Cardinal says decision is 'strange'
Santo Domingo:- The head of the Catholic Church in the Dominican
Republic, Cardinal Nicólas de Jesús López Rodríguez, was the latest to
question president Leonel Fernandez’s decision to pardon and release
Baninter fraudster Vivian Lubrano de Castillo and four men convicted in
the Renove fraud case.
The Cardinal said he found the decision
“strange” when there were so many “pardonable” people still in prison
for minor offenses. He did concede however that the President must have
had his reasons.
“We know that many people are in prison for
trivialities, for silly things, so if the pardon were to be applied
correctly and justly he would have to start by pardoning all those
people who have spent a long time in prison for minor offenses”, said
the Cardinal.
López Rodríguez noted that most of the public felt
a deep sense of indignation at these pardons, although he preferred not
to include himself among this group because he understands this is not
his role.
“I prefer not to say I am indignant on a personal level; I know that the pardoned people are also our neighbors”, he said.
López Rodríguez stated that he was not aware of president Leonel Fernández’s reasons for authorizing these pardons.
The
president pardoned former Baninter executive Vivian Lubrano de
Castillo, as well as Casimiro Antonio Marte, Milciades Amaro Guzmán,
Gervacio de la Rosa and Pedro Antonio Franco Badía, convicted for their
role in the Plan Renove transport fraud scandal.
The Cardinal made his comments to journalists after celebrating Mass at Santo Domingo's Cathedral on Christmas Day.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
hooray for Nicky.....nice hat
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DR 80% Catholic; 20 % Protestant? Something like that. Who knows about the # of atheists?
But, 100% no separation of Church and State; In some sense the Church is the State, as it was once expressed by someone that escapes me. What a shame? The state of Israel back in the Biblical days wasn't the only Theocracy. It appaears that Theocracy is alive and well in the name sake country of Santo Domingo de Guzman the progenitor of the "Dominican" order. Ain't nuttin changed since the days of the Columbus' exploitation, and his Conquest of the New World (order) . Enjoy yourselves in little italy: Capite........Tuto bene.....Populo Capitoline.
Maranatha,
The King is coming!
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Urbi et Orbi en Cibaeño;;;;;No, Higueyano!
Written by: devin11, 26 Dec 2008 9:05 AM
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Being born of Catholic religous heritage and faith I still feel the church needs to be more vigilant and remonstrate about what is going on in the church than outside the church. But alas, hypocrisy is the
bailiwick of all institutions, public or private, and all men, solicitous or assured.
From: United States
“strange” is not the word. Your flock is the most corrupt, immoral people conceived.
Only your poor suffer, you personally should be ashamed.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
this is about the pardons ...at least Nicky had the balls to say he thought they were incorrect considering the times...who cares about beating on Nicky
From: United States, New York City
"...at least Nicky had the balls to say he thought they were incorrect considering the times.."
What balls? It looks to me like he was playing to the crowd and covering his own ass at the same time:
"He did concede however that the President must have had his reasons."
Hazme el favor, maldito cura. The spaniards have a saying and it goes something like this: All of Spain follows the church, half the people with a candle and the other half with a stick. Dominicans need to put their candles down and relegate the importance of such clowns as this fellow to the trash heap of history where it belongs.
Written by: yumnuk3, 26 Dec 2008 11:09 AM
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Nicólas,
What about the thousands of pardons given to priest ?
Written by: josean, 26 Dec 2008 11:39 AM
From: United States
The hypocritical padre imitates, Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!
The only person I despise more than Lie-onel!
From: United States
cibaeño75, Very Nice!
These clowns have made the same statements about corruption, drugs, cronyism, stealing electricity and each and every one of the deadly seven sins, day in and day out. But do NOTHING about it.
That is why I am convinced that shamelessness has been bred out of the Dominican people, or they never had it.
They will regurgitate this fodder monthly and be impervious to disgrace
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His excellency said that:
"“I prefer not to say I am indignant on a personal level; I know that the pardoned people are also our neighbors”, he said.
Indignant is not the word, how about: repulsed, sick and want to vomit, disgusted, disillusioned, dissapointed, felt ripped off,pissed of and incredulous of how aloof and "cara dura" these politicians are doing favors for friends with money or influence.
I guess there is not a proper word to describe my disgust and the shame I feel with all the thousands of Dominicans who feel this was a travesty and a mock of the justice system that rightfully condemned this lady for blatant misuse of private savings funds, money laundering and running a Ponzi scam.
At least she will be spit on by all and called names while she does her supermarket shopping by
the infuriated population that put her with her mockery and antics to stay out of jail posing as a
mental patient.
A blatant act of shameless misuse of amnesty power.
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
Just wait till Cardinal Nicky gets his super Tucano !!!
From: United States, New York City
"I prefer not to say I am indignant on a personal level; I know that the pardoned people are also our neighbors"
Exactly!. The cardinal can afford to live and would be socially accepted in the very same neighborhoods or areas as those that were pardoned. He eats with them, socializes with them, baptizes their babies, etc... The criminals who masquerade as DR's "elites" truly are his neighbors.
Written by: josean, 26 Dec 2008 12:31 PM
From: United States
Written by: texasshoe, 26 Dec 2008 12:26 PM
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
Just wait till Cardinal Nicky gets his super Tucano !!!
That's right Tex he loves anything that rhymes with ano!
From: Dominican Republic
ciby
Just like the brutal, cowardly and thoughtless murder of the heroic and brave Mirabal sisters sparked public indignation to a level never seen before that was the tipping result to overthrow the abusive Trujillo regime, this pardon might slowly have the same snowball effect against the slap in the face to our institutions and justice system by these political mercenaries that will sell any trace of ethical
conduct, for their continual permanence in power, for more blood money or for political convenience.
From: Dominican Republic
josean
Not true he is in NOT the same league as the other child molesters priests, he has many known lady friends.
Did you know he only wears US$1200 custom made Italian shoes?
He is also a Major general in the Dominican army with full salary and benefits.
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you should tell that to the attorney general not cardenal Nicky who was just checking to see what was in his stocking on Christmas day....The AG is the skunk and he should resign in protest.... or he is complicit
Written by: josean, 26 Dec 2008 12:49 PM
From: United States
Inquisidor,
Although it might not be this particular outrageous act, you are right. Soon rather than later there will be a spark to fire up this kindle of daily injustices that are dry and ready to ignite. Look at what has been happing in Greece lately!
From: Dominican Republic
josean
I heard vaguely about Greece can you refer me to some good posts on the matter?
Written by: josean, 26 Dec 2008 1:33 PM
From: United States
Inquisidor,
"Cuando ves que nadie se preocupa por los jóvenes, que no encuentras trabajo después de años en la universidad, que la Policía vuelve a matar sin tomarse siquiera la molestia de ocultarlo y llevas un año entero asistiendo a escándalos protagonizados por el poder, es evidente que, en algún momento, la cosa hará ¡bam!", explica Makis, un ingeniero de 32 años que trabaja respondiendo al teléfono en una empresa de servicios de Internet. Sus estudios le han servido para eso, para ganar 700 euros al mes con los que sobrevivir sin permitirse apenas caprichos."
Sounds familiar, no!
http://www.publico.es/internacional/182647/jovenes/miedohttp://www.nodo50.org/Patras-relato-de-un-testigo-de-la.htmlhttp://www.rebelion.org/noticia.p....lar=grecia:-fuego-a-discreci%F3n-http://www.iarnoticias.com/2008/n....nas_rebelion_europea_13dic08.htmlhttp://www.javierortiz.net/jor/dedo/grecia-y-el-derecho-a-rebelarseHope they are useful!
From: United States, New York City
Interestingly enough Greece has,for the most part, followed a similiar economic development model to DR in that external tourism was emphasized over other areas of the economy. In fact, tourism accounts for 16 percent of all Greek jobs while it accounts for slightly less than 15 percent of Dominican jobs.
Written by: josean, 26 Dec 2008 2:37 PM
From: United States
cibaeño75,
The comments of the young Greek citizenry have interesting similarities with those of young educated unemployed or under employed Dominican youth as well!
From: United States, New York City
That's what I'm saying. That your comparison between greece and dr is not far fetched. Also, Greece's recent history resembles that of latin american nations more then it does other southern european states during the late 20th century. Greece could very well be a harbinger of things to come in dr.
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Inquisidor, 26 Dec 2008 1:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic
josean
I heard vaguely about Greece can you refer me to some good posts on the matter?
Here's one:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/12/09/europe/greece.phpMore:
Mind you Greece, Italy and Spain were backward countries until 30 odd years ago.
Greece had the burden of the Greek Orthodox Church, and its royal traditions. Italy had the holy see; And, lastly Spain had Generalisimo Franco and the Catholic Church, same--difference;
Now they have Olympics, tourism, industry, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, King Juan Carlos, and Adolfo Nicolas SJ aka The Black Pope....Uhhhhhiiiiiiiii! It's 1492 allover, again!
Written by: josean, 26 Dec 2008 4:11 PM
From: United States
"Generalisimo Franco and the Catholic Church, same--difference"
Love it Arsenio!
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Josean:
Y que me dices del papa negro, mister potato "head", Adolfo Nicolas? Don't you feel a eeriely chilling draft all of the sudden? Our instead, do you smell the charcoal smoke from the "inquisitorial (pires) fires" that are warming the globe?
From: United States, (on Sabbatical)
Josean:
Y que me dices del papa negro, mister potato "head", Adolfo Nicolas? Don't you feel a eeriely chilling draft all of the sudden? Our instead, do you smell the charcoal smoke from the "inquisitorial (pires) fires" that are warming the globe?
From: United States, (on Sabbatical)
Josean:
Y que me dices del papa negro, mister potato "head", Adolfo Nicolas?
J.A., Manito, these Jesuits, and the myriad of agents of the Vatican run the whole Shebang...The whole Magilla,,,,,The Roller-Coaster, The Bumpers Cars, The Bath House, and The Squirt Gun Games.....Capito?
Written by: josean, 26 Dec 2008 4:23 PM
From: United States
Arsenio,
Thank you for the article the similatries with DR are errie!
Could this soon be a slogan in the republic, "Let it burn, let it burn, the brothel, the Parliament."
From: United States, New York City
"You see, the pardons are an attempt to control inflation and avoid a meltdown of our financial sectors. It had to done. We wouldn't expect the average citizen to understand the intricacies of the markets and its relevance to the pardons but...it had to be done. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen." oink, oink, oink...
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
Nicólas de Jesús López Rodríguez should not question the President's business.
Nicólas de Jesús López Rodríguez should declare that Israel should cease fire in Gaza, killing 200 people, not putting his nose where he do not belong.
How about to change the cardinal to some Obama look a like? There are 8 millions of candidates here.
How did Nicólas de Jesús López Rodríguez helped Dominican Republic.
Do not ask what Leonel can do for you, but ask your self what Nicólas de Jesús López Rodríguez did.
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
Whenever a religion figure comes out as political figure, we are talking about the interest.
Greed?
Orthodox,
Milos Korac
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Milos Korac==
Nicolas Lopez Rodriguez is a according to a post above is a Major General in the Ejercito Nacional; Does that remind you of the relation between the Catholic Church and the Ustashe in Serbia during the 1930-1940's?
Written by: josean, 28 Dec 2008 2:43 AM
From: United States
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
No Ustashe in Serbia, please inform yourself better, Ustashe are from Croatia.
We had Chetniks.
Cardinal can not be a Major General.
Cardianl of Serbia is actually Patriarch Pavle (Paul) (born 11 September 1914) is the Patriarchate of the Serbian Orthodox Church. His full title is His Holiness the Archbishop of Pec, Metropolitan of Belgrade and Karlovci, Serbian Patriarch Pavle. Patriarch Pavle is the oldest Patriarch among all Patriarchs.
He is very fond of the words of the Apostle Paul (after whom he was named Pavle), whom he often quotes and expresses admiration for.
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
His Holiness Dr. Gavrilo (Dožic) was Patriarch of Serbia from 1938 to 1950.
His first step was reconciliation between Synod and Governmant. Patr. Gabriel also put much effort into building a campus for students of the Orthodox Theological Faculty of Belgrade University. He continued the building of St. Sava Temple; all Serbian bishops gave large donations to this project. Also, some bishops from the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia and the Church of Bulgaria gave significent donations. He was an outspoken critic of Nazism, so he, together with St. Nikolaj, was arrested. He was first put under house arrest in the monasteries of Rakovacia and Vojlovica, and later in Dachau. After the war he was not permitted to come back until November 14, 1946. He created six new dioceses after the war and put a lot of effort into dealing with the new regime. He died on May 7, 1950. His remains are buried in Belgrade Cathedral Church together with those of Princes Miloš and Mihajlo.
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From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
So Arsenio, have you red the text?
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
I really cannot find a connection with the Cardinal, Ante Pavelic, Croatian Ustasha, Balkans and Caribbean?
Too many drinks for Holidays?
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miloskorac, 28 Dec 2008 10:59 AM said:
No Ustashe in Serbia, please inform yourself better, Ustashe are from Croatia.
Milo my fellow,
When I mentioned the similarities between the Cardinal LopeZ RodrigueZ, and the Ustashe--
I meant the way the CATHOLIC church was involved in political matters, and backed persecution. (droog)... Inform myself better? Milo, why did I mention the Ustase? Because they are killers, Da?
I have studied some of the greater Yugoslavian history history that's why I originally made the comparison. Get my meaning now?
http://www.mosquitonet.com/~prewett/newyorktimes.html
Ustaša - Hrvatski revolucionarni pokret---
"Ustasa terrorists killed 500,000 Serbs, expelled 250,000 and forced 250,000 to convert to Catholicism. They murdered thousands of Jews and Gypsies.
Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usta%C5%A1e#Racial_persecutionFrom: United States, (on Sabbatical)
You understand that what the Ustashe did is known around the world is not a little secret that can remain in Sarajevo, or Dubrovnik, or Beograd? It's in the books they killed people because they wouldn't convert to Catholicism. Now you sit in my country, and say that I don't understand....and there's no comparison....Just wait till they come looking for you, when you don't conform..Comrade!
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
Ok, that Cardinal is involved in domestic politic, but I wouldn't be so hard by comparing him with Nazi Ustashas...
There are not any racial differences in Dominican Republic, or there is?
Other religions have equal rights and can attend their religion celebrations, or not?
Cardinal is not using his power for personal interests, or he does?
:)
Merry Christmas and God Bless you all.
From: United States, (on Sabbatical)
Not yet, droog.
But, he's only reving up his engines.
Can't you hear the sound of the Toucanos diving and soaring, yet?
If not, just wait until the wind direction changes.
Zadiki
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
I am living nine years in Dominican Republic, never wanted to go USA, as it was not my country of interest. Than again, climate and friendly people made me stay here. So I always want to see things getting better. And it does, comparing with my first impressions from the year 2000.
Talking about Cardinal, he can not be a political figure, he can not be a member of Military order, or he can not give his personal opinions to the press related to anything that is not related with Catholic Church.
Cardinals are just persons, but elected by the same church. Then again he did not released any prisoner for Christmas?
Here you can follow his work, and how he got promoted:
http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/blopezr.html * Type of Jurisdiction: Military Ordinariate
* Erected: 23 January 1958
* Country: Dominican Republic
* Mailing Address: Apartado 186, Calle Isabel la Católica 55, Santo Domingo
* Telephone: 685.3141
* Fax: 689.9454
with 809, of co
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
Past and Present Ordinaries
* Ricardo Pittini Piussi, S.D.B. † ( 1958 Appointed - 10 Dec 1961 Died)
* Octavio Antonio Beras Rojas † (8 Dec 1962 Appointed - 1982 Retired)
* Nicolás de Jesús López Rodríguez (4 Apr 1982 Appointed - )
I hear so many good things about * Antonio Camilo González, Bishop of La Vega
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
S. Pio X alla Balduina
(Cardinal Titular Church)
S. Pii X in regione vulgo "Balduina"
* Nicolás de Jesús López Rodríguez, Cardinal, Cardinal-Priest
* Type of Jurisdiction: Cardinal Titular Church
* Established: 29 April 1969
* Cardinal-Priest Title
(28 Jun 1991 Appointed - )
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miloskorac, 28 Dec 2008 4:27 PM
but I wouldn't be so hard by comparing him with Nazi Ustashas...
There are not any .... differences in Dominican Republic, or there is?
Other religions have equal rights and can attend their religion celebrations, or not?
Milo: Since you are expert, yes, on Catholic Church chain of command. Maybe you are a polyglot, too. So check this article out, yes. Then, maybe you can be informed about the real deal. Not just what see or have "heard" in your 9 years as an immigrant in a foreign land, and culture.
http://www.lanaciondominicana.com....icia=4843&sesion_periodico=24 From: United States, (on Sabbatical)
miloskorac, 28 Dec 2008 4:27 PM
but I wouldn't be so hard by comparing him with Nazi Ustashas...
There are not any .... differences in Dominican Republic, or there is?
Other religions have equal rights and can attend their religion celebrations, or not?
Milo: Since you are expert, yes, on Catholic Church chain of command. Maybe you are a polyglot, too. So check this article out, yes. Then, maybe you can be informed about the real deal. Not just what see or have "heard" in your 9 years as an immigrant in a foreign land, and culture.
http://www.lanaciondominicana.com....icia=4843&sesion_periodico=24http://www.primicias.com.do/articulo,17997,html or
http://ultimaadvertencia.blogspot....lto-por-jos-abreu-periodista.htmlhttp://diarioevangelicoberea.wordpress.com/If you can read these you'll see that your claims are a fallacy: "No sabes donde estas Parado"
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Milos: Concerning the Ustashe---
Read Avro Manhattan's account of the events during WW2 in Yugoslavia:
New nation from old ones
The Vatican frowns on the birth of Yugoslavia - Catholic policy of penetration and disintegration - Croat Separatism and the Catholic Church - Catholic storm troopers - The Ustashi.
http://www.reformation.org/holoc1.html"By any means necessary?"
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From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
Uffff, I still think thats out of the context and that Croatian priest can not be a model for our Dominican Cardinal.
Please lets not judge the Cardinal in such a way.
Why do you see the speck in your brother's eye but fail to notice the beam in your own eye?
Matthew 7:3
From: United States, New York City
Milos, are you employed by the Vatican? You seem to have taken this issue personally. It's really all relative. Your belief system will probably not let you see that religion throughout history are based on myths, special interests and interpretations. If Nicky the Card wants to impress me or his "god", let him take off those ridiculous costumes, roll up his sleeves and work everyday in the hospitals and schools around the country. And BTW, the answer to Matthew 7:3: Because we are human beings and we are judgmental and insecure by nature. Doesn't anyone understand Darwin?
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cheworks1959, 30 Dec 2008 4:45 PM
From: United States, New York City
Milos, are you employed by the Vatican? You seem to have taken this issue personally. It's really all relative..
Hear, hear! Cheworks.
What's even more baffling still is that he's a yugoslavian/croat or Serbian, and he willingly ignores facts about the "holcaust" that took place there (in his homeland), and he's espousing a church and a cause (the DR Catholic Church) that's neither Christian, nor democratic. Esos se llamaban antes Calies!
Como le llaman ahora pico-chato? G2, Jesuita,o, Opus Dei?
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But, 100% no separation of Church and State; In some sense the Church is the State, as it was once expressed by someone that escapes me. What a shame? The state of Israel back in the Biblical days wasn't the only Theocracy. It appaears that Theocracy is alive and well in the name sake country of Santo Domingo de Guzman the progenitor of the "Dominican" order. Ain't nuttin changed since the days of the Columbus' exploitation, and his Conquest of the New World (order) . Enjoy yourselves in little italy: Capite........Tuto bene.....Populo Capitoline.
Maranatha,
The King is coming!
bailiwick of all institutions, public or private, and all men, solicitous or assured.
“strange” is not the word. Your flock is the most corrupt, immoral people conceived.
Only your poor suffer, you personally should be ashamed.
What balls? It looks to me like he was playing to the crowd and covering his own ass at the same time:
"He did concede however that the President must have had his reasons."
Hazme el favor, maldito cura. The spaniards have a saying and it goes something like this: All of Spain follows the church, half the people with a candle and the other half with a stick. Dominicans need to put their candles down and relegate the importance of such clowns as this fellow to the trash heap of history where it belongs.
What about the thousands of pardons given to priest ?
The only person I despise more than Lie-onel!
These clowns have made the same statements about corruption, drugs, cronyism, stealing electricity and each and every one of the deadly seven sins, day in and day out. But do NOTHING about it.
That is why I am convinced that shamelessness has been bred out of the Dominican people, or they never had it.
They will regurgitate this fodder monthly and be impervious to disgrace
"“I prefer not to say I am indignant on a personal level; I know that the pardoned people are also our neighbors”, he said.
Indignant is not the word, how about: repulsed, sick and want to vomit, disgusted, disillusioned, dissapointed, felt ripped off,pissed of and incredulous of how aloof and "cara dura" these politicians are doing favors for friends with money or influence.
I guess there is not a proper word to describe my disgust and the shame I feel with all the thousands of Dominicans who feel this was a travesty and a mock of the justice system that rightfully condemned this lady for blatant misuse of private savings funds, money laundering and running a Ponzi scam.
At least she will be spit on by all and called names while she does her supermarket shopping by
the infuriated population that put her with her mockery and antics to stay out of jail posing as a
mental patient.
A blatant act of shameless misuse of amnesty power.
Exactly!. The cardinal can afford to live and would be socially accepted in the very same neighborhoods or areas as those that were pardoned. He eats with them, socializes with them, baptizes their babies, etc... The criminals who masquerade as DR's "elites" truly are his neighbors.
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
Just wait till Cardinal Nicky gets his super Tucano !!!
That's right Tex he loves anything that rhymes with ano!
Just like the brutal, cowardly and thoughtless murder of the heroic and brave Mirabal sisters sparked public indignation to a level never seen before that was the tipping result to overthrow the abusive Trujillo regime, this pardon might slowly have the same snowball effect against the slap in the face to our institutions and justice system by these political mercenaries that will sell any trace of ethical
conduct, for their continual permanence in power, for more blood money or for political convenience.
Not true he is in NOT the same league as the other child molesters priests, he has many known lady friends.
Did you know he only wears US$1200 custom made Italian shoes?
He is also a Major general in the Dominican army with full salary and benefits.
Although it might not be this particular outrageous act, you are right. Soon rather than later there will be a spark to fire up this kindle of daily injustices that are dry and ready to ignite. Look at what has been happing in Greece lately!
I heard vaguely about Greece can you refer me to some good posts on the matter?
"Cuando ves que nadie se preocupa por los jóvenes, que no encuentras trabajo después de años en la universidad, que la Policía vuelve a matar sin tomarse siquiera la molestia de ocultarlo y llevas un año entero asistiendo a escándalos protagonizados por el poder, es evidente que, en algún momento, la cosa hará ¡bam!", explica Makis, un ingeniero de 32 años que trabaja respondiendo al teléfono en una empresa de servicios de Internet. Sus estudios le han servido para eso, para ganar 700 euros al mes con los que sobrevivir sin permitirse apenas caprichos."
Sounds familiar, no!
http://www.publico.es/internacional/182647/jovenes/miedo
http://www.nodo50.org/Patras-relato-de-un-testigo-de-la.html
http://www.rebelion.org/noticia.p....lar=grecia:-fuego-a-discreci%F3n-
http://www.iarnoticias.com/2008/n....nas_rebelion_europea_13dic08.html
http://www.javierortiz.net/jor/dedo/grecia-y-el-derecho-a-rebelarse
Hope they are useful!
The comments of the young Greek citizenry have interesting similarities with those of young educated unemployed or under employed Dominican youth as well!
From: Dominican Republic
josean
I heard vaguely about Greece can you refer me to some good posts on the matter?
Here's one: http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/12/09/europe/greece.php
More:
Mind you Greece, Italy and Spain were backward countries until 30 odd years ago.
Greece had the burden of the Greek Orthodox Church, and its royal traditions. Italy had the holy see; And, lastly Spain had Generalisimo Franco and the Catholic Church, same--difference;
Now they have Olympics, tourism, industry, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, King Juan Carlos, and Adolfo Nicolas SJ aka The Black Pope....Uhhhhhiiiiiiiii! It's 1492 allover, again!
Love it Arsenio!
Y que me dices del papa negro, mister potato "head", Adolfo Nicolas? Don't you feel a eeriely chilling draft all of the sudden? Our instead, do you smell the charcoal smoke from the "inquisitorial (pires) fires" that are warming the globe?
Y que me dices del papa negro, mister potato "head", Adolfo Nicolas? Don't you feel a eeriely chilling draft all of the sudden? Our instead, do you smell the charcoal smoke from the "inquisitorial (pires) fires" that are warming the globe?
Y que me dices del papa negro, mister potato "head", Adolfo Nicolas?
J.A., Manito, these Jesuits, and the myriad of agents of the Vatican run the whole Shebang...The whole Magilla,,,,,The Roller-Coaster, The Bumpers Cars, The Bath House, and The Squirt Gun Games.....Capito?
Thank you for the article the similatries with DR are errie!
Could this soon be a slogan in the republic, "Let it burn, let it burn, the brothel, the Parliament."
Nicólas de Jesús López Rodríguez should declare that Israel should cease fire in Gaza, killing 200 people, not putting his nose where he do not belong.
How about to change the cardinal to some Obama look a like? There are 8 millions of candidates here.
How did Nicólas de Jesús López Rodríguez helped Dominican Republic.
Do not ask what Leonel can do for you, but ask your self what Nicólas de Jesús López Rodríguez did.
Greed?
Orthodox,
Milos Korac
Nicolas Lopez Rodriguez is a according to a post above is a Major General in the Ejercito Nacional; Does that remind you of the relation between the Catholic Church and the Ustashe in Serbia during the 1930-1940's?
http://www.elnuevodia.com/diario/....deberia_quitarse_la_sotana/510700
We had Chetniks.
Cardinal can not be a Major General.
Cardianl of Serbia is actually Patriarch Pavle (Paul) (born 11 September 1914) is the Patriarchate of the Serbian Orthodox Church. His full title is His Holiness the Archbishop of Pec, Metropolitan of Belgrade and Karlovci, Serbian Patriarch Pavle. Patriarch Pavle is the oldest Patriarch among all Patriarchs.
He is very fond of the words of the Apostle Paul (after whom he was named Pavle), whom he often quotes and expresses admiration for.
His first step was reconciliation between Synod and Governmant. Patr. Gabriel also put much effort into building a campus for students of the Orthodox Theological Faculty of Belgrade University. He continued the building of St. Sava Temple; all Serbian bishops gave large donations to this project. Also, some bishops from the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia and the Church of Bulgaria gave significent donations. He was an outspoken critic of Nazism, so he, together with St. Nikolaj, was arrested. He was first put under house arrest in the monasteries of Rakovacia and Vojlovica, and later in Dachau. After the war he was not permitted to come back until November 14, 1946. He created six new dioceses after the war and put a lot of effort into dealing with the new regime. He died on May 7, 1950. His remains are buried in Belgrade Cathedral Church together with those of Princes Miloš and Mihajlo.
Too many drinks for Holidays?
No Ustashe in Serbia, please inform yourself better, Ustashe are from Croatia.
Milo my fellow,
When I mentioned the similarities between the Cardinal LopeZ RodrigueZ, and the Ustashe--
I meant the way the CATHOLIC church was involved in political matters, and backed persecution. (droog)... Inform myself better? Milo, why did I mention the Ustase? Because they are killers, Da?
I have studied some of the greater Yugoslavian history history that's why I originally made the comparison. Get my meaning now?
http://www.mosquitonet.com/~prewett/newyorktimes.html
Ustaša - Hrvatski revolucionarni pokret---
"Ustasa terrorists killed 500,000 Serbs, expelled 250,000 and forced 250,000 to convert to Catholicism. They murdered thousands of Jews and Gypsies.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usta%C5%A1e#Racial_persecution
There are not any racial differences in Dominican Republic, or there is?
Other religions have equal rights and can attend their religion celebrations, or not?
Cardinal is not using his power for personal interests, or he does?
:)
Merry Christmas and God Bless you all.
But, he's only reving up his engines.
Can't you hear the sound of the Toucanos diving and soaring, yet?
If not, just wait until the wind direction changes.
Zadiki
Talking about Cardinal, he can not be a political figure, he can not be a member of Military order, or he can not give his personal opinions to the press related to anything that is not related with Catholic Church.
Cardinals are just persons, but elected by the same church. Then again he did not released any prisoner for Christmas?
Here you can follow his work, and how he got promoted: http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/blopezr.html
* Type of Jurisdiction: Military Ordinariate
* Erected: 23 January 1958
* Country: Dominican Republic
* Mailing Address: Apartado 186, Calle Isabel la Católica 55, Santo Domingo
* Telephone: 685.3141
* Fax: 689.9454
with 809, of co
* Ricardo Pittini Piussi, S.D.B. † ( 1958 Appointed - 10 Dec 1961 Died)
* Octavio Antonio Beras Rojas † (8 Dec 1962 Appointed - 1982 Retired)
* Nicolás de Jesús López Rodríguez (4 Apr 1982 Appointed - )
I hear so many good things about * Antonio Camilo González, Bishop of La Vega
(Cardinal Titular Church)
S. Pii X in regione vulgo "Balduina"
* Nicolás de Jesús López Rodríguez, Cardinal, Cardinal-Priest
* Type of Jurisdiction: Cardinal Titular Church
* Established: 29 April 1969
* Cardinal-Priest Title
(28 Jun 1991 Appointed - )
but I wouldn't be so hard by comparing him with Nazi Ustashas...
There are not any .... differences in Dominican Republic, or there is?
Other religions have equal rights and can attend their religion celebrations, or not?
Milo: Since you are expert, yes, on Catholic Church chain of command. Maybe you are a polyglot, too. So check this article out, yes. Then, maybe you can be informed about the real deal. Not just what see or have "heard" in your 9 years as an immigrant in a foreign land, and culture.
http://www.lanaciondominicana.com....icia=4843&sesion_periodico=24
but I wouldn't be so hard by comparing him with Nazi Ustashas...
There are not any .... differences in Dominican Republic, or there is?
Other religions have equal rights and can attend their religion celebrations, or not?
Milo: Since you are expert, yes, on Catholic Church chain of command. Maybe you are a polyglot, too. So check this article out, yes. Then, maybe you can be informed about the real deal. Not just what see or have "heard" in your 9 years as an immigrant in a foreign land, and culture.
http://www.lanaciondominicana.com....icia=4843&sesion_periodico=24
http://www.primicias.com.do/articulo,17997,html or
http://ultimaadvertencia.blogspot....lto-por-jos-abreu-periodista.html
http://diarioevangelicoberea.wordpress.com/
If you can read these you'll see that your claims are a fallacy: "No sabes donde estas Parado"
Read Avro Manhattan's account of the events during WW2 in Yugoslavia:
New nation from old ones
The Vatican frowns on the birth of Yugoslavia - Catholic policy of penetration and disintegration - Croat Separatism and the Catholic Church - Catholic storm troopers - The Ustashi.
http://www.reformation.org/holoc1.html
"By any means necessary?"
Read Avro Manhattan's account of the event during WWII in Croatia:
http://www.reformation.org/holoc3.html
Please lets not judge the Cardinal in such a way.
Why do you see the speck in your brother's eye but fail to notice the beam in your own eye?
Matthew 7:3
From: United States, New York City
Milos, are you employed by the Vatican? You seem to have taken this issue personally. It's really all relative..
Hear, hear! Cheworks.
What's even more baffling still is that he's a yugoslavian/croat or Serbian, and he willingly ignores facts about the "holcaust" that took place there (in his homeland), and he's espousing a church and a cause (the DR Catholic Church) that's neither Christian, nor democratic. Esos se llamaban antes Calies!
Como le llaman ahora pico-chato? G2, Jesuita,o, Opus Dei?