From: United States
why we don't start doing the same at PR!!!
Written by: Lautaro, 14 Mar 2008 5:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
You are already doing it by the thousands on the US mainland, mr. hypocriception.
Written by: Lautaro, 14 Mar 2008 5:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Also, if you love them so much, why don´t you apply the wet foot-dry foot on them as you are all happy to do with the cubans? maybe what Haiti needs is a little revolution "a la cubana" (firing squads included), in order for you to start paying more attention to your backyard and drop your hypocrite policy of saying that you want democracy on Haiti while, at the same time, granting support and impunity to your affranchi friends of the FRAPH (Guy Phillipe, Emmanuel ¨Toto¨ Constant, Louis Jodel Chamblain among other terrorist scumbags), which are, precisely, the people responsible for the Haiti's current troubles.
From: Haiti
One thousand… Out of how many? One hundred thousand? A million? I never know what to believe because depending on the source, the number always changes.
I wonder how many Haitians cross into DR each day. This is a start, but if the Dominican authorities are serious about getting the illegal Haitians out, they're going to need a lot more men, time and resources.
Written by: Lautaro, 14 Mar 2008 7:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I don´t really think that they´re really doing it for serious, mr. Toussaint. You have to take into consideration that the DR is on an election year, so this may well be another propaganda tactic from the gov. in order to appease the right wingers to secure the reelection.
Written by: Edward, 14 Mar 2008 8:05 PM
From: United States, Leominster, Massachusetts
I think that deporting people back to extreme misery is inhumane. Haitians only want a better life and the vast majority of them are hard-workers. A lot of times their children have grown up in DR and to send them back to Haiti is wrong!
Written by: Lautaro, 14 Mar 2008 8:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
The matter won't solve itself by letting in all who wish to do so either, mr. Edward. If any, the distribution of the wealth would end up worsening on the country of destination, because the inmigrants will end up, sooner or later, fighting with the native population for the meagre crumbs that the elites let drop from time to time, which is a recipe for an explosive situation in which everyone would end up losing at the end of the day. As things stands, the DR is still reeling from the consequences of the 2003 banking crisis, and even before that, the distribution of the wealth was by then one of the worst on the continent, only surpassed by Brazil and the majority of the Central American countries on that account, so it's a given that the state have the duty to regulate the influx of inmigrants that enter the country (respecting the rights of the existing inmigrant population of course), if it doesn't want to end up having to face social warfare situations on the long run.
Written by: josean, 15 Mar 2008 6:46 AM
From: United States
Wonder why George Bush goes half way around the world to "build democracies" and neglects two countries in his backyard Haiti and the Dominican Republic, oh yea they have no oil!
From: United States
Why wait for the US to build democracy... are we not intelligent enough to do that ourselves?
Written by: josean, 15 Mar 2008 7:50 AM
From: United States
It was a tongue-in-cheek comment!
From: Haiti
Lautaro,
With our hearts as Mr Edward said it is ashame to see these human beings deported back to Haiti and those that have been here for generation are in a state of limbo. With someone that respects the law, I have to say that anyone caught illegally and deported have to accept their fate. Im sure many knew the consequences of paying a buscon to get them into the dominican republic illegally. In all I agree with you that this is mostly due to elections and appease to the groups that try to play the haitian scapegoat card. Since on the subject I'm so upset at the NGO's accusing slavery in the dominican republic manipulating the vulnerability of haitians & the poverty in the dominican republic for their personal interest. As long as human rights aren't violated, we have to abide by the rules set. Unfortunately, life isn't fair and some people always get the en dof the stick.
From: Dominican Republic
Edward:
Adding more poverty (Haitians) to a poor country like (DR) only gets the situation worst! It will only engulf DR into the same situation Haiti is in (deforestation, unemployment, prostitution, abnormal births, etc.). If they want better life, the Haitians should go to the U.S.! But the U.S. is deporting its own illegals and at the same time it punishing DR for deporting the illegals Haitians (hypocrates). Illegal immigration is not the answer to irresponsibility, destructive behavior, excessive population growth (beyond the resources), and violating another country sovereignty and laws!
From: United States
please help me here, Greenwave: you enumerate irresponsibility, destructive behaviour and excessive population growth as features of haitian society contributing to its downfall. what do you think contributes to ours?
From: Haiti
Please lets have a balance discussion about this obvious problem with respect for each other. It's easy to knock someone down when they are vunerable. Besides, for as many illegal haitians that are in they DR we can't deny the fact they have been an asset to the DR. Haitians that migrate illegal there must abide by the migration law or face deportation but let's not forget that they have contributed to the development of the DR...what would DR be without haitians? I guess you don't want the metro extension nor any high towers that will meet budget after the corrupts pocket the other half.
From: Haiti
It's so is to criticize and pass judgement when one hasn't walked half a mile in the persons shoes. Generalising a whole population based on ignorance, prejudice, and feeble replies is ridiculous. Please live the USA out of this and stick to hispaniola or it would be just to bring in the million dominicans that are illegal in the USA & Puerto Rico. Your countrymen are living the DR for the same reasons anywhere that the feel the grass is greener on the other side. Why would a dominican bring up prostitution? Are you sure you want to discuss this realm.
From: United States, Long island, NY
It was about time.........................enough is enough
Dominican Republic can't just alone help Haiti when Canada, France and US are doing BS and then blaming Dominicans for being "Nice"
Written by: Lautaro, 17 Mar 2008 7:52 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I don't know why you're so happy cheerleading about this, Rubirosa, if these sweeps are done only for electoral purposes in order to please the right wingers of the FNP. But then, if this scam is pleasing yourself so much, then please keep deluding yourself about this. You know as well as I do that the Diandinos and Fanjuls of the country will only keep smuggling them back, that is, until the day that the haitian inmigrants decide that enough is enough and start fighting for their working rights (such as a long overdue salary rise) in earnest. As mr jabao said, if one were to analyze the benefits that the construction and agrarian consortiums are reaping from the cheap labour afforded by these inmigrants, and the ill treatment that they receive afterwards, then one would have to conclude that we're witnessing an armed assault in the process.
From: United States, Long island, NY
Lautaro: actually the FNP and Vincho Castillo sons are the only ones in DR with "BIG GUTS" to adress this issue in a "Clear" way without any political BS to please international community and Haitians lovers in general.
To give You a simple example in the Cibao region Where lots of chickens and eggs companies lost money due to the "Haitian political stupidity" decide that We had a "Zombie" disease in these produce lots of "Haitians" lost their jobs along with "Dominicans"
This said I truly believe that We have to be "realistic" and stop "dreaming" about being "saints" when UN, US, France, Canada and Haiti are pounding, spitting and hating dominicans for being
unfair when Dominican Republic is the only country taking care of Haitians and We still get blamed for a problem that is not our fault but "Haitians and international community"
From: Haiti
Rubirosa, you'rer disillusional of the reailities of the people in the DR, dominicans & haitians. Do you really think the Fanjuls, Vicini, etc. see you as one of them just because you are dominican? Yeah u sitting drinking brugal with them about these damn haitians. You are right they have the have power beyond imagination and have addressed the issue. Illegal haitians work hard and for cheap. They would probably hire you if you worked for peanuts and with no health insurance or labour protection. I forgot you immigrated seeking a better opportunity because none was available for your class. Can you stop blaming haitians for everything? Haitians aren't collecting welfare in the DR rather they work hard to get the little that they have.
From: Haiti
cont. I have said it here many times..NGO's are manipulating the vulnerable situation of haitians in the DR and the average dominican although may spew rhetorics and discriminate againts Haitians that are illegal in a worst economical situation but they aren't enslaving haitians. Can you at least try to be consistent with your diatribes? Haiti banned the poultry because of the bird flu and kept the ban 1. to get the better leverage 2. respect from silly dominicans like you that think DR isn't dependent on haiti and recognise her as the best trading partner.
From: Haiti
cont. 3. Haiti needs to become less dependent on goods that the local market can produce. You hate haitians but want our money which one is it. Do you want a divorce for good or do you want to live in a roller coaster relationship? FYI, you are doing you country a dis-service every time you write. You are in the USA for god sake haven't their FREE public education and FREE lunch alimented your short circuits. Rubi, something is definitely wrong with you. When did it all start of your hatred for haitians. Your false sense of pride and you coming from a marginalise background to another marginalise hood. Please get help and stop embarrassing dominicans. I know well educated dominicans that can debate with a well balance answer such as many on here. Why haven't that rubbed off you. How many times do you go to dominican republic? Telling everyone how rich you are over there and show them pictures of you on parked BMW's. K lo K. pana. to' vien
Written by: Edward, 17 Mar 2008 11:00 AM
From: United States, Leominster, Massachusetts
Maybe I sympathize with the Haitian immigrants, because I'm an immigrant myself from DR living in the US. I know what it's like to be used as a scapegoat for everything and being blamed for everything. Thanks to CNN's Lou Dobbs' obsession with immigration, a lot conservative white Americans now think that anything that is brown and not born here must be an illegal and a criminal.
Written by: Lautaro, 17 Mar 2008 11:06 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I'm curious about the reason of your unrelenting hatred against the haitians, Rubirosa. Could you please enlighten us, simple mortals, about the reasons behind it? What was the grievous misdeed that they did to you? Did they took a car from you? Money? A girlfriend? Vamos mi pana, confiésate!!!
From: United States, Long island, NY
We do have to separate "Reality" from "Hate" , I might be compassionate about Haitians since They are human beings and need to be respected likewise.
There is "conspiracy" among the UN and all countries already mentioted before, so what I would love to see at least from everybody else is a sense of responsability and stop once again blaming Dominicans.
I do have my right of opinion and will love to see some kind of solution for Haiti but I don't thingk that nobody cares about this issue other than DR, in the meantime there is a "Strong" feeling among Haitians that Dominicans have to cator and please to their needs, request and crying to the rest of the planet since They feel Dominicans should be wipe out .
Proof of all this mentionet is the most recent "state of the department in US" regarding how "senseless", 'Inhumane" and "Bad" Dominican Republic behaves against "Haitians"
From: United States, Long island, NY
(Cont) Vincho Castillo and family are the only ones with big and unique "Patriotic Dominican mentality" to tell things the way they supposed to.
Trying to please everybody on detriment of the Dominican Republic will only be good for Haitians, haiti and the international agenda.
We do need to protect ourselfs and guard the future that will be deliver to the future "Dominicans"
and never let the country "off guard" so everybody else is comfortable and happy when the country will be going backwards and ready to collapse.
From: Haiti
Edwards, It's ashame how conservatives have used hispanics as the scapegoat of illegal aliens absorbing the life out of america. It is only right for you to empathise with illegal haitians in the DR. Imagine being illegal in a country as DR where one is at the mercy of a corrupt mostly unedcuated police officer or army that are under paid and barely can feed there family. Better have your pay off money ready and hope he had a good night before. Remember human rights is something new in Latin America at least illegals in the USA get processed and not put in packed pick trucks and dump over the border with no money to get to their village and belongings taken away or left at home with kids expecting you to be home at a certain hour or know that you've been deported. Despite, the human rights violation & vunerable working rights of illegal haitians majority have no hard feelings and no the consequences if caught. .
From: Haiti
I have to say that DR has immigration laws & unfortunately illegal haitians knew what was coming. I am haitian and love my people but hey the law is law although we know it is bias and aimed at only one group. Im more concerned on how it is done "process" and how it is done to distinguish "el haitiano". Hey a dark skin guy gotta be a haitian. As Lautaro had said prior that this exploitation and NGO's throwing oil in the fire is a time bomb waiting to explode. dominicans thinking a yola to PR would resolve their woes and Nueva Yol where dollars are up for grabs on trees is another issue that needs to be address.
From: Haiti
And with dominicans such as Rubi that is an immigrant from a poor country that has the audacity to spew diatribes about haitians in the DR is laughable. I would love to see him take up Lou Dobbs..I'm sure he'll tell him to pack up his bags with his people. After reading him I really see that his strong hatred for haitians and passionate is serious. I am really concerned about this fellow. As a christian I pray for you to get the demons out of your soul. It is disturbing and frightening to read him. One would think he is a KKK member rather than a dominican immigrant living in the USA where time are rough for his own people there. His dominicanism as if he owns DR and could rub shoulders with dominicans of the upper society shows how out of touch he is. Sure you have Franjul's number and go play gulf at the country club and he'll give you his daughters hand in marriage to fight the crusade of getting haitians out of the DR. Reading him is comic book episode..God Bless u sir.
From: Haiti
Rubi, please get help your comic episodes are getting boring and repetitive. Safe guard ourselves from who. The evil haitians are waiting on Kennedy to over throw the dominican governement and pillage innocent dominicans. I,Rubi, a poor immigrant from Nueva Yol will defend la Patria kon to' mi alma. Once I get my check I shall buy a plane ticket Jet Blue of course directly to my estate in Los Minas. I will have my side kick read to me the constitution since I can't read spanish too well and barely can write it. There, I started another series for you ..Wait..don't forget the voudou ceremony from the haitians with bird flu chicken as the sacrifice. While u take a guagua to the taino caves & MSN madre patria E'paña to give us blessing. Saque to' lo' Jaitianos. La Rebolución. Viva RD. Take it from here now.. Rubi dime pana k ol k..ta vien.
From: United States, Long island, NY
I truly believe that on the same token that "Haitians" have a right of existence, "Dominicans" have the same right as "Human Beings" to decide what is good for the country as long as it benefit:
Dominican population, our constitution, our future, our well being, our existence, our national security and our economy.
I don't ask for anything else to other than looking up for our wellfare before looking to please everybody else and this is what "Haitians" don't like since They looking for their own well being and at the same time "Dominicans" have the same right to decide what is good for "Quisqueya" before selling out the country to make other nations happy along with haiti goals.
Written by: Edward, 17 Mar 2008 12:35 PM
From: United States, Leominster, Massachusetts
I really hope that Haiti's economy grows and that they have stability. It's in the best interest of both countries and the island. Who knows maybe someday when DR is finally allowed into Caricom we won't have all these problems and conflicts.
From: Haiti
Rubi, ok..we are getting somewhere manito..ok ya me dijiste..dominicans have a right to exist and so do we. Pero ben acá muchacho kuien te e'tava disiendo lo kontrario. What is the haitian goal that you are talking about..This conspiracy that the evil haitian has "dossiers" to take over the dominican republic because it is ours and want dominicans to start speaking creole and dancing kompas(although they already do just a faster tempo). is that the goal..Gosh high top security information has been leaked. There must be an informant in the Haitian Palace. Can you share these goals with your fellow dominicans so they can prepare themselves for dooms day when these haitains well come across the border first to the cibao region to oust Amatheon then onward to Sto Dgo. Jet Blue will be booked with dominicans from NE to help hold Altagracia. Even those that are illegal will come back knowing they will never get back in to the USA. La Rebolución e' selka!! Tu 'ta lito pana. k lo k
From: Haiti
Rubi, I hate to rain on your party but ya e' demasiao talde. Nojo'tro bamos acabar la dominicanida. We even have haitians in the USA waiting for the right time to strike on Washington Heights and Roxbury. We've been waiting for 164 years to take what is rightfully ours. Please give us details about your counter attack & information on who the real "dominican mentality" will overcome this invasion. K lo K. What is your solution to this haitian invasion? Are you working underground with the latinos in NYC to win this war on haitians? Please let it out once and for all..just cry if you have to we are here to help you overcome your haitian fear. Did you get held up by a haitian en Duarte? Or when you came down here for you yearly visit tu jeva te dejo pol el haitiano ..ella te dejo plantada and preferred to stay with him. Atrevida..haitian lover..
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
To Jaboa,
I think you need to leave Rubi alone my friend. The truth of the matter is that, he really loves Haitians. He probably goes home and ask his wife to make him some authentic "Griot avec picklis", he listens to T-Vice and Carimi, he probably says in the shower "Marchon Unis, Marchon Unis", and to top all off, he's probably talking to Nadege right now trying to say,"mwen remen''w cherie".
From: United States, Long island, NY
Jabao-Haitian: You are going delussional right now so I feel sorry your state of mind, I don't get your point but once again, We do have a right to have our own agenda.
What is good for Haiti is not necessarily good for "Dominican Republic" "PLAIN AND SIMPLE"
From: Haiti
Rubi, manito k lo k ai. Please brother get it out of your system once and for all. I really would like to to dispose of that demon inside of you my brother. Can you please explain what the dominican agenda is? And elaborate on the latter statement ? BTW, latter means last not ladder one goes up. You mention these words often agenda, we(personal pr.) haitian, sovereignty. Do you have any idea of what you are talking about. When you say we are you referring to the Yipeta dominican in Arroyo Hondo that lives well or the struggling guagua taking dominican in Gualey trying to get by and keeping eyes open for tigueres waiting to prey komo lovos. Another questions, How do you feel about the haitians living legally in the DR? Would you like for the to get out to or can they stay? Duarte & Benito Gonzalez is where the haitian cornered you? Kuentanos pana..te epero..manso!!!
From: United States, Long island, NY
Jabao-Haitian: once again you going the "Delussional" way and for the last time try to understand If you have some "Common Sense" that our country do have a right of opinion and We don't need to please You , your people and every other country that don't do C..p for haiti and Wants Dominican Republic to take care of every issue on Haiti.
Can you please at least mention something "PROACTIVE" that your country is doing to help its people to improve humane, health and economic issues and I will respect you like a decent person after I get your "Professional" answer.
From: Haiti
Rubi, I patiently asked you simple questions in my last post and I haven't got an answer. How do you feel about haitians living legally in the dominican republic which you took the cobarde way out and left too or maybe you didn't have opportunities just like the haitians that migrate to RD in search of a better life. You cant even dialogue in a civil manner nor explain your disdain for haiti. Haiti is improving security for its citizens and controlling products such as poultry which we can produce at home and focus on goods that won't flood our national product coming from the dominican rep. De verdad tu eres un cobarde sin verguenza. No te pones bravo. Ni siquiera dame una respuesta decente. Ahora yo se que tipo de persona tu eres. Tienes la cabeza vacia y con tanto odio en tu corazon. You cant even confront your stance on a forum.imaginate en persona. If there would ever be a war between the two countries I guarantee you won't even do anything. thank God this will never happen
From: Haiti
The ironic thing is you think you are civil and professional looking down at haitians..I am sure you've never been to places I've been in your own country. Bitter little poor dominican in the states that think he matters in dominican society...por favor chico.u can live the ghetto but you can't get the ghetto out of you. You are a disgrace to your people. A nobody in your society with no power to change anything. One thing I can't stand is a cobarde that talks vaina without a viable stance on you feel the way you do. YOu gain respect my friend and it is obvious you dont get respect on this forum which is probably a project on how people see you in real life..un payaso con tanto suenos. I am still praying for you though. God bless fools too.
From: United States, Long island, NY
Jabao-Haitian: I'm still trying to understand your "Weak" state of "Haitian" mind since I just asked you a simple question about your "Lazy" goverment.
I will leave my answers to Your "Deformed brain" and I will not give you the pleasure to downgrade myself and debate non-sense information with you.
Once again "Haitians" show the "Brain cells" in people like You, the funny thing is that I don't need to prove myself to You.
I truly believe that your "Haitian Choperia" is taking you "PLACES' when you mentioned that you being in places that maybe I never being.
Find out what "CHOPERIA" is since is a good Dominican "Low Class word" and do something "PROACTIVE" and "CIVILIZED" for your people instead of talking about "Guaguas, barrios and once again choperia" since you are a really "Haitian Chopo"
From: United States, Long island, NY
(cont) to give you a simple example:
In Miami 60 something years ago before "Cubans" got to the South part of Miami people from your same class had the chance to prove themselves doing something in a positive way and they never did it.
"BANG" Cubans arrived in the south part of Miami and change the "Modus Vivendi" in terms of progress, grow and dependability.
You see my point "Haitians have never prove themselves worldwide", so this is my criteria to analyze people like you that are always focus on the "Low class" society trying to prove something that is negative and downgrade the "hatians" that are not like you, "I hope so"
From: United States, Long island, NY
(Cont) to continue giving you simple and constructive examples We "Dominicans" have prove ourselves for being "resillient" "good" or "Bad" even the "Irish" and the "Italians" did it in the US but at the end the "Goal justifies the means"
We do have Amelia Vega 1st "Dominican Miss universe", Oscar de la Renta, Juan Luis Guerra,
Etc, etc.
Prove me something about your country that international community can recognize, credit and applaud, "PLAIN AND SIMPLE"
And stop "Talking" non sense, non constructive conversations and opinions since it is taking you along with your country to a "Dead end Abyss"
"Love and Peace" and at least have some "Humane decency" and try to be a good example for your people and lead with "Dignity and respect"
From: United States, Long island, NY
(Cont) no shame and negative comments, true "Leaders" are always "Taught" the right way and never borned from "Anything"
So please grow up and try to discipline and teach Your people the right way not the "Wrong Way"
for the better of "Haiti"
Written by: JOHNUSA 
, 18 Mar 2008 1:39 AM
From: United States
JRRubirosa, Why do you denigrade a whole country? JabaoHaitian challenged "you", your thoughts and ideas. So answer him appropriately. Do not generalize Haiti and It's people in a condescending manner. The heated fight/discussion is between you and JabaoHaitian, not the Haitian people or the Dominican people.
From: United States, Long island, NY
JohnUSA: most likely you are "Haitian" too so the question that I asked was simple and easy.
Jabao-Haitian didin't challenge me, He is actually behaving like a "Haitian CHOPO" and I don't need to downgrade myself to talk cheap talk.
What has done the Lazy goverment of Haiti for its people???
What have done Haitians to prove themselves???
Maybe You can answer Mr JohnUSA (Creole boy) too???
From: Haiti
It's ashame that chopo is the few words in dominican spanish that you can actually spell correctly and now the significance of it. You belong in the fiction section or sad comedy that didn't make the cut. You are even ashame of your own dominican language. Guagua is a dominicanism for an "autobus" and there are people in the barrios that are good hearted and honest with education despite there economical background. Please stop mentioning Amelia Vega Juan L. Guerra respected dominicans that are educated. Is that the only way you make yourself feel good about your plight in freezing Nueva Yol with no heat in the projects bustling everyday with your Ipod on the A train. The dominicans of that genre are ashamed of you. An individual that uses a white sanky panky as a user handle says alot about the fantasy world you live in. You can only write more than two sentences only when it is to defame rather than dialogue and present your comments accordingly.
From: Haiti
continued. I would've respected you a little if you would come out and say. Well, I dont want haitains in the DR period. I hate them and can care less if they are legal. That's what men do. Now we see why el haitiano took your dominican girl. They like men with a backbone not those that talk hot air and do nothing. A simple question you are choking on a bone. How do you feel about legal haitians? What are you talking about cubans and 60 yrs? N. Miami had a haitian architect as mayor. We have a senator in Chicago that is haitian and that city was found by a haitian. We have Edwidge Danticat a young haitian american writer. We have Gracelle Beauvais the hot chick that co-star with Jaime Fox. I know you heard of Wyclef. I would name haitian business that are own in the DR which service dominicans & haitians. Even a dominican airline is owned by a haitian. Dude stick to your ghetto comic life and go to church. Semana Santa isn't meant to be drunk on Brugal and loud music
From: Haiti
John I am not even challenging this fictional character. I want him to get help and concerned about his welfare. An immigrant that is in the USA coming from a poor country that utters so much diatribe is a sick individual that need alot of help. When one is from a poor barrio with a father that left early age and the good heart dominican mother that struggled to get to the USA to give this bafoon a chance in life to turn around and end up as a loser is heart breaking to society and himself. This is a tragedy to the dominican society when the ones in el pueblo see a fool as him not doing something with his life than talk garbage. Other dominicans reading this are laughing at you and want you to cease writing. You are making them look bad and they know you need help. I can see Lautaro,Carlos and Acosta and others are sayng can he stop making us look bad and just get help. Go get a GED learn proper english and take a free course in spanish. L. Dobbs does have a point in ur case
From: United States
You are already doing it by the thousands on the US mainland, mr. hypocriception.
0000
Only we remove from the homeland Drug dealers, Gangsters, Shoplifters, Convenience store robbers, Pimps, Fraud artist, Human traffickers, killers and cons !!!!!!!!
Well adapted citizens that respect the law and hard working families don't have that problem. !!
From: United States, Long island, NY
Jabao-Haitian: once again for the 3rd time You are missing the point and Your "PHD" is taking you places.
Is easy for You and all Haitians and haitians lovers to point out Dominican Republic supposedly "Flaws" when you guys post negative comments.
Still waiting for my answer:
What has the "Lazy" goverment of the Republic of Haiti done for its people to improve conditions??
Guess I will answer myself since you don't have the "Professionalism" to do so.
"Goverment of haiti is looking for international support to punish Dominican Republic for being abusive to the Haitians"
On the other hand same countries that kiss Haiti back don't do Bs or C..p for Haitians.
Itsn't this ironic and meaningless???
From: United States, Long island, NY
(Cont) Thanks for Your advice about my language flaws, but always people like you are the ones that need some kind of improvement "skills" since you are pointing out your wish to invade our homeland.
What is the Obsession that Your people have with Dominican Republic??
You see my point "Jabao-Haitian" you are the one always talking about same negative and derogative terms" Ghetto, guaguas, getting drunked with brugal, hanky panky and Nueva YOL
So I guess your "PHD" degree is not matching your "mentioned" high class education and family that You belong to.
People that are educated or have some class never "Brag about it" like you need to do.............
From: Haiti
Rubirosa, please get help and if the republicans win the elections and anti immigrant rhetoric bashes the hispanics that are mostly trying to feed there families and have an opportunity there country didn't give them. I hope you come back to your beloved RD and do something about your discontent with haitians. In the mean time get a life and keep leeching of the free resources the americans have offered you to write non sense. You really need some pyschological counseling and I hope you can do yourself a favor and go. Afterall, the american taxpayers are paying for it. Tu eres poco hombre. Can't even stand firm on a forum for crying out loud. In the mean time dominicans & haitians will improve relationship while you struggle to get by in Nueba Yol. I have don't you many times I don't have a PHD. Why do you keep thinking I have one? In conclusion you have no input in what takes place in RD. Just visit once and while ok. Haitians & Dominicans will live in peace.
Written by: Lautaro, 18 Mar 2008 11:29 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
To Perception:
Really?? then, are you willing to wager that the mexicans and people from other nationalities daily crossing your borders (and oceans) fleeing from the famine and poverty of their homeland are Drug dealers, Gangsters, Shoplifters, Convenience store robbers, Pimps, Fraud artists, Human traffickers, killers and cons? Do you have the guts to tell them that in their faces? As we dominicans would say: Mano, que cojones los tuyos!!!
From: Haiti
BTW, you don't have a homeland. You abandoned it the minute you had a chance to leave legally thru a sponsor or illegally. Let us haitians in the DR and dominicans that are dealing with the everyday events in the country deal with it. I am showing you the exit and don't come back no more only for visits to boost your low self esteem of your unfortunate plight in Nueba Yol. You don't live here anymore. You are now the USA's headache and a burden to their society. The haitians are showing you the door. Don't let it hit in the back of your head. On second thought it might knock some sense into you. Book an interview with L. Dobbs to talk about the invasions of your former land and he'll explain you invading his. A disgrace to the dominican society that are making strides but individuals like you keep pushing them backwards.
From: United States, New York City
Guagua
FYI the word guagua is supposedly of canary islander origin...it's not a dominicanism....
From: United States
BTW, you don't have a homeland. You abandoned it the minute you had a chance to leave legally thru a sponsor or illegally.
0000
True !!!
From: United States
Let us haitians in the DR and dominicans that are dealing with the everyday events in the country deal with it. I am showing you the exit and don't come back no more only for visits to boost your low self esteem of your unfortunate plight in Nueba Yol.
0000
Also True !!!
From: United States
I don't have problems with hard working honest Dominicans or Mexican as long they contribute something positive into the society I live on !!!
0000
I can't run on any regular land or pavement "Without Shoes", since I'm an Arian person, Sorry Lautaro.
Written by: Lautaro, 18 Mar 2008 12:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
You didn't answer my question. Then again, are you willing to tell those latinos and asians who are crossing your borders daily that they are only Drug dealers, Gangsters, Shoplifters, Convenience store robbers, Pimps, Fraud artists, Human traffickers, killers and cons in their faces? I'm asking you this since you were the one that implied that the inmigrants (and the people from the countries that they hailed from) are nothing more than scum. Are you willing to answer this, Herr Perception?
From: United States, New York City
"Let us haitians in the DR and dominicans that are dealing with the everyday events in the country deal with it. I am showing you the exit and don't come back no more only for visits to boost your low self esteem of your unfortunate plight in Nueba Yol."
All dominicans, wherever they reside, have a right to comment on their country of origin, more so than haitians that happen to live there, more so than canadians on this website, come to think of it more so than anybody (after all we ARE dominicans, we just happen to reside abroad). The fact is that dominicans abroad contribute MIGHTILY to the dominican economy...even if we don't reside there year round we are still an indispensable segment of the dominican population. The tourists may one day stop coming, the haitians may one day return to their land of origin , but we dominicans will always be dominicans no matter where we are on this third rock from the sun.
From: United States
Only we remove from the homeland,
Written by: Lautaro, 18 Mar 2008 12:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Then keep your course, Mr. Arian Youth. Oh, BTW, I've got the feeling that I have caught you in a bit of a lie, you see, it's a physical impossibility for an Arian Youth or KKKer (whichever strikes your fancy) to hold any love for the haitian people, if any, you should only feel hatred for them, due to the fact that it would be the haitian people which would dealt the killing blow to your little game called slavery. In short, who or what are you exactly, mr. Perception?
From: Haiti
Cibaeno75,
Please calm down and relax. When one uses guagua it is known as caribeño since cubans and puerto ricans use it as well. I am not sure if its origin is from the Canary island which is probably true. It also is used in Peru as well but means a "boy" in the native tongue. So the origins of it is a toss up. I believe we dialogued b4 and find you interesting in your comments. Don't allow you being dominican cloud your brain of my comments towards one silly dominican that generalise haiti in a negative light. Ok, you are dominican de pura sepa wherever you might go and have your rights. Again, haitians,, canadians,americans, europeans living in the DR legally have rights too as much as you have rights living legally in the USA. Can you please answer my question that this character couldn't. How do you feel about haitians living legally in the DR? Your dominican can never be taken away from you but being a silly dominican as Rubi does damage to the image of dominicans
From: United States, New York City
If they are there legally then what's the problem? Besides that and just to be clear I'm for granting dominican citizenship to ANYONE born on dominican soil regardless of the status of their parents. With that said, anyone who has entered the country ILLEGALLY should be repatriated (if they have children who are dominicans then their cases should be heard individually in some type of immigration hearing to determine their status). That's my stand on the whole "haitians" in dr thing.(I put haitians in quotations because some who are currently considered hatians are in reality dominicans without papers).
From: United States, Long island, NY
Constitution can't neve be "Violated" to please Haitians and people like Mr know everything.....
This is my answer MR
I haven't met yet any Haitian that is living in the Dominican Republic other than "Illegally"
From: Haiti
Cibaeno, that was a simple question and you gave me your input because you have brain cells rather than talk garbage like this fictional character. Thank you for you stance and I agree with you 100%. You are a dominican that has a backbone rather than throw rocks and hide behind the glass wall which is breakable. Can you please talk to this individual and find out why is he so sick. I am deeply concerned about him. Human beings can't hold so much hate in there hearts something deep is ailing this character. I hope he doesn't go out and hurt someone nor himself. Please join me in prayer to save his soul during semana santa. God bless you my brother..un apreton de manos como gente civilizada
From: United States, New York City
I hope that Mr . Know everything comment wasn't directed toward me because I can assure you that you are barking up the wrong tree...with that said...you've never met a dominican with haitian parents? Entonces tendra que salir y hablar mas con la gente cuando regreses a la republica caballero.
From: United States, New York City
LOL@jabao
From: Haiti
Cibaeno tranquilo hermano..Ese tipo lo unico que sabe hacer es hablar estupideces. Dejelo.. Of course you wouldn't know legal haitians they live in nice neighborhoods and arent in your marginalised barrios. Common you couldn't figure that's why you never met a legal haitian. Otra pregunta, Can you tell us what a haitian look like. Describe el haitiano? This guy is probably from a small hut town with no running water or electricity that never has been to the capitol and tells everyone he's from santiago because he has lighter hue. Que verguenza
Written by: Lautaro, 18 Mar 2008 1:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
The guy or gal that did his/her "Hate speech BS 101" course indoctrinating Rubirosa with so much garbage certainly passed the course with flying colors. LOL
Written by: Lautaro, 18 Mar 2008 1:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Maybe you'll need to invite him for a cup of Barbancourt or Prestige in order to calm him down, mr. Jabao. :-P
From: Haiti
Buena idea Lautaro. I am going to pray for him and join in because he's hatred is so strong that I can feel it thru the screen and his writing. I get a picture of him foaming at the mouth like detergent in a small apartment in the Bronx that sits on the computer all day planning the big D day and goes out to buy el plato del dia and return to spew diatribes. It is known that these deranged people may become daring and act out there fantasy. If we hear a dominican immigrant running on 168th in boxers with a dominican towel as a cape ,cuchillo en la mano attacking morenos as supuestamente haitains defending la patria, we all know who the culprit is no other than Rubi. Seriously, I just hope he doesn't hurt anyone nor himself. He can become violant in real life and attack someone which would land him in prison and get deported to RD. Yo no quiero ese tipo aqui.
From: United States, Long island, NY
Very narrow minded and "deformed Brains" from people that believe that own the Dominican Republic and are the only ones with the right of opinion.
Cibaeno: I never met a Dominican from "Haitian parents"
For you, Lautaro and Jabao-Haitian your flaw constitution states very clear who is "Haitian"
Same with our constitution that states very clear who is "Dominican" so I'm trying to understand the "3 stooges" obsession on proving the never ending, non sense "Haitian" agenda in Dominican Republic
I guess you guys belong to the same group of the "Elf" Sonia Pierre that promotes a negative agenda with the UN so Haitians take advantage of our system.
From: United States, New York City
You've never met dominicans with haitian parents?!? Diablooo..esos es el colmo caballero..how about some figures from our history?
Luperon-haitian mother, Hereaux-haitian father, Trujillo-Haitian grandmother, Balaguer-Haitian great-grandfather, Peña Gomez-both biological parents were haitian...and these are just from the top of my head. Being of haitian or partial haitian ancestry does not negate the fact that one is dominican (and no, I am not a black dominican, not even a tan one, just a real one)
From: United States, Long island, NY
Cibaeno: maybe the 2nd person that you mentioned due to the last name but,
Balaguer???? Trujillo???
You need to read more Dominican history and I guess this is to show that Haitians are no below Dominicans but to show some "Superiority" where there is none.
Pena Gomez?????? Yes 100% HAITIAN and was raised by one of the "most well known" families in the Dominican Republic.
Maybe You learn your history in Haiti but not in Dominican schools like I did it....
Funny thing about the whole group is when you mentioned Balaguer Haitian "Great grandfather"
I wish to have some time to give You details but it would be a "Waist of time and resources"
At least You try to impress me........................So way to go
From: United States, New York City
"Same with our constitution that states very clear who is "Dominican" so I'm trying to understand the "3 stooges" obsession on proving the never ending, non sense "Haitian" agenda in Dominican Republic"
I have no haitian agenda, I have a dominican one, namely speaking up for my dominican brothers who are being denied papers because of detrimental laws.
From: United States, Long island, NY
(cont) I guess one of the other 2 stooges will comeback with a history book printed in Haiti to back up Your opinions but is too bad that Your people need to downgrade yourselfs to prove superiority
"Non existent" and "Surreal"
From: United States, Long island, NY
Cibaeno: read both constitutions "SLOWLY" and You will find the truth why You don't have a right for legal papers along with the rest of Your people.
The minute that You get a breach to do something that will be the beginning of the destruction of Dominican Republic.
That's why The JCE create the Pink book so We stay on the right course with the international community and the Haitian lover stop messing with our constitution.
Why You people want to violate and disrespect our constitution?? go to europe or Japan and then you have to abide and follow rules, protocols and laws.
See who's going to side with you If you are born in one of these places
From: United States, New York City
Balaguer's great grandfather was haitian, are you denying that?
Y deja de hablar sica, socio, que yo soy dominicano cien por ciento (Y blanco con los ojos azules para que te mueras de la envidia) Ademas, si esta en nuevo york y dudas de mi dominicanidad fijas cita con migo para ver si eres suficiente hombre para decirme semejante cosa en persona.
juanfgerman@netscape.net
Si usted quiere que le salga el diablo comunicase con migo coño.
From: United States, Long island, NY
Cibaeno75: i Do not interact or communicate directly with people that belong to Your class.
Besides you already downgrade yourself the minute that you start using "Foul language"
I do not wish to discuss issues with somebody with a "backwards brain" like yours.
Trying to prove that you have "Blue eyes" does the opposite effect since You are showing a "Mental inferiority pattern"
Regarding the "Man to Man" match is also another sign of inferiority, lack of education, class and civilized principles so If you need somebody to fight with go to a place that You belong to and find out somebody.
From: United States, New York City
"Trying to prove that you have "Blue eyes" does the opposite effect since You are showing a "Mental inferiority pattern"
I don't have to prove it, it is what it is. I just find it interesting how my fellow compatriots who are so obviously touched by Africa's brush are the first to spew forth anti-haitian rhetoric. And please, don't hide your cowardice behind feigned indignation. As for my "class", we helped enormously in establishing the republic, clown. I'm descended directly from Fernando Valerio, a man's who's machete helped found the nationality that you are so proud of in your own ignorant little way. You're probably a few generations removed from haiti yourself along with the other proponents of self hate such as Trujillo and Balaguer.
From: Haiti
Ay mi madre..bueno, muchachos tranquilo. Dejame poner las cosas clara como crystal. Ok let me speak english since it takes Rubi, a while to read and comprehend spanish. Cibaeno75, It is a known fact even illiterates know the people you mention have haitian lineage but I thought Balaguer parents were puerto rican although there are haitians there too that left during la guerra for independence. Rubi, you mean you don't know that Trujillo had haitian lineage and powdered himself up to look lighter. Dude was darker than the haitian president at that time. Pena Gomez is haitian because he is dark skin and according to you less dominican. I can name haitians that are well known and are dominican descent. Cibaeno just be patient with the character he does tick you off but remember he is in the fiction section. Rubi is afraid to meet u because he is a prieto that always get asked for papers and confused for a haitian since he speaks spanglish.
From: United States, New York City
From: Haiti
Rubi, now you want to be politically correct. In la hispaniola blue eyes and white skin dazzles the majority and are envied. Are you sure your dominican? Why mention his class when you told me that it didn't matter? So if you are from the elite class what are you doing in freezing Nueba Yol working hard to take a once a year trip maybe two if propinas are good. Man to Man is the culture here that doesn't necessarily mean duking it out but let's talk cara a cara to see who is real. Cobarde that you are know you place and leave that PC talk for usa. Welcome to Hispaniola. It isn't perfect but it's home to haitians & dominicans. Cibaeno, the guy is trembling typing afraid you might see a prieto with an S-Curl and pass by him. What a character you are Rubi? Get counseling my friend.
From: United States, Long island, NY
Jabao-haitian: your ideas are your self reflection on a mirror, so I will leave who I am to your "Deformed imagination"
I don't need to prove myself or willing to debate my personality since you and the other 2 stooges are the ones pointing out about your mental or personal "Neglections"
Jabao Haitian: you mention the "Ghetto words" and always brag about being educated, being in places, knowing stablished families in DR, speak 4 languages and place me in places and visualize my personality to magnify Your personality.
cibaeno75: trying to be white, blue eyes and macho man doesn't mean nothing since Your opinions are reflecting Your lack of personality.
Lautaro: is promoting the haitian agenda in Dominican Republic and wants to sound mellow and peaceful when in actual reality there is a dark motive to unleash all the cheap "rhetoric" to get a special "Farvoritism" for tha haitian cause.
I keep reading your comments and analyzing your "lack of self love personality
Written by: Lautaro, 18 Mar 2008 3:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
What's next Rubi? Are you going to brand every dominican married with an haitian a traitor to the Republic? If so, then prepare yourself to face an army, old man. Seriously mano, you need serious counselling, because all that your posts have shown until now is that you're suffering from a deep case of inferiority complex.
From: United States, New York City
"cibaeno75: trying to be white, blue eyes and macho man doesn't mean nothing since Your opinions are reflecting Your lack of personality"
First I was haitian and now that I, in a matter-of-fact fashion, described my skin and eye color to you I'm trying to be white. Let's be clear to avoid confusion. The only reason I mentioned that to you is because I've read some of your other posts on here and I've noticed the accolades you give to all things spanish. Know this, I've been to Spain and have walked unnoticed amongst her people, so unnoticed that I was able to hear "private" Spanish opinions on Dominicans and trust me Mr, Rubirosa if you were to hear what I've heard your feelings would be seriously hurt. Deje esos amores pendejos con España que ella no te amaras de vuelta, socio. And I apologize for calling you out. It was uncalled for as was your name calling and insulting my sense of "dominicanidad". If we are to discuss issues let us be civil.
From: United States
If we hear a dominican immigrant running on 168th in boxers with a dominican towel as a cape ,cuchillo en la mano attacking morenos as supuestamente haitains defending la patria, we all know who the culprit is no other than Rubi. Seriously, I just hope he doesn't hurt anyone nor himself. He can become violant in real life and attack someone which would land him in prison and get deported to RD. Yo no quiero ese tipo aqui.
0000
My guts hurts !!!! LOL
From: United States
Ademas, si esta en nuevo york y dudas de mi dominicanidad fijas cita con migo para ver si eres suficiente hombre para decirme semejante cosa en persona
0000
Uhmmm, this Cibaeno guy its very strange !!!!
From: United States, New York City
"Cibaeno: maybe the 2nd person that you mentioned due to the last name but,
Balaguer???? Trujillo???"
Rubirosa, If you're not aware that both these individuals are of haitian descent then I suggest you reread your dominican history, this time SLOWLY.
From: United States
JRRubirosa commented on the disparity of achievement between the haitians and the cubans in south florida, and gave some sort of eureka assessment: the cubans are cut from higher cloth. maybe they are, who knows. however Rubirosa, try on these two possible reasons for size
1) the cubans arrived in the usa with far more money at their disposal to get a headstart in business.
2) they arrived in the usa with the right complexion to make any headway in that era. sixty years ago, not too many black people got too far in business and politics in the good ole usa!!
From: United States, New York City
dreadlock, of course the cubans had advantages that other immigrant groups did not. For one thing the first initial wave of immigrants after the fall of castro all belonged to the upper and upper middle classes. Imagine that, the whole upper class of an entire country immigrating enmasse. That's exactly what happened with the cubans. The subsidies they recieved to reestablish their identities here is unprecedented among immigrant groups, not to mention the fact that cuba's "better sort" had close contact and in some cases intimate ties with US elites going back to well before Castro's rise to power. It is not fair to compare their community in the states to any other. The origin of the Cuban community here in the states has no parallel among other immigrant groups from our region. As such I recognize that cubans have worked hard here like everyone else but it has to be recognized that their immigration has had different dynamics than that of other groups.
From: United States, New York City
dreadlock, of course the cubans had advantages that other immigrant groups did not. For one thing the first initial wave of immigrants after the fall of castro all belonged to the upper and upper middle classes. Imagine that, the whole upper class of an entire country immigrating enmasse. That's exactly what happened with the cubans. The subsidies they recieved to reestablish their identities here is unprecedented among immigrant groups, not to mention the fact that cuba's "better sort" had close contact and in some cases intimate ties with US elites going back to well before Castro's rise to power. It is not fair to compare their community in the states to any other. The origin of the Cuban community here in the states has no parallel among other immigrant groups from our region. As such I recognize that cubans have worked hard here like everyone else but it has to be recognized that their immigration has had different dynamics than that of other groups.
From: United States
cibaeno, i could not have put it as articulately as you did, but i want to go a step further. you said that the cuban emigre contingent was different from any other from our region: i am willing to hazard a guess that it was different from any other immigrant group in the world! just about every group, the italians, the irish, the british west indians, the dominicans, the poles, the jews,and on and on, all came to the usa with the shirts on their backs. the only parallel group i can think of is the new wave of venezuelans who are fleeing to the usa and panama with big money and good education.
I wonder how many Haitians cross into DR each day. This is a start, but if the Dominican authorities are serious about getting the illegal Haitians out, they're going to need a lot more men, time and resources.
With our hearts as Mr Edward said it is ashame to see these human beings deported back to Haiti and those that have been here for generation are in a state of limbo. With someone that respects the law, I have to say that anyone caught illegally and deported have to accept their fate. Im sure many knew the consequences of paying a buscon to get them into the dominican republic illegally. In all I agree with you that this is mostly due to elections and appease to the groups that try to play the haitian scapegoat card. Since on the subject I'm so upset at the NGO's accusing slavery in the dominican republic manipulating the vulnerability of haitians & the poverty in the dominican republic for their personal interest. As long as human rights aren't violated, we have to abide by the rules set. Unfortunately, life isn't fair and some people always get the en dof the stick.
Adding more poverty (Haitians) to a poor country like (DR) only gets the situation worst! It will only engulf DR into the same situation Haiti is in (deforestation, unemployment, prostitution, abnormal births, etc.). If they want better life, the Haitians should go to the U.S.! But the U.S. is deporting its own illegals and at the same time it punishing DR for deporting the illegals Haitians (hypocrates). Illegal immigration is not the answer to irresponsibility, destructive behavior, excessive population growth (beyond the resources), and violating another country sovereignty and laws!
Dominican Republic can't just alone help Haiti when Canada, France and US are doing BS and then blaming Dominicans for being "Nice"
To give You a simple example in the Cibao region Where lots of chickens and eggs companies lost money due to the "Haitian political stupidity" decide that We had a "Zombie" disease in these produce lots of "Haitians" lost their jobs along with "Dominicans"
This said I truly believe that We have to be "realistic" and stop "dreaming" about being "saints" when UN, US, France, Canada and Haiti are pounding, spitting and hating dominicans for being
unfair when Dominican Republic is the only country taking care of Haitians and We still get blamed for a problem that is not our fault but "Haitians and international community"
There is "conspiracy" among the UN and all countries already mentioted before, so what I would love to see at least from everybody else is a sense of responsability and stop once again blaming Dominicans.
I do have my right of opinion and will love to see some kind of solution for Haiti but I don't thingk that nobody cares about this issue other than DR, in the meantime there is a "Strong" feeling among Haitians that Dominicans have to cator and please to their needs, request and crying to the rest of the planet since They feel Dominicans should be wipe out .
Proof of all this mentionet is the most recent "state of the department in US" regarding how "senseless", 'Inhumane" and "Bad" Dominican Republic behaves against "Haitians"
Trying to please everybody on detriment of the Dominican Republic will only be good for Haitians, haiti and the international agenda.
We do need to protect ourselfs and guard the future that will be deliver to the future "Dominicans"
and never let the country "off guard" so everybody else is comfortable and happy when the country will be going backwards and ready to collapse.
Dominican population, our constitution, our future, our well being, our existence, our national security and our economy.
I don't ask for anything else to other than looking up for our wellfare before looking to please everybody else and this is what "Haitians" don't like since They looking for their own well being and at the same time "Dominicans" have the same right to decide what is good for "Quisqueya" before selling out the country to make other nations happy along with haiti goals.
I think you need to leave Rubi alone my friend. The truth of the matter is that, he really loves Haitians. He probably goes home and ask his wife to make him some authentic "Griot avec picklis", he listens to T-Vice and Carimi, he probably says in the shower "Marchon Unis, Marchon Unis", and to top all off, he's probably talking to Nadege right now trying to say,"mwen remen''w cherie".
What is good for Haiti is not necessarily good for "Dominican Republic" "PLAIN AND SIMPLE"
Can you please at least mention something "PROACTIVE" that your country is doing to help its people to improve humane, health and economic issues and I will respect you like a decent person after I get your "Professional" answer.
I will leave my answers to Your "Deformed brain" and I will not give you the pleasure to downgrade myself and debate non-sense information with you.
Once again "Haitians" show the "Brain cells" in people like You, the funny thing is that I don't need to prove myself to You.
I truly believe that your "Haitian Choperia" is taking you "PLACES' when you mentioned that you being in places that maybe I never being.
Find out what "CHOPERIA" is since is a good Dominican "Low Class word" and do something "PROACTIVE" and "CIVILIZED" for your people instead of talking about "Guaguas, barrios and once again choperia" since you are a really "Haitian Chopo"
In Miami 60 something years ago before "Cubans" got to the South part of Miami people from your same class had the chance to prove themselves doing something in a positive way and they never did it.
"BANG" Cubans arrived in the south part of Miami and change the "Modus Vivendi" in terms of progress, grow and dependability.
You see my point "Haitians have never prove themselves worldwide", so this is my criteria to analyze people like you that are always focus on the "Low class" society trying to prove something that is negative and downgrade the "hatians" that are not like you, "I hope so"
We do have Amelia Vega 1st "Dominican Miss universe", Oscar de la Renta, Juan Luis Guerra,
Etc, etc.
Prove me something about your country that international community can recognize, credit and applaud, "PLAIN AND SIMPLE"
And stop "Talking" non sense, non constructive conversations and opinions since it is taking you along with your country to a "Dead end Abyss"
"Love and Peace" and at least have some "Humane decency" and try to be a good example for your people and lead with "Dignity and respect"
So please grow up and try to discipline and teach Your people the right way not the "Wrong Way"
for the better of "Haiti"
Jabao-Haitian didin't challenge me, He is actually behaving like a "Haitian CHOPO" and I don't need to downgrade myself to talk cheap talk.
What has done the Lazy goverment of Haiti for its people???
What have done Haitians to prove themselves???
Maybe You can answer Mr JohnUSA (Creole boy) too???
0000
Only we remove from the homeland Drug dealers, Gangsters, Shoplifters, Convenience store robbers, Pimps, Fraud artist, Human traffickers, killers and cons !!!!!!!!
Well adapted citizens that respect the law and hard working families don't have that problem. !!
Is easy for You and all Haitians and haitians lovers to point out Dominican Republic supposedly "Flaws" when you guys post negative comments.
Still waiting for my answer:
What has the "Lazy" goverment of the Republic of Haiti done for its people to improve conditions??
Guess I will answer myself since you don't have the "Professionalism" to do so.
"Goverment of haiti is looking for international support to punish Dominican Republic for being abusive to the Haitians"
On the other hand same countries that kiss Haiti back don't do Bs or C..p for Haitians.
Itsn't this ironic and meaningless???
What is the Obsession that Your people have with Dominican Republic??
You see my point "Jabao-Haitian" you are the one always talking about same negative and derogative terms" Ghetto, guaguas, getting drunked with brugal, hanky panky and Nueva YOL
So I guess your "PHD" degree is not matching your "mentioned" high class education and family that You belong to.
People that are educated or have some class never "Brag about it" like you need to do.............
Really?? then, are you willing to wager that the mexicans and people from other nationalities daily crossing your borders (and oceans) fleeing from the famine and poverty of their homeland are Drug dealers, Gangsters, Shoplifters, Convenience store robbers, Pimps, Fraud artists, Human traffickers, killers and cons? Do you have the guts to tell them that in their faces? As we dominicans would say: Mano, que cojones los tuyos!!!
FYI the word guagua is supposedly of canary islander origin...it's not a dominicanism....
0000
True !!!
0000
Also True !!!
0000
I can't run on any regular land or pavement "Without Shoes", since I'm an Arian person, Sorry Lautaro.
All dominicans, wherever they reside, have a right to comment on their country of origin, more so than haitians that happen to live there, more so than canadians on this website, come to think of it more so than anybody (after all we ARE dominicans, we just happen to reside abroad). The fact is that dominicans abroad contribute MIGHTILY to the dominican economy...even if we don't reside there year round we are still an indispensable segment of the dominican population. The tourists may one day stop coming, the haitians may one day return to their land of origin , but we dominicans will always be dominicans no matter where we are on this third rock from the sun.
Please calm down and relax. When one uses guagua it is known as caribeño since cubans and puerto ricans use it as well. I am not sure if its origin is from the Canary island which is probably true. It also is used in Peru as well but means a "boy" in the native tongue. So the origins of it is a toss up. I believe we dialogued b4 and find you interesting in your comments. Don't allow you being dominican cloud your brain of my comments towards one silly dominican that generalise haiti in a negative light. Ok, you are dominican de pura sepa wherever you might go and have your rights. Again, haitians,, canadians,americans, europeans living in the DR legally have rights too as much as you have rights living legally in the USA. Can you please answer my question that this character couldn't. How do you feel about haitians living legally in the DR? Your dominican can never be taken away from you but being a silly dominican as Rubi does damage to the image of dominicans
This is my answer MR
I haven't met yet any Haitian that is living in the Dominican Republic other than "Illegally"
Cibaeno: I never met a Dominican from "Haitian parents"
For you, Lautaro and Jabao-Haitian your flaw constitution states very clear who is "Haitian"
Same with our constitution that states very clear who is "Dominican" so I'm trying to understand the "3 stooges" obsession on proving the never ending, non sense "Haitian" agenda in Dominican Republic
I guess you guys belong to the same group of the "Elf" Sonia Pierre that promotes a negative agenda with the UN so Haitians take advantage of our system.
Luperon-haitian mother, Hereaux-haitian father, Trujillo-Haitian grandmother, Balaguer-Haitian great-grandfather, Peña Gomez-both biological parents were haitian...and these are just from the top of my head. Being of haitian or partial haitian ancestry does not negate the fact that one is dominican (and no, I am not a black dominican, not even a tan one, just a real one)
Balaguer???? Trujillo???
You need to read more Dominican history and I guess this is to show that Haitians are no below Dominicans but to show some "Superiority" where there is none.
Pena Gomez?????? Yes 100% HAITIAN and was raised by one of the "most well known" families in the Dominican Republic.
Maybe You learn your history in Haiti but not in Dominican schools like I did it....
Funny thing about the whole group is when you mentioned Balaguer Haitian "Great grandfather"
I wish to have some time to give You details but it would be a "Waist of time and resources"
At least You try to impress me........................So way to go
I have no haitian agenda, I have a dominican one, namely speaking up for my dominican brothers who are being denied papers because of detrimental laws.
"Non existent" and "Surreal"
The minute that You get a breach to do something that will be the beginning of the destruction of Dominican Republic.
That's why The JCE create the Pink book so We stay on the right course with the international community and the Haitian lover stop messing with our constitution.
Why You people want to violate and disrespect our constitution?? go to europe or Japan and then you have to abide and follow rules, protocols and laws.
See who's going to side with you If you are born in one of these places
Y deja de hablar sica, socio, que yo soy dominicano cien por ciento (Y blanco con los ojos azules para que te mueras de la envidia) Ademas, si esta en nuevo york y dudas de mi dominicanidad fijas cita con migo para ver si eres suficiente hombre para decirme semejante cosa en persona.
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Si usted quiere que le salga el diablo comunicase con migo coño.
Besides you already downgrade yourself the minute that you start using "Foul language"
I do not wish to discuss issues with somebody with a "backwards brain" like yours.
Trying to prove that you have "Blue eyes" does the opposite effect since You are showing a "Mental inferiority pattern"
Regarding the "Man to Man" match is also another sign of inferiority, lack of education, class and civilized principles so If you need somebody to fight with go to a place that You belong to and find out somebody.
I don't have to prove it, it is what it is. I just find it interesting how my fellow compatriots who are so obviously touched by Africa's brush are the first to spew forth anti-haitian rhetoric. And please, don't hide your cowardice behind feigned indignation. As for my "class", we helped enormously in establishing the republic, clown. I'm descended directly from Fernando Valerio, a man's who's machete helped found the nationality that you are so proud of in your own ignorant little way. You're probably a few generations removed from haiti yourself along with the other proponents of self hate such as Trujillo and Balaguer.
http://www.idg.org.do/capsulas/noviembre2005/noviembre20055.htm
I don't need to prove myself or willing to debate my personality since you and the other 2 stooges are the ones pointing out about your mental or personal "Neglections"
Jabao Haitian: you mention the "Ghetto words" and always brag about being educated, being in places, knowing stablished families in DR, speak 4 languages and place me in places and visualize my personality to magnify Your personality.
cibaeno75: trying to be white, blue eyes and macho man doesn't mean nothing since Your opinions are reflecting Your lack of personality.
Lautaro: is promoting the haitian agenda in Dominican Republic and wants to sound mellow and peaceful when in actual reality there is a dark motive to unleash all the cheap "rhetoric" to get a special "Farvoritism" for tha haitian cause.
I keep reading your comments and analyzing your "lack of self love personality
First I was haitian and now that I, in a matter-of-fact fashion, described my skin and eye color to you I'm trying to be white. Let's be clear to avoid confusion. The only reason I mentioned that to you is because I've read some of your other posts on here and I've noticed the accolades you give to all things spanish. Know this, I've been to Spain and have walked unnoticed amongst her people, so unnoticed that I was able to hear "private" Spanish opinions on Dominicans and trust me Mr, Rubirosa if you were to hear what I've heard your feelings would be seriously hurt. Deje esos amores pendejos con España que ella no te amaras de vuelta, socio. And I apologize for calling you out. It was uncalled for as was your name calling and insulting my sense of "dominicanidad". If we are to discuss issues let us be civil.
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My guts hurts !!!! LOL
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Uhmmm, this Cibaeno guy its very strange !!!!
Balaguer???? Trujillo???"
Rubirosa, If you're not aware that both these individuals are of haitian descent then I suggest you reread your dominican history, this time SLOWLY.
1) the cubans arrived in the usa with far more money at their disposal to get a headstart in business.
2) they arrived in the usa with the right complexion to make any headway in that era. sixty years ago, not too many black people got too far in business and politics in the good ole usa!!