so bitter he can only curse and swear at "the ignorant peasants" (poor peasants) and provide no intelligent rebuttal.
Anyway the education you are providing for us other readers is enlightening and interesting.

(cont...) and from the situado, or monthly payment that came to the colony from Mexico, without which the spanish colony would have disappeared altogether. As you can see, only incurable naives or partisan fools (something that you have shown enough proofs of being) can believe that human kinship can be established by the superficial trait of skin color only, when there are other invincible things separating us, such as the unwillingness of any of us to relinquish our mother tongue (spanish in our case, kreyol in theirs), way of life and religious beliefs among others. The common haitian or dominican joe could not care any less about each other, the only thing that they want is to put the food on the family's table and survival in general.

Your wish is my command, generalisimo generoso. LOL

Hey Lat very good point over all, what you have said about the purge you are 101% accurate. Since Haitian independence 1804 and during that period of time a great exodus of white and, mulatto toward cuba and the western side of the island have taken place due to fear and persecution, and more recently it was was followed by noiriste under Estime, Duvalier (the monster) I think it was the turning point that started the constanst declined, obviously when most of the middle class mostly of white or mullato extraction was encouraged or force into exile it does affect the all economy and Haiti never recovered. Jaci two wrong do not make it right.

Hey Lat a little correction creole can be undertood by any nation that speak it not only Haitians, I understand the french started spoken creole first as away to dumb down the language so the slaves can understand them, the slaves will follow suit by adding some of theirs, the root of creole is french based.. cont 1

Cont2
Let me point some real hypocritical fact in Haitian history Estime started noiriste apparently because he was turned down by a mulatresse, Duvalier Father wife was a mulatresse, Duvalier son wife was a mulatresse, who is fooling who ? I take exception with any anectodote justifying noiriste, this clearly was a manipulation by bossale politicians to fool the black majority.
Some of my Haitians brothers maybe offended, however this is my opinion.

Thanks for the info, antonio. I might pay a visit to Martinique or Guadeloupe one of these days to compare some linguistical notes, and to proceed into my historical investigations. Do you have any info about them?

As a parting shot, jacirez, I'll ask you only one more question: Do you stand for the idiotic remark that haitian1804 have said, that is, the insult of calling us dominicans a people without history?

jacirez is scraping the ice of his windshield in northern Alberta aka Siberia

Lautaro start with this creole speaking countries, not including where creole is is widely spoken DR and Cuba ect.. enjoy You will find country in the ocean indian like seychelle and Maritius that
speak creole.


http://creoles.free.fr/Cours/anglais/Creole.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creoles_and_Patois
http://www.afrocubaweb.com/haiticuba.htm

Tonyj senor winter will be coming for your ass pretty soon also ....make sure you shovel all that snow out of your driveway

What's up GC? Did you get tired of being sailing from sandbar to sandbar? LOL

soy andaluz de pura cepa

head up and stare the colon in chase them out of the island, Rochambeau ask for a cease fire to honored the bravery of Capois, that was our father and we r proud of them. "nou se wozo nou pliye men nou pa kase" we r poor but we'r not dead in no time we'll rise again and show the world and the hypocrites that we can't be defeat . i m light skin more than Latino for y'all that may have think about anything about racist or else to the dominican people that have a bigger percentage than us . i hope you guys understand now.

haitian1804:
Hey you!
Get off your masters computer desk and go back to the yard now!
BTW I need a good worker with a machete to clean up an empty lot I have full of shrubbery in the outskirts of Saint Domingue, are you interested in making some quick cash?

To Haitian 1804.
...Dessalines scourged the"cultivateurs with the lianne and/or a kokomakak "cultivateurs can be controlled only by fear of punishment or death"declared Dessalines. " and I will lead them only by those means.
...The immorality of Dessalines and his court was notorious.Surrounded like a sultan by mistresses of all colors,some chosen for their delicate beauty,others wallowing in fat,Dessalines claimed the doit du seigneur in every town,so mothers would send away their daughters on the emperor's approach.
Public fund lined private pockets"Plimen poul la,men pa kitel rele" (pluck the chicken but do not make it cry out) was the watchword from the emperor himself.
...Dessalines,whose suspicions never slept,at different times he considered killing all the generals including Petion and Christophe.
...Chistophe approached Petion and snapped:How long are going to be ruled by such a caperer?"
...October13, 1806 "My horse will wade in blood..." said Dessalines
Sad history ?

Haitian 1804 I am a social historian.I study the past objectively so i can predict the future.
I am a serious Haitian Domincan man,my mother Dominican ,my father Haitian.
I am very concerned for the future of these two nations that are separed by an arbitrary fontier.
I have admired your intellect and all the the others involved in this debate, but what I am waiting for is when are we going to map a way out of this mess,of this conflict.
Conflict means:The oppostion of mutually exclusive impulses,desires,and tendencies.
This means that the Dominicans do not want you in their country. You keep spitting insults like by doing so they will accept you . If I show them how smart I am and what a rich history that Ihave then they will accept me in their country.
But I am telling you not to bet on your history.Use common sense to get accepted.
If you have such a rich past without any stain or sin,for God sake STAY HOME.
Save yourself all these humiliating posts.
Got it ????

"
Written by: gouletcolonial, 20 Nov 2008 1:02 PM
From: Spain, Sanlucar de Barrameda..Coto Doñana
Tonyj senor winter will be coming for your ass pretty soon also ....make sure you shovel all that snow out of your driveway
"
Jaja GC your 5 cents, surprise it melt away

Sometimes I feel that it's true what some people say about history, etiennc, namely, that the more things change, the more they remain the same.

there s an error i ve post a previous comment to you specially etiennc to bad it ain't how on the web page. By da way I ll let you know I'm home Haiti (see my profile.silly) as 90 percent of all of you dominicans that are posting on this website are out of their home country.why?you were more lucky than those at the mona canal, oh maybe you ve been cannibalism also to flee misery from DR (too bad).I ll let you know something that i m not proud to post but the truth is the truth. 90 percent thinks all the Dominicans( man) are slayer, vagrant. 95 percent of haitian thinks also that all the Dominicans(woman) are hookers. but 95 percent of all the Dominican that thinks bad thing about haiti have never set foot here. more than 80 % of Haitian is unemployed here. this is the only country in the world with this rate of unemployement that have such a low crime, and other shit like hookers.you know what i think you better go back take another shower cause you just shit on yourself again

other stuff why DR ( "St-Domingue in french") keep the old name that the masters of slave gave the island. while us Haitian took the first name of the island ("Ayiti" : high land_ in the indians languages).it s because DR have been never free.you know what does that mean when you have the power to rename yourself from the name they gave you. It's mean revolution it's an isult to the person who gave you the name.
"our existence beginning with the founding of Santo Domingo city on 1494, yours when Bertrand D'Ógeron established Saint Domingue on 1661. Do the math and let's talk later, ok (that is, if you're educated enough to know how to count)" from a silly name Lautaro. I m not your teacher but I ll let you know when columbus set foot dec.5 1492 at mole St-Nicolas (Nord-ouest,Haiti) he left a strongplace name " La navidad" ,"La nativite (in french)" made with the rest of "la Santa Maria" at Caracol (Nord,Haiti).this was the first place of colonisation. Let's do the math now.!!!!

You're the one who needs to do the math, child, because every sociology book on this world will tell you that the birth of a nation is marked by the appearance of its language, and yours (kreyol) can only be traced to the middle of the XVIII century (1750 to be more exact), when the first proverb in kreyol is said to have been heard. In other words, your nation had no business or intercourse whatsoever with the spaniards on this island until Jean Francois Papillon, Georges Biassou, Jeannot Bullet, Toussaint Louverture (who was called Toussaint Breda at the time) and the other rebel leaders decided with their bands to join their ranks during the 1791 uprising. Please, get back to school kid, cuz your ignorance is making all of us, dominicans and haitians alike, to look bad on the eyes of the rest of the world.

hahaahah...every sociology book you said? does that mean you had a nation with a nationality the day the spaniards set foot here? you are such ashame,boy.by da way did I talk about the birth of a nation on my comment. You can't be a nation with not a nationality, i can t wast time with you my man go back to school. imaybe you wanted to talk about civilization but anyway i was just teaching you that the first place of colonisation was not in 1494 as you said but 1492at Caracol when the spaniards

set a strongplace name lanavidad dec ,25 1492 where he left many soldiers, and that was also the first place of clash between spaniards and Indians. for the rest do as the others ,go to school

set a strongplace name lanavidad dec ,25 14were he left many soldiers, and that was also the first place of clash between spaniards and Indians. for the rest do as the others ,go to school

To someone who should remain nameless

Dominican Today offers this medium so we can have productive dialogue,discussions and debates
Dialogue means we agree with each other
Discussions means we don't agree and we are trying to convincce each other to espouse our points of views
Debates we are tring to convince the OTHER READERS ( the audience)to decide who is right.
A post can be an open ended , we are inviting a response
A post can be close ended you do not expect a response in that case and you shut up.
When you post an close ended statement and you contunue to post it is beacuse that there is a struggle between your instint and the sentiment they are trying to instill in you.
They have brought to Santo Domingo slaves from various ethnic temperaments Some were smart, intelligent ,quiet,god worker,clean,and social .Some others were dumb,lazy,troublemaker,loud,cannibal,and antisocial.
We observe these genetic traits today in some Haitians.
Just read their posts

yeah cannibal etiennc.Sorry, was you on the boat? did you go trough it to go to usa? but i think a huge percentage of Haitian is intelligent ,quiet,smart, good worker,clean,and social as do some dominicans, you r so unlucky.

read :dialogues
instinct
convince

In this medium we are trying to eNlighten people so they have charater to curb their bad temperaments (their bad natural instincts)
A dog will do his busyness in your living roon,he will one leg a pisses in your dainig room.This is his temperament.If you want him to adopt proper manners we need to train him.Take outside every morning to an isolated area and direct him to do his busyness a piss there.
Once he is trained every morning he will come to yoy and signals to you that he wants to get outside.
GENEROSO, LAUTARO,AM I NOT RIGHT ??

haitian1804 said: "set a strongplace name lanavidad dec ,25 14were he left many soldiers, and that was also the first place of clash between spaniards and Indians. for the rest do as the others ,go to school".

If you would have gone to school instead of reading comic books you would have also come to realize that: 1) the garrison left on La Navidad would be only a handful, and 2) the fort would be razed to the ground by the indians, after avenging themselves on the excesses committed by the garrison over the space of a single month, so it can't be considered as the proper first european settlement on the island, kid. Unlike the case of the town of Isabela in Puerto Plata were the first proper city would be built, the first town hall, church, etc. So, please kid, stop embarrasing your elders with your amusing (but increasingly tiresome), rants. Cuz', as my friend dreadlocks would say, your rants are like the attempts of a mouse at roaring.

TO SOMEONE WHO SHOULD REMAIN NAMELESS
Insulting is the recourse of cowards.
When you challenge their crooked ideas , they clutch jealously to them.
I am man enough to allow my ideas to be challenged.If I am wrong I am man enough to say so.
Only the sissies and the children curse when they prove them wrong and when they prove that their ideas are old fashioned.
An idiot is someone who can not learn ,A stupid is some who refuses to learn .A cretin is someone who has a nutritional deficiency and can not learn.
Which one applies to you ????

" save the mules "

haitian 1804
I am not through yet you mutt with "delirium grandeur" that will never materialize about ancient Dominican-Haitian history that will never repeat itself.
We Dominicans are not color or race bigots like some Haitians are, we have had rulers that were black like "Lilis" that was mentioned before and even more recently Jose Francisco Peña Gomez poor black son of Haitian parents that rose to be the leader and intellectual architect of the major party the PRD that has governed the country in many occasions.
You are so proud of having your "own business" and what may that be? Selling contaminated and expired dirt cookies to your Haitian brothers?
or maybe being a flufler? ( For those that don't know a flufler is a person who is in charge of keeping the porno males genitalia erect while the filming is being paused.)
Read this message many times and delight with the attention we are conferring on you, you sick
mongrel, I will not reply to your ignoramus posts any more

The skunk ejects a foul-smeling secretion from glands near its anus and crawls back in its stinking hole.
That's is the way it protects its territory .It is very territorial (nationalistic)


"SAVE THE SKUNKS"

"Written by: etiennc, 21 Nov 2008 10:48 PM
From: United States
The skunk ejects a foul-smeling secretion from glands near its anus and crawls back in its stinking hole.
That's is the way it protects its territory .It is very territorial (nationalistic)


"SAVE THE SKUNKS"
"
I drove over one... hard to get rid off... do you think the chinese will eat them ?

Antonioj I know they love to eat insects and worms.
Well if they can safely cut out the stinking glands from a skunk,they will them Ah Ah Ah


"SAVE THE SKUNKS"

Lautaro you wrong again, la navidad was the first step of colonisation. the soldiers left was the first european who lived on the island, "so it can't be considered as the proper first european settlement on the island" from you. it can't be considered by who, you? why? it can't be considered because the indians destroy the strongplace and kill the spaniards? Come on....admit it it was the first implement of the european here, but i do appreciate your research before you answered you r not maybe like genoroso and etiennc with their trash comments, but do more research an get ready I ll be there to answer about any conversation or questions from you,...ok son.

I smell a new kind of garbage in the air,
wow is really putrid and disgusting,
must be haitian1804 close by.

or it s your mouth that s to close to your nose...try to shut it. that may help.

"Save the skunks"
The skunk is very territorial.
He defends its territoty by spraying and foul-smelling secretion from glands near its anus.



"Save the mules"
The mule is very stubborn.