Written by: ny4life, 9 Feb 2008 12:32 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
I support this project. Naysayers are going to say that it's not priority. However, it's needed for all inhibitants of santo domingo. This allows for a safe, convenient, healthy, and more environmentally friendly way to travel. Leonel concept is to bring DR up to speed with modern projects so Dominicans can adapt to them. Like bringing computers to the poor, who people say can't read but this technology will help as a learning tool along the way so they can learn to read, write, and be up to date with the world of technology. It's a different approach but I think it will pay dividends in the end.
Written by: TFISKE 
, 9 Feb 2008 1:28 PM
From: Canada, Alberta
well said!
From: United States
here i go again, flogging a dead horse. but i cannot help myself when people describe the metro as a priority in a country which has an abysmally low level of general education, poor electricity delivery, a virtually non-existent public health sector and poor housing. i do not know what ny4life means when he says that the metro is needed for all inhabitants of santo domingo, since ,as i have tried to explain to anyone who will listen, it is irrelevant to the population that lives outside a half mile radius of the designated stops. maybe i am misinterpreting him, but he somehow seems to be attempting to draw a parallel between the metro and the computer: in his mind, they are both technological advances, and, since the computer will have positive effect, so should the metro. this is a very horizontal analysis at best: atomic bombs are at the cutting edge of technology, but i dont think we need one!
From: Dominican Republic
"In January authorities earmarked almost $27 million to the 106 million already consumed by the controversial project." Surely to God you mean 106 million already consumed in January alone and not for the project to date. I think the cars alone were much more than that. As for this Pharaoh's monument to Leonel, we are stuck with it like it or not. Time will tell the wisdom or the folly of this undertaking. There are too many unfinished projects in this country; we cannot now afford not to finish this. The waste would be too great. Let's face it we are part of a family who is barely making ends meet and dad just brought home a Mercedes so the kids can be driven to the colmado to buy a couple of plantains and eggs. To boot he mortgaged the casita to the hilt and promised the oldest sister to the loan shark as security for the loan. This is our dysfunctional family. It's all in the image we portray. That Mercedes really looks good next to the burro.
From: United States
to juansantodomingo: fantastic piece, my friend. and guess what? in leonel's mind, he has the mercedes and the other caribbean islands have the burro. it is all a dog and pony show, in which leonel is trying to show the world that the DR is the most advanced country in the region, because it has a metro. well so does San Juan, and look where it got them! the poor thing is barely enjoying a ridership of 25,000 per day! the elephant which labored to bring forth a mouse.
Written by: josean, 9 Feb 2008 2:34 PM
From: United States
Juansantodomingo, on point!
dreadlocks,
Do not give them any ideas, the next METRO will be atomic powered.
Written by: jmzlp12, 9 Feb 2008 2:39 PM
From: United States, Larchmont
I think that the metro is a good investment; however I don’t think its priority. The problem with the metro is that Fernandez wants to finish this ASAP so he is investing lots of $$$ into it, all so that it will be completed before the elections. Other projects, such as the highways, are constantly being stopped because of $$ problems. I think that the DR needs a railway system, but I don’t think that they should be top priority. Like dreadlocks said, education, electricity delivery, crime, public health housing is top priority + if the DR had better streets and they actually organized transportation, that would save lots of gas and oil. Seriously have you been in the Charles when it rains? It’s a freaking river!!
From: United States
jmzlp12, the reason why projects are stopped in the DR is not because they run out of money. it is because of the way politices is configured. the pld is an urban based party, the prd is rural. so, if the prd starts a project in navarette, and they lose the election before the project is finished, the pld will simply abandon it and start something in the capital. it is called" playing to your audience"
Written by: joop2, 9 Feb 2008 5:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic, San Pedro de Macoris
After all the DR resources are misused for finishing 1 collapsing track in time, failing generators, stolen electricity equipment it will end like:
The Metros first ride is a GO !!
Haitians pushing the first cars, with the members of the PLD, through the tunnels for food.
Ly-on has to admit that this is a cheaper form of powering the metro.
READ THIS AS A JOKE !!! except from the political part !!!!
Written by: juanb, 9 Feb 2008 5:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic
The important thing is to think beyond the metro. This is being built regardless of complaints and hopefully the supporters of this project will be proven correct. Right or wrong however it is a reality. I would hope that having pushed through this costly "solution" for the transport problem in the capital that the next billions will be spent more wisely. My first two suggestions would be; education and infrastructure
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
I think the san juan metro is subsidized to the tune of 1.75$ per passenger.per trip...But it is a far different overall situation......no moterbikes,and no 1973 toyotas with 6 people in it serving as Rapid Transit...however I do not agree with S.D. metro because this thing only serves and benefits 13 % of the population,,,,and cost overruns will be enormous,and this money should have been spent on the power grid.....the silver lining will be if Leonel uses it to break the sindicatos....education needs more also.....Cut the military....and end political patronage
From: United States
I do support inexplicably and unconditionally DR’s metro, ~~~because according to some will serve 13% of the population, others say modern projects will help Dominicans to adapt like bringing computer to the poor, also because its a "solution" for the transport problem in the capital. I’m scratching my head here trying to find some more reasons for my approval.
Sorry, for my English “Humor”.
PLD SLOGAN " No ense~emos a nadie a ser leonel, Presidente "
Note: Juan “Santo Domingo” and dreadlock, well native adaptation of your pieces.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
the jury is out
From: United States, Washington, D.C.
As I always say to my people here, it's not what LF does, it's how he does it. No debate, not transparency, no procurement processes. The Metro could be the best thing since Apple pie - like the tunnels and elevados - but the lack of debate and transparency indicate a level of arrogance and desdain by LF to democracy and the dominican people. This "daddy knows best" along with the centralization of power and the lack of institutions to "curb" LF's actions, is what has allowed this and so many other projects to spin out of control (budget wise).
If only someone would fund an "in-depth", academic study on the procurement and decision-making process, it would reveal the current weakness of DOminican democracy. WE NEED INDEPENDENT INSTITUTIONS to curb the actions of our leaders and to remove this spirit of impunity that allows our leaders to rape over and over again the Dominican people.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
let us at least hope lionel uses the metro to break the sindicatos hold over us
Written by: DaniDr, 10 Feb 2008 11:56 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I support the metro the same way I support a bridge over the river or a project to build a new highway. What I don't like is when this projects are not mantained properly and it's 'forgotten' two weeks after it's finished.
I hope the metro is mantained well through the years and keeps running, since It should bring benefits on the long run.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
dani Dr...I thought you were gonna say you support the sindicatos ....who supports the transit sindicatos..?????.....................deafening silence
Written by: ny4life, 10 Feb 2008 2:52 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
Dreadlocks, you are definitely misinterpreting my comments. What I am saying is that the metro will benefit the citizens in the santo domingo. Buses will shuttle people to the metro stop and those who live directly near it will benefit tremendously. Also, you most remember that this is only the first phase. I hope you know that the metro doesn't stop here, there are more lines to be built that will eventually cover a vast majority of Santo Domingo and it's outskirts. It seems to me Dreadlocks, that you along with other proponents think this is the one line SDM. It is one of possible five to be built. Patience my friend. Eventually the SDM will cover a vast majority of the city. As far, as education goes man. The DR's education system is seriously out-dated. To combat years of neglect inherited by the President, Leonel is using computer and technology as a teaching tool for kids. This way of teaching will be similar to how kids are taught all over the world. contd..
Written by: ny4life, 10 Feb 2008 2:57 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
It's a way of creating a new generation of Dominican kids who are technology savy which will benefit DR in the long run. This teaching method in conjunction with adequate facilities will help bring DR up to speed in this globalized world where everything is dominated by technology. Leonel is trying to work with the Millennium goals established for all countries around the world. I believe there are incentives for countries who meet energy, education, etc. goals by 2015. Education is priority and I believe the President will have an answer for this solution when elected President. Honestly, only time will tell if this will happen but hearing his speak the other day, it seems like there are plans already made to tackle this issue. DR has along way to go socially, politically, and economically but it seems like strides are being made everyday at a rapid pace. When his 12 year years are over (including 2008-2012) we can judge what he did for DR. Right now the verdict is still out.
Written by: Jander, 10 Feb 2008 3:58 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Life is great here the streets are all fershly paved the Metro stations are looking good and economy is better then ever..got to love election time..
Life is Good!
Written by: Leandro, 10 Feb 2008 5:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic
i can't believe that our government is investing millions of dollars on something that is absolutly not needed. mindwhile there still people that hasn't been relocated from the slashed of the last natural fenomal that past through the dominican republic sometimes i just want to throw up when i heard that our president is buying politically power that worth billions of pesos so he can continues bein in power while people are strageling get by the days because of the lack of money on the street. with the immigration bein so big in the dominican republic the unemploymenty shoud be below any onether latin country. because every dominican that live out the country send money at least one a month. to their relativ.
Written by: Leandro, 10 Feb 2008 5:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic
but that doesn't make any sence to build a metro in a country where the is not electrical power during the day, how does he planing to power the stupid metro, wheni bet to you that when that starting working ther are is going to be a big choas, because the lack of enerny for the city. answer me that questiong how is he planing to do that.
Written by: dagtan, 10 Feb 2008 5:22 PM
From: United States
I have given up on this debate, since there are people that simply refuse to look at this project in an objective way. People, simply put your minds to it and say to yourself, if I was in such situation what would I do first, the basics or the extraordinary. Everything begins with the basics and then we build on those basics and develop into a more complex society and country. Think of of the U.S. after WWII, when they came back from Germany and compared their road system to the AUTOBHAN, the U.S. system was fairly old and outdated compared to the German's system. If FDR would have though like Leonel, he would have bankkrupted the country in trying to emulate or out do the German's system of roads. Instead, he decided to build the road system around the needs and develoiped it according to needs and as communities and states developed into industrial power, the roads were built. The project continues today and it behaves in the same way as it did at the end of WWII, cont
Written by: dagtan, 10 Feb 2008 5:26 PM
From: United States
unfortunately, Leonel is thinking about his legacy and not the progress of the country. The Dominican Republic has one of the least advanced road systems in the caribbean, why not update the road system, if he does not want to spend the money on education. I feel as if he and his government's members were afraid of education, hence killing it by underfunding it. It is a shame that the DR with one of the most profitable tourist industry in the caribbean, is almost at the bottom in education spending.
From: United States
To Whom It May Concern;
Just read their slogan, "No ense~emos a nadia a ser presidente, Leonel"
If don't believe me read the banner on top of this page, Incredible !!!!!
Written by: dagtan, 10 Feb 2008 11:29 PM
From: United States
goulet, please go back to school and learn how to read. I clearly indicated that it was one of THE least advanced road systems in the caribbean. Can you understand what one of means, goulet, please educate yourself. I do not mind you disagreeing with me on my posting, but please get it right and do not make yourself look less educated than what you are. Moreover, my adopted home is the U.S. since I am an immigrant who migrated at the age of 14. I have visited the Bahamas and lately Aruba and their road system, granted their are geagraphically smaller than DR, it is pretty advance for what they have. When I talk about advacement of systems is how effective they are and how well they perform and allow for the sustainability of the industries that makes these areas economically sound. For example, the Bahamas who have positioned themselves as the leading exporter of natural gas in the caribbean and a top contender world wide have improved their road systems to allow, cont..
Written by: dagtan, 10 Feb 2008 11:35 PM
From: United States
fot the easy transport of such products. In the DR the main source of capital nationally is tourism and many of the roads heading to punta cana, puerto plata, samana, harabacoa, pico duarte, monte cristi are under developed and dangerous due to their low built qualities. If you travel on the new highway between santiago and puerto plata which runs through the central mountain range and which cuts travel by about 30 mins to puerto plata, has been crumbling from day one. The last time I travelled that road a piece of the was missing and who ever did not knew the road was in danger of hitting a drop of about 500 meters. Mind you, there were no warnigns whatsoever or any public workers repairing the road at around 1 pm on friday, when I traveled this particular area. The same goes for the quality of roads in SD. If they do not want to expand the road system which has beend recommended by the top economist and do not want to fund education, then continue the poverty with the METRO.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
moe you know who you are the third stooge...your story has touched me...immigrant makes good goes on vacation visits 2 or 3 different islands....becomes expert on highways in his spare time and night school....your Horatio Alger tale has inspired me.....you know bubkes about highways in the carribbean or anywhere else....the toll road being built to samana exceeds the budget of the whole Netherland antilles highway system... we are improving our infra structure here in the D.R. all the time....why are you always trying to put the D.R. down.....I have spent 35 years traveling on business throughout the caribbean ....visiting many islands between 50 and 100 times ...the D.R. is a refreshing place compared to some of those backward pissant little islands....the strong economiies of B.V.I. and U.S.V.I. the Netherland antilles and P.R. are the exception not the rule....I havent seen any super highways on Anguilla or Nevis/st Kitts lately....WE in the D.R. are super fortunate
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
I do not mean to dismiss Anguilla or st Kitts/Nevis they are beautiful islands but very one dimensional ...tourism is it period punto.....the people are very kind....but they and most of the caribbean are small and do not have our potential
Written by: josean, 11 Feb 2008 7:23 AM
From: United States
Source DR1:
Metro guzzles money
In December 2007 the Santo Domingo metro project received more money for capital investments than 10 ministries combined. Education (RD$405.3M), Environment (RD$37.1M), Agriculture (RD$6M), Industry and Commerce (RD$18.5M), Armed Forces (RD$588,410M), Labor (RD$2.8M), Sports (RD$14.3M), Higher Education (RD$107.5M), the Presidential Administrative Ministry (RD$8.5M) and the National Housing Department-INVI (RD$184.1M) combined received less money than the metro. The Transport Reorganization Office (OPRET), that is overseeing the metro construction, received RD$900 million. No figures were released for October or November, but between January and September 2007 the metro received RD$400 million a month. Only the Presidential Public Works Engineers Supervisor Office (OIS), RD$1.2 billion and the Ministry of Public Works, with RD$1.12 billion, received more money than the metro.
Continued:
Written by: josean, 11 Feb 2008 7:27 AM
From: United States
Twenty days remain for President Leonel Fernandez' scheduled ceremonial ride on the Santo Domingo Metro, and the Transport Reorganization Office (OPRET) has still not made any trial runs of the railway system. OPRET sub-minister Leonel Carrasco said that workers are fighting to have the tests and there is no set date for that. He added that the tests depend on the Siemens technicians. Hoy, quoting an unnamed source, reports that a test will be conducted next Sunday. Authorities say that the work is being carried out so that Fernandez can ride the train on 27 February, as promised in last year's annual state of the nation address from Congress.
"Balaguerismo Historico in action!"
Would Dr. Bosch approve of the METRO and that Vincho Castillo is the intelectual guide of the PLD?
Written by: ny4life, 11 Feb 2008 2:45 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
Leandro, With Leonel in office from 2004-2008, has the country progressed? Have you seen significant or any changes from the previous Hipolito administration? Do you feel DR is progressing in terms of education, health, energy, and roads? Do you feel the country is in good hands with LF? What is your political affiliation if any? and does your affiliation deter you from accepting the current government?
I am assuming most Dominicans are loyal to one party even if they don't agree with what is being done. It's the old follow me and I'll give you something in return. If you say any against me than you are my enemy and no longer will receive aid from the gov't. I hope that's not the case with you Leandro but I know that's how it works in DR. That hurts the DR in teh long-term because constructive critisms are looked down upon and seen as an attack. You are not able to freely express yourself and make things better. I hope DR is breeding a new generation that takes note of this.
From: United States
ny4life, i wish i shared your enthusiasm for the metro, but analysis is analysis, if you get my drift. if the San Juan subway is subsidised to the tune of 60 pesos per rider per trip, we can expect something similar here. if metro carries 200, 000 per day, as leonel tells us it will, that is a mere 1,200,000 pesos per day in SUBSIDIES alone!! that is a lot of money that could go into schooñ supplies!!
Written by: ny4life, 11 Feb 2008 2:54 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
I pose those questions not just to Leandro but all Dominicans in DR. Analyze and think. Be honest with your answers. Has the country progressed? With Leonel, does the future look bright for all? Are riches reaching the poor? or Do you feel this segment is still being left out? Is there a better candidate or party? Are all policitans running for president proposing a bunch lies that will not provide benefit to people how most need it? Is there a need to inject a youth into the political scene with refreshing ideas that will cater towards advancing the country and helping the poor? Is it time to develop a fair movement that is committed to dismantle corruption and fight for justice? Is it time to stop being paid-off and combat violence and crime with a no mercy mentality? Is it time to develop education, health, and jobs so the poorest can be covered? Is it time to build, expand, and create new roads which are more sustainable? When are blackouts going to end??
Written by: ny4life, 11 Feb 2008 2:55 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
Dominicanos, Do you feel these questions are being considered for 2008-2012? If not, what alternative do you propose?
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
dredy .....I see your employer allowed you to go to the internet for you lunch hour.....San juan is similar but very very different....no motos.....no 1972 toyota missing a door with 6 people in it ...etc
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
dredy ...how much are you charging on your metro,my math like your mind is weak
Written by: dagtan, 11 Feb 2008 3:49 PM
From: United States
ny4life, Mr. Fernadez has instituted a lot of short term make me look projects. That is the problem with Dominican politicians across the board. I do no blame them for such practices, since their are simply reacting to what the people want. If you know the Dominican populace well, then you know that historically Dominicans are forgetful and often look at what is being done presently. Therefore, no one is willing to invest in the future or in something where the trees would not hatch fruit right away. Education in essence is one of those projects that is developmental in nature and it takes great deal of work and dedication, consistence dedication in order for it to show fruit one or two generations later. It took all civilized countries one or tow generations before they started to see the fruit of a healthy and strong public school system. These projects are unpopular, because people simply do not remember, hence, making the politcos only to worry about now and now only. cont..
Written by: dagtan, 11 Feb 2008 3:54 PM
From: United States
the Dominican public education system was further developed under the government of Antonio Guzman, thus, those results were not apparent until the late 90's it is clear that the wave of new schools that were opened during his short presidency allowed many more people to access to a free education. If Mr. Fernandez is reading the questions that you posted he himself would realize that his eyes or on the wrong prize, but at the same time understand that people like yourslef would only rate his sucess on what structural marks he leaves behind. However, I know that we should not compare the U.S. and the D.R., but to put things into perspective and to show you the way developed countries prioritize in comparison to underdeveloped countries. President Bush will be remember for the implementation of the NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND ACT, this act finally made schools and school districts that receive federal money (essentially all) for the sucess of all students, not just the domininant group. con
Written by: dagtan, 11 Feb 2008 4:00 PM
From: United States
Presidents in the U.S. always want to leave a mark in terms of education and developing programs to allow for the growth of the middle class. However, people in the U.S. hold the government to different standards than in the DR. In the DR people rate sucess based on how many things you built during your government, this practice started with Balaguer. However, in the industrialized world government are help accountable and their sucess is rated based on the social changes that they implement to help close the GAP. Another example, the first public document put out by President Sakhozi or France, was not a public works plan, but a letter to the teachers about the changes that need to take place in the French's educational system in order for them to compete with the rest of the world. The public wants him to deal with the important issues, and education is the most basic and important issue any nation has and it would always be the most important issue in our human race.
Written by: ny4life, 11 Feb 2008 4:14 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
Thank you for comments Dagtan. The progress is easy to measure in terms of all projects under taken since so many relating to infrastructure are needed in DR. Yes, a Dominican is desperate and wants change right away from the life of misery most people unfortunately live in. As a result, they look for short term solutions for everything and worry about things later on. However, I want this thinking to change in DR. We most plan for the future to become a more successful people anc country. Dr must make the sacrifices of providing education and health care to serve the population. Granted these projects are not as pretty compared to a metro but it's very necesary for the future of the country!!
To the Dominicans residing in DR. Please respond to the questions I have posted above. I will like to read your opinions as well.
From: United States, Washington, D.C.
Another shameless plug for my articles... I just submitted an article about institutional change.
As whether LF has been good for the country, no one, not even Hipolito, Balaguer, or Trujillo did everything wrong, nor everything right. You can advance in three areas and fall behind in two. Does that make you a good or bad president? I don't know, I guess it depends what affects you most. I know from what I read, hear, and analyze that many people are happy with what LF has done - stability & public works; at the same time a many feel that LF and the PLD are "come solos."
There are some really great advertisements by the PRSC - La Sinfonia (sp?) de los Pobres - that capture the frustration with the PLD! Going to the opposition parties campaign events, I can feel how angered people are with the lack of jobs, opportunities and $. I think LF has been good in many areas, but focusing only on the good stymies change. He has been horrible for transparency and accountability.
From: United States, Washington, D.C.
Similarly, LF has invested in tourist areas and the capital. The interior is in horrid conditions. I can tell you that the highway from Puerto Plata to Cabrera; Cabrera to Nagua are worst now than they were when Hipolito left office. So while the capital and the highways going to Punta Cana are in good shape, the ones in the interior are neglected.
Overall, I feel that the interior is neglected by LF.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
however God made a place for every one and even the challenged have a right to an opinion even the puffed up pompous ones
Written by: BLANCO, 11 Feb 2008 5:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic
the big dig in boston.......the big sewer in santo domigo....the first big rain will show what it is....a water slide..... i want the inner tube concession from 27 febrero to the ocean.....hoping there is a hole at the end to drain out the water
From: United States, Washington, D.C.
gouletcolonial, why do you feel this way? I can asure you that several of us have been in touch via email, phone, and hopefully soon in person both in Santo Domingo and NY. People from both conservative and liberal background.
No need to resort to name calling, specially if you feel your point merits attention. Just present it and it will be considered and discussed appropriately. With that said, please refrain from childish insults, only belittles you and this forum which many of us consider important for sharing ideas...
cheers,
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
In their utopia .....cuba/north korea cannot even post on internet because it is illegal.....the only thing they got right is Reducation schools with bars for Curly, Larry and Moe
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
please... you take yourself far to seriously and this is your great problem....a little levity and you would not come of as puffed up idealogues the cabal who are constantly in touch.... you are probably a group of elementary school teachers with to much time on their hands...sorry that was a terrible insult to elementary school teachers
From: United States, Washington, D.C.
Yeah, school teachers don't have too much time. Luckily we do, so we can discuss issues which may or may not trigger further discussion. The point here is to dialogue and hopefully try to build a social movement, as ambitious as that may sound, to implement CHANGE! If everything is so wonderful in the DR, why are you in canada? and over 2 mil. Dominicans abroad? Why do we need to rely on remittances?
Everything has a humble start, but as long as this is a start it is worth spending time, sharing ideas, and yes listening to insults from people like you. GC, if you think this is a waste of time, then I encourage you not to post, for the rest of us eager to share ideas and join in in smething bigger, then let us be.
Does that sound fair? If not, let me know, and I'll try to explain it further- that is, why we take ourselves and the problems in the DR seriously.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
do not think I am an outside agitator my interests and my children are in the D.R...... and I find the decision to build the metro perplexing at best but as they say.....in for a penny in for a pound....I pray this does not have an unhappy ending.... like banco mistako/credito....the potential cost overuns can be enormous...baldoria let us hope The gulag of Cuba has cabals or whatever like yours discussing their future ...behind locked doors with the curtain drawn..at least here in D.R. we can do it in freedom
Written by: TFISKE , 11 Feb 2008 7:25 PM
From: Canada, Alberta
You guys think the DR has bad conditions for the poor,, it is light years ahead of costa rica
I came here to see all the talk of boom and development and it isnt even close to the DR
wake up embrace change quit worring about the poor 24hrs a day they are all over the world its a fact of life we all hate
the taxes i payed to leave here was 26 dollars
they have crap roads no beaches few animals and airports that look the the dr 20yrs ago
Stop complaining it is a hell of alot better than you sayand will continue to get better under leonel
at least he is reinvesting in the country and building things
you willsee the metro
will be a good thing
i love the dr
you nay sayers take a look at were you live and see your problems aka bush
he building a 600milion dollar embassy in iraq with a cost of 1.6 billion a year to maintain
whats that going to do
Written by: dagtan, 11 Feb 2008 8:15 PM
From: United States
TFISKE, please do not bring up the U.S./Canadian relationship. Leave that up to American and Canadian nationals. However, Canadians do not desire to bring up any debate with the U.S. because they understand that it is not in their best interest to upset the U.S.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
dag bro ....what it be ...wheres dredy the prince of darkness...he is greatly missed....what shakin with the cabal..... you got that right we Canadians just roll along with our hi standard of living..great social programs...fine education system...do you think we would be crazy and rock the boat with the yanks....no I dont think so ....everything is mellow wish we had a tropical island though
From: United States
to my internet friends Baldoria, FranktheTank, Mr Lautaro, TexasBill, Jabao, Josean, Dagtan, thanks for the memories: it was a sweet ride learning from you all. for those positive souls who contributed to my reading pleasure, taught me something and widened my horizons, i remain in your eternal debt. regretfully, the internet exercise has become one of pure folly. i refuse to further demean myself by having to respond to idiocy from the likes of gouletcolonial. at least, if i go away, maybe he will. it is better that one man should die than the entire city should perish. thanks again to all. goodbye
From: United States, Washington, D.C.
Well, many are passive when it comes to politics. They take what's given to them, but alas, thankfully there are some who dare to say "Not So Fast." What's wrong with demanding transparency, accountability, representation, and justice? You are the Nay-sayers of participatory democracy. We who believe that "Father does not know best" and that things would be better if the people were involved, we are the vanguard (yes the VANGUARD) of democracy. We're not saying no to "the metro", we're saying "no" to the lack of transparency and accountability.
To all you metro supporters, what if the metro would cost twice the amount, or three or 100 times, would you still "blindly" follow LF into "progress"? Ask yourselves this, hypothetically speaking, what would it take for you to see there's a problem with how the metro was conceived and implemented- corruption charges, huge subsidies in the future? What would it take? If you could respond, maybe I could understand your point better.
From: United States
Would the "Metro" reduce the sale price of "Chicharronee" delivered to the city ???
Because I'm for it !!!!
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Haitians are going to kill themselves in mass when the metro is finished, They could never assimilate the idea that DOMINICANS are PROACTIVE.........................
Not BACKWARDS..........................
Keep suffering that while We build our country you destroy yours.....
To Annonymous: thanks for the comment about me 4 or 5 days ago, bad thing about you didn't have the guts to let your people see what is constructive and what is destructive.
Anyway PROMOTE do not DESTROY
Written by: TFISKE , 12 Feb 2008 6:33 AM
From: Canada, Alberta
OKAY I HAVE HAD ENOUGH ABOUT THE METRO!
GUESS WHAT IT IS COMING DEAL WITH IT!
IN 10-20YRS YOU WILL REALIZE THE PRICE WAS NOT BAD
IT WILL BE A HUGH THING!
GET OVER IT
WE COMPLAIN ABOUT BUS SERVICE HERE!
From: United States, Washington, D.C.
Mates, if you want to solve our society's problems, lets fight for institutions that will allow for proyects like the metro to happen, but in a transparent efficient way, not the way it was done. In 30 years, we may be enjoying the metro, but we'll also still be paying for the Money the stolen by DIandino Pena.
From: United States, Washington, D.C.
Rubirosa, you came in without disappointing... you seem to think that Haitians are really caring about the Metro. Well they do care, b/c their cheap labor is what's allowing Diandino Pena to steal most of the money :-) WHY NOT ATTACK THOSE WHO STEAL FROM US IN EVERY WAY IMAGINABLE? THOSE WHO KEEP US OPPRESSED AND ARE RAPING OUR NATURAL RESOURCES? CAUSING HUGE POLLUTION? Look at the elites, don't look at our most vulnerable.
You xenophobic bunch are aiming your discontent at the wrong place- which is exactly what the elites want you to do. Haitians are just as oppressed as us! THey have to leave their country for a better life, just like us. They have to live in misery while a small group lives in oppulance, just like us. Can it not be the case that Haitians are being used as a scapegoat to distract us from the real issues?
Gente, try to look at things from a different point, no one has the 100% Truth! not even me ;-)
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
thats for sure..not even you
From: United States, Washington, D.C.
at least I'm humble enough to admit it. DO you have the whole truth? if not, why then are you so dismissive of other's point of view?
GC, we can't be so arrogant to to dismiss contradictory points of view. we need to engage - just like I engage you. You on the other hand resort to name calling and ridiculing.
What's the benefit to the discussion for me to say "Maybe you & Rubirosa are the smae person." I would just sound simple minded.
In the spirit of moving forward, try to be civil in the future, and maybe we can all continue to learn from each other.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
pardon my quick and undiplomatic response...I saw the chance for a hopefully humorous response....I meant nothing personal...these blogs would be to boring if everyone keeps taking themselves so seriously...my apologies...until next time...do not commit hari kari like the late great dreadlocks
From: United States, Washington, D.C.
SOunds good :-)
cheers GC, keep us honest & laughing - even if we cry out some times.
From: United States
Sigh, i guess i may have to take the same route as Dreadlocks. JRRubirosa, do not drag me to your typical xenophobic rants. I do not associate myself with people who are ignorant and xenophobic. Time after time, i say to keep your comment addressed to Perception or whoever giving you steam. Do not insult haitians, to make up for your lack of education. This was about the metro, not about haitians going to hate dominicans because they are proactive. Leave haitians alone in this topic, why do you must pick on haitians. I have nothing more to say, I see you have been well educated in the school of xenophobia and ignorance. Before you came to this site, I enjoyed talking to educated people about the problems at hand. But your continuous rantings and lack of civility has greatly disturbed me. I have never been to haiti or dominican republic, but if i wasn't naive. I would believe all dominicans think like you, but I have been fortunate to meet dominicans who are intelligent
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
what ever your name is ....I find this subject less than edifying myself ....however it takes two to tango...I think these people .who..wish to discuss haitian dominican relations...should stick to the subject at hand....Give my regards to dreadlocks on your way to obscurity and the dark side
From: United States
One last thing JRRubirosa, go and read a book and stop bashing people. I know your ideology will never change, and i personally dont' care. I'll take my harvard educated self, as you would say, and save my breath for people who are at my level. I apologize to baldoria, lautaro, and others for taking this forum at a personal level. But i must let you guys know that it is people like JRRubirosa, perception, and others that have lowered the value of this site. Continue on going BACKWARDS JRRubirosa, moving forward is letting go of the past and try to make better for the future. I see you hating Haitians will move you to the future. Enjoy that xenophobic trip, express your thoughts, im sure there are a couple of baboons in the jungle that might take the trip with you. I am sure you are fluent in baboon's language. "Ook, ook, Me better than YOU, GRRRRRR" Keep on bickering with perception on who is better. Peace out
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
ok everybody....... All aboard the metro...Lets get back on board or whatever
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
To Anonymous: thanks for your educated comments and to ilustrate your PHD in knowing everything I would not have any problem on debating issues to a professional level as long as the people making the statement focus on the issue and not on bashing and disrespecting my country.
Your nearsighteness same as some people here let you see according (TO YOUR EXPERTISE) what is correct according to your standards and political and personal agenda.
I wouln'd Be XENOPHOHIC like you say if everything that people like you is maintained and keep on a equal level.
Too bad of dealing with one way people like you, once again some people like to be victimize to take advantage of any given scenario.
Regarding the BABOON language i don't watch to much cartoons and didn't get your smart illusttration.
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
(Cont) "Justice and equality is in the eye of the beholder"
You want to be civilized, educated and with good protocol standards, stay at this course and We keep everything "QUIET and PEACEFUL"
Problem is that once people like you or other people cross the line then you have to be faced SWIFTLY and MERCILESS on the grounds of a politcal and racial batle.
Let's keep everything them on a respectful tone and see wha't happens then.
You and your gang always bragging about being well educated and I don't see the point to show up, people with class never show up or brag about it...............................YOU GET IT????
Written by: dagtan, 12 Feb 2008 12:45 PM
From: United States
There is no doubt that there some people on this forum that are trully embarassing and simply do not get the point of a forum. Maybe they should go back and read on the development of forums by the Romans and the purpose of forums for Romans. As far as I know, forums was a place where people will come and discuss the topic at hand and not to insult or degrade anyone who dissented with another person's point of view or position. I have been in contact with BALDORIA over personal e-mails and our goal is to one day have a real forum where we will take on specfic topics and simply share our views on this specific point. However, when you have people that simply resort to offedn and trash others for no reason whatsoever, it is embarassing, at least to me, since I know that there are Haitians and Non-Dominicans who frequent this forum. I would not know what to tell them, if they confront me on the low balling that takes place here and the low rate character that is displayed, cont..
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
the gang is getting smaller and smaller and you have my assurance they have second rate educations.... but please try to stay on subject..... this deck has to many racial cards....everytime some one does not get their way...they play it ...stay on subject
Written by: dagtan, 12 Feb 2008 12:50 PM
From: United States
by some of the people that post here. They clearly lack an understanding of what this forum's purpose is and they do not have the skills needed to hold an objective discussion with other people. I have not spend one minute pointing out that all problems in DR come from the Haitian presence, because if I do that I'll be deceiving myself and kidding myself. I point to the system that counted me out from birth, a system that does not care for poor people and people who do not have the proper last name. I speak out against those that continue to ravage our economy, leaving the majority of us behind. I refuse to become part of that system now that I have been able to achieve a level of self realization formitable to compete with anyone at the economic level and academic level in the DR. I am not going back and forget that there was no services available when I was there and simply look the other way when I see people and children in the same situation, cont..
Written by: dagtan, 12 Feb 2008 12:56 PM
From: United States
an attitude towards us.
Written by: dagtan, 12 Feb 2008 12:56 PM
From: United States
that I was 19 years ago. Our problems are not due to the Haitian issue. Our problems are self inflicted and those of you that come on this forum trying to simply look at Haiti and dismissing the worng doings of the elite in DR are doing a worst harm to DR than the Haitian migration. If Dominicans do not speak against the inequalities, injustices, lack of services, lack of education, whealth concetration, discrimination, institutional racism, then who is going to speak out in our position. Do you people realize that there are more porr dominicans in the DR than poor Haitians in the DR. Lets look at the sheer number of Dominicans that do not have the basic services in their country, I am sure that this number out number the Haitian migrants that live in DR these days. I know that some fo you that live in the U.S. have achieved and some have not, do not direct your anger to people that are doing the same we are doing here in the U.S. God help us if the Americans will such, cont..
Written by: dagtan, 12 Feb 2008 1:23 PM
From: United States
GC, the way I deal with people like you is by simply ignoring what they say. But if you want me to make your wish come true and I am willing to make my credentials know to a person of mutual choice and have that see who has the better and more solid education between us. Moreover, the credentials need to indicate the contributions that we have made our community, people and host country as well. GC, please do not go there offending my education and academic abilities, simply try to put into perspective and follow your convictions. If you belief that my education is not solid enough in order for me to shere information with you, then say it clearly and show me how superior your education is to mine. Hey, I would proud of you as a fellow member of my nationality to be able to get a better education than the one I have, one thing is GC, I AM NOT A HATER. I challenge you to email our credentials to a trusted person and have them indicate who has the strongest education.
Written by: dagtan, 12 Feb 2008 1:32 PM
From: United States
GC, I never indicated that I was leaving the forum, yet another sign that have you limited understanding of the written language. I simply challenged you make our credentials public, since you are inclined to put people down I simply want to see your super credentials. And if your credentials are more impressive than mines, then my respect, but until then, you get none from me. Because, base on your comments, you have little substance and often come across hollow and close minded, the main traits in an uneducated person.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Dagtan as I said before... All Aboard ....or are you still outside with your can of spray paint this post is about our wonderful Metro...get with the program...you are the last of the stooges...conduct yourself with dignity...All Board
From: United States
From two bad administration, as wells as two different Metro possibilities, ones never look better that the other.
“Critical Thinking“.
Building an underground Metro at DR wouldn’t be “as bad as” an idea if an above ground monorail were considered it.
Had someone though for a second what would it be the differences between the two?.
Ground removal and Concrete tunneling !!!!
(Correction for previous readers)
“One don’t accomplish anything and the other is ripping the country off”
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
perception..... are you high ?.................this does not have a train of thought....what besides whininng and complaining in general is your point
Written by: dagtan, 12 Feb 2008 4:56 PM
From: United States
GC, you talk about dignity, but I think that the person without wny dignity or self respect here is you. I asked you a question and you simply ignored it, telling me that you, the person who often calls other names and talk about their cheap second grade education, is not willing to show his own credentials. GC you are simply full of it, if not, show your credentials and back all the nonsense that you post on this forum. I am more than willing to put my credentials out in the open, I have nothing to hide, nor do I have a hidden agenda. I am clearly opposed to the METRO, not for the sake of the METRO, but for the ill conceived nature of the METRO. The fact that more capital is being invested in a infrastructure project than in education concerns me about the judgement of the government and the advisors advising him on the future of the country. Mr. GC, you either show some respect or shut up. If you can not back up your name calling them keep it to yourself.
From: United States
NEWS BREAKING STORY
The first mugging has occurred on the METRO!
The alleged perpetrators are reported to be wearing purple tshirts with three yellow letters: PLD. Apparently this gang was under control for four years by another gang who's colors are white with three letters reported to be PRD. But they have now comeback with a vengeance pillaging and stealing everything and anything in its path.
The suspects are at large, or is it living large, are driving big gas guzzling Japanese SUVs headed in the direction of the National Place.
Oh, yes the victims are reported to be 9, 000, 000 DOMINICANS. Plus the world wide diaspora that has to send money to support their families while the gang continues to mug the national resources for their own benefit, expecting the Dominicans overseas to resolve the country's problems with there remittances.
An ear witness heard them say as they speed off "Eh, Palante Que Vamaos"!
With permission of Copyrights of Mr. Josean
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
paranoia with allusions....the metro is a reality
From: United States
What about the "Audit"??, that would be another reality !!!!
This time Vincho Castillo will be the "Defence Lawyer", but others will have the "Hammer"
From: United States
Five ways on how you can identify a “Comesolo” at Dominican Today.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1- Always disagree with anyone rational “Judgment” about any DR’s topic.
2- They spend long hours at the mentioned site trying to do “Damage Control”.
3- They “Covert” themselves, w/overseas registry as a disguise.
4- At the end of the forum, they always tells you their poor story.
5- And when you don’t agree, they start their “Name calling”.
From: United States
I think Leonel did got affected growing up in New York city, and when move to DR got the “Moquillo”
This is his Dominican-York thinking, We already have the statue of liberty (Montesino at the Malecon), in his 1st term he build the “elevados” and in his 2nd the “ Underground Metro”.
What’s next Sir, “Bring everyone from Washington Height to the Island” !!!
Note: I did heard once that he compare it himself with "Moises of the Bibble"
From: United States, Washington, D.C.
Dagtan... here here. GC is really trying all our patience. I think we should let him andRubiroso just talk to themselves. I hate excluding people from teh dialogue, but GC is a mean spirited BULLY trying to control the discussion.
We've spent too much effort dealing with him. Unless he posts anything constructive, I propose we simply ignore him. Time to put a stop to these bullies!
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
To Baldoria: it's an honor that you mentioned my name and thanks a lot for your time, If you don't want me for being a "Bully" I'm sorry but I truly believe that everybody has a right of opinion and life "It's too short" to be politically "Correct"
I understand Your points of view and good luck and energy to your positive and constructive group of opinions.
I will keep the fight for "Justice and Equality" for the "Dominicans from Dominicans"
"Duarte, Sanchez y Mella"
Written by: dagtan, 13 Feb 2008 10:02 AM
From: United States
I agree with you BALDORIA, I have invested too much in rising to another level to lower myself to such depth, as I have at time arguing with people that have no credentials or knowledge about any specific subject. Your strategy is good and I hope that all of su put it into practice and that way gain something out of our knowledge sharing.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
dag bro give it a rest.... you are making a fool of your self....go and form a new political party god only knows with your own email adresses you already have 6 or 7 and thats more than all the people who can bare to listen to your drivel
Written by: ny4life, 28 Feb 2008 3:05 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
I support Dagtan views on this forum. As I stated previously, the quality of the forum has lowered considerably. We must continue to have an open discussion while respecting everyone's views. Let's bring quality back to the forum. Also, a little humor doesn't hurt.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
dag your life has been fulfilled ....a supporter
Written by: dagtan, 28 Feb 2008 11:25 PM
From: United States
ny4life, that is precisely the reason why I have limited my postings as well. The fact that good talking points or articles are infested by certain people is a real shame. I really miss those days when we used to have our objective arguments with more than 90 postings on some articles and never offend each other. That is called respect for others and acknowledgement of their views and positions. The fact that certain people can not do or understand that you have put forward in such simple terms is scary and discouraging. We must all respect each other and allow people to show their positions on things and if we have some sort of disagreement with their positions we ough to post an objective opposition and not resort to personal attacks. I am for protecting freedom of speech in the form of writing as we do here, but due to the few that are lowering the quality of the forum, I urge the moderators to start taking actions against those that only post to offend or disminish others.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
to offend and diminish is my lifes work....when it comes to puffed up airbags make that hot airbags ,thank you very much
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dreadlocks,
Do not give them any ideas, the next METRO will be atomic powered.
After all the DR resources are misused for finishing 1 collapsing track in time, failing generators, stolen electricity equipment it will end like:
The Metros first ride is a GO !!
Haitians pushing the first cars, with the members of the PLD, through the tunnels for food.
Ly-on has to admit that this is a cheaper form of powering the metro.
READ THIS AS A JOKE !!! except from the political part !!!!
Sorry, for my English “Humor”.
PLD SLOGAN " No ense~emos a nadie a ser leonel, Presidente "
Note: Juan “Santo Domingo” and dreadlock, well native adaptation of your pieces.
If only someone would fund an "in-depth", academic study on the procurement and decision-making process, it would reveal the current weakness of DOminican democracy. WE NEED INDEPENDENT INSTITUTIONS to curb the actions of our leaders and to remove this spirit of impunity that allows our leaders to rape over and over again the Dominican people.
I hope the metro is mantained well through the years and keeps running, since It should bring benefits on the long run.
Life is Good!
Just read their slogan, "No ense~emos a nadia a ser presidente, Leonel"
If don't believe me read the banner on top of this page, Incredible !!!!!
Metro guzzles money
In December 2007 the Santo Domingo metro project received more money for capital investments than 10 ministries combined. Education (RD$405.3M), Environment (RD$37.1M), Agriculture (RD$6M), Industry and Commerce (RD$18.5M), Armed Forces (RD$588,410M), Labor (RD$2.8M), Sports (RD$14.3M), Higher Education (RD$107.5M), the Presidential Administrative Ministry (RD$8.5M) and the National Housing Department-INVI (RD$184.1M) combined received less money than the metro. The Transport Reorganization Office (OPRET), that is overseeing the metro construction, received RD$900 million. No figures were released for October or November, but between January and September 2007 the metro received RD$400 million a month. Only the Presidential Public Works Engineers Supervisor Office (OIS), RD$1.2 billion and the Ministry of Public Works, with RD$1.12 billion, received more money than the metro.
Continued:
"Balaguerismo Historico in action!"
Would Dr. Bosch approve of the METRO and that Vincho Castillo is the intelectual guide of the PLD?
I am assuming most Dominicans are loyal to one party even if they don't agree with what is being done. It's the old follow me and I'll give you something in return. If you say any against me than you are my enemy and no longer will receive aid from the gov't. I hope that's not the case with you Leandro but I know that's how it works in DR. That hurts the DR in teh long-term because constructive critisms are looked down upon and seen as an attack. You are not able to freely express yourself and make things better. I hope DR is breeding a new generation that takes note of this.
To the Dominicans residing in DR. Please respond to the questions I have posted above. I will like to read your opinions as well.
As whether LF has been good for the country, no one, not even Hipolito, Balaguer, or Trujillo did everything wrong, nor everything right. You can advance in three areas and fall behind in two. Does that make you a good or bad president? I don't know, I guess it depends what affects you most. I know from what I read, hear, and analyze that many people are happy with what LF has done - stability & public works; at the same time a many feel that LF and the PLD are "come solos."
There are some really great advertisements by the PRSC - La Sinfonia (sp?) de los Pobres - that capture the frustration with the PLD! Going to the opposition parties campaign events, I can feel how angered people are with the lack of jobs, opportunities and $. I think LF has been good in many areas, but focusing only on the good stymies change. He has been horrible for transparency and accountability.
Overall, I feel that the interior is neglected by LF.
No need to resort to name calling, specially if you feel your point merits attention. Just present it and it will be considered and discussed appropriately. With that said, please refrain from childish insults, only belittles you and this forum which many of us consider important for sharing ideas...
cheers,
Everything has a humble start, but as long as this is a start it is worth spending time, sharing ideas, and yes listening to insults from people like you. GC, if you think this is a waste of time, then I encourage you not to post, for the rest of us eager to share ideas and join in in smething bigger, then let us be.
Does that sound fair? If not, let me know, and I'll try to explain it further- that is, why we take ourselves and the problems in the DR seriously.
I came here to see all the talk of boom and development and it isnt even close to the DR
wake up embrace change quit worring about the poor 24hrs a day they are all over the world its a fact of life we all hate
the taxes i payed to leave here was 26 dollars
they have crap roads no beaches few animals and airports that look the the dr 20yrs ago
Stop complaining it is a hell of alot better than you sayand will continue to get better under leonel
at least he is reinvesting in the country and building things
you willsee the metro
will be a good thing
i love the dr
you nay sayers take a look at were you live and see your problems aka bush
he building a 600milion dollar embassy in iraq with a cost of 1.6 billion a year to maintain
whats that going to do
To all you metro supporters, what if the metro would cost twice the amount, or three or 100 times, would you still "blindly" follow LF into "progress"? Ask yourselves this, hypothetically speaking, what would it take for you to see there's a problem with how the metro was conceived and implemented- corruption charges, huge subsidies in the future? What would it take? If you could respond, maybe I could understand your point better.
Because I'm for it !!!!
Not BACKWARDS..........................
Keep suffering that while We build our country you destroy yours.....
To Annonymous: thanks for the comment about me 4 or 5 days ago, bad thing about you didn't have the guts to let your people see what is constructive and what is destructive.
Anyway PROMOTE do not DESTROY
GUESS WHAT IT IS COMING DEAL WITH IT!
IN 10-20YRS YOU WILL REALIZE THE PRICE WAS NOT BAD
IT WILL BE A HUGH THING!
GET OVER IT
WE COMPLAIN ABOUT BUS SERVICE HERE!
You xenophobic bunch are aiming your discontent at the wrong place- which is exactly what the elites want you to do. Haitians are just as oppressed as us! THey have to leave their country for a better life, just like us. They have to live in misery while a small group lives in oppulance, just like us. Can it not be the case that Haitians are being used as a scapegoat to distract us from the real issues?
Gente, try to look at things from a different point, no one has the 100% Truth! not even me ;-)
GC, we can't be so arrogant to to dismiss contradictory points of view. we need to engage - just like I engage you. You on the other hand resort to name calling and ridiculing.
What's the benefit to the discussion for me to say "Maybe you & Rubirosa are the smae person." I would just sound simple minded.
In the spirit of moving forward, try to be civil in the future, and maybe we can all continue to learn from each other.
cheers GC, keep us honest & laughing - even if we cry out some times.
Your nearsighteness same as some people here let you see according (TO YOUR EXPERTISE) what is correct according to your standards and political and personal agenda.
I wouln'd Be XENOPHOHIC like you say if everything that people like you is maintained and keep on a equal level.
Too bad of dealing with one way people like you, once again some people like to be victimize to take advantage of any given scenario.
Regarding the BABOON language i don't watch to much cartoons and didn't get your smart illusttration.
You want to be civilized, educated and with good protocol standards, stay at this course and We keep everything "QUIET and PEACEFUL"
Problem is that once people like you or other people cross the line then you have to be faced SWIFTLY and MERCILESS on the grounds of a politcal and racial batle.
Let's keep everything them on a respectful tone and see wha't happens then.
You and your gang always bragging about being well educated and I don't see the point to show up, people with class never show up or brag about it...............................YOU GET IT????
“Critical Thinking“.
Building an underground Metro at DR wouldn’t be “as bad as” an idea if an above ground monorail were considered it.
Had someone though for a second what would it be the differences between the two?.
Ground removal and Concrete tunneling !!!!
(Correction for previous readers)
“One don’t accomplish anything and the other is ripping the country off”
The first mugging has occurred on the METRO!
The alleged perpetrators are reported to be wearing purple tshirts with three yellow letters: PLD. Apparently this gang was under control for four years by another gang who's colors are white with three letters reported to be PRD. But they have now comeback with a vengeance pillaging and stealing everything and anything in its path.
The suspects are at large, or is it living large, are driving big gas guzzling Japanese SUVs headed in the direction of the National Place.
Oh, yes the victims are reported to be 9, 000, 000 DOMINICANS. Plus the world wide diaspora that has to send money to support their families while the gang continues to mug the national resources for their own benefit, expecting the Dominicans overseas to resolve the country's problems with there remittances.
An ear witness heard them say as they speed off "Eh, Palante Que Vamaos"!
With permission of Copyrights of Mr. Josean
This time Vincho Castillo will be the "Defence Lawyer", but others will have the "Hammer"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1- Always disagree with anyone rational “Judgment” about any DR’s topic.
2- They spend long hours at the mentioned site trying to do “Damage Control”.
3- They “Covert” themselves, w/overseas registry as a disguise.
4- At the end of the forum, they always tells you their poor story.
5- And when you don’t agree, they start their “Name calling”.
This is his Dominican-York thinking, We already have the statue of liberty (Montesino at the Malecon), in his 1st term he build the “elevados” and in his 2nd the “ Underground Metro”.
What’s next Sir, “Bring everyone from Washington Height to the Island” !!!
Note: I did heard once that he compare it himself with "Moises of the Bibble"
We've spent too much effort dealing with him. Unless he posts anything constructive, I propose we simply ignore him. Time to put a stop to these bullies!
I understand Your points of view and good luck and energy to your positive and constructive group of opinions.
I will keep the fight for "Justice and Equality" for the "Dominicans from Dominicans"
"Duarte, Sanchez y Mella"