Santo Domingo.– Dominican president Leonel Fernandez could secure another term in office in an upcoming election, according to a poll by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research published in Diario Libre. 47 per cent of respondents would back Fernandez of the Dominican Liberation Party (PLD) in the May ballot.
Opposition candidate Miguel Vargas Maldonado of the Dominican Revolutionary Party (PRD) is second with 34 per cent, followed by Amable Aristy Castro of the Social Christian Reformist Party (PRSC) with 10 per cent, Eduardo Estrella of the Fourth Way (LCV) with two per cent, and Pedro Candelier of the Popular Alliance Party (PAP) with one per cent.
In the May 2004 presidential election, Fernandez received 57.11 per cent of the vote, defeating incumbent Hipólito Mejía of the PRD and Estrella of the PRSC. Fernández had previously served as the Dominican Republic’s head of state from 1996 to 2000.
One of Fernandez’s staple projects has been the construction of a subway in Santo Domingo. According to official figures, the project will cost a total $710 million U.S. –over two per cent of the country’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP). The president has faced criticism for spending so much on the project, instead of dealing with other pressing issues. He has defended the subway as a necessity for the country’s capital.
On Feb. 13, Fernandez and members of his cabinet took a test ride in the new subway. The president said afterwards that the trip was "formidable" and assured the subway will be functioning in time for Dominican Independence Day on Feb. 27.
The next presidential election is scheduled for May 16.
Polling Data
Who would you vote for in the next presidential election?
Leonel Fernandez (PLD) 47%
Miguel Vargas Maldonado (PRD) 34%
Amable Aristy Castro (PRSC) 10%
Eduardo Estrella (LCV) 2%
Pedro Candelier (PAP) 1%
Source: Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research / Diario Libre
Methodology: Interviews with 1,200 Dominican adults, conducted from Jan. 28 to Feb. 3, 2008. Margin of error is 2.8 per cent.
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
the figure of 710 million US$ in my opinion is low for this project but I hope that I am suprised...I have my fingers crossed...let us hope this does not turn into the big dig{boston disaster}
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
if Leonel pulls it off he deserves to be elected again
Written by: BASTA, 17 Feb 2008 12:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic, SPM
One lie - I will cut the Gov. payroll-- Fact The gov. payroll has increased 38 % "fernandez"
and on and on with his lies. Fact-- This is a failed President "UN"
Written by: Leandro, 17 Feb 2008 12:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic
YOU ARE, so silly. all what he follower are diong is just takinga his last money out the packer of this monster, then after that. remember whien you votel no body sees it, i have tree person whom are involve very deep in politic and what they are doing is going on the street with leoner flag and taking his money with the mind of voting for PRD. stop living on the fair land, there is no more change for the government.
Written by: Belial, 17 Feb 2008 1:05 PM
From: United States, Texas
President Eduardo Duhalde (Argentina)
Australian Labour Party
Chancellor Alfred Gusenbauer (Austria)
Mayor Michael Häupl (Vienna, Austria)
SPÖ (Austria)
President Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada (Bolivia)
MNR (Bolivia)
Minister Emma Mejia (Colombia)
PRD (Dominican Republic)
Chancellor Gerhard Schröder (Germany)
SPD (Germany)
President Carlos Roberto Flores Facusse (Honduras)
President Manuel Zelaya (Honduras)
PLH (Honduras)
http://www.greenbergresearch.com/index.php?ID=1090000
The above are some of the former clients of Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research which did the poll.
Clearly, Greenberg is a moderate to reactionary outfit, but Greenberg may be slightly more honest than Gallup.
Greenberg appears to have more ties with the US Democrats than with the rotten GOPs, but its long client list boasts hard-core reactionaries, too
Written by: Leandro, 17 Feb 2008 1:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic
belia that was a good sketched of how those country are going to look on the futere to come lol. well done.
Written by: Belial, 17 Feb 2008 2:28 PM
From: United States, Texas
After taking a closer look at the pollster, Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Resear, that did the poll, I now believe I tragically pinned the wrong ideological and political label on the firm.
You will recall that I labeled the abused firm as moderate to reactionary.
I happily take this back.
Now, I label it as moderate to liberal.
Naturally, the firm is solidly bourgeois.
As for the presence of certain reactionary corporations and individuals of the firm's long client list, I now believe that this reactionary infestation reflects a lamentable greed for fees and other compensation rather than the ideological and political point of view that prevails at the firm.
My apology is abject and my anguish over my mistake in labelling is limitless.
Written by: josean, 17 Feb 2008 4:17 PM
From: United States
Senator Dodd speaks fluent Spanish and was a "Peace" Corp volunteer in DR during the early 60s.
From: United States
New to Me, but now we can tie all the links together...... He was visiting DR recently for a HOMELAND SECURITY meeting down there ????? His US Senate Track record its very sickening !!!! Every time Lion-el visit Washington D.C, Dobbs stops by to say, Hello !!!!
Scratching my Head here !!!!!!!!!!
Written by: josean, 17 Feb 2008 4:49 PM
From: United States
From: United States
If 710 M use for the Metro, why others project don't get resources, taking in consideration that DR US$ GDP runs around US$30 B.
DR's Numbers, uhmmm ???
LOL
From: United States
Does anyone know or can lead me to the right place, where i can find the actual size of the economy. 710 million being 2% of the economy is incompatable with the world factbook data of 22.55.
Written by: Belial, 17 Feb 2008 5:42 PM
From: United States, Texas
Stan Greenberg
A political scientist who received his Bachelor's Degree from Miami University and his Ph.D. from Harvard, Greenberg spent a decade teaching at Yale University before becoming a political consultant. His 1985 study of Reagan Democrats in Macomb County, Michigan became a classic of progressive political strategy, and the basis for his continuing argument that Democrats must actively work to present themselves as populists advocating the expansion of opportunity for the middle class. As the pollster for Clinton in 1992, Greenberg was a major figure in the famed campaign "war room" (and hence the documentary film of the same name).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Greenberg0000
This guy sounds like one them flaming liberals. He must be very good at his job if them reactionaries also seek him out.
In the DR, It appears he switched from the PRD to of late the PLD as a client.
I wonder what he charges for a presidential poll ... probably about $300,000.
Written by: Euromax 
, 17 Feb 2008 5:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bonao, provincia M.N
Leonel Fernandez (PLD) 47% Yea!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
Miguel Vargas Maldonado (PRD) 34% Sucks!!!!!! :0
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This are the minds of smart Dominican people, just like me :D
Written by: Belial, 17 Feb 2008 5:47 PM
From: United States, Texas
Is Leonel a closet liberal? He outwardly cultivates an image and demeanor of a neo-liberal who worships the marketplace as the governor of all things.
We must pin the right ideological and political label on him; otherwise, the exercise of pinning label on people will cease to give us pleasure.
Written by: Euromax , 17 Feb 2008 6:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bonao, provincia M.N
People, lest make some economic calculations and i hope, some one that has the possibilities
and power in there hand to inform the Dominican people, can show this...!!!!
China's GDP - per capita is: $5,300
Chinas's Population below poverty line: 8%
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Dominican Rep's GDP - per capita is: $9,200
Dominican Rep's below poverty line: 42.2% & GDP per year is $22.54 billion
than why the hell, is theres so much non-sense conflicts and poverty!
i dont think that theres a reason for this, the politicians are the ones that have made the country
a 3rd world country, and a bet you if everybody worked together since the beggining and be more
efficient, smart, nothing of this crap will happen.... just copy Costa Rica & Chile , thats a good
example of pregress!!!
Written by: Euromax , 17 Feb 2008 6:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bonao, provincia M.N
Theres enought imcome in this country to stop poverty at least to less than 8% to make more jobs, invest in countries like China, Europe and USA... to repair or the freking roads, to deport all the Haitians and biuld a Huge freaking wall, to make Schools awsome and a lot of more important things.!!!
Written by: TFISKE, 17 Feb 2008 6:12 PM
From: Canada
From: United Kingdom
Chinas(stocks) bubble is about to pop that’s just going to further depress consumer confidence in worldwide financial markets, tough times are a head .
Written by: BASTA, 17 Feb 2008 7:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic, SPM
There is more to this closet business with leon
Written by: TFISKE, 17 Feb 2008 7:40 PM
From: Canada
gouletcolonial
Hey oldman! I love presidente.its a tasty pilsner . a cardboard condo whatever!!!
www.laestanciagolfresort.com
nice place.. believe what ya want old man!
If I was a saleman this would be a good project!
close to casa and la romana
plus the new highway is going to punta cana someday..
your old and skeptical and living in the past old man
Written by: Belial, 17 Feb 2008 8:55 PM
From: United States, Texas
GDP per capita is a funny number that deliberately distorts reality, by dividing national income by the population.
Under capitalism, a large chunk of the national income goes exclusively to the bourgeoisie, both local and foreign. This chunk of the national income set aside for the bourgeoisie should not be included in the division because it exaggerates the amount of income that appears to go into the pckets of the population.
Take the bourgeois chunk out and then divide the remainder by the population.
The result is a number that approximates reality significantly better than the tricky procedure so popular in bourgeois economics.
Now, let's look at the concrete side of the GDP.
CON'T
Written by: Belial, 17 Feb 2008 8:58 PM
From: United States, Texas
CON'T
Because DR and Cuba have populations of similar sizes -- 9 and 11 million respectively -- and other similarities, the questionable CIA data on the DR and Cuba give a revealing comparison.
According to the CIA, Cuba had a 2007 GDP of $51 billion and a per capita GDP of $4,500 with a poverty rate of "NA%."
https://www.cia.gov/library/publi....-world-factbook/geos/cu.html#EconThe DR had a 2007 GDP of $85 billion and per capita GDP of $9,200 with a poverty rate of 42%.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publi....-world-factbook/geos/dr.html#EconHow can a country with per capita GDP that is more than twice that of the other country enjoy, at the same time, such a commanding lead in poverty over the other?
In reality, the whole $51 billion of the Cuban GDP is divided among the 11 Cubans and almost nothing goes to the bourgeoisie which is entirely foreign. That's communism.
CON'T
Written by: Belial, 17 Feb 2008 9:00 PM
From: United States, Texas
But in reality, the greedy bourgeoisie, local and foreign, in the DR pockets at least $65 billion of the $85 billion GDP of the DR, leaving something like a paltry $20 billion ... or less ... for the 9 million Dominicans to cut up. That's capitalism.
Naturally, the $20 billion - or less - isn't enough for the 9 million Dominicans to wipe out poverty as in Cuba.
What does the CIA mean by "NA%" poverty in Cuba?
The CIA is talking about extreme poverty, that is, the near total lack of food, shelter, health care, and education.
None of this exists in Cuba; therefore, Cuba has "NA%" poverty or no poverty. Everybody has ration card that supplies them with highest caloric and protein daily intake in Latin America and Caribbean. Everybody has at least a room or part of one and often much more. Everybody has health care. Everybody has schools. So, Cuba has neither affluence nor poverty. That's a lot more than any other country in Latin America and the Caribbean can say.
CON'T
Written by: Belial, 17 Feb 2008 9:04 PM
From: United States, Texas
But in the DR with its great wealth, its million dollar plus homes and some of the finest restaurants in the world, almost 1 out of two Dominicans, 42%, lack food or shelter or hospitals or schools or all of the above, according to the CIA.
Reactionaries do not blame their rotten capitalist system for this tragedy. They usually blame an alleged congenital weakness that they find in the Dominican people, hinting at racial inferiority.
That racial composition of the DR and Cuba are very similar is something they choose to ignore.
THE END
From: United States
Euromax
China's GDP - per capita is: $5,300
Chinas's Population below poverty line: 8%
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Dominican Rep's GDP - per capita is: $9,200
Dominican Rep's below poverty line: 42.2% & GDP per year is $22.54 billion
Note: DR's numbers are taking on account "Narco-Laundry". Thats why hi GDP, perhaps I'm wrong.
From: United States
Mr. Belial, if your numbers are correct & true, DR its doing much better than the US GDP-per capita. How come the minimum wage at DR its RD$4,000.00.
From: United States
you are both wrong... I have followed the CIA world factbook since 1999, data changes irregularly all the time. Spain went from having a GDP per capital of 28,700 to 33,700 and the economy did not grew so big in the course of last year... I hightly doubt their figures now.
Also, according to DR tax data given on loans for intance the 710 million being 2% of the GDP makes the dominican economy stand a 35 biilion us dollars but the world fact book has different data of 85 miilion and 22.5 respectevely. GDP is calculated differently by every country and thus making it much harder to understand.
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
None of this exists in Cuba; therefore, Cuba has "NA%" poverty or no poverty. Everybody has ration card that supplies them with highest caloric and protein daily intake in Latin America and Caribbean. Everybody has at least a room or part of one and often much more. Everybody has health care. Everybody has schools. So, Cuba has neither affluence nor poverty. That's a lot more than any other country in Latin America and the Caribbean can say."......do you believe this? you would have to be out of your gord.....this guy actually is a school teacher disseminating this basura to someones children.....pretty soon C.C. the statues are coming down both the phony doctor and the beard
Written by: Leandro, 18 Feb 2008 1:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic
canada) i see .that in this weeking you having smoking to much dop, that is crazy what you just said about CUBA. please let move on, and you need to stop on living on the shadow. But, if you like the way that they are living in CUBA. go ahead move there, and and then you will know what is meand to live in a country like that. i thought you were more educate, right now you actting like a psycho.
Written by: TFISKE, 18 Feb 2008 1:17 PM
From: Canada
leandro,
well said
oldman gouletcolonial is so far out of touch its hilarious.. he dreams of cuba.. he should move there!
he is a senior they love hand outs and free crap! thats what its all about with this guy
some one can take care of him cheap in cuba, doctors are all over the place there with plenty of nurses to change him!
the guys living so far back in the day its sorta sad!
he has no women, he is french and lonely
Written by: Leandro, 18 Feb 2008 3:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic
hahahah i see you are going on the wrong direction with me. firstable i live with plainty of woman seconble i have money to do what i want and the last thing i have to tell you. is that the comment that you just make about me and cuba. i hate their system i think you need to understand better the comment before to answer back. bring up those stupid slung that you just used on me .
Written by: Belial, 18 Feb 2008 3:28 PM
From: United States, Texas
"you are both wrong... I have followed the CIA world factbook since 1999, data changes irregularly all the time. Spain went from having a GDP per capital of 28,700 to 33,700 and the economy did not grew so big in the course of last year... I hightly doubt their figures now. "
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Yes, I can't vouch for the reliability of the data published by the CIA.
It's just that I'm a little put off by the frequent criticism that I rely exclusively on data from my splendid, solid, and sound Marxist-Leninist sources.
I believed it would be fun to cite ... for a change ... information from the CIA, with link provided, and then listen to the mob of reactionary crackpots argue that the CIA is also a "splendid, solid, and sound Marxist-Leninist source" of information because the conclusion that necessarily follows from the CIA data is that socialism outperforms capitalism in Latin America and the Caribbean.
I know well that dishonest people will never embrace this conclusion.
From: United States
Leandro (?)
Written by: Belial, 18 Feb 2008 3:30 PM
From: United States, Texas
As for those kind souls who suggest that I should move to Cuba, I sincerely hope they know where they can go if they are not there already.
Written by: Leandro, 18 Feb 2008 3:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic
NOT MAN I'M NOT WITH YOU
Written by: Belial, 18 Feb 2008 3:38 PM
From: United States, Texas
Lamentably, some of my esteemed critics inadvertently aim their spleen at my enemies, perhaps assuming that my enemies have adopted truth as an outlook.
There is no possibility that this adoption will ever occur with my enemies. If it did occur, I would grieve.
I demand an apology from my misdirected critics to my enemies for the injustice done.
From: United States
There is something between "Liberal Capitalsm and Communism" as wells as "The Jungle and Dictatorship".
Who Can Answer ??
Written by: Belial, 18 Feb 2008 3:41 PM
From: United States, Texas
"There is something between "Liberal Capitalsm and Communism" as wells as "The Jungle and Dictatorship".
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Yes, "something" is a splendid thing, but unfortunately it doesn't keep very well.
Written by: Leandro, 18 Feb 2008 3:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic
listen you guys, the reason why i had join this wed was to comment about thing that are important for us, no looking for wrowg thought o mistaking while we writing. i love my dr. i have nothing to say about cuba, cuba is the last thing in my mind i really dont care what happen in cuba. i care what happen in dr. when i go in vacation that is the place that i had enjoyed the most no matter where i go the best place for me will be dr .is no mistake if i had offended any one of you. they are minghtbe a miss understanding between us ok peace we are for the fun.
From: United States
Come ON, Bellial. !!!!
"RULE OF LAW"
Written by: Belial, 18 Feb 2008 3:53 PM
From: United States, Texas
"How come the minimum wage at DR its RD$4,000.00."
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For the humans who are trafficked, bought and sold and subjected to forced labor [and many others] ... as the First Lady of the Dominican Republic and as the 2007 Report on Human Trafficking of the US State Department allege ... it isn't.
Written by: Belial, 18 Feb 2008 3:58 PM
From: United States, Texas
Come ON, Bellial. !!!!
"RULE OF LAW"
oooo
Aristotle, the ancient one, says either law or man rules society.
I much prefer law over man. especially bourgeois creatures or critters.
Written by: tomito, 18 Feb 2008 4:08 PM
From: United States
i cannot believe how many are here that don't now what "na" means.
poverty rate : na simply means (not available), this is due to the back that fidel's government does not want you to know. remember :na (not available, meaning that they simply don't have the data). it does not mean zero poverty.
From: United States
I believe DR minimum wages combined with the actual US dollar exchange rate, its killing the vast majority of working Dominicans.!!!!!
This is the only reason, GDP and Per capita", look very favorable on sums eyes combined with this DR "Economical Growth".
That’s why my rejection to this actual DR Adm., there’s two type of leaders, one that “govern for their countryman” and the other type of leader that “govern the countryman“.
Every Country now and then, always get to choose their "Fate".
Note: "Countries had the Presidents they deserved", as we heard in the past>
Written by: Belial, 18 Feb 2008 4:24 PM
From: United States, Texas
"NA SIMPLY MEANS (NOT AVAILABLE), "
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Be a sport and not put the omniscient CIA down.
"NA" doesn't mean not available. It means not available to you because it distresses the Agency.
Written by: Belial, 18 Feb 2008 4:38 PM
From: United States, Texas
"I believe DR minimum wages combined with the actual US dollar exchange rate, its killing the vast majority of working Dominicans.!!!!!"
oooo
Common ground there.
With a 42 percent poverty rate and extreme poverty at that, the IMF, World Bank, IADB, and the Paris Club believe that far too much of the $85 billion national income of the DR is squandered on the wages of the vast majority of working Dominicans and on a few paltry social programs in lieu of wages.
These ravenous international financial institutions of imperialism demand that more of the DR national income go to the payment of interest, dividends, executive salaries, and rents, the main sources of bourgeois income.
[Here's a link on the Paris Club before which the mass of the DR bourgeoisie grovel like dogs after they complete their tap dance performance.]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_ClubWritten by: Belial, 18 Feb 2008 4:44 PM
From: United States, Texas
In the name of the Nazarene who came back from the dead, I give thanks to Dominican Today which today sent me 100 emails.
From: United States
Who is the Commander and Chief at DR’s shores !!!!!!!!!!!
According to tha “Constitution”.
Written by: Belial, 18 Feb 2008 4:52 PM
From: United States, Texas
Who is the Commander and Chief at DR’s shores !!!!!!!!!!!
According to tha “Constitution”.
oooo
Bob Hope.
Written by: tomito, 18 Feb 2008 4:57 PM
From: United States
to belial, again i'm not trying to put the cia down, but most people in the us know na is short for "not available", if they wanted to put "zero" "0%", they would have simply done so, don't try to mislead people here...please don't twist the cia reports.
From: United States
Aristotle, the ancient one, says either law or man rules society.
I much prefer law over man. especially bourgeois creatures or critters
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Thats my point, "Everything comes down to that word "Law". Everything else is BS. !!!!
If applied as "Mother Nature", life would be wonderful..
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
CC you did it again wonderful humor at last....but this would be so much more effective if you used a little hand puppet.....also more amusing still....by hand puppet I dont mean your romantic interest thats private....but this is very funny stuff your posting C.C./belial/dag/whoeve
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
talking to your self ....get a life little hand puppet
From: United States
Gouli, you have to take a front, unless you want to keep shooting at everyone, we do have some common grounds here, can you embrace at least that !!!! You should know your enemies by now, remember the wise say, "The enemy of my enemy its my friend".
From: United States
talking to your self ....get a life little hand puppet
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LOL
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
It is possible we are witnessing the death rattle of the Castro era....great prosperity lies ahead for Cuba......Just as with the death of Francisco Franco the phalangist in Espana ushered in great growth economically and culturally there....let us close the door on this ugly interlude as soon as possible ...at which point beli baton will have to move to north korea and eat grass...with the hand puppet C,C, and all his raggedy propoganda....Adios it wont be long take the tin horn from la Romana with you
Written by: TFISKE, 18 Feb 2008 9:51 PM
From: Canada
SORRY!
Let me translate Gouletcolonials BS..
Fidel is dieing... wow thats amazing news!! .A little magic man will make it all better in Cuba soon
So anyone with money invested in the DR is screwed..sell all and run from the DR .. Cuba is the place! this guys a true idiot!
I do agree CASTRO will die! ..I am part genius on this.. I think he is sick!!!!
Who believes Cuba is going to boom in the next 5 yrs mmm.. how about 20yrs
Oldman you will be dead stop dreaming
Damn fine drugs they serve at the seniors home eh!
From: United States, Long island, NY
Perception: good job trying to be a "Psycologist" , buddy stay focus on your agenda which is twisting and making things up.
I know better about this issue, You have a "self Steem class personality problem" so calm down and analyze yourself.
From: United States
I know better about this issue, You have a "self Steem class personality problem "Psycologist
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No Comments !!!!
Written by: TFISKE, 19 Feb 2008 1:07 AM
From: Canada
Gouletcolonials BS..
Fidel is dieing... wow thats amazing news!! .A little magic man will make it all better in Cuba soon
anyone with money invested in the DR is screwed..sell all and run from the DR .. Cuba is the place! this guys a true idiot!
I do agree fidel will die! ..I am part genius on this.. I think he is sick!!!! actually I respect Castro!
Raisan man believes Cuba is going to boom in the next 5 yrs mmm.. how about 20yrs
Oldman you will be dead stop dreaming
Damn fine drugs they serve at the seniors home eh!
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
if Leonel does not hit an iceberg......the metro if it works 60%.....and the Samana highway.....hurry up and open that sucker.....should be more than enough to put Leonel over again.....Just keep those tax dollars coming and he will survive...unless he kills goose with same taxes
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
no body wants the other Ali babba and his 40 thieves the 39 we have are plenty
Written by: TFISKE, 19 Feb 2008 2:05 AM
From: Canada
gouletcolonial,
That was pretty positive!
new highways create jobs and develop new areas,
The metro will be good in the end!
port renos, cap cana ,roco ki, la estancia, four seasons,ritz carlton, new airline ..new casino's
this all adds jobs
I hope things continue
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
I can see it now Guantanamo turned into Casa de CAMPO 2 the Fanjuls could do that pretty quick......just kidding.....dont cry.....it wont be like Puerto Rico you wont need a green card to caddy there
From: Dominican Republic
To paraphrase the Great Winston Churchill, "Never have I read so much that meant so little by so few".
Statistics never lie. It depends on who uses them and how.
The way all of you are using statistics indicates to me that YOU REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE CITING.
Belial, when will you expand your vocabulary andquit plagarizing Marx, Lenin and Hegel???
Also, when you cite someone else's comments, PUT THE REMARK IN QUOTES. That way we will know who is speaking. you are so "tunnel vision" educated" I don't think you really know what you are talking about. You use other people's words because they look and sound good.
Too Bad, so sad, you're all MAD.
TB
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
the inmates have taken over the asylum ...".but today is the end of the begining" I dont know who said it........ but it will be said a million times today....how do you like them apples billy boy....come on say something about the beard I know you are itching
Written by: Belial, 19 Feb 2008 2:07 PM
From: United States, Texas
"Belial, when will you expand your vocabulary andquit plagarizing Marx, Lenin and Hegel???"
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You left out Engels and Lukacs.
Do you believe your question is three times more profound because you used three question marks?
????????????????????????????
If so, you can again double its profundity by adding six question marks instead of only three.
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
come 0n your losing your edge,snap out of it....there will always be north korea....maybe Hugo will find a space for you in his parking lot....dont go to that place where you know who went after he commited hari kari....oblivion
Written by: Belial, 19 Feb 2008 3:20 PM
From: United States, Texas
"come 0n your losing your edge,snap out of it....there will always be north korea....maybe Hugo will find a space for you in his parking lot....dont go to that place where you know who went after he commited hari kari....oblivion"
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Your delirium signifies that you have administered too many hand jobs to yourself today.
Why don't you turn the motor off?
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
the censors did not understand the meaning of your previous post or you would be taken away for indoctrination.....no profanity...or it will be a flogging for you
Written by: Belial, 19 Feb 2008 10:13 PM
From: United States, Texas
"the censors did not understand the meaning of your previous post or you would be taken away for indoctrination.....no profanity...or it will be a flogging for you"
oooo
I see you understood.
But, really, I strove to be politely ambiguous.
I believe the censor perfectly understood too; but since you were the object of my ambiguous comment, the censor encouraged me.
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
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and on and on with his lies. Fact-- This is a failed President "UN"
Australian Labour Party
Chancellor Alfred Gusenbauer (Austria)
Mayor Michael Häupl (Vienna, Austria)
SPÖ (Austria)
President Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada (Bolivia)
MNR (Bolivia)
Minister Emma Mejia (Colombia)
PRD (Dominican Republic)
Chancellor Gerhard Schröder (Germany)
SPD (Germany)
President Carlos Roberto Flores Facusse (Honduras)
President Manuel Zelaya (Honduras)
PLH (Honduras)
http://www.greenbergresearch.com/index.php?ID=109
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The above are some of the former clients of Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research which did the poll.
Clearly, Greenberg is a moderate to reactionary outfit, but Greenberg may be slightly more honest than Gallup.
Greenberg appears to have more ties with the US Democrats than with the rotten GOPs, but its long client list boasts hard-core reactionaries, too
You will recall that I labeled the abused firm as moderate to reactionary.
I happily take this back.
Now, I label it as moderate to liberal.
Naturally, the firm is solidly bourgeois.
As for the presence of certain reactionary corporations and individuals of the firm's long client list, I now believe that this reactionary infestation reflects a lamentable greed for fees and other compensation rather than the ideological and political point of view that prevails at the firm.
My apology is abject and my anguish over my mistake in labelling is limitless.
* Rep. Rosa DeLauro: DeLauro is a longtime Sen. Dodd ally, serving as the senator's chief of staff for much of the 1980s before being elected to Congress in 1990. She is married to Stan "Greenberg" and will be one of the national co-chairs of the Dodd candidacy. http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/01/dodd_inner_circle.html
Not a very Reputable Polling Firm, represents Democrats at US.
Wasn't Sen. Dodd visiting DR's in resent months. LOL
Scratching my Head here !!!!!!!!!!
Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dodd
DR's Numbers, uhmmm ???
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Does anyone know or can lead me to the right place, where i can find the actual size of the economy. 710 million being 2% of the economy is incompatable with the world factbook data of 22.55.
A political scientist who received his Bachelor's Degree from Miami University and his Ph.D. from Harvard, Greenberg spent a decade teaching at Yale University before becoming a political consultant. His 1985 study of Reagan Democrats in Macomb County, Michigan became a classic of progressive political strategy, and the basis for his continuing argument that Democrats must actively work to present themselves as populists advocating the expansion of opportunity for the middle class. As the pollster for Clinton in 1992, Greenberg was a major figure in the famed campaign "war room" (and hence the documentary film of the same name).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Greenberg
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This guy sounds like one them flaming liberals. He must be very good at his job if them reactionaries also seek him out.
In the DR, It appears he switched from the PRD to of late the PLD as a client.
I wonder what he charges for a presidential poll ... probably about $300,000.
Miguel Vargas Maldonado (PRD) 34% Sucks!!!!!! :0
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This are the minds of smart Dominican people, just like me :D
We must pin the right ideological and political label on him; otherwise, the exercise of pinning label on people will cease to give us pleasure.
and power in there hand to inform the Dominican people, can show this...!!!!
China's GDP - per capita is: $5,300
Chinas's Population below poverty line: 8%
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Dominican Rep's GDP - per capita is: $9,200
Dominican Rep's below poverty line: 42.2% & GDP per year is $22.54 billion
than why the hell, is theres so much non-sense conflicts and poverty!
i dont think that theres a reason for this, the politicians are the ones that have made the country
a 3rd world country, and a bet you if everybody worked together since the beggining and be more
efficient, smart, nothing of this crap will happen.... just copy Costa Rica & Chile , thats a good
example of pregress!!!
This is what happens with bad goverment
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200802...._ylt=AkijMWzahRP_Et0ZpJGWwK2yBhIF
even the USA has squatters,
things could be worse in the DR!
Hey oldman! I love presidente.its a tasty pilsner . a cardboard condo whatever!!!
www.laestanciagolfresort.com
nice place.. believe what ya want old man!
If I was a saleman this would be a good project!
close to casa and la romana
plus the new highway is going to punta cana someday..
your old and skeptical and living in the past old man
Under capitalism, a large chunk of the national income goes exclusively to the bourgeoisie, both local and foreign. This chunk of the national income set aside for the bourgeoisie should not be included in the division because it exaggerates the amount of income that appears to go into the pckets of the population.
Take the bourgeois chunk out and then divide the remainder by the population.
The result is a number that approximates reality significantly better than the tricky procedure so popular in bourgeois economics.
Now, let's look at the concrete side of the GDP.
CON'T
Because DR and Cuba have populations of similar sizes -- 9 and 11 million respectively -- and other similarities, the questionable CIA data on the DR and Cuba give a revealing comparison.
According to the CIA, Cuba had a 2007 GDP of $51 billion and a per capita GDP of $4,500 with a poverty rate of "NA%."
https://www.cia.gov/library/publi....-world-factbook/geos/cu.html#Econ
The DR had a 2007 GDP of $85 billion and per capita GDP of $9,200 with a poverty rate of 42%.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publi....-world-factbook/geos/dr.html#Econ
How can a country with per capita GDP that is more than twice that of the other country enjoy, at the same time, such a commanding lead in poverty over the other?
In reality, the whole $51 billion of the Cuban GDP is divided among the 11 Cubans and almost nothing goes to the bourgeoisie which is entirely foreign. That's communism.
CON'T
Naturally, the $20 billion - or less - isn't enough for the 9 million Dominicans to wipe out poverty as in Cuba.
What does the CIA mean by "NA%" poverty in Cuba?
The CIA is talking about extreme poverty, that is, the near total lack of food, shelter, health care, and education.
None of this exists in Cuba; therefore, Cuba has "NA%" poverty or no poverty. Everybody has ration card that supplies them with highest caloric and protein daily intake in Latin America and Caribbean. Everybody has at least a room or part of one and often much more. Everybody has health care. Everybody has schools. So, Cuba has neither affluence nor poverty. That's a lot more than any other country in Latin America and the Caribbean can say.
CON'T
Reactionaries do not blame their rotten capitalist system for this tragedy. They usually blame an alleged congenital weakness that they find in the Dominican people, hinting at racial inferiority.
That racial composition of the DR and Cuba are very similar is something they choose to ignore.
THE END
China's GDP - per capita is: $5,300
Chinas's Population below poverty line: 8%
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Dominican Rep's GDP - per capita is: $9,200
Dominican Rep's below poverty line: 42.2% & GDP per year is $22.54 billion
Note: DR's numbers are taking on account "Narco-Laundry". Thats why hi GDP, perhaps I'm wrong.
Also, according to DR tax data given on loans for intance the 710 million being 2% of the GDP makes the dominican economy stand a 35 biilion us dollars but the world fact book has different data of 85 miilion and 22.5 respectevely. GDP is calculated differently by every country and thus making it much harder to understand.
None of this exists in Cuba; therefore, Cuba has "NA%" poverty or no poverty. Everybody has ration card that supplies them with highest caloric and protein daily intake in Latin America and Caribbean. Everybody has at least a room or part of one and often much more. Everybody has health care. Everybody has schools. So, Cuba has neither affluence nor poverty. That's a lot more than any other country in Latin America and the Caribbean can say."......do you believe this? you would have to be out of your gord.....this guy actually is a school teacher disseminating this basura to someones children.....pretty soon C.C. the statues are coming down both the phony doctor and the beard
well said
oldman gouletcolonial is so far out of touch its hilarious.. he dreams of cuba.. he should move there!
he is a senior they love hand outs and free crap! thats what its all about with this guy
some one can take care of him cheap in cuba, doctors are all over the place there with plenty of nurses to change him!
the guys living so far back in the day its sorta sad!
he has no women, he is french and lonely
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Yes, I can't vouch for the reliability of the data published by the CIA.
It's just that I'm a little put off by the frequent criticism that I rely exclusively on data from my splendid, solid, and sound Marxist-Leninist sources.
I believed it would be fun to cite ... for a change ... information from the CIA, with link provided, and then listen to the mob of reactionary crackpots argue that the CIA is also a "splendid, solid, and sound Marxist-Leninist source" of information because the conclusion that necessarily follows from the CIA data is that socialism outperforms capitalism in Latin America and the Caribbean.
I know well that dishonest people will never embrace this conclusion.
There is no possibility that this adoption will ever occur with my enemies. If it did occur, I would grieve.
I demand an apology from my misdirected critics to my enemies for the injustice done.
Who Can Answer ??
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Yes, "something" is a splendid thing, but unfortunately it doesn't keep very well.
"RULE OF LAW"
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For the humans who are trafficked, bought and sold and subjected to forced labor [and many others] ... as the First Lady of the Dominican Republic and as the 2007 Report on Human Trafficking of the US State Department allege ... it isn't.
"RULE OF LAW"
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Aristotle, the ancient one, says either law or man rules society.
I much prefer law over man. especially bourgeois creatures or critters.
poverty rate : na simply means (not available), this is due to the back that fidel's government does not want you to know. remember :na (not available, meaning that they simply don't have the data). it does not mean zero poverty.
This is the only reason, GDP and Per capita", look very favorable on sums eyes combined with this DR "Economical Growth".
That’s why my rejection to this actual DR Adm., there’s two type of leaders, one that “govern for their countryman” and the other type of leader that “govern the countryman“.
Every Country now and then, always get to choose their "Fate".
Note: "Countries had the Presidents they deserved", as we heard in the past>
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Be a sport and not put the omniscient CIA down.
"NA" doesn't mean not available. It means not available to you because it distresses the Agency.
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Common ground there.
With a 42 percent poverty rate and extreme poverty at that, the IMF, World Bank, IADB, and the Paris Club believe that far too much of the $85 billion national income of the DR is squandered on the wages of the vast majority of working Dominicans and on a few paltry social programs in lieu of wages.
These ravenous international financial institutions of imperialism demand that more of the DR national income go to the payment of interest, dividends, executive salaries, and rents, the main sources of bourgeois income.
[Here's a link on the Paris Club before which the mass of the DR bourgeoisie grovel like dogs after they complete their tap dance performance.]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Club
According to tha “Constitution”.
According to tha “Constitution”.
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Bob Hope.
I much prefer law over man. especially bourgeois creatures or critters
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Thats my point, "Everything comes down to that word "Law". Everything else is BS. !!!!
If applied as "Mother Nature", life would be wonderful..
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LOL
Let me translate Gouletcolonials BS..
Fidel is dieing... wow thats amazing news!! .A little magic man will make it all better in Cuba soon
So anyone with money invested in the DR is screwed..sell all and run from the DR .. Cuba is the place! this guys a true idiot!
I do agree CASTRO will die! ..I am part genius on this.. I think he is sick!!!!
Who believes Cuba is going to boom in the next 5 yrs mmm.. how about 20yrs
Oldman you will be dead stop dreaming
Damn fine drugs they serve at the seniors home eh!
I know better about this issue, You have a "self Steem class personality problem" so calm down and analyze yourself.
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Fidel is dieing... wow thats amazing news!! .A little magic man will make it all better in Cuba soon
anyone with money invested in the DR is screwed..sell all and run from the DR .. Cuba is the place! this guys a true idiot!
I do agree fidel will die! ..I am part genius on this.. I think he is sick!!!! actually I respect Castro!
Raisan man believes Cuba is going to boom in the next 5 yrs mmm.. how about 20yrs
Oldman you will be dead stop dreaming
Damn fine drugs they serve at the seniors home eh!
That was pretty positive!
new highways create jobs and develop new areas,
The metro will be good in the end!
port renos, cap cana ,roco ki, la estancia, four seasons,ritz carlton, new airline ..new casino's
this all adds jobs
I hope things continue
Statistics never lie. It depends on who uses them and how.
The way all of you are using statistics indicates to me that YOU REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE CITING.
Belial, when will you expand your vocabulary andquit plagarizing Marx, Lenin and Hegel???
Also, when you cite someone else's comments, PUT THE REMARK IN QUOTES. That way we will know who is speaking. you are so "tunnel vision" educated" I don't think you really know what you are talking about. You use other people's words because they look and sound good.
Too Bad, so sad, you're all MAD.
TB
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You left out Engels and Lukacs.
Do you believe your question is three times more profound because you used three question marks?
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If so, you can again double its profundity by adding six question marks instead of only three.
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Your delirium signifies that you have administered too many hand jobs to yourself today.
Why don't you turn the motor off?
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I see you understood.
But, really, I strove to be politely ambiguous.
I believe the censor perfectly understood too; but since you were the object of my ambiguous comment, the censor encouraged me.