From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
this should be the hot spot today ....Let the food fight begin....No Prisoners ! No Prisoners !
Written by: Lautaro, 29 Dec 2008 8:43 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
not even iraqi ones, GC?
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
you got me
From: United States
oops! you set yourself up for that, GC.
Written by: Lautaro, 29 Dec 2008 10:17 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
He had it coming, dread.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
I hope that the rest of the posts on this thread remain either civil or amusing.....thats a long shot
Written by: Lautaro, 29 Dec 2008 10:21 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
How are you taking gatita's elopement with yumnuk, GC?
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo, Mao Valverde & Miami
58 is not a good # at all.
it will take 50 years to removed 1,058,500
58 x 365 = 21,170
21,170 x 50 = 1,058,500
the # needs to reach 125 a day to really make a dent on the massive amount of unemployed haitians.
nobody wants haitians beggars taking the begging spots from dominican beggars.
that my friends is unacceptable.
From: Dominican Republic
Errr...!!! Are you serious? 58 Haitians Are you sure there aren't a few zeros behind that 8. If its truly 58 then its an insult.
From: United States, New York
WhySmitty, that's the biggest myth ever. Do you really believe that in such a small country and even smaller cities and campos people don't know who's who even if they're dark?
Written by: jacirez 
, 29 Dec 2008 12:52 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
This is an outrage...A blatant abuse of basic Human Rights!!!!
Written by: antonioj, 29 Dec 2008 1:03 PM
From: Canada, home safe
58 it's a propaganda, if there are 1million
Haitians, how many cross freely every week to DR
Written by: jacirez , 29 Dec 2008 1:32 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
Somebody needs to reign in the Dominican Gestapo!!!!!
Written by: jacirez , 29 Dec 2008 2:16 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
LightOfTruth,
Didn't you get to Puerto Rico on a Yola...then sneaked into NY City?
...Why you hatin'...?
From: United States
arkatype how many times have you been banned? You've worn out your welcome.
From: United States
I know now why things will never change in Haiti.
It is a lack of decency a blattant show of arrogant parasitismn.
It seems that the whole world owes Haitians a place to wash cars,to beg ,tol oiler in their parks
You have the audaclty , the nerves to get upset because a country decides that enough foerign beggars,chidren washing cars in their mistd
It is a blattand show of political immaturity when no one dare expose and denouce the ladrones who have been million dollars masions in Miami for their sex partners with charity money destined to feed and shelter the Haitian people.
This is displaced aggression when you are attacking Dominicans for telling NO WE CAN NOT .feed your hungry
I never knew that the Dominican Republic had a moral and a legal responsablity to care for Haiti's
hungry.
I never knew that Leonel Fernandez was the president of the whole island.
I thought Preval was the president of Haiti.
IS HE STILL ??
"SAVE THE RHUM PRODUCERS"
From: Dominican Republic
Hey Last time I checked Leonel wanted to be president of the entire island. He want to be like Boyer that's why he flew over the Capital or Haiti during the Hurricane to see how his nation is doing down there. Hey there are more than one way to skin a cat hey! "THE REUNIFICATION WILL BE TELEVISED"
Written by: Lautaro, 29 Dec 2008 3:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
That's the same question that I'd love to see if jacirez and the other "progressives" have answer for, ettienc. And before they start with their wave of ad-hominems, let me say that, even though I'm not a fan of dictatorships, I have and even more invincible dislike and hatred for anarchy and disorder, which are the very things that the continued presence of those beggars on our streets are representing. To tolerate vagrancy and beggarcy on our streets is almost the same as being willing to pay for the broken dishes of a party in which we weren't invited, and that's a big negative on my book, as far as I'm concerned. And yes, the boricuas, americans and europeans have all the right in the world to send back our ilegals, we don't have the right to tell them what to do on their lands, so they should respect our right to dictate our rules on our land.
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo, Mao Valverde & Miami
Hatianation
the reazon leonel flew over haiti after the storm has passed was just to see how many cows your people stole during the storm.
also to make sure the human gangrene won spill over the border.
and the only re-unification that will be televised is the one between Dominican military boots and Haitian azz
From: United States
Well said Old_School_Trinitario. Well Said!!!!!
From: United States, Brooklyn
Just 58... am getting sick!
Written by: Jander, 29 Dec 2008 4:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic
They have multiplied at a corner near me , there used to be about 5 or 6 not counting the babies.
There are at least 10 now, including granny. I need to break open the piggy bank for more coins..it's that or I have to wash the little finger prints off my car windows everyday..
From: Haiti
you guys must be crazy to want to invade Haiti. Why don't you guys TRY IT and see what happens. I don't hate good Dominicans, but I dislike the ignorant ones that post stupid comments. You have a right to call yourselves wanna be SPANSH only because of us. I know Dominicans are dreaming of occupying Haiti. What we did to from 1822-1844 will never happen.DREAM ON!!
From: United States
Hi Lautaro ,How are u ?
U know these arrogant parasites really get on my last nerves.
They suffer from partial amnesia.They sitill think they living during the years 1821 - 1844 and the Dominican Republic is still ruled by Haiti.
They beleive Haitians can go to the Dominican Republic like they would go to Jacmel,Jeremie,Limbe,and Leogane.
The DR is a sovereign country with immigration laws and a constitution.
Sure they are Dominicans soldiers or police that will allow Haitians to enter the country illegally for a fee
But when you start chopping down trees to make chacoal.when you wander in their parks beggin for food,when you are assaulting and killing Domincans,when you become a public nuisance tey have every right to send you back to your country.
And these arrogant parasites keep posting instigating remarks.
Well keep it up !!!!
When the Dominicans get really pissed off at these Haitians,they will begin to corner to say the word "Perejil"
"SAVE THE SKUNKS"
From: United States
The REUNIFICATION is going to be like East and West Germany. There will be no border between Haiti and Dominican Republic. Preval and Leonel have already signed the pact. U.S. has offered Leonel some undisclosed incentive to lure him to sign the pact with Haiti. since Haiti was the one that liberated the island from slavery, the new capital of the island will be on Haiti's side. The inhabitants of the entire island of Hipaniola will be called "Haitian" And the new country will be called "United Haiti". The Haitian National Anthem will be adopted under the "United Haiti" country. Then everyone will be happy. There will be no division. The so called "Dominican Republic" will be put to rest in a museum. LOL
Happy New Year !
Written by: yumnuk3, 29 Dec 2008 4:25 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
OH NO! Arkatype Is Back
From: United States
People it's a joke..... Im only kidding..... Just like most of the delusional haitian posters here that which for a? let me go to the bathroom i need to VOMIT before i post this.......... BARF BARF BARF.......... 'REUNIFICATION' LOL..... Double LOL on that.
From: United States
Haitian1804? i mean Haitian2008 - 2009! slavery still exists presently in Haiti, it's even worse when the french are no longer scarring your backs anymore. You are enslaving you're own children, it's called R e s t a v e k "COMPRENDE?"
From: Haiti
DR has a realy bad reputation in the sight of the rest of the world, and because of it animals act hundreds of container is blocked by the Haitian gvt at malpasse who from DR, means DR losing millions right now the merchants here are taking the goods from Panama. They think of threating their neighbor as beast would be a nice thing but the ignorants did not see it s just the hands that are feeding them that they r bitting, if Haiti cut all relationship with DR..it ll be a lost of nearly 500.000.000 $ us of lost per year for DR...so i dont have to talk about all the Haitian that r working in the cane field in the constructions that is help building DR economy....keep acting like a fool DR...Preval will be down soon and a new one is coming with DR in the head of the list of Haiti s problems...now you ll understand it s how good Haiti was for you....
From: United States
D.R. will lose $500,000,000 gourdes, Ha Ha a drop in the buckett!!!!!
From: Haiti
500,000,000 us $... A drop in a bucket?!> go say this to the DR gvt and the industry they d kick your ass back to your xbox little boy...
Written by: antonioj, 29 Dec 2008 4:56 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: Manhattanite, 29 Dec 2008 2:37 PM
From: United States, New York City
arkatype how many times have you been banned? You've worn out your welcome.
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Nobody like a genius like Arky( LightOfTruth), Manhattanite I have lost count
From: United States
ArCatype=ArKatype=LightOfTruth i dont hide myself like others, Manhattanite is correct kudos!!!!!
From: Haiti
arkatpe the terrorist...lol.if i knew it was you i d ignore you...crazy head....this boy want to make a new 9/11 in Haiti.....hahahahahah...crazy people...death to terrorism.
Written by: Lautaro, 29 Dec 2008 5:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
She must have gotten tired of the old geezer, I take it. He and his fixation with the commies must have become a hindrance to their "relationship" in the long run. LMAO
Written by: yumnuk3, 29 Dec 2008 5:10 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
Lautaro, I heard he was getting grumpy.
From: United States
What i can't understand is? How many haitians have to march in D.R. Before people get the message that they are abusing the territorial integrity of the country. And why? should we allow more poverty to multiply itself on our country, when Haiti should be responsible for the ills that they have inherited. Dont bring you're decay to Dominican Republic deal with the bad karma that you're ancestors are largely responsible for! That's my argument.
Written by: antonioj, 29 Dec 2008 5:13 PM
From: Canada, home safe
: Lautaro, 29 Dec 2008 4:12 PM
"From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
So says schmidt, the delusional Afro-Nazi skunk. It seems that abc is not the only wanker over here, GC. Seriously, schmidt, don't you tire of making a fool of yourself? Your antics are not even funny anymore. Drinking so much clairin can be harmful for your health, you know.
Well ettienc, continuing with your trend:
"SAVE THE SKUNKS"
"
the clairin must not be a good one, " mira lo k el esta escribiendo, maldita bebida"
Written by: Lautaro, 29 Dec 2008 5:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Yes, yumnuk. The old fart couldn't stop from reliving his greatest fantasy on sleep: that of beating Castro with a piñata stick and then defecating on his bodily remains. Pretty disgusting if you ask me.
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
Maybe to go extrame, and take the model of Israel how they are resolving problems with Palestines. Well, as the bullets are expensive, maybe to use huge hammers, as electricity is expensive also.
Written by: generoso, 29 Dec 2008 5:45 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
This is only the beginning of the mass deportations of illegal Haitians. The goal is to send 500,000
back in 2009.
The rest that will remain will go back on their own free will after their work status dries up and they
will have to return home.
That is the plan.
BTW What madman will ever want to invade Haiti to take over what? A basket case of a country with
an economy in shambles and rampant poverty and indifference by their own capitalists and elite groups that do not invest in their own country because they themselves are afraid?
An a non existent military to provide security and the most corrupt political class in history?
Give me a break, please.
From: United States
Miloskorac the solution is easy to end haitian illegal immigration. Here's a simple idea that can be implemented 1. Enact in the constitution a law that will guarantee 5% of the annual GDP to enforce the immigration laws, funding for detaining facilities, transportation, and identification of those that break the immigration laws. simply said creating a data base. 2. Erect a wall between the two country's, with security towers and 24 hour c.c.digital cameras/recorded surveillance. Educate and teach the troublesome history of the two country's, and most importantly the problems of goverment spending and environmental and energy issues that uncontrolled immigration represents. Pay handsomely a livable salary with many perks. Like paid vacations paid sick days and free dental and healthcare on the finest facilities in the country. 3. The navy should be assigned the duty of protecting incoming illegal migration by sea and should be given the same perks. CONTINUATION.....
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
But eight children caught washing car windows? Some special forces were used during this operation?
How can you deport Children??
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
I vote for for that President should give free IDs to all illegal foreigners who can prove that they have spent more than 5 years in the country.
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
Maybe to make a new highway connecting two countries? From Santo Domingo to Puerto Principe? And to open the borders?
From: United States
3. CONTINUED,. The army branch of the military should do reconnaissance targetting one province at a time, "OPERACION BLOQUEO" is enforced and incoming and exiting roads are blocked on the particular province, to identify and look for haitian illegals. Through intelligence gathered the sectors of the particular province with large numbers of haitians, are overwhelmed with military personnel then the arrested illegals are brought to the nearest detaining facility to be identified and then transported by heavily secured buses to the dominican/haitian border to then be repatriated back to Haiti. 4. Create an agency that will identify and heavily fine members of the dominican elite in the construction and agro sectors etc, that are exploiting haitians for low wages and wrongful employment. Start a program to hire the national work force to do the jobs that have in many ways attracted the illegal haitian work force, due to the lack of jobs in there native country. CONTINUATION...
Written by: antonioj, 29 Dec 2008 6:08 PM
From: Canada, home safe
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Written by: yumnuk3, 29 Dec 2008 4:25 PM
From: United States, New York City
OH NO! Arkatype Is Back
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He did not go very far, yola to puerto rico to nueva york
From: United States
4. CONTINUED,. To those that work in the construction and agro etc, sectors. Give them the incentive to own there own property, make it easy for these workers to acquire their own homes. 5. Promote the culture and values like art music especially to our children and educate and instill pride through media and written literature, that will kindle a fire in the souls of all dominicans for progress and prosperity, and believe me this problem can be solved.
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
Maybe to build train rails so we can deport them all with trains? As the only trains that we have in Dominican Republic and trains in sugar cane fields where actually these Haitians are working like horses.
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
Maybe to deport all Dominicans and Haitians together?
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
If we do not deport them now next steps will be French in schools, and voodoo in churches.
Written by: antonioj, 29 Dec 2008 6:45 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Written by: LightOfTruth, 29 Dec 2008 6:07 PM
From: United States
You should run for office, instead of staying in neuva yul, LightOfTruth for President
Written by: generoso, 29 Dec 2008 6:50 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
Haitians can be an asset too so we must not put a bounty on them.
We can even solve the energy crisis if we bought let's say one million bicycles and put them on a stand connected to a generator and have Haitians pedaling hard to produce electricity with man power.
Since we are accused by Haitians of being cannibals we must not forget the proteinic nutritional value of medium cooked Haitians on a stick as well, for future consumption.
Since we are always reminded by the Haitians of the poor, hard working and enterprising Dominican hookers making a living in Haiti from the Minusthat UN forces at their pleading request because they did not feel attracted to Haitian working girls. These brave Dominican girls putting up with the daily abuse of their Haitian counterparts can be the "First Legion" of defense to gather
intelligence for any Haitian attempts of violating Dominican territory, and furthermore should be armed with light weapons to defend themselves and their country.
Written by: antonioj, 29 Dec 2008 7:15 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Generoso soon you will be in Afganisthan with the big boys, other ideas about training these Haitians in warfare they can be contracted out as hell devil, this happening in a lot of latin countries in americas,they call themselves mercenaries
Written by: generoso, 29 Dec 2008 7:42 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
antonioj
You are wrong. Haitians are the poorest of fighters as they can not be taught to aim a weapon with accuracy. I can attest to that. They also have demonstrated very little "testicular fortitude" in the few battles that they have engaged in, except in the few cases where they grossly outnumbered their opponents.
They will be useless as mercenaries unless they could be used as cannon fodder.
Maybe they can also be used as target practice for the real troops, since they are good at running and retreating with great speed like their ex-slave masters the French.
Written by: antonioj, 29 Dec 2008 8:22 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Generoso, I would respectfully disagree there were alot countries in latin america that vastly outnumbered their conqueror and yet they could not overthrow them.
which respect to Haitian not a fighter do not believe the hype, my opinion they are.
Written by: yumnuk3, 29 Dec 2008 8:26 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
"Another peeing contest"
Written by: Trujillo, 29 Dec 2008 9:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic
58 is nothing, actually I bet they're all back in dominican territory and this time brought more people with them.
Written by: Trujillo, 29 Dec 2008 9:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic
You want to get rid of the border and unite the island? Ok, let's do it, BUT on one condition, all haitians move to France or another of those countries that want to unite the island, like Canada, and the DR keeps the whole island for itself. I mean Canada and France are bigger and richer plus they loooove haitian people. I don't think there should be problem.
From: United States
i bet 200 posts by 9pm tomorrow.
From: Dominican Republic
Trujillo how about you move to SPAIN and the Island of HAITI go back to the HAITIANS.
We have more right to that island than you do....and we will take back the Cibaos from you bastards sooner or later and I know just how to do it...... Keep up with the deportations you idiots are walking right into the plan.
Written by: yumnuk3, 29 Dec 2008 10:03 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
Dominicans have more rights because they have more indigenous blood then Haitians.
Don't even try DNA proves it
BTW I Shot Ya. LOL.
Written by: antonioj, 29 Dec 2008 10:14 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: yumnuk3, 29 Dec 2008 10:03 PM
From: United States, New York City
Dominicans have more rights because they have more indigenous blood then Haitians.
Don't even try DNA proves it
BTW I Shot Ya. LOL.
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I agree, not only also they were the original settler of the whole island, smitty do a little research before embarass yourself history 101
Written by: yumnuk3, 29 Dec 2008 10:18 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
Thank you Tony..... Que Vivan Los Cibaeños
Written by: abc200, 30 Dec 2008 1:05 AM
From: United Kingdom
U shoud open borders - one million Haitan restaurants are possible in US of A.!
This will reduce malnutrition among US citizens used to Big Mac and Fries!
US economy will grow!
S.
From: Dominican Republic
If the Dominicans had more rights to he land why didn't they fight for her FREEDOM?
If the Dominicans had more rights to the land why do they refuse to call it by its original name AYITI
If the Dominicans had more rights to the land why can't they........
How about we have an all out war for the control of the entire island?
Oh! yeah you can't because you are afraid. You DUMB IN A CAN have been afraid all your lives.
Written by: yumnuk3, 30 Dec 2008 1:29 AM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
I suggest you to take a trip to the cibao mountains...... so that reality can smack you in the face
trust me. You will meet The rightful owners of the land.
The truth hurts.LOL.
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
Pay Haitians to leave, they can go back to Africa on there own free will... The ones with money will stay. tourism will be big in Africa in about 5 years, with all that exp.
They will be help full
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
Dominicanation,
I have a tactic, to get rid of all the Haitians, I can not post it online I would most likely arrested under the Patriot act. But it would be ugly and it would not be the first time it was used.
It's from a page out of history ... A educated person would know what I am talking about.
I am not Racist but i will defend my own by all cost.
From: United States
The answer to our problem of haitian illegals and haitians in general can be solved. There's a country in South America called French Guiana. I want all dominicans to start writing letters to the dominican goverment to diplomatically make the case, that France is responsible for Haiti. Afterall the french brought more slaves then what they could of handle, and rebellion took over and they met their fate, that was the past time to move forward. French Guiana is three times the size of Haiti with an extremely low population less then 300,000 people, the country's official language is creole also french. The country boasts plenty of forests and natural resources. Dominicans wake up there's a solution to the problem of haitians and illegal haitians in general. The idea came up from a dominican blogger that while surfing the net i stumbled upon, i read the blog and i was amazed of his idea. CONTINUATION.....
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo, Mao Valverde & Miami
lightoftruth sorry to rain on your parade but i don't think the people of french guyana wants to be part of that deal my friend.
i still remenber 1994 when the clinton administration was trying to unload 10,000 boat people from haiti and nobody want it to take them i mean nooooobooody.
back then Panama's President, Guillermo Endara walked out of the deal delivering a black eye to Bill Clinton fat face.
Everybody in the MF world wants DR to carry the load just because we are next door, so mi amigo ese problema con haiti no lo tenemos que chupar hasta que se arme un lio y alguien abra un saco de pescosones entonces a correr se a dicho
From: United States
Insctint is to sentiment is what temparament is to character.
The instint (natural reflexes)of Haitians force them to migrate to the Dominican Republic
looking for food
What will make a lot of Haitian to stay home facing hunger and certain death instead of going to Dominican Republic and face the daily humiliations is Nationalism (sentiment and character)
Sentiment and character( Dessalines 1804, Haitian 1804) would trigger a passionate nationanism to dislodge the ladrones and the corrupt elite that have caused so much of Haiti's misery
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Unfortunatly ,These Haitians who are posting all these tirades attacking Dominicans do not have the sentiment nor the character ( the balls ) to fight the real culprits of Haiti's shortcomings
Well,why don 't we attack the Dominicans for all Haiti's problems ,after all ,aren't Preval, the Prime Minister and all those responsible to improve the quality of life in Haiti Dominicans?
"Save the balless cowards"
From: United States
Dominican Republic is a NO-MAN-LAND. It's a confused Nation where the rejects (prostitutes, thieves, murderers, rapists, criminals) from Spain were dumped. The only way the so-called Dominican can find his/her identity is to embrace his/her African heritage.
If Domincans want to feel the great sense of self-worth, identity and gignity that Haitians are so proud of, Dominicans should embrace the African blood that is flowing in their veins.
President Barack Obama was quick to appoint his friend Haitian-American Patrick Gaspard to this powerful position as White House Political Director. Obama is sending out a strong message that he and the Haitians are in charge now.
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
So this Topic would be: Nonsense and nonsense only, as far as I can see.
Nonsense is a verbal communication or written text which appears to be a human language or other symbolic system, but in fact does not carry any identifiable meaning.
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2008 4:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Schmidt, I only have two words for you and your balless, gutless, envious and greedy rabble rousing crowd:
"GET LOST"
Capisch?
Entendez?
Entiendes?
Understand?
From: United States
Spain dumped in the island what it didn't want, then why Dominicans are so subservient to Spain? Where is your identity? where is your self-worth?
Why do you feel so inferior? You are a lost tribe. Even the poorest Haitian is more dignified and more proud that the wealthiest Domincan. Pride is something that one is born with. It just does not exist in the Domincan.
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2008 4:15 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Why are you so annoyed by it? What's your bleeding business with dominicans being westerners? what a baby!! get a life, man. And here I thought that Afrolatino was the only one with an inferiority complex over here, guess I was mistaken. Oh, and by the way, pride is just another name for STUPIDITY.
From: United States
If you go to Harvard, Yale and all other universities in the U.S.,Canada and France, most of the black students are Haitians or of Haitian descent. If you go to all the hospitals in the U.S., most of the black doctors are Haitians or of Haitian descent. Haitians are rising in the political arena in Canada and the U.S. at an incredible speed.
Haitians will not just put Haiti back on track, they will control the world. Obama will help them to make it happen.
From: United States
Lautaro,
I am not surprised to hear the definition of PRIDE = STUPIDITY. That has to come only from a Dominican. No other nation in the world will define PRIDE as STUPIDITY. You have just confirmed what I have always believed of Dominicans. Thank you.
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2008 4:31 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Pride without material foundations and tangible results can be perfectly defined as such, specially in your case, if you don't believe it, look at the disaster that pride have wrought upon your country. Isn't that enough to get you awake from your delusion? Is that not enough for you to recognize that, as a country, you have made many grievous mistakes? As Einstein would say, only fools and imbeciles expect a different, better outcome from the same FAILED strategy.
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2008 4:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
By the way, reading the recent libel that you posted against us, the following remark catched my attention: "In television commercials and programs, dark Dominicans were barely present and most of the time weren't even shown at all.", an atrocious lie that can be easily destroyed by watching Telemicro canal 5 or Digital 15. Cuz' if you haven't realized it yet, wanker, in both channels, the majority of the programs (specially the ones with comedy) are heavily featured by dark skinned people from the populace. Next time choose a better fabricated lie, whiner.
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo, Mao Valverde & Miami
hey WhySnegri.
If Obama was haitian his first decree will be to depose the haitian goverment and sell all haitians into slavery.
luckly for the world and Haiti Obama is a more Educated black man than any Haitian in the history of haiti.
We all know what your people do when holding a position of power.
burn & loot
Written by: antonioj, 30 Dec 2008 5:13 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Arkatype actually I would agree with that idea, I have always think about that possibility this is something worth considering in term of a bargaining chip with the french with respect to the 20 billions they owe Haiti
Written by: antonioj, 30 Dec 2008 5:26 PM
From: Canada, home safe
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Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2008 4:15 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Why are you so annoyed by it? What's your bleeding business with dominicans being westerners? what a baby!! get a life, man. And here I thought that Afrolatino was the only one with an inferiority complex over here, guess I was mistaken. Oh, and by the way, pride is just another name for STUPIDITY.
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Lat, this is indeed interesting what whySmith is trying to portray here, if you want an honest independent opinion of Haiti etiennc have been pretty forth coming and have summed up everything to the point. It's so easy to point finger at others when conveniently ignoring your own backyard
There are currently club in the petion ville area that probably doing the same thing
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 5:44 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
You Ignorant Peasants!!!
You should be shot!
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2008 5:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
jacirez: "You Ignorant Peasants!!!
You should be shot!"
Care to enlighten us as for the reason, Your Majesty? What is it with you and the term "peasant"? Is it a giveaway about your origins?
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 5:48 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
Lautaro,
I would...but that would be a waste of a perfectly good explanation. Not to mention the innocent killing of several brain cells...
From: United States
Antonioj go to the forum section and post on the thread, if you agree of such a plan.
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 5:53 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
...You have to wonder how people can come to such scathing opinions without knowing even half of the facts. But then, if there weren't so many ignorant peasants out there, The Ignorant Peasant wouldn't exist.
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2008 5:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
jacirez said:
"Lautaro,
I would...but that would be a waste of a perfectly good explanation. Not to mention the innocent killing of several brain cells..."
As we're on holidays, I'd understand if you wanted to spend those on a good tequilaso, or a good braguetazo, to boot. So don't enter the mud-slinging if you don't feel the need.
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 5:58 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
Lautaro,
Oddly enough I did not get drunk or went broke this season...
From: United States
I will make this an issue, i will write a letter to the french goverment and D.R. goverments soon.
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2008 6:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I find that an extraordinary event, jacirez, considering that here on the Caribbean we've already spent the december extra wage on the ongoing pachanga.
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 6:03 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
Lautaro,
Living beyond your means seem to be a national pasttime...
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 6:15 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
WhySmitty,
Although I agree with the historical account you mention. I do, however , firmly believe you are thoroughly whacked. No more Beer for you :-))
From: United States
Dude you are one chest thumping ape bastard! LOL. What comic book history books are you reading! you are making me laugh so hard Whysmitty Ha Ha!
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 6:21 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2008 6:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Schmidt said: "The first ornithologist in the U.S. was the Haitian born John James Audubon. "
From what I have read of him, the reason for him to flee from Haiti would be the very slave rebellion that you're so occupied in praising. In fact, he would lose his mother (a spanish duenna called Juana Ravin) on one of the slave mutinies that cropped up from time to time. So I don't think that he would be proud of associating with the very people culprit for his losing a fortune (his father's plantation on Aux Cayes), so if I were you, Schmidtt, I'd not be so fast in claimming him for the haitian nationality, specially when we take into account that he would never return to the island after the revolution.
From: United States
Jacirez if you're so great tell you're people to leave my country you freaking "master of the toiletverse" Educate yourself!!!!!
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 6:27 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
LightOfTruth,
I did. I hold several university degrees, including a masters...
Bow down, you peasant!!!
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2008 6:28 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
As I told Schmidtt, jacirez, I'd not exactly label Audubon an haitian, in light of his losing everything to the brigands responsible for that nationality coming into being.
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 6:30 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
Lautaro,
He was born in Haiti, was he not?
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2008 6:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
jacirez: "Lautaro,
He was born in Haiti, was he not?"
According to Smitty and Dominicanation, being born on a land is not enough to win a nationality. Specially when they say that everything that was done on the DR prior to 1844 was not done by dominican hands. How can you hold that reasoning and say with a straight face that DuSable and Audubon were haitians, when Haiti only came into being after 1804? Can you say with me "circular reasoning"? Can we say then that everything done on Haiti prior to 1804 would be done by french hands?
From: United States
Each time your brothers and sisters become a public nuisance in the Dopminican Republic and The Dominicans( in their own right )ask them to go back home or when they refuse the Dominicans track them down , grab you off the streets, display then them in a cage and force them back to their country ,you the arrogant parasites, the sons of JJ Dessalines with a spotless past all you do is to curse out like the Dominicans owe Haitians shelter and food.
If Everything is wrong with the Dominican Republic " ASE AL FRITE" ( look for food scraps)
Be proud , Stand TALL and tell the Dominicans WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR PEOPLE STAY HOME.
All you do is bitching, weeping , and throwing tantrums like a bunch of little sisies
Rejection is a bitter pill to swallow for some
What part of I DO NOT WANT YOU in my country can't you understand ?
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 6:35 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
WhySmitty,
Again, whilte I take pride in my afro-caribbean roots and rejoice at the history of haiti; I am, however, deshearted by the inability of the modern republic of haiti to rise ot its true potential. To be honest, Haiti today is the very definition of a Failed State...That's a Shame.
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 6:37 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
Lautaro,
Hell, by this reasoning Duarte, Sanchez & Mella were not Dominicans either. Can you say with me "Croach of Sh*t"?
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2008 6:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Ditto to that jacirez, that's the very thing that I have been trying to get into their thick skulls, to no avail. Dreadlocks is right in his assertion that human stupidity is truly boundless.
SAVE THE SKUNKS
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 6:42 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
Lautaro,
I give up...
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 6:43 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
One thing is for sure: There are ignorant peasants on both side of the Massacre River!!!!
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2008 6:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Sorry Schmidtt, you and Dominicanation (also called by some posters Haitianation or Grajonation) were such a duet that I could not help but detect a suspicious coincidence in "ideas", if you get my drift. I took for granted that for your "Haitian Empire" coming into existence, you two had to agree point for point. LMAO. Hay que estar vivo para ver vainas, cuanta gente acomplejada en un solo sitio!
From: United States
Duarte Sanchez y Mella were authentic dominicans so go fool somebody else with you're false identity issues! If you haitians are so damn smart why your country is a literal toilet. All you got to do is pull the handle and bye bye!!!!! So much empty rhetoric.
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 6:53 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
LightOfTruth,
They were born into an Haitian Colony...I think they're Haitians traitors...
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 6:54 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
WhySmitty,
La isla de la Spaniola(Quisqueya/Adamanay) es una e indivisible!!!! Nationalities matter not...
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 6:58 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
Quisqueya!
Quisqueya!
Quisqueya!
Quisqueya!
Quisqueya!
Written by: antonioj, 30 Dec 2008 7:00 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: LightOfTruth, 30 Dec 2008 6:25 PM
From: United States
Jacirez if you're so great tell you're people to leave my country you freaking "master of the toiletverse" Educate yourself!!!!!
"
The historical fact stated by WhySmith are indeed correct some facts maybe subject to interpretation however WhySmith is on solid ground Arky, Haiti was not what it is today .
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 7:01 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
antonioj,
I don't think LightOfTruth, knows how to read so you may be spaking to a wall there...
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 7:03 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
WhySmitty,
Haiti is today a very important transshipment point for the international drug trade. Seeing how important drug trafficking is to the D.R, Haiti hold great importance...The smell of money trumps just about anything else...
From: United States
They are not haitians dumb bell, Juan Pablo Duarte and the other trinitarios were born on the spanish territory of Santo Domingo not Haiti. When the despot dictator Jean Pierre Boyer invaded the eastern side of the island the country was called Haiti Español, at that point we became an independent country from Spain not to be confused with Haiti you worthless human being. So stop riding our coattails you people are a bunch of self loathing losers, you haitians have no shame LOL.
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 7:04 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
LightOfTruth,
Still. They were Spanish subjetcs...Not Dominicans. Same difference :-))
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2008 7:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Ickle little Smittikins, if the DR is such a land of slavery and discrimination for haitians and Haiti such a "glorious empire", why the heck would they be as willing as they are to lay down their lives on the way in order to come here and enslave themselves?
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 7:07 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
Lautaro,
Pimp this out:
Ickle little Smittikins, if the US is such a land of slavery and discrimination for Dominicans and the D.R such a "glorious empire", why the heck would they be as willing as they are to come here and enslave themselves?
LMAO!!!!
Written by: yumnuk3, 30 Dec 2008 7:07 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
Lautaro, He will never answer that question
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2008 7:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
The truth hurts, doesn't it?
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2008 7:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
jacirez,
I'm not the one claimming the DR to be a Switzerland, so please, direct your malicious (and way out of base by the way) analogy to your friend Schmidtt. Ok? If something, I have been quite vocal on the fact that the DR can barely face her own problems, let alone the ones of others. And even more so when this other is the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere.
From: Dominican Republic
According to Smitty and Dominicanation, being born on a land is not enough to win a nationality. Specially when they say that everything that was done on the DR prior to 1844 was not done by dominican hands. How can you hold that reasoning and say with a straight face that DuSable and Audubon were haitians, when Haiti only came into being after 1804? Can you say with me "circular reasoning"? Can we say then that everything done on Haiti prior to 1804 would be done by french hands?
WRONG AGAIN LAUT. You poor excuse of a human being. AYTI has always been AYTI even before Columbus therefore Audubon is a genuine Haitian since he was born in AYITI. Now any so called Dominicans born prior to the date of 1844 are Haitians.
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 7:11 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
Lautaro,
You Campesino Analfabeto!
The point I was trying to make is that despite all the ills the D.R represents to Haitians immigrants, it is still a better option that the abject poverty of Haiti...No different than the reasons many of us have emmigrated to the U.S, Canada, EU, etc.
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2008 7:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Decirlo antes pues, idiota. Yo no soy Smitty, él es el que anda diciendo (junto con Grajonation) que tan inferiores somos delante de ellos. La diferencia, jacirez, es que esas naciones desarrolladas han tenido parte en nuestras desgracias, nosotros, en cambio, no hemos participado en las de Haiti, por lo cual la comparación sigue siendo inadecuada. If you must know, you're comparing a migration wave from South to North with one from South to South, the cases being different on the impact that the respective waves will have on the receiving societies.
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 7:14 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
Haiti (pronounced /'he?ti?/; French Haïti pronounced [aiti]; Haitian Creole: Ayiti), officially the Republic of Haiti (République d'Haïti ; Repiblik Ayiti), is a Creole- and French-speaking Caribbean country. Along with the Dominican Republic, it occupies the island of Hispaniola, in the Greater Antillean archipelago. Ayiti (Land on high) was the indigenous Taíno or Amerindian name for the island. The country's highest point is Pic la Selle, at 2,680 metres (8,793 ft). The total area of Haiti is 27,750 square kilometres (10,714 sq mi) and its capital is Port-au-Prince...
IT'S OFFICIAL: WE ARE ALL AyitiANS!!!
Written by: yumnuk3, 30 Dec 2008 7:16 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
Written by: yumnuk3, 30 Dec 2008 1:29 AM
From: United States, New York City
I suggest you to take a trip to the cibao mountains...... so that reality can smack you in the face
trust me. You will meet The rightful owners of the land.
The truth hurts.LOL
Dominicanation, don't pretend you did not read my comments.... answer my question
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 7:16 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
I am a South-Eastern Ayitian...What are you? :-)) Too Funny!!!!
From: United States
Boyer could not even save his own congolese slave mother, you freaking ape go fool someone else with that b***s**t. Boyer only enacted by law the abolishment of slavery, but his dictatorship practiced serfdom read a book big dummy. You people brag about 1804 yet enslave you're own damn children like i said, you people have no shame no shame at all.
From: Dominican Republic
ARKY How dare you show your face around here. The truth of the matter is DUARTE betrayed the Empire in 1844 and claimed the illegetimate indenpence of DR just a year later in 1845 he was begging the Empire for support to get rid of Pedro Santana. LOL. Matter of fact if it were not for the Empire DUARTE's body would have never return to the island of AYTI. so you better check yourself before you reck yourself fool The Empire has done more for you then you have done for it matter of fact the Empire have done more for the world than any Dominicans can claim. LOL Before you start boosting about the DR take a good look at your flag and remember who your masters are. Take a book at the entire LATIN AMERICAN Flag you will see her greatness. Indeed she is Great long live the EMPIRE.
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 7:19 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
yumnuk3,
"...I suggest you to take a trip to the cibao mountains...... so that reality can smack you in the face.."
I don't know about that. They may be busy marrying thier cousins and such :-))
Remember. There are no Tainos in the D.R they were either wiped out by uncle Cristobal Colon..or had the sense to intermarriage the Negros or Spañoles..
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2008 7:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
And you Smittikins have no sense of reality, which is worse, in my humble opinion. Keep using the historical escape hatch, cuz' reality will catch up to you eventually, whiner.
Written by: yumnuk3, 30 Dec 2008 7:21 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
What a bunch of gutless cowards.
Written by: antonioj, 30 Dec 2008 7:22 PM
From: Canada, home safe
This is getting better !! excellent argument Jaci about Duarte & the US
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 7:23 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
I propose a plan for reunification of the island under the banner of the Federal Republic of Ayiti...with it's capital in Port-au-Prince. Maybe get Bertrand Aristide to comeback from South Africa and assume the precidency. All those in favor...
Written by: yumnuk3, 30 Dec 2008 7:25 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
jacirez,
You know those who have Taino ancestry are the rightful owners of this land
Written by: yumnuk3, 30 Dec 2008 7:26 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
Whether Dominican or Haitian
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 7:27 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
yumnuk3,
You Idiot!
We have been humping one another (Spanish, Blacks, Tainos and everyone in between) since 1492. We are the most mixed peoples in the world. I myself have Afriacn, Spanish, French, Hindu, Taino...and Chinese ancestry...
From: United States
You are more likely to get sucked by a storm drain than have? excuse me while i VOMIT..... Im back ' REUNIFICATION ' what a laugh!
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 7:30 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
LightOfTruth,
Reunification is inevitable...It's the wave of the future...Join now!
Written by: yumnuk3, 30 Dec 2008 7:30 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
jacirez,
You stupid were not extinct were still here.
From: United States
No Jacirez that dark blueish face is not native to the Dominican people no sir!!!!!
From: Dominican Republic
ARKY at least we have 1804 to bragg about what is it that you DOminicans have to bragg about. your METRO? or maybe the legion of prostitutes? or perhaps your women plaguing the world with HIV could this be something to bragg about since you people don't have anything about. I'll tel you something else we HAitians can and will bragg about. WE are the first and only nation in North America to colonizer another nation. Its either you accept yourselves as being Haitians or we continue bragging about is Colonizing your nation. SO which will it be? and since I love bragg because I'm 100% Haitian and I have plenty to bragg about since I'm descendant of a great Empire I'm now going to bragg about the fact that The Haitian Citadelle is the largest fortress in the entire Western Hemisphere.
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 7:33 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
LightOfTruth,
Wasn't your grandma from Jacmel...? Or was it Miragoâne? I can't seem to remember. Help me out..
From: United States
You wish! not even close.
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 7:35 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
yumnuk3,
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
You idiocy amuses me...
Written by: yumnuk3, 30 Dec 2008 7:37 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
jacirez, It's very obvious to me you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
From: Dominican Republic
There is no formal legal definition of ethnic cleansing.[24] However, ethnic cleansing in the broad sense - the forcible deportation of a population - is defined as a crime against humanity under the statutes of both International Criminal Court (ICC) and the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY).[25] The gross human-rights violations integral to stricter definitions of ethnic cleansing are treated as separate crimes falling under the definitions for genocide or crimes against humanity of the statutes.
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 7:39 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
yumnuk3
Pimp this out:
The mixed descendants of the last Island Caribs(Tainos) who inhabited the Lesser Antilles live on the north-east coast of Dominica. This simple fact has been so exaggerated and distorted over the last thirty years of tourism publicity, that there tends to be much misunderstanding, bewilderment and eventual disappointment among visitors who come to view the Carib Territory as one of the ‘attractions’ of Dominica.
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 7:40 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
By the 18th century, Taíno society had been devastated by introduced diseases such as smallpox, as well as other problems like intermarriages and forced assimilation into the plantation economy that Spain imposed in its Caribbean colonies, with its subsequent importation of African slave workers. The first recorded smallpox outbreak in Hispaniola occurred in 1507.[2] It is argued that there was substantial mestizaje as well as several Indian pueblos that survived into the 19th century in Cuba. The Spaniards who first arrived in the Bahamas, Cuba and Hispaniola in 1492, and later in Puerto Rico, did not bring women. They took Taíno women for their wives, which resulted in mestizo children.[3]
Written by: etiennc, 30 Dec 2008 7:40 PM
From: United States
When I was toddler ,if my best little friend did not want to play with me or share his toys with me opr ask me to go back to my house,I cried and threw tantrums and called him all kind of nasty names.
Now that I am mature man , if some rejects me I just shut up and walk away.
When someone rejects you and you keep on cursing ,it is a sign of weakness, of dependency This is a cry to be accepted.
No they do not want you nor your brothers in their country !
All the cursingsand all the name callings will have the opposite effect. It will harden their position.
Le plus faible doit etre le plus malin the waekest must be the slickest
"Sispan ekri kk" (stop posting bovine waste)
"Save the balless cowards"
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 7:45 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
etiennc,
Shut up!
Written by: yumnuk3, 30 Dec 2008 7:46 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
jacirez,
You should read my thread on Taino ancestry
DNA is ultimate truth
From: Dominican Republic
Preliminary Declaration.
Art. 1. The people inhabiting the island formerly called St. Domingo, hereby agree to form themselves into a free state sovereign and independent of any other power in the universe, under the name of empire of Hayti.
2. Slavery is forever abolished.
3. The Citizens of Hayti are brothers at home; equality in the eyes of the law is incontestably acknowledged, and there cannot exist any titles, advantages, or privileges, other than those necessarily resulting from the consideration and reward of services rendered to liberty and independence.
The Empire of Hayti is one and indivisible. Its territory is distributed into six military divisions.
The following Islands are integral parts of the Empire, viz. Samana, La Tortue, La Gonave, Les Cayemites, La Saone, L'Isle a Vache, and other adjacent islands.
From: Dominican Republic
Signed
H. Christophe, & (as before)
Having seen the present constitution:
We, Jacques Dessalines, Emperor I of Hayti, and Commander in Chief of the Army, by the grace of God, and the constitutional law of the state, Accept it wholly and sanction it, that it may receive, with the least possible delay, its full and entire execution throughout the whole of our Empire. And we swear to maintain it and to cause it to be observed in it integrity to the last breath of our life.
At the Imperial Palace of Dessalines, the 20th May 1805 second year of the Independence of Hayti, and of our reign the first.
DESSALINES
By the Emperor, Juste Chanlatte, Sec. Gen.
Written by: jacirez , 30 Dec 2008 7:48 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
"...Many people still identify themselves as descendants of the Taínos, and most notably among some Puerto Ricans and Dominicans, both on the island and on the United States mainland. People claiming to be Taíno descendants have been active in trying to assert a call for recognition of their tribe. A recent study conducted in Puerto Rico suggests that over 61% of the population possess Taíno mtDNA...."
Add to that the Mitochondrial DNA of Spanish, Africans, Hindus, East Asian, and many, many others...So, what's your point...?
Written by: yumnuk3, 30 Dec 2008 7:56 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
jacirez,
Victors write the history books, telling about conquests and cultural
clashes from their own point of view. Sometimes it's impossible to
figure out what really happened.....
BTW remember history is his story
DNA the ultimate truth
From: Dominican Republic
27 Feb 1844 Independence (Dominican Republic)
18 Mar 1861 Spanish colony (Santo Domingo).
(Dominican Republic)(recognized by Spain 11 Jul 1865).
29 Nov 1869 - 16 May 1870 Government requests annexation to United States.
They spent almost an entire year begging the Americans to take them over. SAVE US FROM THE HAITIAN EMPIRE. SAVE US PLEASE. Freaking losers.
Written by: antonioj, 30 Dec 2008 8:26 PM
From: Canada, home safe
we need 20 more posting to break 200 hundred
Written by: yumnuk3, 30 Dec 2008 8:27 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
The losers had enough of you.... you can now get off your knees
Written by: yumnuk3, 30 Dec 2008 8:46 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
Dominicanation
WhySmitty
You clowns need to be committed into a mental institution.
From: United States
GOOD NEWS
The Dominican Republic under the constant attacks from BLAME NOT THE HAITIANS gang from Haiti, has decided to allow Haitians to enter its territory as they would to Jacmel ,to Anse a Veaux, to Limbe, to les Cayes.
Futhermore Haitians can chop trees to make charcoal.the can beg on the streets,they can loiter in the parks.the can annoy drives a traffic light to clean their windchield.
They can also go to any hospitals to seek care
They can also attack and harm Dominicans whenever they please.
"VIRE BOUDA'W VERE BOUDA'W JAN'W VLE " Mueve la centura como quiere
"SAVE THE ANARCHISTS"
"SAVE THE SKUNKS"
"NAJE POUN SOTI" SWIM TO GET OUT OF THE WATER
"POUR LE PAYS MOURIR EST BEAU "Morir por su pays es noble
"Save the balless cowards"
Written by: antonioj, 31 Dec 2008 12:01 AM
From: Canada, home safe
We need 4 more....
Written by: yumnuk3, 31 Dec 2008 12:29 AM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
WhySmitty,
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey goodbye
From: United States
Interesting Website.
Happy Holidays!
From: United States
We are all God's Children, created in the image of God.
From: United States
"Save the anarchists"
"Save the balless cowards"
We have destroyed Haiti ,let's destroy another country !
We have turned Haiti into a living hell.lets do the same with another country.
" Save the skunks"
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
All mens are not equal.
The quotation "All men are created equal" is arguably the best-known phrase in any of America's political documents, as the idea it expresses is generally considered the foundation of American government. Thomas Jefferson first used the phrase in the Declaration of Independence as a rebuttal to the going political theory of the day: the Divine Right of Kings. J
efferson borrowed the expression from an Italian friend and neighbor, Philip Mazzei, as noted by Joint Resolution 175 of the 103rd Congress as well as John F. Kennedy in "A Nation Of Immigrants".
We are all different. Cant be equal as well.
From: United States
We may not be equal in practice, but we are to be equal in the eyes of the law. This is obviously not the case anywhere in the world, but I think US has worked over time to get closer to that ideal.
Written by: Lautaro, 31 Dec 2008 12:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
jacirez said: "LightOfTruth,
They were born into an Haitian Colony...I think they're Haitians traitors..."
Under your reasoning, then Dessalines should be considered the worst french traitor on history. A thing that can be proven not only by his being under their payroll during the majority of the time that the last leg of the haitian revolution lasted (1802-1804) (and a very handsome payroll, at that), but also by his plotting with his french superiors the deportation of Toussaint Louverture, his commanding officer, and lastly the many crimes that he would commit against the people of his race under french orders, the most glaring of them being the execution, under grievous torture, of the rebels Charles and Sanite Belair. ¿Como te quedó el ojo, pilarín?
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo, Mao Valverde & Miami
To all Haitians please know this
" It does not matter whether people are rich or poor. If they remain enamoured of the past — if they think the past was better than the future can be — they will only regress, not progress. Defending the past is not the best way to advance in the future " (quote from my vast google library)
this exactly why Haiti has become the desert that it is today.
DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME DEBATING HAITIAN PAST GLORY.
Your present is a nightmare and your future is uncertain.
USE YOUR INTELLECT TO FIND SOLUTIONS FOR YOUR NATION
The topic is 58 Haitians deported by Dominican Republic not how great Boyer and Dessalines were.
You do this because is easier to talk about the past than the present and future of your sorry nation.
I sure there are many Haitian citizens that really help their nation prosper
unfotunally none are here on this site to see this bunch of cry babies
talking about ancient history instead of doing real work to help haiti
Written by: antonioj, 31 Dec 2008 5:12 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Amazing, old_school_trinitario, I will cut and paste your comment very articulate and well said.
let's see who is going to argue with this ?
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
tonyj were you down at the lake this morning with the Oakville Polar Bear Club ....that would be right up your sidewalk you liking the cold weather and all ....You know how the first Newfie came to Toronto ?.......well these Newfies were playing hockey on the St Lawrence river and one of them got a breakaway...Go Leafs
From: United States, La Hermandad
old_school_trinitario,
the reason why these anti-Dominicans Haitians are talking about ancient history instead of doing real work to help haiti is because they feel hopeless, they feel and know Haiti is a lost case, irreparable. So like a virus, or a parasite, now they need a new host to live from and survive.
Written by: generoso, 2 Jan 2009 7:03 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
old_school_trinitario
poponlaburra
lautaro
It is always a pleasure to read such clear and substantial remarks that reaffirm my hope that there
are real patriots and valiant Dominicans that will defend our country against these nay sayers and
Haitian invaders that live in another world apart from their sad reality.
These invaders have ruined their country and now since they have nothing left over want to
invade and over extend their unwelcome stay our country, like pests infect good healthy crops.
We must fumigate and expel these ungrateful vermin with energy back to the dark hole they came from. If we don't act with strong determination and eject them sooner rather than later, like the locust plague they will reproduce like viruses, propagate the creole language and instill their superstitious voo doo religion on the ignorant masses.
Soon we will have to surrender precious Dominican territories to accommodate these illegal invaders with nothing to lose as they are exporting
Written by: generoso, 2 Jan 2009 7:04 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
all of their poor, sick, hungry and homeless our way.
Written by: antonioj, 2 Jan 2009 1:55 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Look like Dominicanation is finally banned, let's hope he clean up his act in 2009
Generoso stop your bull cr?pt it's so easy to blame some poor folks that their only sin where to have been born in the western side of the island, your simplistic way of looking at the current Haitian problem is very naive for such a complicated and complex problem.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
tonyj how was the water ?
Written by: antonioj, 2 Jan 2009 2:29 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Written by: Lautaro, 2 Jan 2009 2:41 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
It was about time DT banned him, antonio. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for democracy and freedom of speech, but some vermin are simply just too annoying to be tolerated. Besides, it was a glaring contradiction to allow such an open and avowed enemy of this country to have such a free rein in insulting it as he had on this site, and during an entire year no less, almost two if we count his stint as rom1804 on the equation.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Tsk Tsk censorship rears its ugly head
Written by: Lautaro, 2 Jan 2009 2:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Although, if there is something with which I agree with him is that, if the elites of this country, be it political, military, landholding or clerical, don't abandon their petty and nonsensical venality soon, and the populace keep enduring it without battling an eye lash, then it could lead this country to its undoing in less than a decade. This warning is perhaps the only point on his rants that made any sense at all, if any.
From: United States
Lautaro, I read all of your past postings and it seemed that Dominicans, Haitians and outsiders used to praised you as been impartial and an intellect when it came to dealing with the two nations and defusing the tensions between the two peoples. What Happened to that Lautaro?
From: United States
Generoso, I read your past postings and although you came across as an extremist, you once had a great idea of tackling and defeating hunger within both nations (Aquaculture, aquafarming or fish farming can eliminate hunger in Dominican Republic and Haiti??) What happened to that idea? Now it seems you want to "fumigate and expel these ungrateful vermin with energy back to the dark hole they came from." Why so much Hatred toward a fellow human being?
From: United States, La Hermandad
Generoso,
The pleasure is mine. All these feeling were dormant for many years, awakened by some of the comments from some of Haitian posters attacking us and by the fact knowing that too many of them is enough.
Proudtobehatian,
if you read what some Haitians posted, you would completly understand our fury.
We feel for them, and completely understand what they are going thru, but what about our own poor?
Cont….
From: United States, La Hermandad
Dominican Republic is not a charity organization, Haitian problem is a complicated and complex problem indeed that is not our problem, and we can not even take care of our poor!!
Let the developed rich nations take care of this.
DR should help by treating the Haitians humanely, but we can not keep a 1.5 millions of them!
With what resources?
We feel for them, we completely understand what they are going thru, but what about our own poor?
Written by: generoso, 3 Jan 2009 1:20 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
To:
PROUDTOBEHAITIAN
I have great respect and admiration for the Haitian people and compassion for human suffering of both sides of the island.
My loyalty is unquestionably to the Dominican people not Haitians even though "I feel your pain" as Bill Clinton once said.
Haitians should solve and deal with their country's problems and not shove them onto us like they have been doing. Now Haitian Afro Nazis and supremacists have a plan backed by some in the new Obama administration to transfer so MORE of the great burden that we are now paying to the DR and that is not to be allowed by true Dominican patriots.
It is not hatred my friend it is called desperate survival. The DR is barely afloat and we as you know have millions of poor and disenfranchised as well and we can't handle any more from Haiti.
If we were on a lifeboat already stressed by being full to capacity would you allow other drowning
passengers to jump in so that the boat will capsize and then all will drown? No.
Written by: yumnuk3, 3 Jan 2009 2:29 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
generoso,
Great post! Very well said with a great perspective.
Written by: antonioj, 3 Jan 2009 5:30 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Generoso, your point is well taken, you will not have an argument with me with regard to the Haitian migration issue, however if you have read Lautaro's posting there are very good argument pointing to the fact that the blame should not be pointed squarely at the Haitians, some core people in DR are benefiting from that pool of cheap labor, wonder why your government have not takle the issue?.
I agree the DR as an independent nation should take measure to legalize the status of some, and deport others, however when I see country like france giving DR a black eye the for the treatment of Haitians I see pure hypocrisy at the highest level.
Written by: generoso, 3 Jan 2009 6:14 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
antonioj
There are military that benefit from the illegal Haitian border crossings and illegal trade that goes on.
We know that.
There are unscrupulous businessmen that hire Haitian illegals and then fire them after a while without paying them because they know that they can not complain and go to the authorities.
We know that.
There are big sugar cane growers and construction companies that hire Haitians because they will work harder and for less money than a Dominican laborer.
We also know that.
A big construction mogul in DR confessed to me that he rather hire Haitians because Dominicans when you tell them to dig a hole when the clock start ticking near lunch time they are looking for an excuse to quit, in contrast a Haitian worker you tell them to dig a hole and if you don't stop them they will get to China digging furiously.
So the government looks the other way because it is not of their interest to stop the exploitation of Haitian manpower, simple as that.
Written by: generoso, 3 Jan 2009 6:24 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
antonioj
Now regarding the French, Haitians should despise them and the mess they have created by not helping the
Haitians out after they exploited and black mailed them for many generations. Squeezing and
drinking the blood money that was demanded from the Haitian government until there was nothing left for the Haitian people.
If anybody is to blame for Haiti's troubles are the Haitians themselves for capitulating to the French demands and then the French for being so abusive in that order.
Haiti should continue with the demand started by Aristide in the world courts so the French will pay back the blood money extracted by force and their threats from the Haitian governments to compensate for the
Haitian confiscation of the sugar mills and properties of the French colonists after the Haitian independence.
From: United States
poponlaburra, I also read the comments posted by the Haitian extrimists. They are by no means represent the average Haitians. The average Haitians are only searching for ways to feed themselves and their kids. They are not looking to invade or uniting the Island. Haiti is Haiti and DR is DR. I do agree with you that there should not be 2 million illegal Haitians in DR and DR is not responsible to take care of the mess Haiti had created. I believe in legal migration and it is the responsibility of the Haitian Government and the Haitian elites to create jobs, schools and infrastructures to uplift the impoverish Haitians. One idea is to reinstate the Hatian armed forces that will in turn ceate jobs and security which then woul lead the way for investors to invest in Haiti and create more jobs for the Haitians.
Written by: generoso, 3 Jan 2009 7:36 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
PROUD TO BEHAITIAN
I agree on the reinstatement of the Haitian armed forces as a necessary evil to attain security in Haiti.
Their dissolution and disbandment was a big mistake, just like it was when the US army invaded Iraq and disbanded the Iraqui army sending millions of unemployed soldiers into the streets without a job. Driving them into mercenary actions and guerrilla warfare.
The Haitian armed forces should and must be reinstated soon but better trained to preserve democracy and not be an instrument of political reprisals, coup de etats, dictators and drug smugglers.
From: United States
generoso, How can you have great respect and admiration for the Haitian people bu at the same time you are willing to "fumigate these ungrateful virmin". I understand that your loyalty is DR but that does not mean you and I can not be civilize and dialogue.
From: United States
generoso stated: "The Haitian armed forces should and must be reinstated soon but better trained to preserve democracy and not be an instrument of political reprisals, coup de etats, dictators and drug smugglers."
I agree with you 100%.
Written by: generoso, 3 Jan 2009 9:09 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
PROUDTOBEHAITIAN
We are being civilized and dialoguing.
Those that choose not to and behave like Haitian supremacists, voo doo warlocks and Afronazis then we must fumigate them.
Written by: Lautaro, 3 Jan 2009 9:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Proudtobehaitian:
I haven't abandoned my impartial views completely. However, it would have been a traitorous and downright cowardly act from my part had I simply chosen to stand aside when vermin like Dominicanation and Smitty callously insulted my country at every given opportunity (by calling dominican women prostitutes, domyorks as drug traffickers, etc.). That, my friend, is simply unacceptable in my book. While I'm the first to recognize, and criticize, my country's failings, I'll not stand idly while it's insulted by foolish foreigners in the pursuit of a sinister agenda. There's a huge difference between constructive criticism like the one that illustrious posters like dreadlocks, texasshoe and antonioj (whom I have in the highest esteem) regularly do and another thing is the mud-slinging that the above mentioned swine did. That, my friend, is the difference that you're failing to see.
Written by: antonioj, 4 Jan 2009 12:21 AM
From: Canada, home safe
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Lautaro you left me off the list of highly esteemed ....Please Oh please do not put me on the list of swine I beseech you
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
tonyj the frogs should pay ,but their motto is " charge them double and give them nothing "
Written by: antonioj, 4 Jan 2009 1:42 AM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: gouletcolonial, 4 Jan 2009 1:12 AM
From: Canada, Toronto ,Scarberia,Kennedy and Ellesmere
tonyj the frogs should pay ,but their motto is " charge them double and give them nothing "
"
I taught I was Mr French fried, in retrospect they should have hired madoff do get their money back
Written by: , 4 Jan 2009 3:05 AM
From:
Lautaro, thank you for the explenation. I found you too intellectual to stoop to their level. Dominicanation and Smitty are delusional and should be ignored. They do not represent the Haitian people. In fact, if they were to go to Haiti with their gibberish, the Haitian people will knock some sense into them.
From: United States
Lautaro, thank you for the explanation. I find you too intellectual to stoop to their level. Dominicanation and Smitty are delusional and should be ignored. They do not represent the Haitian people. In fact, if they were to go to Haiti with their gibberish, the Haitian people will knock some sense into them.
From: United States
antonioj, I agree with you that France should pay back Haiti the millions they owe rightfully to the Haitian people.
From: United States
generoso, since we are dialoguing and you have define the terms of your fumigation policy, would that include Dominican supremacists, Santeria warlocks and Euronazis?
Written by: generoso, 4 Jan 2009 8:08 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
PROUDTO BE HAITIAN
There you go again, as Ronald Reagan would say. It is the constant broken record slander talk.
Instead of coming to Dominican internet sites to put the blame on Dominicans and incite Haitian hate,
why don't you instead have the petition that antonioJ suggested translated into Spanish and English for us to sign, to start a movement so that the French will find a way to repay back Haiti for the money they extorted from Haitians. Your goal could be to get 10 million signatures worldwide. After millions have signed it , that my friend would carry some weight to put pressure on the French to stop evading the issue.
Your "loaded" question is just more of the same, the constant denial and blame pointing useless chatter. BTW in agriculture when you start a fumigation policy to get rid of pests you can not discriminate which pests may be eliminated and which may not. All pests that fit the definition are terminated. No exception.
Written by: Lautaro, 4 Jan 2009 3:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
If that question were to be asked to me, PTH, then I'll say yes, they should also be terminated if some semblance of dialogue were to be achieved between both countries. Although I find it a surprise to find you including the santeria warlocks on the equation. Care to enlighten us about the reasons for your disliking them?
As for you, GC, you don't need to worry, cuz' the fact that I find your jokes at the commies' expense highly amusing prevents me from putting you on the annoying list. Besides, how could I resent someone who also shares with myself the fondness of enjoying a good sandwich from Payan's from time to time?
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
and a Batida thanks
Written by: antonioj, 4 Jan 2009 5:18 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"As for you, GC, you don't need to worry, cuz' the fact that I find your jokes at the commies' expense highly amusing prevents me from putting you on the annoying list.
"
Everybody love GC, great sense of humour... watch out Lautaro, he can be darn serious too
stay away from debating fine food, cigar, wine with him, I forget to mention communism also, make sure you get your facts straight ,or you will be sorry.
Written by: Lautaro, 4 Jan 2009 6:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Don't worry, antonio, unlike some people over here, I really do know when to identify the moments in which I find myself hopelessly outmatched. About communism, while I share some of the general ideas, I have my disagreements with some of those ideas and methods too, so you won't find me crossing swords with anyone on that department (at least not as easily as it was some years back, when I was younger, naive and more idealistic than now).
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
lautaro is a sensible stick in the mud who always eloquently adheres to his principles
From: United States
generoso, where did you get the slander talk from. All I did was questioned your policy and you clarified that for me. I am not here to slander anyone. I am here to dialogue. From the beginning I have said that the Haitians are to be blame for their misfortune.
Written by: antonioj, 4 Jan 2009 8:21 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Generoso, I think in all fairness if France ever get to pay that moemy back to Haiti, I believe they will if Aristide is back in power, DR deserve some kind of compensation as well. Lautaro what is your position ?
From: United States
Lautaro, I do not dislike them. I just wanted to know how generoso feels about them.
Written by: Lautaro, 4 Jan 2009 9:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
My position, antonio, is and always will be that Haiti needs every penny of that money more than anyone else. Who are we to intrude in a quarrel that is esentially not ours to begin with? If anything, we should be on the frontlines pushing the blasted frogs to give back every single dollar of the money they exthorted, cuz' we are the party that have to win the most from a recovered Haiti, aren't we?
As for the santeros, PTBH, I don't have anything against them either. If anything, I'm all for freedom of conscience, as long as the beliefs of the people belonging to other religions don't intrude into my own freedom of choice, that is. Sadly, extremism from all sides seems to be the norm nowadays.
Written by: generoso, 5 Jan 2009 1:38 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
antonioj
Forget about Aristide being back in power. Is a wet dream. The French dislike him the most.
Also knowing how stingy and selfish the French have been with Haiti I really doubt they could be sued or forced to pay that money. I could be wrong and I hope that I am, but I wouldn't bet on Haiti ever getting that money back. The benefit to Haiti would be if they don't pay, is to attract international attention to the matter and maybe be offered other solutions to help Haiti that will be put on the table,
by France or other countries that are sympathetic to Haiti's plight.
I concur with Lautaro's statements as well.
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it will take 50 years to removed 1,058,500
58 x 365 = 21,170
21,170 x 50 = 1,058,500
the # needs to reach 125 a day to really make a dent on the massive amount of unemployed haitians.
nobody wants haitians beggars taking the begging spots from dominican beggars.
that my friends is unacceptable.
Haitians, how many cross freely every week to DR
Didn't you get to Puerto Rico on a Yola...then sneaked into NY City?
...Why you hatin'...?
It is a lack of decency a blattant show of arrogant parasitismn.
It seems that the whole world owes Haitians a place to wash cars,to beg ,tol oiler in their parks
You have the audaclty , the nerves to get upset because a country decides that enough foerign beggars,chidren washing cars in their mistd
It is a blattand show of political immaturity when no one dare expose and denouce the ladrones who have been million dollars masions in Miami for their sex partners with charity money destined to feed and shelter the Haitian people.
This is displaced aggression when you are attacking Dominicans for telling NO WE CAN NOT .feed your hungry
I never knew that the Dominican Republic had a moral and a legal responsablity to care for Haiti's
hungry.
I never knew that Leonel Fernandez was the president of the whole island.
I thought Preval was the president of Haiti.
IS HE STILL ??
"SAVE THE RHUM PRODUCERS"
the reazon leonel flew over haiti after the storm has passed was just to see how many cows your people stole during the storm.
also to make sure the human gangrene won spill over the border.
and the only re-unification that will be televised is the one between Dominican military boots and Haitian azz
Just 58... am getting sick!
There are at least 10 now, including granny. I need to break open the piggy bank for more coins..it's that or I have to wash the little finger prints off my car windows everyday..
U know these arrogant parasites really get on my last nerves.
They suffer from partial amnesia.They sitill think they living during the years 1821 - 1844 and the Dominican Republic is still ruled by Haiti.
They beleive Haitians can go to the Dominican Republic like they would go to Jacmel,Jeremie,Limbe,and Leogane.
The DR is a sovereign country with immigration laws and a constitution.
Sure they are Dominicans soldiers or police that will allow Haitians to enter the country illegally for a fee
But when you start chopping down trees to make chacoal.when you wander in their parks beggin for food,when you are assaulting and killing Domincans,when you become a public nuisance tey have every right to send you back to your country.
And these arrogant parasites keep posting instigating remarks.
Well keep it up !!!!
When the Dominicans get really pissed off at these Haitians,they will begin to corner to say the word "Perejil"
"SAVE THE SKUNKS"
Happy New Year !
From: United States, New York City
arkatype how many times have you been banned? You've worn out your welcome.
"
Nobody like a genius like Arky( LightOfTruth), Manhattanite I have lost count
"From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
So says schmidt, the delusional Afro-Nazi skunk. It seems that abc is not the only wanker over here, GC. Seriously, schmidt, don't you tire of making a fool of yourself? Your antics are not even funny anymore. Drinking so much clairin can be harmful for your health, you know.
Well ettienc, continuing with your trend:
"SAVE THE SKUNKS"
"
the clairin must not be a good one, " mira lo k el esta escribiendo, maldita bebida"
Go to this link, then you'll have an idea about the real Domincan Republic.
http://www.amazon.com/Child-Prost....-Dominican-Republic/dp/B000IAI94Q
back in 2009.
The rest that will remain will go back on their own free will after their work status dries up and they
will have to return home.
That is the plan.
BTW What madman will ever want to invade Haiti to take over what? A basket case of a country with
an economy in shambles and rampant poverty and indifference by their own capitalists and elite groups that do not invest in their own country because they themselves are afraid?
An a non existent military to provide security and the most corrupt political class in history?
Give me a break, please.
How can you deport Children??
Written by: yumnuk3, 29 Dec 2008 4:25 PM
From: United States, New York City
OH NO! Arkatype Is Back
"
He did not go very far, yola to puerto rico to nueva york
From: United States
You should run for office, instead of staying in neuva yul, LightOfTruth for President
We can even solve the energy crisis if we bought let's say one million bicycles and put them on a stand connected to a generator and have Haitians pedaling hard to produce electricity with man power.
Since we are accused by Haitians of being cannibals we must not forget the proteinic nutritional value of medium cooked Haitians on a stick as well, for future consumption.
Since we are always reminded by the Haitians of the poor, hard working and enterprising Dominican hookers making a living in Haiti from the Minusthat UN forces at their pleading request because they did not feel attracted to Haitian working girls. These brave Dominican girls putting up with the daily abuse of their Haitian counterparts can be the "First Legion" of defense to gather
intelligence for any Haitian attempts of violating Dominican territory, and furthermore should be armed with light weapons to defend themselves and their country.
You are wrong. Haitians are the poorest of fighters as they can not be taught to aim a weapon with accuracy. I can attest to that. They also have demonstrated very little "testicular fortitude" in the few battles that they have engaged in, except in the few cases where they grossly outnumbered their opponents.
They will be useless as mercenaries unless they could be used as cannon fodder.
Maybe they can also be used as target practice for the real troops, since they are good at running and retreating with great speed like their ex-slave masters the French.
which respect to Haitian not a fighter do not believe the hype, my opinion they are.
We have more right to that island than you do....and we will take back the Cibaos from you bastards sooner or later and I know just how to do it...... Keep up with the deportations you idiots are walking right into the plan.
Don't even try DNA proves it
BTW I Shot Ya. LOL.
From: United States, New York City
Dominicans have more rights because they have more indigenous blood then Haitians.
Don't even try DNA proves it
BTW I Shot Ya. LOL.
"
I agree, not only also they were the original settler of the whole island, smitty do a little research before embarass yourself history 101
This will reduce malnutrition among US citizens used to Big Mac and Fries!
US economy will grow!
S.
If the Dominicans had more rights to the land why do they refuse to call it by its original name AYITI
If the Dominicans had more rights to the land why can't they........
How about we have an all out war for the control of the entire island?
Oh! yeah you can't because you are afraid. You DUMB IN A CAN have been afraid all your lives.
trust me. You will meet The rightful owners of the land.
The truth hurts.LOL.
They will be help full
I have a tactic, to get rid of all the Haitians, I can not post it online I would most likely arrested under the Patriot act. But it would be ugly and it would not be the first time it was used.
It's from a page out of history ... A educated person would know what I am talking about.
I am not Racist but i will defend my own by all cost.
i still remenber 1994 when the clinton administration was trying to unload 10,000 boat people from haiti and nobody want it to take them i mean nooooobooody.
back then Panama's President, Guillermo Endara walked out of the deal delivering a black eye to Bill Clinton fat face.
Everybody in the MF world wants DR to carry the load just because we are next door, so mi amigo ese problema con haiti no lo tenemos que chupar hasta que se arme un lio y alguien abra un saco de pescosones entonces a correr se a dicho
Insctint is to sentiment is what temparament is to character.
The instint (natural reflexes)of Haitians force them to migrate to the Dominican Republic
looking for food
What will make a lot of Haitian to stay home facing hunger and certain death instead of going to Dominican Republic and face the daily humiliations is Nationalism (sentiment and character)
Sentiment and character( Dessalines 1804, Haitian 1804) would trigger a passionate nationanism to dislodge the ladrones and the corrupt elite that have caused so much of Haiti's misery
.
Unfortunatly ,These Haitians who are posting all these tirades attacking Dominicans do not have the sentiment nor the character ( the balls ) to fight the real culprits of Haiti's shortcomings
Well,why don 't we attack the Dominicans for all Haiti's problems ,after all ,aren't Preval, the Prime Minister and all those responsible to improve the quality of life in Haiti Dominicans?
"Save the balless cowards"
If Domincans want to feel the great sense of self-worth, identity and gignity that Haitians are so proud of, Dominicans should embrace the African blood that is flowing in their veins.
President Barack Obama was quick to appoint his friend Haitian-American Patrick Gaspard to this powerful position as White House Political Director. Obama is sending out a strong message that he and the Haitians are in charge now.
Nonsense is a verbal communication or written text which appears to be a human language or other symbolic system, but in fact does not carry any identifiable meaning.
"GET LOST"
Capisch?
Entendez?
Entiendes?
Understand?
Why do you feel so inferior? You are a lost tribe. Even the poorest Haitian is more dignified and more proud that the wealthiest Domincan. Pride is something that one is born with. It just does not exist in the Domincan.
Haitians will not just put Haiti back on track, they will control the world. Obama will help them to make it happen.
I am not surprised to hear the definition of PRIDE = STUPIDITY. That has to come only from a Dominican. No other nation in the world will define PRIDE as STUPIDITY. You have just confirmed what I have always believed of Dominicans. Thank you.
If Obama was haitian his first decree will be to depose the haitian goverment and sell all haitians into slavery.
luckly for the world and Haiti Obama is a more Educated black man than any Haitian in the history of haiti.
We all know what your people do when holding a position of power.
burn & loot
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2008 4:15 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Why are you so annoyed by it? What's your bleeding business with dominicans being westerners? what a baby!! get a life, man. And here I thought that Afrolatino was the only one with an inferiority complex over here, guess I was mistaken. Oh, and by the way, pride is just another name for STUPIDITY.
"
Lat, this is indeed interesting what whySmith is trying to portray here, if you want an honest independent opinion of Haiti etiennc have been pretty forth coming and have summed up everything to the point. It's so easy to point finger at others when conveniently ignoring your own backyard
There are currently club in the petion ville area that probably doing the same thing
You should be shot!
You should be shot!"
Care to enlighten us as for the reason, Your Majesty? What is it with you and the term "peasant"? Is it a giveaway about your origins?
I would...but that would be a waste of a perfectly good explanation. Not to mention the innocent killing of several brain cells...
"Lautaro,
I would...but that would be a waste of a perfectly good explanation. Not to mention the innocent killing of several brain cells..."
As we're on holidays, I'd understand if you wanted to spend those on a good tequilaso, or a good braguetazo, to boot. So don't enter the mud-slinging if you don't feel the need.
Oddly enough I did not get drunk or went broke this season...
Living beyond your means seem to be a national pasttime...
Although I agree with the historical account you mention. I do, however , firmly believe you are thoroughly whacked. No more Beer for you :-))
Pimp this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Baptiste_Pointe_du_Sable
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_James_Audubon
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-10-08-979951261_x.htm
Educate yourself, fella
From what I have read of him, the reason for him to flee from Haiti would be the very slave rebellion that you're so occupied in praising. In fact, he would lose his mother (a spanish duenna called Juana Ravin) on one of the slave mutinies that cropped up from time to time. So I don't think that he would be proud of associating with the very people culprit for his losing a fortune (his father's plantation on Aux Cayes), so if I were you, Schmidtt, I'd not be so fast in claimming him for the haitian nationality, specially when we take into account that he would never return to the island after the revolution.
I did. I hold several university degrees, including a masters...
Bow down, you peasant!!!
He was born in Haiti, was he not?
He was born in Haiti, was he not?"
According to Smitty and Dominicanation, being born on a land is not enough to win a nationality. Specially when they say that everything that was done on the DR prior to 1844 was not done by dominican hands. How can you hold that reasoning and say with a straight face that DuSable and Audubon were haitians, when Haiti only came into being after 1804? Can you say with me "circular reasoning"? Can we say then that everything done on Haiti prior to 1804 would be done by french hands?
If Everything is wrong with the Dominican Republic " ASE AL FRITE" ( look for food scraps)
Be proud , Stand TALL and tell the Dominicans WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR PEOPLE STAY HOME.
All you do is bitching, weeping , and throwing tantrums like a bunch of little sisies
Rejection is a bitter pill to swallow for some
What part of I DO NOT WANT YOU in my country can't you understand ?
Again, whilte I take pride in my afro-caribbean roots and rejoice at the history of haiti; I am, however, deshearted by the inability of the modern republic of haiti to rise ot its true potential. To be honest, Haiti today is the very definition of a Failed State...That's a Shame.
Hell, by this reasoning Duarte, Sanchez & Mella were not Dominicans either. Can you say with me "Croach of Sh*t"?
SAVE THE SKUNKS
I give up...
They were born into an Haitian Colony...I think they're Haitians traitors...
La isla de la Spaniola(Quisqueya/Adamanay) es una e indivisible!!!! Nationalities matter not...
Quisqueya!
Quisqueya!
Quisqueya!
Quisqueya!
From: United States
Jacirez if you're so great tell you're people to leave my country you freaking "master of the toiletverse" Educate yourself!!!!!
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The historical fact stated by WhySmith are indeed correct some facts maybe subject to interpretation however WhySmith is on solid ground Arky, Haiti was not what it is today .
I don't think LightOfTruth, knows how to read so you may be spaking to a wall there...
Haiti is today a very important transshipment point for the international drug trade. Seeing how important drug trafficking is to the D.R, Haiti hold great importance...The smell of money trumps just about anything else...
Still. They were Spanish subjetcs...Not Dominicans. Same difference :-))
Pimp this out:
Ickle little Smittikins, if the US is such a land of slavery and discrimination for Dominicans and the D.R such a "glorious empire", why the heck would they be as willing as they are to come here and enslave themselves?
LMAO!!!!
I'm not the one claimming the DR to be a Switzerland, so please, direct your malicious (and way out of base by the way) analogy to your friend Schmidtt. Ok? If something, I have been quite vocal on the fact that the DR can barely face her own problems, let alone the ones of others. And even more so when this other is the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere.
WRONG AGAIN LAUT. You poor excuse of a human being. AYTI has always been AYTI even before Columbus therefore Audubon is a genuine Haitian since he was born in AYITI. Now any so called Dominicans born prior to the date of 1844 are Haitians.
You Campesino Analfabeto!
The point I was trying to make is that despite all the ills the D.R represents to Haitians immigrants, it is still a better option that the abject poverty of Haiti...No different than the reasons many of us have emmigrated to the U.S, Canada, EU, etc.
IT'S OFFICIAL: WE ARE ALL AyitiANS!!!
From: United States, New York City
I suggest you to take a trip to the cibao mountains...... so that reality can smack you in the face
trust me. You will meet The rightful owners of the land.
The truth hurts.LOL
Dominicanation, don't pretend you did not read my comments.... answer my question
"...I suggest you to take a trip to the cibao mountains...... so that reality can smack you in the face.."
I don't know about that. They may be busy marrying thier cousins and such :-))
Remember. There are no Tainos in the D.R they were either wiped out by uncle Cristobal Colon..or had the sense to intermarriage the Negros or Spañoles..
You know those who have Taino ancestry are the rightful owners of this land
You Idiot!
We have been humping one another (Spanish, Blacks, Tainos and everyone in between) since 1492. We are the most mixed peoples in the world. I myself have Afriacn, Spanish, French, Hindu, Taino...and Chinese ancestry...
Reunification is inevitable...It's the wave of the future...Join now!
You stupid were not extinct were still here.
Wasn't your grandma from Jacmel...? Or was it Miragoâne? I can't seem to remember. Help me out..
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
You idiocy amuses me...
Pimp this out:
The mixed descendants of the last Island Caribs(Tainos) who inhabited the Lesser Antilles live on the north-east coast of Dominica. This simple fact has been so exaggerated and distorted over the last thirty years of tourism publicity, that there tends to be much misunderstanding, bewilderment and eventual disappointment among visitors who come to view the Carib Territory as one of the ‘attractions’ of Dominica.
Now that I am mature man , if some rejects me I just shut up and walk away.
When someone rejects you and you keep on cursing ,it is a sign of weakness, of dependency This is a cry to be accepted.
No they do not want you nor your brothers in their country !
All the cursingsand all the name callings will have the opposite effect. It will harden their position.
Le plus faible doit etre le plus malin the waekest must be the slickest
"Sispan ekri kk" (stop posting bovine waste)
"Save the balless cowards"
Shut up!
You should read my thread on Taino ancestry
DNA is ultimate truth
Art. 1. The people inhabiting the island formerly called St. Domingo, hereby agree to form themselves into a free state sovereign and independent of any other power in the universe, under the name of empire of Hayti.
2. Slavery is forever abolished.
3. The Citizens of Hayti are brothers at home; equality in the eyes of the law is incontestably acknowledged, and there cannot exist any titles, advantages, or privileges, other than those necessarily resulting from the consideration and reward of services rendered to liberty and independence.
The Empire of Hayti is one and indivisible. Its territory is distributed into six military divisions.
The following Islands are integral parts of the Empire, viz. Samana, La Tortue, La Gonave, Les Cayemites, La Saone, L'Isle a Vache, and other adjacent islands.
H. Christophe, & (as before)
Having seen the present constitution:
We, Jacques Dessalines, Emperor I of Hayti, and Commander in Chief of the Army, by the grace of God, and the constitutional law of the state, Accept it wholly and sanction it, that it may receive, with the least possible delay, its full and entire execution throughout the whole of our Empire. And we swear to maintain it and to cause it to be observed in it integrity to the last breath of our life.
At the Imperial Palace of Dessalines, the 20th May 1805 second year of the Independence of Hayti, and of our reign the first.
DESSALINES
By the Emperor, Juste Chanlatte, Sec. Gen.
Add to that the Mitochondrial DNA of Spanish, Africans, Hindus, East Asian, and many, many others...So, what's your point...?
Victors write the history books, telling about conquests and cultural
clashes from their own point of view. Sometimes it's impossible to
figure out what really happened.....
BTW remember history is his story
DNA the ultimate truth
18 Mar 1861 Spanish colony (Santo Domingo).
(Dominican Republic)(recognized by Spain 11 Jul 1865).
29 Nov 1869 - 16 May 1870 Government requests annexation to United States.
They spent almost an entire year begging the Americans to take them over. SAVE US FROM THE HAITIAN EMPIRE. SAVE US PLEASE. Freaking losers.
WhySmitty
You clowns need to be committed into a mental institution.
The Dominican Republic under the constant attacks from BLAME NOT THE HAITIANS gang from Haiti, has decided to allow Haitians to enter its territory as they would to Jacmel ,to Anse a Veaux, to Limbe, to les Cayes.
Futhermore Haitians can chop trees to make charcoal.the can beg on the streets,they can loiter in the parks.the can annoy drives a traffic light to clean their windchield.
They can also go to any hospitals to seek care
They can also attack and harm Dominicans whenever they please.
"VIRE BOUDA'W VERE BOUDA'W JAN'W VLE " Mueve la centura como quiere
"SAVE THE ANARCHISTS"
"SAVE THE SKUNKS"
"NAJE POUN SOTI" SWIM TO GET OUT OF THE WATER
"POUR LE PAYS MOURIR EST BEAU "Morir por su pays es noble
"Save the balless cowards"
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey goodbye
Happy Holidays!
"Save the balless cowards"
We have destroyed Haiti ,let's destroy another country !
We have turned Haiti into a living hell.lets do the same with another country.
" Save the skunks"
The quotation "All men are created equal" is arguably the best-known phrase in any of America's political documents, as the idea it expresses is generally considered the foundation of American government. Thomas Jefferson first used the phrase in the Declaration of Independence as a rebuttal to the going political theory of the day: the Divine Right of Kings. J
efferson borrowed the expression from an Italian friend and neighbor, Philip Mazzei, as noted by Joint Resolution 175 of the 103rd Congress as well as John F. Kennedy in "A Nation Of Immigrants".
We are all different. Cant be equal as well.
They were born into an Haitian Colony...I think they're Haitians traitors..."
Under your reasoning, then Dessalines should be considered the worst french traitor on history. A thing that can be proven not only by his being under their payroll during the majority of the time that the last leg of the haitian revolution lasted (1802-1804) (and a very handsome payroll, at that), but also by his plotting with his french superiors the deportation of Toussaint Louverture, his commanding officer, and lastly the many crimes that he would commit against the people of his race under french orders, the most glaring of them being the execution, under grievous torture, of the rebels Charles and Sanite Belair. ¿Como te quedó el ojo, pilarín?
" It does not matter whether people are rich or poor. If they remain enamoured of the past — if they think the past was better than the future can be — they will only regress, not progress. Defending the past is not the best way to advance in the future " (quote from my vast google library)
this exactly why Haiti has become the desert that it is today.
DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME DEBATING HAITIAN PAST GLORY.
Your present is a nightmare and your future is uncertain.
USE YOUR INTELLECT TO FIND SOLUTIONS FOR YOUR NATION
The topic is 58 Haitians deported by Dominican Republic not how great Boyer and Dessalines were.
You do this because is easier to talk about the past than the present and future of your sorry nation.
I sure there are many Haitian citizens that really help their nation prosper
unfotunally none are here on this site to see this bunch of cry babies
talking about ancient history instead of doing real work to help haiti
let's see who is going to argue with this ?
the reason why these anti-Dominicans Haitians are talking about ancient history instead of doing real work to help haiti is because they feel hopeless, they feel and know Haiti is a lost case, irreparable. So like a virus, or a parasite, now they need a new host to live from and survive.
poponlaburra
lautaro
It is always a pleasure to read such clear and substantial remarks that reaffirm my hope that there
are real patriots and valiant Dominicans that will defend our country against these nay sayers and
Haitian invaders that live in another world apart from their sad reality.
These invaders have ruined their country and now since they have nothing left over want to
invade and over extend their unwelcome stay our country, like pests infect good healthy crops.
We must fumigate and expel these ungrateful vermin with energy back to the dark hole they came from. If we don't act with strong determination and eject them sooner rather than later, like the locust plague they will reproduce like viruses, propagate the creole language and instill their superstitious voo doo religion on the ignorant masses.
Soon we will have to surrender precious Dominican territories to accommodate these illegal invaders with nothing to lose as they are exporting
Generoso stop your bull cr?pt it's so easy to blame some poor folks that their only sin where to have been born in the western side of the island, your simplistic way of looking at the current Haitian problem is very naive for such a complicated and complex problem.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=V13ARK9g578
The pleasure is mine. All these feeling were dormant for many years, awakened by some of the comments from some of Haitian posters attacking us and by the fact knowing that too many of them is enough.
Proudtobehatian,
if you read what some Haitians posted, you would completly understand our fury.
We feel for them, and completely understand what they are going thru, but what about our own poor?
Cont….
Let the developed rich nations take care of this.
DR should help by treating the Haitians humanely, but we can not keep a 1.5 millions of them!
With what resources?
We feel for them, we completely understand what they are going thru, but what about our own poor?
PROUDTOBEHAITIAN
I have great respect and admiration for the Haitian people and compassion for human suffering of both sides of the island.
My loyalty is unquestionably to the Dominican people not Haitians even though "I feel your pain" as Bill Clinton once said.
Haitians should solve and deal with their country's problems and not shove them onto us like they have been doing. Now Haitian Afro Nazis and supremacists have a plan backed by some in the new Obama administration to transfer so MORE of the great burden that we are now paying to the DR and that is not to be allowed by true Dominican patriots.
It is not hatred my friend it is called desperate survival. The DR is barely afloat and we as you know have millions of poor and disenfranchised as well and we can't handle any more from Haiti.
If we were on a lifeboat already stressed by being full to capacity would you allow other drowning
passengers to jump in so that the boat will capsize and then all will drown? No.
Great post! Very well said with a great perspective.
I agree the DR as an independent nation should take measure to legalize the status of some, and deport others, however when I see country like france giving DR a black eye the for the treatment of Haitians I see pure hypocrisy at the highest level.
There are military that benefit from the illegal Haitian border crossings and illegal trade that goes on.
We know that.
There are unscrupulous businessmen that hire Haitian illegals and then fire them after a while without paying them because they know that they can not complain and go to the authorities.
We know that.
There are big sugar cane growers and construction companies that hire Haitians because they will work harder and for less money than a Dominican laborer.
We also know that.
A big construction mogul in DR confessed to me that he rather hire Haitians because Dominicans when you tell them to dig a hole when the clock start ticking near lunch time they are looking for an excuse to quit, in contrast a Haitian worker you tell them to dig a hole and if you don't stop them they will get to China digging furiously.
So the government looks the other way because it is not of their interest to stop the exploitation of Haitian manpower, simple as that.
Now regarding the French, Haitians should despise them and the mess they have created by not helping the
Haitians out after they exploited and black mailed them for many generations. Squeezing and
drinking the blood money that was demanded from the Haitian government until there was nothing left for the Haitian people.
If anybody is to blame for Haiti's troubles are the Haitians themselves for capitulating to the French demands and then the French for being so abusive in that order.
Haiti should continue with the demand started by Aristide in the world courts so the French will pay back the blood money extracted by force and their threats from the Haitian governments to compensate for the
Haitian confiscation of the sugar mills and properties of the French colonists after the Haitian independence.
I agree on the reinstatement of the Haitian armed forces as a necessary evil to attain security in Haiti.
Their dissolution and disbandment was a big mistake, just like it was when the US army invaded Iraq and disbanded the Iraqui army sending millions of unemployed soldiers into the streets without a job. Driving them into mercenary actions and guerrilla warfare.
The Haitian armed forces should and must be reinstated soon but better trained to preserve democracy and not be an instrument of political reprisals, coup de etats, dictators and drug smugglers.
I agree with you 100%.
We are being civilized and dialoguing.
Those that choose not to and behave like Haitian supremacists, voo doo warlocks and Afronazis then we must fumigate them.
I haven't abandoned my impartial views completely. However, it would have been a traitorous and downright cowardly act from my part had I simply chosen to stand aside when vermin like Dominicanation and Smitty callously insulted my country at every given opportunity (by calling dominican women prostitutes, domyorks as drug traffickers, etc.). That, my friend, is simply unacceptable in my book. While I'm the first to recognize, and criticize, my country's failings, I'll not stand idly while it's insulted by foolish foreigners in the pursuit of a sinister agenda. There's a huge difference between constructive criticism like the one that illustrious posters like dreadlocks, texasshoe and antonioj (whom I have in the highest esteem) regularly do and another thing is the mud-slinging that the above mentioned swine did. That, my friend, is the difference that you're failing to see.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/restitutionpourhaiti/
From: Canada, Toronto ,Scarberia,Kennedy and Ellesmere
tonyj the frogs should pay ,but their motto is " charge them double and give them nothing "
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I taught I was Mr French fried, in retrospect they should have hired madoff do get their money back
There you go again, as Ronald Reagan would say. It is the constant broken record slander talk.
Instead of coming to Dominican internet sites to put the blame on Dominicans and incite Haitian hate,
why don't you instead have the petition that antonioJ suggested translated into Spanish and English for us to sign, to start a movement so that the French will find a way to repay back Haiti for the money they extorted from Haitians. Your goal could be to get 10 million signatures worldwide. After millions have signed it , that my friend would carry some weight to put pressure on the French to stop evading the issue.
Your "loaded" question is just more of the same, the constant denial and blame pointing useless chatter. BTW in agriculture when you start a fumigation policy to get rid of pests you can not discriminate which pests may be eliminated and which may not. All pests that fit the definition are terminated. No exception.
As for you, GC, you don't need to worry, cuz' the fact that I find your jokes at the commies' expense highly amusing prevents me from putting you on the annoying list. Besides, how could I resent someone who also shares with myself the fondness of enjoying a good sandwich from Payan's from time to time?
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Everybody love GC, great sense of humour... watch out Lautaro, he can be darn serious too
stay away from debating fine food, cigar, wine with him, I forget to mention communism also, make sure you get your facts straight ,or you will be sorry.
As for the santeros, PTBH, I don't have anything against them either. If anything, I'm all for freedom of conscience, as long as the beliefs of the people belonging to other religions don't intrude into my own freedom of choice, that is. Sadly, extremism from all sides seems to be the norm nowadays.
Forget about Aristide being back in power. Is a wet dream. The French dislike him the most.
Also knowing how stingy and selfish the French have been with Haiti I really doubt they could be sued or forced to pay that money. I could be wrong and I hope that I am, but I wouldn't bet on Haiti ever getting that money back. The benefit to Haiti would be if they don't pay, is to attract international attention to the matter and maybe be offered other solutions to help Haiti that will be put on the table,
by France or other countries that are sympathetic to Haiti's plight.
I concur with Lautaro's statements as well.