SANTO DOMINGO.- Haitian Minister of Agriculture Joanas Gué said the Dominican government was “negligent” in its management of the recent bird flu outbreak, the newspaper Diario Libre said.
Gué, speaking in an interview on radio Metropole over the weekend, said Dominican authorities waited too long to begin destroying prized fight roosters that may have been exposed to the H5N1 virus and in shuttering farms that reported infections. He also said the government waited too long to bring the problem to the public’s attention.
The official said Haiti is worried about the government’s lax policies in veterinary health and recommended that authorities extend their monitoring of the fight roosters to other regions of the country.
In the meantime, he said, Haiti will continue its ban on imports of Dominican chickens and eggs until its government receives certification from the World Organization for Animal Health, which will investigate the outbreak further. He criticized the Dominican farm industry which he said was pressing the international body to render a favorable report, according to Diario Libre.
"The Dominican government is not in conflict with Haiti but is amiss in the management of the problem,” Gué said.
Written by: SuperQ, 12 Feb 2008 12:11 PM
From: Italy
Let's hope Haiti gets the same attitude with foreign forces in their country, with 1st world ranked countries no helping them in anyway and pretending that DR takes care of haiti's problems
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
Let me find out the Haitians are growing some backbone now.....Its about time
Written by: josean, 12 Feb 2008 12:51 PM
From: United States
"certification from the World Organization for Animal Health"
This should be no problem Lio-nel Fernandez loves globalization, international organizations, international conferences; whats the name of his front organization FUN and GOLD.
From: United States
Let's see at the end what outcome will come out of all this political issue made of case.
"The winner will take it all"
We will see who was lying to the international community.......
"Patience, patience and patience"
Written by: Belial, 12 Feb 2008 1:43 PM
From: United States, Texas
Con't
The WOAH says that the causal agent if a low pathogenic avian influenza virus and the serotype is H5N2.
Written by: Belial, 12 Feb 2008 1:43 PM
From: United States, Texas
Here's fresh news on chickens and eggs
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The World Organization For Animal Health's ("WOAH") map of DR outbreak locations show 4 DR chicken flu outbreaks -- 2 in the center and 2 in the eastern part of the DR.
http://www.oie.int/wahid-prod/pub....eport&pop=1&reportid=6671WOAH reports that 1096 birds have been destroyed since the first outbreak, not the ridiculous 15 roosters and 2 hens solemnly reported by "Today." Most of the destroyed birds, 951 chickens, were at the Dec. 12, 2007 outbreak around La Otra Banda, Cruce del Isleño, La Otra Banda, LA ALTAGRACIA, the WOAH reports.
WAH report says that 3 of the four DR outbreaks have been resolved, but the big outbreak around La Otra Banda, Cruce del Isleño, La Otra Banda, LA ALTAGRACIA is CONTINUING.
WOAH shows that 3 of the four outbreaks dealt with poultry birds and the remaining outbreak with fighting cocks. This must be where "Today" got the info on its celebrated 15 roosters and 2 hens.
Written by: Belial, 12 Feb 2008 1:44 PM
From: United States, Texas
Con't
0000
The WOAH says that the causal agent if a low pathogenic avian influenza virus and the serotype is H5N2.
Written by: Belial, 12 Feb 2008 2:43 PM
From: United States, Texas
"Haitian Minister of Agriculture Joanas Gué said the Dominican government was “negligent” in its management of the recent bird flu outbreak," "Today" reported.
Our fresh news from the WOAH doesn't affirm or deny Gue on this point.
"Gué ... said Dominican authorities waited too long to begin destroying prized fight roosters that may have been exposed to the H5N1 virus and in shuttering farms that reported infections," Today" reported
Our fresh news shows that the first outbreak was Dec. 12 and the WOAH was notified Dec. 21, a 9-day difference. Someone who knows the business has to say whether 9 days is a long or a short time.
Written by: Belial, 12 Feb 2008 2:46 PM
From: United States, Texas
"He [Gue] also said the government waited too long to bring the problem to the public’s attention," Today reported
The government didn't bring the problem to the public's attention, the web site PoultrySite disclosed the problem on Jan 2, 2008, some 20 days after the first of four outbreaks occurred. The next day, government on January 3 finally confirmed the story that PoultrySite broke on Jan.2. Again, Someone who knows the business has to say whether 20 days days is a long or a short time for public notification.
Here's a "Today" article about 40 million people who died of the flu in 1918 which suggests that public notification may be an important matter.
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....n-humans-prompt-new-investigationOh me, oh mine! 40 million dead people seem like a lot!
From: Haiti
What's all this bickering about Haiti (sovereign nation) not wanting to buy poultry and egg from its neighbor. It's funny how those disrespecting haiti and denigrating her citizens are so worked up over a simple ban of just one sector. What's the big deal of getting a certification if there isn't anything to hide? From the looks of it DR has lost 20 million US dollars since this band, which is not pocket change. You guys want a divorce so bad but keep begging to reconcile when you've realize she is worth more than you've ever imagine. Imagine if other dominican products were banned from Haiti. I think Rubi would purchase the biggest diamond rock on his knees proposing to end his selfish arrogant ways and realize what he has at home is worth more than gold and end his infidility. This up & down relationship has been down this road for over 200 yrs and we still can't get it on the right course. Maybe anther century or so.
From: United States
Patience, patience and patience......................
From: United States
Mr. Belial, (some or few) DR's did died from "Influenza" in 1918 pandemic. Many DR's don't remember because its been 80 some yrs. The quantity of DR's diseaced, I don't know that, but perhaps can you find some more info. I do know that my great Grandfather did died from "Influenza"/
Thank's
Written by: Belial, 12 Feb 2008 5:35 PM
From: United States, Texas
You bet.
Eighty years ago, 40,000,000 people were a good chunk of the world population; but today with 6 billion humans or whatever walking around, 40M don't seem so big.
Let me see if my beloved Wiki has something on the national breakdown of mortality in the 1918 pandemic.
Written by: , 12 Feb 2008 5:42 PM
From:
Dr's stocks are being screened, ours are not. DR is actively trying to control the virus, we are not. I see nothing wrong in demanding that our trading partner tackle this issue, but we should be doing the same thing as well. Our countries are small so if DR has the virus, then we do to. The virus will always spread unless eliminated, so no matter what DR does, if our birds are infected, then your birds will always be reinfected.
There's been so much nationalistic chest beating, and it's taking us down the wrong path. Telling DR what to do and how to do it does not mean that we in Haiti are actually doing something. We need to be working with DR, learning from them, and start screening our birds.
Written by: Belial, 12 Feb 2008 6:02 PM
From: United States, Texas
Since there seems to be a discrepancy in the press coverage about type of strain of the flu in the DR, perhaps we should look the each of the two strains -- H5N2 alleged by WOAH and H5N1 by Dominican Today -- that have variously been reported.
WOAH informs us that H5N2 is fooling around.
"H5N2 is a subtype of the species Influenzavirus A (avian influenza virus or bird flu virus).
A highly pathogenic strain of H5N2 caused flu outbreaks with significant spread to numerous farms, resulting in great economic losses in 1983 in Pennsylvania, USA in chickens and turkeys, in 1994 in Mexico in chickens and a minor outbreak in 1997 in Italy in chickens."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H5N2This strain, Wiki alleges contrary some of the utterances about "low pathogenic" of DR authorities, may be "highly pathogenic," meaning it spreads fast and will knock the chickens off their feet.
Remember, this stuff is mutating ... like Count Dracula ... to get us and get the chickens.
Written by: Belial, 12 Feb 2008 6:03 PM
From: United States, Texas
Dominican Today usually says its H5N1.
"Influenza A virus subtype H5N1, also known as A(H5N1) or simply H5N1, is a subtype of the Influenza A virus which can cause illness in humans and many other animal species. A bird-adapted strain of H5N1, called HPAI A(H5N1) for "highly pathogenic avian influenza virus of type A of subtype H5N1", is the causative agent of H5N1 flu, commonly known as "avian influenza" or 'bird flu' ".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H5N1I don't know whom to believe.
Is it H5N2 or H5N1?
Note that Wiki says H5N1 "can cause illness in humans."
Sometimes WIKI is wrong.
Written by: Belial, 12 Feb 2008 6:17 PM
From: United States, Texas
Perception, you ask about the mortality of the 1918 outbreak of the H1N1 strain. Although its called the Spanish flu, it originated in the USA.
The global mortality rate from the 1918/1919 pandemic is not known, but is estimated at 2.5 to 5% of the human population, with 20% or more of the world population suffering from the disease to some extent. Influenza may have killed as many as 25 million in its first 25 weeks (in contrast, AIDS killed 25 million in its first 25 years). Older estimates say it killed 40–50 million people while current estimates say 50 million to 100 million people worldwide were killed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemicIf 100 people million failed dead in 1918, there were almost certainly some DRs who failed.
Wiki wasn't interested in the DRs who failed, but some countries were mentioned.
Written by: Belial, 12 Feb 2008 6:18 PM
From: United States, Texas
This is partially enlightening.
"An estimated 7 million died in India, about 2.78% of India's population at the time. In the Indian Army, almost 22% of troops who caught the disease died of it. In the U.S., about 28% of the population suffered, and 500,000 to 675,000 died. In Britain as many as 250,000 died; in France more than 400,000. In Canada approximately 50,000 died. Entire villages perished in Alaska and southern Africa. In Australia an estimated 12,000 people died and in the Fiji Islands, 14% of the population died during only two weeks, and in Western Samoa 22%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemicWritten by: Belial, 12 Feb 2008 6:25 PM
From: United States, Texas
"There's been so much nationalistic chest beating , and it's taking us down the wrong path."
0000
Bravo, the voice of sanity and reason, so rare.
Written by: Euromax, 12 Feb 2008 6:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Region Cibao
im getting tire of this, ignorants, they always complain about us, by they never know how to fix all there stupid mess they had done themselves... " knowledge is the power of progress"
Written by: Belial, 12 Feb 2008 6:34 PM
From: United States, Texas
"The Birds is a 1963 horror film directed by Alfred Hitchcock, loosely based on the short story The Birds by Daphne du Maurier. The film's innovative special effects, soundtrack, and apocalyptic theme influenced later "revenge of nature" disaster films. Unlike most other films of its era, The Birds did not have a music score or an ending in the conventional sense."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birds_(film)Well, the birds got 100 million of us in 1918. This time who knows how many they want?
At least, today, we have a music score.
From: United States
Can you hear me laughfing !!!!!!
Written by: Belial, 12 Feb 2008 6:55 PM
From: United States, Texas
"I see nothing wrong in demanding that our trading partner tackle this issue, but we should be doing the same thing as well. "
0000
You better.
But the problem is that a country needs a huge scientific and technological inteligentsia with expertise and an infrastructure in the biological sciences.
These difficulties with sick birds and eggs are a little over the heads of most bird farmers, especially DR bird farmers.
Haiti, I assume, is not even in the technical ballpark. But the Haitians are not shy about asking the Cubans ... who know a thing or two ... for assistance in the biological sciences.
Of course, USA and Cuba should be working together on the DR/Haitian and similar problems in the region, but the USA has an idiot in the White House who only wants to kill Iraqis.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Written by: Belial, 12 Feb 2008 7:26 PM
From: United States, Texas
" if i was the president of D.R i will not wait the chance to blast those Haitians out of our land and border"
0000
Oh me, oh mine. You really want to sell or get rid of those chickens. Don't you?
When ... or If ... the WOAF certifies that none of the four outbreaks of sick chickens in DR is continuing, perhaps you will relent and not blast the Haitians because, after all, the Haitians are significant part of your export market for chickens.
By the way, do those chicken ... consumed in the DR ... taste funny?
Or different from the way they used to?
Written by: Belial, 12 Feb 2008 7:33 PM
From: United States, Texas
Some of us who like chickens may be interested in the symptoms of the chicken flu if the strain mutates so that it makes humans sick, too.
Body aches, especially joints and throat
Coughing and sneezing
Extreme coldness and fever
Fatigue
Headache
Irritated watering eyes
Nasal congestion
Nausea and vomiting
Reddened eyes, skin (especially face), mouth, throat and nose
I can endure everything but the headaches.
Written by: Lautaro, 12 Feb 2008 7:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"Of course, USA and Cuba should be working together on the DR/Haitian and similar problems in the region, but the USA has an idiot in the White House who only wants to kill Iraqis."
I may not agree with all your ideas, mr. Belial, but on your quote above I'm 100% in agreement. Instead of spending billions upon billions of dollars in senseless wars, the US should be helping our countries to get rid of their ills. After all, if living standards are raised on this island, the US would finally be able to stop worrying about preventing haitian/dominican migrants having to brave the Florida straits and the Mona channel just to reach "the American Dream".
Written by: Pepe32, 12 Feb 2008 8:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic
My main problem with this whole issue is not that a sovereign state decided to temporarily ban Dominican avian products,but that a nation that currently is under international stewardship and has no real means to verify the safety or lack of safety of any product or to control the rampant diseases prevalent in the UN protectorate know as Haiti uses this as a weapon to extract political concessions from my country is ridiculous. If the USDA has cleared DR,how are Haitian authorities better equipped?
From: United States
No "Visa" for you my friend !!!!
Have a nice day !!!!
From: United States
To Pepe32: Agree with You all the way brother, but You know something let's see and wait at the end Who was the liar??? DR or Haiti
DR did all that was supposed to be done, what happens is the goverment is being diplomatic, educated and sensitive.
International community look at the whole thing and They will make the final conclusions, at the end They will see who has the good faith will, also goverment is looking for another ways to sell our different products to different countries.
I heard about it from somebody close in the goverment, it will be a surprise (SHOCK)
So sit tight brother and Patience please, The future is bright in the Dominican Republic horizon so dear countrymen God is with us and We will rewarded with good blessings.
Written by: Belial, 12 Feb 2008 9:26 PM
From: United States, Texas
I have a question.
Why do birds ... and not rats and roaches ... catch the flu?
My guess is that it has something to do with the air ... inhaling and exhaling, a lot, which birds do when they fly.
But I don't know.
It's a guess.
Written by: Pepe32, 12 Feb 2008 9:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Sorry perception I don't need a visa.I can travel to Europe and the US with no problems,as far as my countrymen that cause problems in either the EU or the US,they have the sovereign right and the duty to their people to deport them!
Rubirosa, I agree that we are on the path to a better place ,but with a burden that may be as high as 2 million all this progress may be destroyed the same way the western side of the island has been destroyed.
From: Dominican Republic
the H5n2 flu is already in the United States so they don't have to ban the imports. This is the strain that is here.If it were the H5n1 -- exports would indeed be banned to the US...
From: United States
To Pepe32:once again welcome brother and keep fighting for the right cause, our country need us and like John F. Kennedy once said "Don't ask what your country can do for You but what can you do for Your country"
I will never forget this statement in my life and don't feel downgrade regarding the gentleman that already make unpollite comments about you.
I back You up 100% dear "Dominican" brother so count with me all the way and let's continue fighting for our beautiful land and our legacy at the end the founding fathers will be happy on their graves.
"Duarte, Sanchez y Mella"
From: United States
Dear gentleman: I don't want to mention Your name so You don't accuse me of "Harrasment"
so please If you want to keep everything professional do as it is, otherwise the "Battle is on"
You decide what is politically correct,and read your comments many times, believe or not sometimes I personally respect your information opinions since They have a good and common sense.
You get pointless and without any clue when You start directing Your attacks against non sense
people, insitutions or "Etnia" so as long as You stay focus on the issue doesn't bother me, "Believe or not" I do really believe on democracy and respect everybody opinions.
You decide at the end how you want to keep the "Battle field" either "Professional or Bloody"
Please let me know and I watching you very "CLOSELY"
"
Written by: Pepe32, 12 Feb 2008 10:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Why would someone pick the name of a demon to represent themselves?
Written by: santanar, 12 Feb 2008 10:27 PM
From: United States
Sooner all later the anti Dominican sentiment was going to show and this excuse about avian flu is only that, who know how many avian disaster they had on there paradise, at least the DR is being recognize by the international community for openly announcing the problem. Two good thing about this issue is that the price of eggs and chicken will drop and subsequently inflation will go down and we the young Dominican will understand why our grandfather did not truth does folks.
From: United States
To Pepe32: funny comment buddy and keep the good work brother.............
"Duarte, Sanchez y Mella"
Written by: Belial, 13 Feb 2008 10:02 AM
From: United States, Texas
Today, Wed. Feb. 13, the World Organization For Animal Health (WOAH) on its web site says that the third of 4 DR outbreaks of sick chickens, an outbreak, the 3rd one, that began Jan. 11, 2008, at La Otra Banda, Cruce del Isleño, La Otra Banda, LA ALTAGRACIA, is CONTINUING.
http://www.oie.int/wahid-prod/pub....eport&pop=1&reportid=6671The other three outbreaks have been resolved, according to the WOAH.
In other words, no change during the last 24 hours on the status of the third outbreak.
There was no description on the WOAH web site of the problem encountered, if any, in resolving the third of the four outbreaks of chicken flu. The web site doesn't show a change from yesterday in the number of birds destroyed -- 951 -- at the 3rd outbreak location.
From: United States
Mr. Belial, then this is a very serious concern. At the beggining of the forum I was joking around, after I read this last report, I found myself very concern in this matter. I believe there's a need to wipe-out all the poultry from the Island, otherwise things can go wrong. With all this "Incubation" thing, everything can go south easy. I hope there's some "Blue Eyed" people advising this Officials down there, with the next move, before its to late.
Hoping for the best outcome for everyone down there.
Written by: Belial, 13 Feb 2008 11:01 AM
From: United States, Texas
Whether this "serious concern," which you mention, is either a potentiality or actuality I can't definitively say.
But I'm sure its, at least, a potentiality however as long as the situation remains officially unresolved.
But the real question is whether the "serious concern" is already an actuality. My daily check of the WOAH site tells me that whatever is the nature of the outbreak situation, it is CONTINUING.
Notwithstanding the DR bluster, this continuation of the outbreak has not been explicitly denied. The DR authorities insist however that everything is "under controlled," not that the problem of sick chickens have been resolved.
It is difficult to know what all of this means, if anything.
From: United States
This is definitely an “outbreak”, It’s started at La Altagracia province and now it’s as far as Bani in the south. “It could be a possibility someone move those rooster and Hen around” just a joke!!!. I was looking at DR’s Map at the OIE site, and its spreading, It could spread faster if a warmer weather upon the Island.
I would like to hear from the “Conspiracy theorist !!!!
From: United States
Some people get too much CAFFEINE when They wake up and They are like a crazy character, every morning that they wake up They decide the topic and from that point on everything is negative.
Somebody "Well respected" in this forum already made a comment about your negativity, and stop bashing out everything made in "DR"
You know who you are the same one that try to be a "Macho man" Showing my IP adress and at the end had to hide its head between the legs.
Why bragging about being a "Mister PHD in everything" when You can never show some kind of human restraint.
Keep pushing us that You are the one taking yourself to a "Dead End"
Written by: santanar, 13 Feb 2008 8:54 PM
From: United States
Have any of you PhD intellect hear this "el pollo tiene MOSQUILLO" is been around for decade know, but now is call AVIAN FLU.
From: United States
All suddengly our neighbors have so much knowledge about something that is not even harmful or negative to human beings according to the "FAO" "USDA" and everybody else.
Overnight our friends on the other side of the island became so sensitive to be noticed by the international community as victims and "Dominicans" as abusers.
Regardless of what everybody says We "Dominicans" will eat and enjoy our sick and polluted chickens and eggs and let our poor neighbors to starve to death because their goverment is trying to use cheap and non sense politics.
Bad thing is that our "so Called producers" instead of being patriotic and showing pride now are trying to blackmail and screw up the country for not reason.
I'm still waiting for the great news to be posted anytime that all the "Radioactive" produce is going to be exported to a different country so We stop the damn crying and debating with the friends on the other side of the island.
From: United States
(Cont) to the DOMINICAN GOVERMENT: stop being politically correct with a set of people that want to abuse our country with their "RACIST" agenda.
Written by: dagtan, 13 Feb 2008 11:17 PM
From: United States
Rubi, come down for one second. The real issue here is that we are now seeing two nations who are using their politcal systems to deal with one another. I believe that it is great, since neither nation had never used pure politics to solve their problems, but instead had indulged on their prejudice to deal with one another. Haiti needs to take a stand in order to garnish the respect that a sovereing nation deserves. It is clear that Dominican politicians and citizens do not take Haiti seriously, therefore, destroying any possibility of political engagement free of superiority attitudes. Eventually, these nations will emerge from the shodows and show their tru colors and strenghts. Haiti is getting better and once things come down and the government becomes more stable, things will get better. Eventually the two politcal groups will be able to sit down and broker deals and act for the best of their people. As Dominicans we must not sabotage Haiti, instead, we need, cont..
Written by: dagtan, 13 Feb 2008 11:22 PM
From: United States
embrace each other, since we have a synbiotic relationship to begin with. The Iraqi war will be over once Mr. Obama becomes president, and I am sure that that prevailing attitudes from the white house will chnage and poor countries in the caribbean like ours are going to once again come under the American agenda. Venezuela has taken some real interest in Haiti and I believe that they are in the process of building new airports, facilties and expanding their transportation system. This is good for both Haiti and DR, it is not healthy to be depositing your venon here, since it would stifle the progress. In the years to come JRRubirosa, our beloved island would not longer enjoy the center of attention in the caribbean, if we as educated people realize this, then we must now work together to foster a strong relantioship in order to prevail in the bad times. Sometimes, you talk as if DR was far more superior than Haiti in all aspects of life, you are wrong Mr. JRRubirosa, every, cont..
Written by: dagtan, 13 Feb 2008 11:28 PM
From: United States
soceity and country has its ups and downs. At the end of the day we are talking about two third world countries where education is not priority, where medical services are third rate, where social systems are not inplace, where children do not fullfil their dreams not for the lack of aspiration, but for the lack of opportunities. Living in NYC, have really injected a great degree of humbleness in me, since I see that my people work hard, but few of them actually make above the poverty line. We are in no possition to degrade another group of people that is simply suffering from the same ills as us, the only diference JRRubirosa, is that we Dominicans are so darn proud that we rather starve to death instead of asking our neighbors for food. Our issues in DR are profound and fundamental, it will take at least 5 generations to bring them under control, but we refuse to see them or admit to them, because if we do, then we will be ashamed of similarities to the neigbor next door.
From: United States
Mr. Dagtan;
My most respects for your kind and wise words for this gentleman.
Thank you.
Note: I know most of the time I sound rude, but I do have the same and best interest for all Dominicans and Haitians.
From: United States
The issue is OVER, thanks God since goverment is going to buy the production so I'm still waiting for the great news.
Same people are the ones to be in the happy mood all the time bashing us right and left without "EXCUSE or EXPLANATION.
So this great and possitive KARMA message Mr Dagtan might be acceptable as long as the neighbors learn to resepct, respect and respect .
From: United States
Dominican authorities have yet to control bird flu outbreak, the UN says
Written by: dagtan, 15 Feb 2008 4:18 PM
From: United States
JRRubirosa, think about for one second. If you come to the table with your preconditions, you will never achieve parity among people or countries. One thign I learned early at St. Johns was to separate my heart from my brain. What this mean is that as an educated person, one can no longer or no longer have the luxury of talking with the heart. Because it is well known and documented that the heart is irrational and reactive, there is no obejctivity in heart my friend. While, the brain is the source of reasoning and objectivity. We must get in the habit of using our brains and put our emotions in check before we speak publicly about topics. I understand that you feel the urgency to defend DR and that is good, because we need agitators in order for the brain trust to consolidate power and have an opening to talk reason into certain segments of society. You see JRRubirosa, I get more ears than you, because people get turn off by your tirade, but find comfort in reason.
From: United States
Mr Dagtan: Respect Your poliite and diplomatic talk very much, So far so good and you sound like a civilized and well spoken human being.
Let's keep it up and see what happens, very good karma opinions.
Once again on that part You seem to be very focus and down to earth, let's continue this way.
Written by: dagtan, 15 Feb 2008 5:02 PM
From: United States
JR, at the end of the day, you and I want the same thing for our beloved country, which we miss dearly. I love everything about my country and that love is what drives me to be a critic of the things that prevent everyone from developing and enjoying all the fruits of our land.
Written by: MrBean, 27 May 2008 9:21 PM
From: Haiti
You must realize the concern of the Haitian community over this epidemic regarding the bird flu concerns.
There have been several historical and recent occurances where several Dominican authorities have overlooked the concerns of the poor within its own country and with its own people. Take the industrial town of Haina, Dominican Republic for example. Lead Battery (Car and Invertor) producers were allowed to dump toxic waste, particularly lead contaminants on the lands surrounding the factories. This has resulted in categoric and medically proven cases of lead poisoning for numerous dominicans; resulting in substantial medical problems for Haina citizens. What was the response and solution from the authorities and factory owners? Answer: denial and a refusal to accept responsibility regarding dominican citizens themselves. This lack of accountability and blatent complacency regarding the lives of local individuals leads others to question the integrity of those in charge.
Written by: MrBean, 27 May 2008 9:52 PM
From: Haiti
I have read some of the racially charged statements made towards Haitians by some biggoted dominicans and I consider them fools.
I am a Haitian American and I wonder why the racists who happen to be from the Dominican Republic have never tried to disrespect me to my person. Perhaps they dont have the guts. They hide behind a computer keyboard in some dark room and send out their hate messages.
I am a senior engineering manager, MIT graduate, who works for one of the largest companies in the US. I have helped numerous Haitians and Dominicans obtain jobs in many different areas of the plant. The world could be better if we would work together and consider ourselves more united than separate and divisive. Perhaps we should try unity; isnt it funny how God tied our countries together. Trust me when I tell you that there are many, many, many dominicans who live in Haiti. They also should not be treated with discrimination. Perhaps the solution lies with our generation.
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This should be no problem Lio-nel Fernandez loves globalization, international organizations, international conferences; whats the name of his front organization FUN and GOLD.
"The winner will take it all"
We will see who was lying to the international community.......
"Patience, patience and patience"
The WOAH says that the causal agent if a low pathogenic avian influenza virus and the serotype is H5N2.
oooo
The World Organization For Animal Health's ("WOAH") map of DR outbreak locations show 4 DR chicken flu outbreaks -- 2 in the center and 2 in the eastern part of the DR.
http://www.oie.int/wahid-prod/pub....eport&pop=1&reportid=6671
WOAH reports that 1096 birds have been destroyed since the first outbreak, not the ridiculous 15 roosters and 2 hens solemnly reported by "Today." Most of the destroyed birds, 951 chickens, were at the Dec. 12, 2007 outbreak around La Otra Banda, Cruce del Isleño, La Otra Banda, LA ALTAGRACIA, the WOAH reports.
WAH report says that 3 of the four DR outbreaks have been resolved, but the big outbreak around La Otra Banda, Cruce del Isleño, La Otra Banda, LA ALTAGRACIA is CONTINUING.
WOAH shows that 3 of the four outbreaks dealt with poultry birds and the remaining outbreak with fighting cocks. This must be where "Today" got the info on its celebrated 15 roosters and 2 hens.
0000
The WOAH says that the causal agent if a low pathogenic avian influenza virus and the serotype is H5N2.
Our fresh news from the WOAH doesn't affirm or deny Gue on this point.
"Gué ... said Dominican authorities waited too long to begin destroying prized fight roosters that may have been exposed to the H5N1 virus and in shuttering farms that reported infections," Today" reported
Our fresh news shows that the first outbreak was Dec. 12 and the WOAH was notified Dec. 21, a 9-day difference. Someone who knows the business has to say whether 9 days is a long or a short time.
The government didn't bring the problem to the public's attention, the web site PoultrySite disclosed the problem on Jan 2, 2008, some 20 days after the first of four outbreaks occurred. The next day, government on January 3 finally confirmed the story that PoultrySite broke on Jan.2. Again, Someone who knows the business has to say whether 20 days days is a long or a short time for public notification.
Here's a "Today" article about 40 million people who died of the flu in 1918 which suggests that public notification may be an important matter.
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....n-humans-prompt-new-investigation
Oh me, oh mine! 40 million dead people seem like a lot!
Thank's
Eighty years ago, 40,000,000 people were a good chunk of the world population; but today with 6 billion humans or whatever walking around, 40M don't seem so big.
Let me see if my beloved Wiki has something on the national breakdown of mortality in the 1918 pandemic.
There's been so much nationalistic chest beating, and it's taking us down the wrong path. Telling DR what to do and how to do it does not mean that we in Haiti are actually doing something. We need to be working with DR, learning from them, and start screening our birds.
WOAH informs us that H5N2 is fooling around.
"H5N2 is a subtype of the species Influenzavirus A (avian influenza virus or bird flu virus).
A highly pathogenic strain of H5N2 caused flu outbreaks with significant spread to numerous farms, resulting in great economic losses in 1983 in Pennsylvania, USA in chickens and turkeys, in 1994 in Mexico in chickens and a minor outbreak in 1997 in Italy in chickens."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H5N2
This strain, Wiki alleges contrary some of the utterances about "low pathogenic" of DR authorities, may be "highly pathogenic," meaning it spreads fast and will knock the chickens off their feet.
Remember, this stuff is mutating ... like Count Dracula ... to get us and get the chickens.
Dominican Today usually says its H5N1.
"Influenza A virus subtype H5N1, also known as A(H5N1) or simply H5N1, is a subtype of the Influenza A virus which can cause illness in humans and many other animal species. A bird-adapted strain of H5N1, called HPAI A(H5N1) for "highly pathogenic avian influenza virus of type A of subtype H5N1", is the causative agent of H5N1 flu, commonly known as "avian influenza" or 'bird flu' ".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H5N1
I don't know whom to believe.
Is it H5N2 or H5N1?
Note that Wiki says H5N1 "can cause illness in humans."
Sometimes WIKI is wrong.
The global mortality rate from the 1918/1919 pandemic is not known, but is estimated at 2.5 to 5% of the human population, with 20% or more of the world population suffering from the disease to some extent. Influenza may have killed as many as 25 million in its first 25 weeks (in contrast, AIDS killed 25 million in its first 25 years). Older estimates say it killed 40–50 million people while current estimates say 50 million to 100 million people worldwide were killed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic
If 100 people million failed dead in 1918, there were almost certainly some DRs who failed.
Wiki wasn't interested in the DRs who failed, but some countries were mentioned.
"An estimated 7 million died in India, about 2.78% of India's population at the time. In the Indian Army, almost 22% of troops who caught the disease died of it. In the U.S., about 28% of the population suffered, and 500,000 to 675,000 died. In Britain as many as 250,000 died; in France more than 400,000. In Canada approximately 50,000 died. Entire villages perished in Alaska and southern Africa. In Australia an estimated 12,000 people died and in the Fiji Islands, 14% of the population died during only two weeks, and in Western Samoa 22%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic
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Bravo, the voice of sanity and reason, so rare.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birds_(film)
Well, the birds got 100 million of us in 1918. This time who knows how many they want?
At least, today, we have a music score.
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You better.
But the problem is that a country needs a huge scientific and technological inteligentsia with expertise and an infrastructure in the biological sciences.
These difficulties with sick birds and eggs are a little over the heads of most bird farmers, especially DR bird farmers.
Haiti, I assume, is not even in the technical ballpark. But the Haitians are not shy about asking the Cubans ... who know a thing or two ... for assistance in the biological sciences.
Of course, USA and Cuba should be working together on the DR/Haitian and similar problems in the region, but the USA has an idiot in the White House who only wants to kill Iraqis.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Oh me, oh mine. You really want to sell or get rid of those chickens. Don't you?
When ... or If ... the WOAF certifies that none of the four outbreaks of sick chickens in DR is continuing, perhaps you will relent and not blast the Haitians because, after all, the Haitians are significant part of your export market for chickens.
By the way, do those chicken ... consumed in the DR ... taste funny?
Or different from the way they used to?
Body aches, especially joints and throat
Coughing and sneezing
Extreme coldness and fever
Fatigue
Headache
Irritated watering eyes
Nasal congestion
Nausea and vomiting
Reddened eyes, skin (especially face), mouth, throat and nose
I can endure everything but the headaches.
I may not agree with all your ideas, mr. Belial, but on your quote above I'm 100% in agreement. Instead of spending billions upon billions of dollars in senseless wars, the US should be helping our countries to get rid of their ills. After all, if living standards are raised on this island, the US would finally be able to stop worrying about preventing haitian/dominican migrants having to brave the Florida straits and the Mona channel just to reach "the American Dream".
Have a nice day !!!!
DR did all that was supposed to be done, what happens is the goverment is being diplomatic, educated and sensitive.
International community look at the whole thing and They will make the final conclusions, at the end They will see who has the good faith will, also goverment is looking for another ways to sell our different products to different countries.
I heard about it from somebody close in the goverment, it will be a surprise (SHOCK)
So sit tight brother and Patience please, The future is bright in the Dominican Republic horizon so dear countrymen God is with us and We will rewarded with good blessings.
Why do birds ... and not rats and roaches ... catch the flu?
My guess is that it has something to do with the air ... inhaling and exhaling, a lot, which birds do when they fly.
But I don't know.
It's a guess.
Rubirosa, I agree that we are on the path to a better place ,but with a burden that may be as high as 2 million all this progress may be destroyed the same way the western side of the island has been destroyed.
I will never forget this statement in my life and don't feel downgrade regarding the gentleman that already make unpollite comments about you.
I back You up 100% dear "Dominican" brother so count with me all the way and let's continue fighting for our beautiful land and our legacy at the end the founding fathers will be happy on their graves.
"Duarte, Sanchez y Mella"
so please If you want to keep everything professional do as it is, otherwise the "Battle is on"
You decide what is politically correct,and read your comments many times, believe or not sometimes I personally respect your information opinions since They have a good and common sense.
You get pointless and without any clue when You start directing Your attacks against non sense
people, insitutions or "Etnia" so as long as You stay focus on the issue doesn't bother me, "Believe or not" I do really believe on democracy and respect everybody opinions.
You decide at the end how you want to keep the "Battle field" either "Professional or Bloody"
Please let me know and I watching you very "CLOSELY"
"
"Duarte, Sanchez y Mella"
http://www.oie.int/wahid-prod/pub....eport&pop=1&reportid=6671
The other three outbreaks have been resolved, according to the WOAH.
In other words, no change during the last 24 hours on the status of the third outbreak.
There was no description on the WOAH web site of the problem encountered, if any, in resolving the third of the four outbreaks of chicken flu. The web site doesn't show a change from yesterday in the number of birds destroyed -- 951 -- at the 3rd outbreak location.
Hoping for the best outcome for everyone down there.
But I'm sure its, at least, a potentiality however as long as the situation remains officially unresolved.
But the real question is whether the "serious concern" is already an actuality. My daily check of the WOAH site tells me that whatever is the nature of the outbreak situation, it is CONTINUING.
Notwithstanding the DR bluster, this continuation of the outbreak has not been explicitly denied. The DR authorities insist however that everything is "under controlled," not that the problem of sick chickens have been resolved.
It is difficult to know what all of this means, if anything.
I would like to hear from the “Conspiracy theorist !!!!
Somebody "Well respected" in this forum already made a comment about your negativity, and stop bashing out everything made in "DR"
You know who you are the same one that try to be a "Macho man" Showing my IP adress and at the end had to hide its head between the legs.
Why bragging about being a "Mister PHD in everything" when You can never show some kind of human restraint.
Keep pushing us that You are the one taking yourself to a "Dead End"
Overnight our friends on the other side of the island became so sensitive to be noticed by the international community as victims and "Dominicans" as abusers.
Regardless of what everybody says We "Dominicans" will eat and enjoy our sick and polluted chickens and eggs and let our poor neighbors to starve to death because their goverment is trying to use cheap and non sense politics.
Bad thing is that our "so Called producers" instead of being patriotic and showing pride now are trying to blackmail and screw up the country for not reason.
I'm still waiting for the great news to be posted anytime that all the "Radioactive" produce is going to be exported to a different country so We stop the damn crying and debating with the friends on the other side of the island.
My most respects for your kind and wise words for this gentleman.
Thank you.
Note: I know most of the time I sound rude, but I do have the same and best interest for all Dominicans and Haitians.
Same people are the ones to be in the happy mood all the time bashing us right and left without "EXCUSE or EXPLANATION.
So this great and possitive KARMA message Mr Dagtan might be acceptable as long as the neighbors learn to resepct, respect and respect .
Let's keep it up and see what happens, very good karma opinions.
Once again on that part You seem to be very focus and down to earth, let's continue this way.
There have been several historical and recent occurances where several Dominican authorities have overlooked the concerns of the poor within its own country and with its own people. Take the industrial town of Haina, Dominican Republic for example. Lead Battery (Car and Invertor) producers were allowed to dump toxic waste, particularly lead contaminants on the lands surrounding the factories. This has resulted in categoric and medically proven cases of lead poisoning for numerous dominicans; resulting in substantial medical problems for Haina citizens. What was the response and solution from the authorities and factory owners? Answer: denial and a refusal to accept responsibility regarding dominican citizens themselves. This lack of accountability and blatent complacency regarding the lives of local individuals leads others to question the integrity of those in charge.
I am a Haitian American and I wonder why the racists who happen to be from the Dominican Republic have never tried to disrespect me to my person. Perhaps they dont have the guts. They hide behind a computer keyboard in some dark room and send out their hate messages.
I am a senior engineering manager, MIT graduate, who works for one of the largest companies in the US. I have helped numerous Haitians and Dominicans obtain jobs in many different areas of the plant. The world could be better if we would work together and consider ourselves more united than separate and divisive. Perhaps we should try unity; isnt it funny how God tied our countries together. Trust me when I tell you that there are many, many, many dominicans who live in Haiti. They also should not be treated with discrimination. Perhaps the solution lies with our generation.