SOSUA, Dominican Republic. – The local parish priest today said residents here are “alarmed and afraid” as drug trafficking has taken hold of everything and asked “to resume the sense of authority.”
San Antonio de Padua church priest Bernardo Vásquez said individuals dedicated to narcotics traffic and consumption have the control of the community, “because there are places where with the fall of night Police don’t even dare enter.”
He said in an intense shootout Sunday night more than 300 rounds were fired. “This seemed a Vietnam.”
The prelate said people are so scared that church meetings must end at 8 at night because the people are afraid to walk the streets at that hour. “Drug trafficking has the control of Sosúa and this isn’t within the reach of Police”.
He said those linked to drugs “don’t care if they cut anyone’s throat. What’s need is for the authorities to put their pants on.”
Source: elnacional.com.do
Written by: Belial, 28 May 2008 4:15 PM
From: United States, Texas
Drug trafficking is a common predicate today for human trafficking, although lousy bourgeois reactionaries commonly and adamantly argue that people voluntarily march into slavery, forced labor, and sex exploitation.
Sosua needs some committees for the defense of the revolution organized at the block level.
As many as 400,000 committees in Cuba and about 37,000 of them, known as "communal councils" in Venezuela keep tabs on the lumpen agents of the criminal element in the bourgeoisie. The situation in Venezuela is still tough.
But bourgeois state and the bourgeois-controlled church in the DR, alarmed by the glorious proletarian political and social initiative, would order the police and the military, if necessary, to attack the committees defending their communities.
Otherwise, a large group of merciless savages, called US Marines, would move in there again and kill people on a wholesale basis who even appear to be connected with the committees.
Written by: Belial, 28 May 2008 4:22 PM
From: United States, Texas
The clashes in Mexico and Colombia between lumpen-infiltrated law enforcement and the lumpen agents of the criminal element of the bourgeoisie show where the similar "trafficking" struggle in the DR is headed.
But the DR has a way to go before it catches up with Mexico and Colombia in this regard.
Written by: Escott, 28 May 2008 4:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Sosua/Cabrera
What a dumbass you continue to be.
This happened in the Charimicos section of Sosua in case anyone is interested.
Written by: Jander, 28 May 2008 5:28 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Belial =IDIOTA!!! waste my time reading your rubbish..
Escott whats the deal ? is it the foreigners in Sosua creating this market ?
That seems pretty lame that someone has that much fire power and the police or military can't do anything about .
From: United States
belial,
your rantings against the bourgeoisie make me laugh. no one could deny that Karl Marx's theories could have worked if well applied. trotsky in "revolution betrayed" claimed that Marx couldn;t have possibly have Russia in mind when he wrote "Das Kapital",based on the fact that to arrive at communism per se , we should start with capitalism, then socialism. Russia, a feudal country with no real industries, was a bad terrain to experiment communism. Trotsky might be wrong.
Written by: sangwong 
, 28 May 2008 6:34 PM
From: United States
Seems like our trainee Communists are back in town again .. suddenly "Bourgeois" and "Capitalists" appear where there were none before .. did "Common Sense" take a long vacation and left a bunch of clowns in charge? What's so complicated about drug traffickers taking over a sleepy little town in the DR? They are taking over fairly large portions of cities all over the world ..
From: United States
Actually it started in El Batey, I was having dinner at La Costera and at around 9.20 the shots started 20-30 m from the restaurant
Written by: BASTA, 28 May 2008 8:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic, SPM
Legalize !
Written by: Belial, 28 May 2008 10:57 PM
From: United States, Texas
"belial, your rantings against the bourgeoisie make me laugh."
[Or, more precisely, giggle.]
"no one could deny that Karl Marx's theories could have worked if well applied."
[To the contrary, quite a few deny it.]
"trotsky in 'revolution betrayed"'claimed that Marx couldn;t have possibly have Russia in mind when he wrote "Das Kapital",based on the fact that to arrive at communism per se , we should start with capitalism, then socialism."
[You haven't read Marx or Trotsky. Capitalism, in Marx and Trotsky, is only the ideal basis, not the exclusive predicate for socialism.]
"Russia, a feudal country with no real industries, was a bad terrain to experiment communism. Trotsky might be wrong. "
There was more than enough capitalism is Russia to start there.
You are wrong.
Not that Trotsky might be wrong.
Written by: Belial, 28 May 2008 11:20 PM
From: United States, Texas
"Seems like our trainee Communists are back in town again .. suddenly "Bourgeois" and "Capitalists" appear where there were none before .. did "Common Sense" take a long vacation and left a bunch of clowns in charge? What's so complicated about drug traffickers taking over a sleepy little town in the DR? They are taking over fairly large portions of cities all over the world .. "
oooo
I apologize for my "sudden" deviation from your bourgeois prescribed lingo.
Sense rises to surface even if it isnt the "common" brand, manufactured by the capitalist press.
The threat of yet another US invasion, occupation, and genocide against the DR doesn't deter some people from truth and facts even if ignoring the likelihood of another savage US aggression violates "common sense."
Elements of the bourgeoisie depend materially on crime. If these elements don't get their cut of the criminal profits, these crimes will be wiped out in a minute.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
l again those shots you heard were the answer to the question.........If you were locked in a room with our resident communist stooge and Jack the Ripper and Charles Manson and you had a gun with only 2 bullets .....what would you do????....Answer.........SHOOT commie stooge TWICE......why does this little anecdote get edited by DT Jorge straiten this out ...your editor is over reacting again....or he is a lefty stooge...just like those jerks at New York Times....who printed those nice stories about DR
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
the funeral was attended by thousands ...not because they loved him...but because they just wanted to make sure he was gone and not trying to make trouble again
Written by: BLANCO, 29 May 2008 1:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic
can we det the bourgoise commie crap over to the opinion page and keep to the topic
From: Iraq, 10 billion dollars a month for nothing
The topic is if this is happening I believe that Leo is weak in the situation, I would make a military cordon around the town and close it, until the dealers are found. Offering large sums of money for information would also get the people willing to “snitch” or cooperate with the authorities.
You know everyone hear should have respect for any comment posted on the thread, regardless if you agree with it or not. Name calling is a SIGN of childish behavior.
and that means YOU
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
chill what do you think your back in Fallujah....dont you think you might scare the tourists....and get some nice international recognition for Sosua and Cabrete.....like lay down some suppressing fire into that Disco where they are dealing the drugs
From: United States
Clear, the RD Gov is too corrupt to police its own country. The real issue the Priest points out is happening in many places in the RD. I also noted this same situation in Santiago barrios like Los Platanitos (Ensanche Caonabo) where police/DNCD get paid to leave.
The entire system (police, DNCD & judges) have been on the take for so long ...that they have allowed Tigres to grow & accumulate wealth becoming out-of-control. Many now read of Jefe's fears because of criminal threats.
The RD Gov is impotent, greedy, unintelligent thus ineffective via corruption & payoffs that undermine RD society development, education, quality of life & productivity (global competitiveness) from citizens.
What firm would put manufacturing jobs here? Despite the advantage of DR-CAFTA & cheap labor BUT it's better for the US/EU to import far away from China (instead of the RD/Haiti) and waste shipping fuel, time & money.
This conflict of interests is how RD officials like LF gain wealth!
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
JD..everything you said made a little sense until your PRD affiliation started to show....."with this statement
" This conflict of interests is how RD officials like LF gain wealth! "
From: United States
(con't)
I only mention LF as PREZ is utlimately responsible (whoever that is). Do you think Saudi Arabia's Gov would tolerate this incident?
I am neither a leftist or right-wing and honestly can not think of anything that either have done in the past 8 years other than drag the US & RD economy down and put it at greater economic risk without a counter punch plan to offset our oil addiction. There are many people that are "oil men" like myself but we should not put self-interest above those of our country! Even as an Americano born and raised I do love the RD and its culture. It is very sad to see it heading in the path of Haiti!
But, according to the RD ALL political parties the Dominican society or "THE PEASANTS" actually like living like "animals" in poor barrios. Thus, according to the DNCD Notre these people should not expect the police/ DNCD to come to Los Platanitos (Ensanche Caonabo) in Santiago o likely Charimicos section of Sosua. Que Vida!
juan_de_eeuu@hotma
Written by: BLANCO, 30 May 2008 12:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
IF i close my eyes I see nothing...If I stop listening,I hear nothing......however the pain does not go away. no one in that community is going to snitch...to who???? the only person they can talk to in confidence is the priest...FORGIVE ME FATHER FOR I HAVE SINNED..I DIDN'T SNITCH...HOWEVER I WANT TO LIVE..HOW MANY HAIL MARYSTO STAY ALIVE???
From: United States
I just read your answer. i do love the exchange. we r just atarting a discussion. It happened that I've read Totsky and Ehgels and Marx. Discussion is not about insulting each other, rather to come up with arguments and references to make your point. As simple as that. no one is asking u to accept the opinion af any author as a gospel. U have the perfect right to share or to reject it, but your duty is to establish the reasons of your rejection.
From: Netherlands
I also share the concern of priest Bernardo Vásquez about this problem.
Over the time I have seen not only Sosua but the whole country falling in the hands of criminals, which is unacceptable! It is indeed the responsability of the government to protect the country and its people from any types of danger that posts a threat to the society. And so, on behalf of the Dominican people, I call up on the government to show their muscles and proof that they are capable of freeing the country from crime and violence, and to bring those criminals to justice.
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Sosua needs some committees for the defense of the revolution organized at the block level.
As many as 400,000 committees in Cuba and about 37,000 of them, known as "communal councils" in Venezuela keep tabs on the lumpen agents of the criminal element in the bourgeoisie. The situation in Venezuela is still tough.
But bourgeois state and the bourgeois-controlled church in the DR, alarmed by the glorious proletarian political and social initiative, would order the police and the military, if necessary, to attack the committees defending their communities.
Otherwise, a large group of merciless savages, called US Marines, would move in there again and kill people on a wholesale basis who even appear to be connected with the committees.
But the DR has a way to go before it catches up with Mexico and Colombia in this regard.
This happened in the Charimicos section of Sosua in case anyone is interested.
Escott whats the deal ? is it the foreigners in Sosua creating this market ?
That seems pretty lame that someone has that much fire power and the police or military can't do anything about .
your rantings against the bourgeoisie make me laugh. no one could deny that Karl Marx's theories could have worked if well applied. trotsky in "revolution betrayed" claimed that Marx couldn;t have possibly have Russia in mind when he wrote "Das Kapital",based on the fact that to arrive at communism per se , we should start with capitalism, then socialism. Russia, a feudal country with no real industries, was a bad terrain to experiment communism. Trotsky might be wrong.
[Or, more precisely, giggle.]
"no one could deny that Karl Marx's theories could have worked if well applied."
[To the contrary, quite a few deny it.]
"trotsky in 'revolution betrayed"'claimed that Marx couldn;t have possibly have Russia in mind when he wrote "Das Kapital",based on the fact that to arrive at communism per se , we should start with capitalism, then socialism."
[You haven't read Marx or Trotsky. Capitalism, in Marx and Trotsky, is only the ideal basis, not the exclusive predicate for socialism.]
"Russia, a feudal country with no real industries, was a bad terrain to experiment communism. Trotsky might be wrong. "
There was more than enough capitalism is Russia to start there.
You are wrong.
Not that Trotsky might be wrong.
oooo
I apologize for my "sudden" deviation from your bourgeois prescribed lingo.
Sense rises to surface even if it isnt the "common" brand, manufactured by the capitalist press.
The threat of yet another US invasion, occupation, and genocide against the DR doesn't deter some people from truth and facts even if ignoring the likelihood of another savage US aggression violates "common sense."
Elements of the bourgeoisie depend materially on crime. If these elements don't get their cut of the criminal profits, these crimes will be wiped out in a minute.
You know everyone hear should have respect for any comment posted on the thread, regardless if you agree with it or not. Name calling is a SIGN of childish behavior.
and that means YOU
The entire system (police, DNCD & judges) have been on the take for so long ...that they have allowed Tigres to grow & accumulate wealth becoming out-of-control. Many now read of Jefe's fears because of criminal threats.
The RD Gov is impotent, greedy, unintelligent thus ineffective via corruption & payoffs that undermine RD society development, education, quality of life & productivity (global competitiveness) from citizens.
What firm would put manufacturing jobs here? Despite the advantage of DR-CAFTA & cheap labor BUT it's better for the US/EU to import far away from China (instead of the RD/Haiti) and waste shipping fuel, time & money.
This conflict of interests is how RD officials like LF gain wealth!
" This conflict of interests is how RD officials like LF gain wealth! "
I only mention LF as PREZ is utlimately responsible (whoever that is). Do you think Saudi Arabia's Gov would tolerate this incident?
I am neither a leftist or right-wing and honestly can not think of anything that either have done in the past 8 years other than drag the US & RD economy down and put it at greater economic risk without a counter punch plan to offset our oil addiction. There are many people that are "oil men" like myself but we should not put self-interest above those of our country! Even as an Americano born and raised I do love the RD and its culture. It is very sad to see it heading in the path of Haiti!
But, according to the RD ALL political parties the Dominican society or "THE PEASANTS" actually like living like "animals" in poor barrios. Thus, according to the DNCD Notre these people should not expect the police/ DNCD to come to Los Platanitos (Ensanche Caonabo) in Santiago o likely Charimicos section of Sosua. Que Vida!
juan_de_eeuu@hotma
Over the time I have seen not only Sosua but the whole country falling in the hands of criminals, which is unacceptable! It is indeed the responsability of the government to protect the country and its people from any types of danger that posts a threat to the society. And so, on behalf of the Dominican people, I call up on the government to show their muscles and proof that they are capable of freeing the country from crime and violence, and to bring those criminals to justice.