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Higüey, Dominican Republic.- The director of Immigration met with hoteliers, construction leaders and the East Region Hotels Association to jointly look for a solution to the amount of illegal foreigners who work in Bavaro and other parts of that zone.

Jose Sanz Jiminián said from how on he’ll be frequently in that region, because there’s a need to regularize the situation of the foreigners, not only Haitianss but also Colombians, Spaniards, Venezuelans, Swiss, German and of other nationalities that are illegally in the country.

Sanz asked the business leaders to abide by the law that establishes that 80 percent of the manpower must be Dominican and the remaining 20 percent could be legalized foreigners.

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Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 9 Dec 2008 8:16 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Yeah right
Written by: juanb, 9 Dec 2008 8:40 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Nice costume/uniform. Lots of flash. Good Job.
Written by: yumnuk3, 9 Dec 2008 8:42 AM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
Immigration is No Joke. Don't let the elites have the last laugh.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 9 Dec 2008 8:43 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
yummy they had the first and will probably have the last.......this I think is window dressing I await people more knowledgeable to weigh in
Written by: yumnuk3, 9 Dec 2008 9:15 AM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
Written by: gouletcolonial, 9 Dec 2008 8:43 AM
I await people more knowledgeable to weigh in

Are you referring to the individuals who blame LF for very thing?
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 9 Dec 2008 9:26 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Yummy it is not fashionable to defend LF in this day and age even his admirers and I am one of them{eternal optimist} prefer to stay underground at this time....he needs a home run ....and not the metro.....maybe like cutting a bunch of unnecessary spending in employees and projects
Written by: yumnuk3, 9 Dec 2008 9:41 AM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
Goulet, I think the future will show he's doing the right thing . The problem is a simpleton's view will never see the big picture.
Written by: JD_Dominguez, 9 Dec 2008 11:14 AM
From: United States, Reality Check
There's a cost/benefit everywhere.

I've looked at new project financials but the biggest hurdle that struck me was the massive upfront payment for authorization & administrative start-up ...even before the 1st shovel makes a ground breaking to start construction costs. Most of the prelim costs are (payoffs) to RD Gov officials allowing foreigners the right to build new capital projects in the RD.

Now from a cost-benefit aspect, once construction starts the builders MUST make some substantial savings in order to offset the extraordinarily high start-up costs (above). One big savings is in labor to build a project via cheap Haitian labor, the lowest wage in the western hemisphere.

Thus, for the RD Gov to reduce and/or eliminate the illegal & cheap Haitian labor force will accelerate the project costs & make future new projects un-viable AND not positively cash flow with a lower IIR (internal rate of return).

Lowing illegals is economic suicide long term!
Written by: Lautaro, 9 Dec 2008 11:22 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Is not suicide considering the atrocious distribution of income in the DR, the only ones which would be hurt by high costs are the construction barons responsible for the disorder and the haitians employed on the sector, cuz' the dominican populace don't work on the construction sector anymore due to the greed of the former. Sorry JD, but I support the crackdown wholeheartedly. Besides, those apartments being built can only be afforded by the drug lords and other international scum, so we'll not be losing much by the slow down.
Written by: etiennc, 9 Dec 2008 12:45 PM
From: United States
Wait a minute ,there are illegal immigrants other than Haitians ?
What do we do now ?????
Written by: arkatype This user is banned, 9 Dec 2008 12:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic
No! haitians are the problem, theirs 2 million of your people in Dominican soil LOL.
Written by: etiennc, 9 Dec 2008 1:12 PM
From: United States
ARKATYPE we need to hurry. We locate the Haitians,we isolate them and we exterminate them.
Or we dehumanize them then we demonize them and we brutalize them.
Then we move in for the other illegal aliens. The all have got to go.
No we will keep a few Haitians to work on the fields and as servants or to do the works that Dominicans do not want to do.
God what do we do ?
I am just as confused as you are.
" Save the beasts"
Written by: etiennc, 9 Dec 2008 1:15 PM
From: United States
Arkatype , you are very tired, your eyes are heavy, you are so relaxed, all you want to do now is sleep,sleep.sleep.sleep.
On the count to three I am going snap my fingers and you are going to wake up.
How do you feel now ???
Written by: etiennc, 9 Dec 2008 1:17 PM
From: United States
Ok now I can start my anger management session with you
Written by: arkatype This user is banned, 9 Dec 2008 1:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic
We don't dehumanize your people, haitians have been dehumanized by their own tyrannical goverments. The problem with people like you and the pro-haitians is basically, that you don't want to find a solution to your self created problems within your own boundaries. Instead exporting your problems seems to be your solution to Haiti's ills. Do you know what 2 million haitians represent? an economic burden that D.R. is not responsible for, so let the deportations begin and not end until the job is done.
Written by: PuntaCanaMike, 9 Dec 2008 1:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic
This will go just like last month's clearing the beaches of vendors......no where
Written by: gatitapequena, 9 Dec 2008 2:41 PM
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
gc....yummy, hello, getting jealous

etiennc....are you supposed to be funny, because I see a clown who failed to make me laugh, errrrr did I miss.....something, anyways its not just in the DR that has illegals here that do the jobs the we don't want to do, its everywhere including the USA, common, ofcourse if they paid better and treated the workers better we would do the jobs, but common illegals do it because to them the money their getting is better than the money they don't have and to them, they feel rich, so get over your ignorance and try and educate yourself.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 9 Dec 2008 2:46 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
I am green with jealousy....but then I know the old geezer with the prostate like a grapefruit is like the guy who married Anna Nicole Smith...but without the money
Written by: gatitapequena, 9 Dec 2008 2:52 PM
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
jajajajaja, malo!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Written by: haitian1804, 9 Dec 2008 3:28 PM
From: Haiti
yeah educate yourself arkatype...after what we have done to you I thought you went back to school but it s seems that you r not anly an idiot but you r also deaf...You don t hear when we tell you that DR is not the only country with illegal immigrants, and most of illegal immigrants are doing the Jobs that the natives don t want to do. ex: the dominicans hookers comes here because there s a too smallpercentage of haitian girls who want to work as hookers.So there s work for them in Haiti. It s alike for most of the people that are moving illegaly from a country to another...do me a favor do your best to understand...so easy.
Written by: etiennc01, 9 Dec 2008 3:50 PM
From: United States
However the majority of regular Dominicans beleive the most pressing problem confronting the country is "deliquency"
Which problem do we wrestle first, Haitian immigration or deliquency ?
Are you scared of Haitians when you leave your house or delinquents ?
Written by: haitian1804, 9 Dec 2008 4:03 PM
From: Haiti
Written by: generoso, 8 Dec 2008 10:38 AM
From: United States
Have you heard he story of Caonabo the Indian chieftain? It is told that after he was chained by the Spaniards and was taken to Spain as a caged animal that was so angry that he bit himself while in captivity and caused his own demise. Had he been eloquent it would have been another story"""" genoros***t please the only thing you r good at is lying about your military skill, and posting hates message. Please leave history to people who went to school.Caonabo dissapeared when the boat that was taking him to spain, sink...he bit himself?..lol...hilarious.
Written by: etiennc01, 9 Dec 2008 4:03 PM
From: United States
" We need to regularize the situation of the foreigners,not only Haitians but also Colombians , Spaniards, Venezuelans Swiss,Germans..."
The director of immigration Jose Anibal Sanz Jiminian


"Let the Haitian deportation begin until the job is done"
Arkatype

" Yeah educate yourself Arkatype"
Haitian1804

"Bovine waste"
etiennc

"Brugal.Presidente"
Gouletcolonial

"Ja Ja Ja Ja Ja Ja Ja "
Litlle pussycat

What a bunch of smart people !!!


Written by: etiennc01, 9 Dec 2008 4:19 PM
From: United States
Let's start all over again and this time let's get right, Okay?

"We need to regularize the situation of the foreigners,not only Haitians , but also Colombians,Venezualans, Germans,Mexicans,Swiss, Spaniards and othet illegal immigrants."
Director on Immigration Jose Sanz Jiminian

This is the premise of todays' debate.
one ,two ,three GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I am waiting !!!!
Written by: Lautaro, 9 Dec 2008 4:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Specially with the Colombians, which have made a satellite out of this island, one from which they can bombard their cargo to the States at whim.
Written by: CarlosFranco, 9 Dec 2008 5:16 PM
From: United States, Brooklyn

more haitian.... there's no end to this shit....
Written by: CarlosFranco, 9 Dec 2008 5:19 PM
From: United States, Brooklyn

We don't have to control it... We have to grab them all and kick them back to Haiti and then DR will face the economic crisis better... those domincans who are layoff by falconbridge or Zona Franca can take over these job opening in the east.... HELP THE NATION CITIZENS... NOT FOREIGNERS (HAITIANS)

Written by: etiennc, 9 Dec 2008 6:18 PM
From: United States
Well said Carlo Franco.
We will use all necessary means to make the leave.
What about Haitians merchants who come to buy goods( eggs ,chickens ect) are they welcome ???
What about Haitian visitors who will make the pilgrimage to Higey to attend church services for Our Lady of Altagracia, are they welcome ?
They will come by the thousands and will spend thousands of dollars. That would help the economy.
I am waiting for your post


Written by: arkatype This user is banned, 9 Dec 2008 6:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Haitian1804 dont embaress yourself! we don't owe you nothing, so educate yourself!!!!! You owe yourselves something civility, something you lacked since that stupid date your so proud of.
Written by: etiennc, 9 Dec 2008 8:02 PM
From: United States
Arkatype, you are back , a lillte less angry and little less abrasive.
The pilgrimage to Higuey by thousand of Haitans is on January the 21 st. Please do not do anything crazy before that date.
Written by: JRRubirosa, 9 Dec 2008 10:32 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Etiennc:

Haitians coming to spend $$$ dollars.............................................IGNORANT
Written by: gatitapequena, 9 Dec 2008 11:46 PM
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
What difference as far as harm can a haitian do to me then a delinquent?

Etiennc.....Mr Smarty welcome aboard, I'm glad your here, yes my friend we need to be educated, were not as smart as you, and we would like to know if your gonna be our instructor, everytime we get it wrong you have to let us know just how it is, ya, you up for it?
Written by: chillaxin201 This user is banned, 10 Dec 2008 12:42 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
not only Haitianss but also Colombians, Spaniards, Venezuelans, Swiss, German and of other nationalities that are illegally in the country.


about time
Written by: arkatype This user is banned, 10 Dec 2008 1:28 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Small potatos 5,000 Spaniards ole, 4,000 Germans, 3,000 Swiss, 1,000 Venezuelans, 500 Colombians. And 2 million freaking haitians now there is our problem, 2 MILLION ILLEGAL HAITIAN INVADERS!!!!!
Written by: etiennc, 10 Dec 2008 8:35 AM
From: United States
Unfortunately this forum has been misued , monopolized by the chemerical ,the nostalgic ,and romantic disciples of Trujilo.

"Save the Butterfies"
Written by: antonioj, 10 Dec 2008 11:46 AM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
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Written by: arkatype, 10 Dec 2008 1:28 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Small potatos 5,000 Spaniards ole, 4,000 Germans, 3,000 Swiss, 1,000 Venezuelans, 500 Colombians. And 2 million freaking haitians now there is our problem, 2 MILLION ILLEGAL HAITIAN INVADERS!!!!!
"
I challenge you to provide the sources of your statistics Greenwave junior
Written by: etiennc, 10 Dec 2008 2:30 PM
From: United States
"The butterflies live on"
Antonioj please read the book : IN THE TIME OF THE BUTTERFLIES "
Written by: arkatype This user is banned, 10 Dec 2008 2:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Etiennec you don't represent the voice and the mind of the dominican people. You are just a haitian without a goverment a ghost of a coward nation, that thinks that you will break the spirit of the children of Juan Pablo Duarte. But you are wrong! the evil deeds of your forefathers past runs through your blood, you're dirty ace you are really dirty. But remember the spirit of the trinitarios burns in the sole of all dominicans that care for there land.
Written by: haitian1804, 10 Dec 2008 2:50 PM
From: Haiti
by da way you bunch of immigrants: etiennc (united states) why do you eel so comfortable about to talk like that about some poor people, that is trying to live their life. You r doing the same thing for a reason you left your home country for a better living. but you r so frustated when it s about another person doing it. they call it SELFISH....danm I hate this word, and i hate all of you who bears this name...Don t pray for me pray for my ennemy.
Written by: etiennc, 10 Dec 2008 3:26 PM
From: United States
"the butterflies live on"
Written by: arkatype This user is banned, 10 Dec 2008 3:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Etiennec the above statement comes from a people that suffer from self hate, and a nation of beggars called Haiti. Being poor does not equate a specific nationality or color, your style of propaganda is inherited from you're former slave masters the french. You freed yourselves from the french only to be further enslaved by your rulers Christophe and Boyer. And today you're still enslaving your own, now children as restaveks. YOU HAVE NOBODY TO BLAME BUT YOURSELVES!!!!!
Written by: etiennc01, 10 Dec 2008 6:25 PM
From: United States
When we diagnose a person and we determine that he is a manic depressive, he psychiatrist of our unit often prescribes Lithium or Valproate(A psychiatrist is a MD ).
The manic depressive is paranoid and sees the world as a fight between good and evil.
He sees himself as one the side of the good and should fight the evil.
The evil is who his imagination or his experiences suggest,The evil can be a person an ethnic group.
You wonder how can someone who is articulate,intelligent,writes coherent sentences,with a clean grammar and syntax and yet can be manic depressive.
Hitler was a maniic depressive and he managed to hypnotize the German people with his fiery rethoric.
Many depressive master the art of hiding their illness untill you corner them with your arguments,they become become erratic,vulgar.irrational
They are expert in hiding their fear but when challenged,they become agitated and start ranting insults,or ridicule people they see as the evils.
"Save the butterflies"
Written by: JRRubirosa, 10 Dec 2008 6:35 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Etienc:

The buterflies is a story about Dominicans not Haitians, "Mirabal sisters" maybe had some Haitian blood according to your expertise??
Written by: etiennc, 10 Dec 2008 8:04 PM
From: United States
When interviewing a manic depressive patient you try not to invade his personal space, for not becoming agressive,You sit in a L position with his chair so not to face him directly.
You avoid eye contacts as much as you can.
You speak in a slow ,low voice and you try to use personal pronouns such:as you.your
You encourage him to talk wihout challenging him
You may say:it is that so,tell me more:We call this :active listening.You ask open ended questions
He has a fuzzy picture of who the devil is and he may project it on you.
He generalizes,what we call in pour business:deductive prejudgement.
e.g: if this japanese restaurant sells spoiled suchi,he has 5 japanese restaurants where he lives THEREFORE they all sell spoiled suchis
He does not see individuals,he sees groups. It is too much of an intellectual exercise trying to differenciate people withing a group.The evil is not one person but a group.


HEROES AND MARTYRS BELONG TO HUMANITY
SAVE THE BUTTERFLIES

Written by: gatitapequena, 10 Dec 2008 8:07 PM
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
etiennc you did not just say that
Written by: gatitapequena, 10 Dec 2008 8:19 PM
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
so what your saying is that if he's black he's a haitian, dominicans are not dark skinned, what up!!!!!
Written by: arkatype This user is banned, 10 Dec 2008 8:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Etiennec stop using the mirabal sisters in your conversations pertaining to the grave issue that haitians represent to my country, the mirabal sisters were not fighting for any issue related to Haiti or haitians they were fighting for the country's freedom from a dictator. You and other haitians should come together and try to find solutions for you're country's failed existence, you will not convince anyone with your soft arguments. I've heard it all here since i joined this forum. You're psycho analysis is irrelavent and trivial at best, so please save your crocodile tears for the ignorant.
Written by: etiennc, 10 Dec 2008 8:33 PM
From: United States
Estudios Sociales 138
Comprender la immigracion haitiana en RD
Junio 2007
I passed this course with a B+
Because my Spanish was limited
If the class was given in english I woud have passed it with an A+
This course and other courses that I have taken made anojective thinker
Leaders are Educateurs ,followers are fanatics
"Martyrs and heroes belong the world history"
Written by: etiennc, 10 Dec 2008 8:34 PM
From: United States
Read : made me an objective thinker
Written by: antonioj, 10 Dec 2008 8:43 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
"Written by: etiennc, 10 Dec 2008 8:06 PM
From: United States
"Haitians is a code word for poor black Dominicans"
"

You are playing with fire or you are an agent provacateur, Arky and Rubi will be in your throat so fast you will be sorry.
Written by: antonioj, 10 Dec 2008 8:52 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
"Written by: etiennc, 10 Dec 2008 2:30 PM
From: United States
"The butterflies live on"
Antonioj please read the book : IN THE TIME OF THE BUTTERFLIES "
"

Good read, I am reading it on Google "Las Mariposas" Thanks
Written by: etiennc, 10 Dec 2008 9:31 PM
From: United States
Antonioj, i am trying to use all the tools and the resources that I have gained over the years mediating
When you change the way you see a person or a situation the person and the situation change

What is a pile a rocks can become a cathedral depending of your perspective.

Bovine waste is the same as bull shit depending of the degree of your language sophistication

There is not too much difference between a glass half full with Brugal and a glass half empty with Brugal
It depends on who bought the botlle of Brugal - got the joke???

I have not heard from Rubi he must be someplace preparing a new plan of attack
or maybe Rubi and Arkatype are the same person
They have the right strategy but the wrong tactics

""THE BUTTERFLIES LIVE ON""

Heroes and martyrs bellong to the world
Written by: JRRubirosa, 10 Dec 2008 9:35 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Etienc:

Heroes are "Duarte, Sanchez and Mella" and martyrs "Mirabal sisters"

There is not space in this forum for Haitian blood.......................
Written by: arkatype This user is banned, 10 Dec 2008 9:41 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Etiennec if you think that haitians will gain entry into the pearly doors, you're into a big surprise. A man with wisdom saves the best gifts for his own. Just remember that! talk is cheap reality is overwhelming.
Written by: gatitapequena, 10 Dec 2008 9:45 PM
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
g hope love bug didn't strike you!!!!!!!
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 11 Dec 2008 12:53 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
etiennc when you ask an old juicer like genoroso if your glass is half full or half empty he will say "are you gonna drink that "
Written by: antonioj, 11 Dec 2008 1:11 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
very disturbing look at a coward dominican do to a poor haitian

http://www.ireport.com/docs/doc-161346

do something about it, we are in 2008
Written by: antonioj, 11 Dec 2008 1:12 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
i call on the police to ensure justice is done and that monster is placed in jail where he belong
Written by: antonioj, 12 Dec 2008 12:27 AM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
credit to kmnupe

According to some sources, the video was shot in Venezuela. The accents are from that region and the video acts may be fake.

However, it has not been proven who posted it or altered the title.

People, we are being manipulated. Somebody or some people want Haitians and Dominicans to be at war. I regret what's soon to come.
Written by: haitian1804, 13 Dec 2008 12:24 AM
From: Haiti
there will be no war if it s not in this five years come in up next. the next generation will take the power and the empire will raise again and shine like before.
Written by: JRRubirosa, 21 Dec 2008 9:39 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Haitian1804:

You are a dirty pig, same as your people "whinner, complainer, slacker, backwards and mentally challenged person"


Merry christmas.....................................dirt cookies on your table
Written by: etiennc01, 21 Dec 2008 9:52 PM
From: United States
The Dominican Republic occupies two thirds of the Island.
How did this happen ?

Written by: JRRubirosa, 21 Dec 2008 10:48 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Etiennc01:

Go back to school and read History, stop complaning and get some man fortitude or "COJONES"
learn to be a man and stop believing in vodoo and stupidity!!!!!!!!!
Written by: antonioj, 21 Dec 2008 11:14 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
Rubi donde diablo estuviste, eres un mamahuevo, deja entienn en paz
Written by: antonioj, 22 Dec 2008 12:14 AM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
si no, oyeme te voy a regressar a la capital donde puedes compartir con tu hermanitos Haitianos querido, a si que preparate mi mullatito, a passar hambre, soy seguro que no tienes papeles
Written by: JRRubirosa, 22 Dec 2008 12:17 AM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Antonioj:

Why haitians like you lack personality, fortitude, patriotism and identity?? your comments
are twisted, boring and non sense, Haitians are the lame duck on the western hemisphere
and you are a good presentation of this!!!
Written by: antonioj, 22 Dec 2008 12:43 AM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
Why Dominicans like you lack personality, patriotism and identity?? , Dominicans loser like Rubi are lame duck on the eastern hemisphere, and and you fit the profile...!!
Rub level up I am having a little fun....
Written by: JRRubirosa, 22 Dec 2008 8:44 AM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Antonioj:

Good for you since you are a typical childish, non personality Haitian wishing what don't
belong to you or are not entitled, recap your posted comments to see what kind of common
sense you might have talking about SD, haitians brothers and else "mentally retarded" for
making assumptions that don't fit my status!!!
Written by: antonioj, 22 Dec 2008 11:11 AM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
Rubi, stop being a whinner little punk, sigue con tu courso de ingles maldita, te voy a partir la cara
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 22 Dec 2008 11:22 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Children children stop bickering or Santa will give you nothing
Written by: etiennc01, 24 Dec 2008 1:00 PM
From: United States
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to Rubi and the hate gang
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