SANTO DOMINGO.- National Police chief Rafael Guzmán yesterday said the crime-fighting strategies won’t retreat "not one millimeter," when asked if his agents have resumed the old practice of killing suspected thugs in alleged "exchange of gunfire" to bid rid of them and not crowd the country’s jails.
In less than 72 hours police have shot and killed eight suspects in different parts of the country, with lieutenant Felix Valoy wounded in one incident.
Guzmán denied the cases are "extrajudicial executions," and instead describes them as self-defense. "Here judicial executions don’t exist and therefore there are no extrajudicial executions either."
He said the National Police currently faces daring criminals, but warned that the agents aren’t willing to let themselves be intimidated by the "ruffians." He said the criminals had taken over the streets and the Police is now recovering them with much authority and bravery, but respecting human rights.
Written by: josean, 14 Feb 2008 8:41 AM
From: United States
"Kill Them All, Let God Sort Them Out!" and "Nulla salus extra ecclesium" I am sure Lio-nel Fernandez and the Cardinal approve.
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
illegitimi non carborundum.....is my motto for posting and living in D.R.
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
now back to our police and the risk they face in their duties and the risk of gaining a reputation as Death Squads...sorry for the interuption
Written by: bernies, 14 Feb 2008 10:54 AM
From: United States, falls church va
listen josean what do you have to say about what the chief of police is doing to get rid off those creminals. Like Candelier back in the old days were everybody was happy with the actions implemented by him.
Written by: BLANCO, 14 Feb 2008 11:02 AM
From: Dominican Republic
this use to be called "tried by higher court". maybe they are part of the coming home in an airplane, sweater over the head crowd . 800 more targets in the next two months according to US embassy spokesperson in todays LD
Written by: bernies, 14 Feb 2008 11:09 AM
From: United States, falls church va
that's the only way to get rid off them you are a dominican and you know that. the ther way is that they paid their out jail and go back to do the same. viva trujillo.
From: United States
Blanco quoted: this use to be called "tried by higher court". maybe they are part of the coming home in an airplane, sweater over the head crowd . 800 more targets in the next two months according to US embassy spokesperson in todays LD
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Were do you read this today LD ?
Written by: framire3, 14 Feb 2008 1:26 PM
From: United States
I'm on not favor of kill peoples, but thoses peoples there are not got in this world
From: United States
They police have a right to defend themselves when engaged in their very demanding job. What all of us need to keep in mind is there is a very delicate line between self-defense and intentional killing. That line could be crossed at any time. When self-defense evolves into intentional killing, even when those killed are truly bad guys, the law is corrupted, and we are well on the road back to the 1950s. Right now, we should take the police at their word, but we should be forewarned, and we should keep in mind, that things have a way of developing negatively if not held in check. We need to be vigilant against an emerging police state. Such a state would be accountable to no one. It has happened before, and it could happen again. For now, give the police credit, but keep in mind the next "outlaw" killed might very well be someone who has committed no crime, someone in the wrong place at the wrong time. It might even be you. A word to the wise is sufficient.
Written by: maria, 14 Feb 2008 3:51 PM
From: United Kingdom, england
i agree with poss od being caught up with wrong person wrongt time wrong place i have expe
rienced this with my dominican husband the police were bad and threatreningt and he was just waiting for me in the car they threatened to shoot him why? he had not done nothing so we have to be careful bout the bad ones
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
the term is "death squads".......roadside justice
Written by: maria, 14 Feb 2008 4:06 PM
From: United Kingdom, england
i want my husband out of there asap any ideas on getting visa done quickly
Written by: Leandro, 14 Feb 2008 4:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic
roadside justice is all depent your last name and who you are . you know more than me that the corruption it come from the top and killin the low one. so the have some one to show as a criminal. other way they would be fired. i bet to you that all those guys that they killed their last name were no one important. so they have to do justice kill them no body know them.
Written by: Leandro, 14 Feb 2008 4:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic
yes you better.
Written by: Leandro, 14 Feb 2008 4:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic
i not no ideas i been here for the last ten years and that have been the best that have happen to or think i this time i will dead. i can stand a police and i know there will be a lot of comfrotation between me and them.
Written by: Leandro, 14 Feb 2008 4:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic
but you know ,be positive and everything will come by it self. and good luck with husband bringing him to your life.
Written by: BLANCO, 14 Feb 2008 5:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Perception second last page of the main section jsut across from where 90 came in yesterday. they come every wednesday
From: United States
Mr. Blanco, in the late 90's full US planes with 250 deportees arrived DR's inter-daily from JFK and SJU. Your implying that "800 more targets" in the next two months according to US embassy spokesperson in todays LD
I think they are 800 more disfranchised Dominicans, that this Administartion is not giving them any choices. !!!!!!
Mr. Bernies : "ViVa Trujillo", Sorry, to late!!!!, Your own people remove him
Written by: TFISKE, 14 Feb 2008 6:18 PM
From: Canada
Oh my god someone got shot
We should all run to the safety of United Kingdom or Usa..
maybe run to Thailand.
This is ridiculous..
Josean is the one always wanting action taking .. when it happens people freak out..
I am pretty sure your husband is safe and fine unless he is a bad ass or into something he shouldnt be like spending his nights at the car wash..
Written by: josean, 15 Feb 2008 12:05 AM
From: United States
PLD Democracy and Justice = Lets have the execution first and the trial latter!
Written by: TFISKE, 15 Feb 2008 12:54 AM
From: Canada
josean,
you never happy
anything to blame the pld party
thats all you do!
if your party was in power .. you would be so proud
the police you say are all crooks.. they defend themselves against thugs and you stick up for the thugs
typical garbage i expect from a guy with a hate on for the pld
the police will never get any credit from you or pld
i got it already
From: United States
fike ol fart, no enough wit Gocolonial ya, laking for more !! Brattty
From: United States
plannig far more scam weddigns at Cap Gana!!!! ya
We can rad , don't naad for Capital latters, !! ya Fiska ehh Balv.
Written by: TFISKE, 15 Feb 2008 1:12 AM
From: Canada
Always negative people.. nothing ever good enough or right!!
they say one thing and do the opposite
The DR is not perfect we all no that.. It is a hell of alot better than years ago and I hope continues to develop.
I dont want it to became like North America.. Hell look at the shootings today in the States..
We have murders,crime,corruption and poor
We are run by goverment and have rules for everything.. law suits for everything
We have lots of our own issues just relax and quit worring about it..
Enjoy the Sun,beaches,beer, and people
relax stop complaining about everything and blaming leonel for all!
Written by: TFISKE, 15 Feb 2008 1:15 AM
From: Canada
perception
sounds like you looking to get into ha ha ha
see ya
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
I see the man with the BIG FONT and little brain is still shooting off his mouth....he is a low grade moron.....I think his " be happy dont worry" talk is because he is drunk or high like I said before.....ILLEGITIMI NON CARBORUNDUM
Written by: TFISKE, 15 Feb 2008 3:09 AM
From: Canada
gouletcolonial
Hey Oldman
Why you worrying so much relax and enjoy your last years..
DR Its a great country.
From: United States
ya both dawn there DR? ehh k see time posting bunch Bratts
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
yes the D.R. is a great country....and yes I do worry that exploiters....and cheap and tawdry hustlers...will ruin its potential....they are just as bad or worse as the phony wedding scam and the phony cigar scam ...at least the weddings scam and the cigar scam are Dominicano
Written by: maria, 15 Feb 2008 3:15 PM
From: United Kingdom, england
to tf/ske my husband is a good man and not a bad ass or at the car wash i have been arrested with him for nothing they are not all bad people there i have good friends and family there the police just are greedy not all of them i guess but alot are so dont judge everyone the same there are good dominicans who get victimised too!!!!!!!!!
Written by: TFISKE, 15 Feb 2008 3:34 PM
From: Canada
maria
before you run off with your husband to another country
take a look around.. people get shot everywhere.. look at states yesterday
all i said is if you run everytime.. you will never stop running
funny ya no what the car wash is mmmm
lots of good dominican people yes and even police
Written by: maria, 15 Feb 2008 4:01 PM
From: United Kingdom, england
yes of course i know what the carwash is i have been with my man for 5 years not few months lol and yeh there are good police but i dont like the bad i have met and we are not running off we want a better life will go back as we love the country
people get shot everywhere england is really bad at present so dont think we are safe anywhere these days no one is !!!!!!!! i had a gun pointed at my face in puerto plata few months ago still went back i am not a quitter ok
Written by: TFISKE, 15 Feb 2008 4:54 PM
From: Canada
gouletcolonial, from manhattan,
spin your globe and guess again old man
if you must no i live 1hr from yyc and yeg
figure that out old man
it will give ya something to do in the home
get you raisan friends to help ya
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
wow your a practically a newfie, Bud the Spud thats where the goofy syntax came from....Lordy jesus bye
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
my heartfelt apology to all the people of Newfoundland for my previous remark.. bud the spud you road your bicycycle over that bridge and got out of town did you aay
Written by: TFISKE, 15 Feb 2008 5:50 PM
From: Canada
gouletcolonial,
Its Eh! if you really must no Eh! You are no Canadian man! every Canuck worth his weight in gold no's this Eh!
YYC and YEG are Airports you retard
You are no true Canadian. just a pretender and lieing name dropper
see ya oldman
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
nailed again didnt I BIG FONT and remember I forgot more about Canada than you will ever know
Written by: TFISKE, 15 Feb 2008 6:09 PM
From: Canada
gouletcolonial
ya whatever you say oldman Eh! you are no Canadian Sir!
I believe you do forget as you are on the last fews holes of your life..
enjoy easter and hiding your own eggs oldman!
You have little time left.. why dont you go for a walk or have that nurse change you again!
your stories are full of crap and the lies have caught up to you EH!
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
fisky no matter what you say here are the facts ....the term ay or eh or however you wish to spell it is a term used only by people who like yourself have not had the advantage of a decent education..punto period
Written by: TFISKE, 15 Feb 2008 6:28 PM
From: Canada
gouletcolonial, You are no Canadian!
Any true Canadian is aware of EH! If you are going to attack Canadians at least get it right!
Would you really like to compare education of the USA to Canada.. Once again you show your ignorance.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/taniah/Canada/take a look and learn something oldman
Have a good easter hunt old chap
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
fisky none of those people live there any more ...they all left or left when they were quite young like Saul Bellow or Kenneth Galbraith....Howie Mandel you can keep the way to guage this is to compare Nobel prizes go ahead look it up Do you think for a moment Canada has schools the equal of M.I.T. ..Stanford ,Harvard Yale...Wharton...Univ of Chicago......count the Nobel prizes dummy and the bank accounts to buy whatever they want Harvard endowment is 75 billion .even a dumb Canadian should know better...count the Nobels dummy...If you find a Canadian who won one he is probably teaching at an American school...SO how do you like them apples
Written by: TFISKE, 15 Feb 2008 8:02 PM
From: Canada
gouletcolonial,
Did George Bush go to Harvard?
Howie Mandel, wow a big loss there
Money and sun thats why they leave I got it thanks..
Lets take the mass population and compare the education system..You think the USA Education is the best in the world..wake up man! most cant find the next county. I lived in Alabama old boy and went to school on a golf scholarship.. let me tell you the education is weak!
How many Dominicans going to Harvard and Standford
Ya its all about money and power now thats an education system!
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
no lets not take the mass lets take the best......and i know for sure you did not go to Auburn because you to dumb,,,,,,, run fiske run...run fiske run....and we were not talking about dominicans going to Harvard or Stanford we were talking about how many Canadians are lined up to go to these top schools that I named....dont worry Forrest I mean fiske the top people from every other country are trying to go there as well.. I doubt your dubious claim about going to school in Alabama ...but it would explain your craving for a green card canuck and like I said it wasnt Auburn for sure maybe Talledega
Written by: TFISKE, 15 Feb 2008 8:56 PM
From: Canada
Usa is the best Old man.. Whatever you say!.
I have no desire to get a green card
If I wanted one I would get one thanks.
Bush and Harvard.. Makes sense.
This is why you should focus on the issues in your beloved land the USA and not worry so much about the DR.
Go worry about the USA and its issues like poverty, bad mortgages, knock off cigars, vegas weddings,shootings and corruption.
You said it yourself you would rather be in Manhattan so stay
let us who love the DR enjoy its beauty.. even though its no Manhattan nothing is according to you!
I will take the Dr over Manhattan anyday ..beach is a hell of alot nicer!
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
just the facts fiske just the facts this is not a contest ....you did want one and they told you to pound sand , so your stuck you should be careful about saying nasty things about Americans because they dont say nasty things about Canadians so you dont want them to know what you say behind their back ..Mr Stalker
Written by: joop2, 15 Feb 2008 9:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic, San Pedro de Macoris
with all those intelligent gun laws, the real people have no protection anymore and are therefore unable to help the police
the criminal has a very hungry family to feed, so he has nothing to loose and a very loaded gun in his hand, what makes him dangerous as hell
i think would shoot 1st, ask later as well if i was a policemen.
(maybe this policy is part of the governments "masterplan"?)
Written by: TFISKE, 15 Feb 2008 9:23 PM
From: Canada
I am not saying anthing nasty , I am simple stating the facts
All countries have issues thats how lifeis man
I am not sure why other countries think they have all the answers and can fix everyone elses problems.
I just wish they would clean up there own yard before they head out to fix the neighborhood
see ya
Written by: TFISKE, 15 Feb 2008 10:28 PM
From: Canada
gouletcolonial
ya you sure are a funny guy! head in sand wow!
I would rather be at the beach then hanging out with millions in the concrete jungle..
I prefer the hick life I guess
Not as up town as you MR manhattan!
You must have been a big wheel back in the 60's with frank and the boys..
Why dont you bring down 5k to Casa de Campo an we can play for it.
I will give ya 18shots
You can teach me all ya no.. while I kick your Old ass all over the golf course..
Unless you would rather play Domino's with me and the Caddies.. they always love a new mark!
From: United States, Long island, NY
To Tfiske: I support Your comments all the way "Brother"
The gang is so frustrated that things are going on forward mode in DR not in backwards mode like their motheirland "Haiti"
They getting headaches and hearburns and funny thing already saw their big picture with all this mentally challenged group of troublemakers.
Keep the good work and comments and I do like a lot your wise comments.
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
ruby stop being facetious
From: United States
Now, there is no "law & order" on the RD streets but police MUST recapture control of the streets but only for ELECTION reasons! The historical corruption element is barrios have gotten worse & more unsafe. The CORRUPTION-CONNECTION with drug gangs and police/DNCD Norte allow gangs to buy protecction & be above-the-law!. THERE ARE HIGH LOCAL POLITICAL PARTY FIGURES INVOLVED IN THIS MONEY-FOR-DRUGS WHICH IS WHY THE LION-NEL'S POLICE DID NOTHING EARLIER!
I only saw police in the Santiago barrio west of the Children's Hospital when they came to get pay-offs from the Pichardo's. The police & DNCD would often say 1 thing to us but do the opposite! Consequently, this drug group has accumulated wealth to diversify into real estate, apartments buildings etc and is led by brothers "Chino" and "Choppo" from Los Platatnitos (Ensanche Caonabo). One wrote above "things have a way of developing negatively if not held in check" well this was "purposely " never managed til NOW!
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Were do you read this today LD ?
rienced this with my dominican husband the police were bad and threatreningt and he was just waiting for me in the car they threatened to shoot him why? he had not done nothing so we have to be careful bout the bad ones
I think they are 800 more disfranchised Dominicans, that this Administartion is not giving them any choices. !!!!!!
Mr. Bernies : "ViVa Trujillo", Sorry, to late!!!!, Your own people remove him
We should all run to the safety of United Kingdom or Usa..
maybe run to Thailand.
This is ridiculous..
Josean is the one always wanting action taking .. when it happens people freak out..
I am pretty sure your husband is safe and fine unless he is a bad ass or into something he shouldnt be like spending his nights at the car wash..
you never happy
anything to blame the pld party
thats all you do!
if your party was in power .. you would be so proud
the police you say are all crooks.. they defend themselves against thugs and you stick up for the thugs
typical garbage i expect from a guy with a hate on for the pld
the police will never get any credit from you or pld
i got it already
We can rad , don't naad for Capital latters, !! ya Fiska ehh Balv.
they say one thing and do the opposite
The DR is not perfect we all no that.. It is a hell of alot better than years ago and I hope continues to develop.
I dont want it to became like North America.. Hell look at the shootings today in the States..
We have murders,crime,corruption and poor
We are run by goverment and have rules for everything.. law suits for everything
We have lots of our own issues just relax and quit worring about it..
Enjoy the Sun,beaches,beer, and people
relax stop complaining about everything and blaming leonel for all!
sounds like you looking to get into ha ha ha
see ya
Hey Oldman
Why you worrying so much relax and enjoy your last years..
DR Its a great country.
before you run off with your husband to another country
take a look around.. people get shot everywhere.. look at states yesterday
all i said is if you run everytime.. you will never stop running
funny ya no what the car wash is mmmm
lots of good dominican people yes and even police
people get shot everywhere england is really bad at present so dont think we are safe anywhere these days no one is !!!!!!!! i had a gun pointed at my face in puerto plata few months ago still went back i am not a quitter ok
spin your globe and guess again old man
if you must no i live 1hr from yyc and yeg
figure that out old man
it will give ya something to do in the home
get you raisan friends to help ya
Its Eh! if you really must no Eh! You are no Canadian man! every Canuck worth his weight in gold no's this Eh!
YYC and YEG are Airports you retard
You are no true Canadian. just a pretender and lieing name dropper
see ya oldman
ya whatever you say oldman Eh! you are no Canadian Sir!
I believe you do forget as you are on the last fews holes of your life..
enjoy easter and hiding your own eggs oldman!
You have little time left.. why dont you go for a walk or have that nurse change you again!
your stories are full of crap and the lies have caught up to you EH!
Any true Canadian is aware of EH! If you are going to attack Canadians at least get it right!
Would you really like to compare education of the USA to Canada.. Once again you show your ignorance.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/taniah/Canada/
take a look and learn something oldman
Have a good easter hunt old chap
Did George Bush go to Harvard?
Howie Mandel, wow a big loss there
Money and sun thats why they leave I got it thanks..
Lets take the mass population and compare the education system..You think the USA Education is the best in the world..wake up man! most cant find the next county. I lived in Alabama old boy and went to school on a golf scholarship.. let me tell you the education is weak!
How many Dominicans going to Harvard and Standford
Ya its all about money and power now thats an education system!
I have no desire to get a green card
If I wanted one I would get one thanks.
Bush and Harvard.. Makes sense.
This is why you should focus on the issues in your beloved land the USA and not worry so much about the DR.
Go worry about the USA and its issues like poverty, bad mortgages, knock off cigars, vegas weddings,shootings and corruption.
You said it yourself you would rather be in Manhattan so stay
let us who love the DR enjoy its beauty.. even though its no Manhattan nothing is according to you!
I will take the Dr over Manhattan anyday ..beach is a hell of alot nicer!
the criminal has a very hungry family to feed, so he has nothing to loose and a very loaded gun in his hand, what makes him dangerous as hell
i think would shoot 1st, ask later as well if i was a policemen.
(maybe this policy is part of the governments "masterplan"?)
All countries have issues thats how lifeis man
I am not sure why other countries think they have all the answers and can fix everyone elses problems.
I just wish they would clean up there own yard before they head out to fix the neighborhood
see ya
ya you sure are a funny guy! head in sand wow!
I would rather be at the beach then hanging out with millions in the concrete jungle..
I prefer the hick life I guess
Not as up town as you MR manhattan!
You must have been a big wheel back in the 60's with frank and the boys..
Why dont you bring down 5k to Casa de Campo an we can play for it.
I will give ya 18shots
You can teach me all ya no.. while I kick your Old ass all over the golf course..
Unless you would rather play Domino's with me and the Caddies.. they always love a new mark!
The gang is so frustrated that things are going on forward mode in DR not in backwards mode like their motheirland "Haiti"
They getting headaches and hearburns and funny thing already saw their big picture with all this mentally challenged group of troublemakers.
Keep the good work and comments and I do like a lot your wise comments.
I only saw police in the Santiago barrio west of the Children's Hospital when they came to get pay-offs from the Pichardo's. The police & DNCD would often say 1 thing to us but do the opposite! Consequently, this drug group has accumulated wealth to diversify into real estate, apartments buildings etc and is led by brothers "Chino" and "Choppo" from Los Platatnitos (Ensanche Caonabo). One wrote above "things have a way of developing negatively if not held in check" well this was "purposely " never managed til NOW!