Why doesn't "Lie-onel" Fernandez talk about these projects!

I guess he lost the votes of this neighborhood.

PLD improvisation at it best, more overcrowding in La Capital!

This is the clearest example of the lack of urban planning you can find.

It appears the "great" PLD Mayor of Santo Domingo is just another little corrupt politician!


Read: on

http://www.listin.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=58095

Josean if you could post once a positive comment!!!! That would be great... always trying to bring something to bash the good news....

Josean: Help Your country instead, Your opinions are always unwelcome.

Some people specialise in telling what you want to hear others like to point out what you need to hear!

MrDom

States:

"Josean if you could post once a positive comment!!!! That would be great... always trying to bring something to bash the good news...."

Translation:

Josean why dont you drink the spin Kool Aid from the PLD and "Lie-onel Fernandez and believe everything they tell you like the rest of us!

Do not you see how great our educational system is, our hospitals, our roads, our electrical services, our social services, our police, our crime rate, our water supply, our sewers, our tuberculosis rate, our low rate of prostitution, our unemployment rate, come get with the program, E' Palante que Vamos!

josean please give me the name or names of the person that you think will run the country better than leonel. and please do not do not name yourself.

electricity and education are 100% better that when hipolito your favor was in power so is collecting the trash.

bernies

"electricity and education are 100% better that when hipolito your favor was in power so is collecting the trash."

Now there is a performance standard to judge your performance against Hipolito, give me a break.

Thats how low you think of "Lie-onel" comparing him to Hipolito?

"josean please give me the name or names of the person that you think will run the country better than leonel. and please do not do not name yourself."

Guillermo Moreno, Senator Brito of Santiago, and my moto concho driver!

Bernie josean is the nephew of the hippo I believe ...via his seed misspent...... the confusion in that group is massive confusion on Fathers day

josean you are sick. have you had a look of our current economic when the rest of the world is going though hell we are making it without having people fighting for food. I lived here during those years and let me tell it wasn't easy. hipolito pay off all his friends when the baninter bank crashed which was against the law. anyone that has more then 500k in a bank that crash it needs to wait a least five year to get its money but hipolito disregards that and paid then off. And now that is the reason why eveything when up eggs when from 1 peso to 5 pesos so did everything else.

Don't you think it's a good thing to have the city renovated so the tourist get to visit the city?
I liked what I saw last year compared to what I saw about three years ago.
Remember, talking about an underdeveloped country from 2003 reconstructed in 2008; NYC WTC: 2001 and the only thing still there is a big hole.

JCjua....we apologize for josean he keeps forgetting to take his thorazine

Years 2000, 2001 and 2002 when most countries where going through economical crisis. DR was enjoying an economical growth mostly due to tourism. Puerto Plata was in the middle of it all.

thank you JCjua and gouletcolonial. josean is looking for votes for vargas. let me tell something about vargas he went in to polictics because he was going to be put in jail for all the money that he stoled and the last administration and he cannot be prosecuter because it will look like polictics motivate it. what a guy he is going to have to answer some questions when this is all over and it is not going to be good for him.

We should appreciate the things that come out of a political race. The Dominican community should learn to use the potential of a political race.

this is to you josean lonely planet....We should appreciate the things that come out of a political race. The Dominican community should learn to use the potential of a political race

The Park looks really nice now, i must admit, but walk a couple blocks down, Talking about the Ghetto. lol

But who cares right, just as long as we have a unnecessary reconstructed Park.

To all the Disluusional Folks, up in here, if you really believe, that the economy is booming in DR, compare to U.S. , and other countries. Pack your bags, and move on down, lol better have your piggy bANKS fill up to the max though, cause shit is p-r-e-t-t-y expensive, and you better have a plan to open a small business, cause to work, for only 4,000 pesos a month wont cut it for ya. LMAO Dios Ayudanos Por Favor

I must say, Leonel may not be the best president, but he is doing a pretty good job in trying to make DR look like top destination in the carribean. The only question is how many bonafide dominicans and their communities are being prepared for the the future? It is a question I have because I personally think that in a decade or two, the inequality gap will grow to a point where the poor may start taking matters on their own hands. And education won't increase as much to provide DR with a large number of skilled laborers. Maybe I am wrong, but just wanted to know other people's opinions on this issue.

time2rize,
You have to come out of the box.

Discovery had a special on France last night. It seems to me behind every city there is another side.

Read about what's going on in El Salvador. The colon is out and the currency being used is the dollar. You can just imagine what comes out of that.

The economy is not good around the world, not just DR. We are actually doing good.

JCjua

lol, oh im out of the box alright, you dont read me, brown nosing leonel AND SWALLOWING ALL, that the Media throws at us, instead you read me, giving you the facts, of everyday living in DR, and not what the MediA and others want You to believe.

Turn off the Tube Son, and come on down to DR, to live not to visit, like a tourist, an face Reality.

And here you go, and glue yourself to this Tube:

Poverty in the Dominican Republic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIDsU9-lU84

A quick tour through the poverty in this Dominican community
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q78o3D4dxTo&feature=related

JCjua, Please reply to Anonymous, question, i will love to read your answer.

pay no attention to these lefty socialists who want to redistribute the wealth in a similar style to Mugabe in zimbabwe....They would toast the economy real fast and even worse than the hippo and his 38 thieves Cjua

gouletcolonial,

Kind of like the Right-wing capitalists, are doing to the World ?

Here you go JCjua and gouletcolonial, Maybe you can volunteer as an Adult

Dominican Republic, Caribbean Mission Trip
June 14 to July 14, 2008

http://www.adventures.org/a/trips/level3/2111.htm

To all who have posted their valid opinions here, each one with their points of view,
there is no country in the world who have and will always have the ultra rich, the rich, the "so-called" middle class, the poor and the very poor.
I am old enough to have seen governments of three different parties in our country only increase all those cathegories, none being better than the other and all as bad as the next.
Believe me through the years, the poor have gotten poorer and the rich richer, why I say this?,
to be honest, I have grown pesimistic that any one, no matter who is, will ever do something to bring some needed relieve and some equality in all the differente classes of our country, and any other country for that matter. It has been proven that no political system works properly, when the interest of a small group are over the rest of the population.

actually, Josean, your stance against the metro is something i wholeheartedly support, although you sometimes take a bashing for it. i chanced to read a piece of information which stated that the power delivery to the metro will require the burning of 50, 000 gallons of fossil fuels daily. let´s crunch some numbers, using the best possible case scenarios. leonel says that the metro will carry 200, 000 people per day. there are no studies to substantiate such blatant optimism, but let us consider that figure for purposes of analytical economy. the subway line is 9 miles long. let us assume that everybody rides it the whole length, and forget about those who ride it for only two or three stops. elementary short division reveals that for every gallon of fuel burnt, we move 4 people a distance of nine miles....again, best possible case scenario. if the ridership is ,say, 100,000 per day, then we burn a gallon of diesel to move 2 people a possible nine miles. to me, carritos are more

fuel friendly, given the math. if the figure of 50,000 is incorrect, someone with superior knowledge please correct me. if it is correct, it doesn´t look too good, does it?

JrRubirosa... Take conform in the fact that Josean and his Hatian gang only talk about about us, cuz they hate and envy us...

dreadlocks,

Not only that, but the fact, that diesel produce AIR PPOLLUTION and high sulfur levels.

Also carritos normally use, Propane Gas, since its much cheaper.

you are absolutely correct, time2rize. diesel fuel produces some of the most toxic and irritating levels of pollution of all burnt fuels. in some states in the Usa, you cannot buy a new diesel car today; it is against the law to sell them. i remember when the mercedes 220 d was all the rage in new york; everybody had one, because you could not kill them, they gave good mileage, and diesel was relatively cheap. then they stopped the importation, because they were killing the air people were expected to breathe. on the contrary, the carritos largely burn propane, which emits far lower levels of toxic hydrocarbons. please, supporters of the Metro, do not get incensed because we make these observations; we are only stating facts, which we did not invent!

time2rize,
I believe you succeed as long as you strive. And that is the engine of your goal. Yet asking me to visit the impoverished communities in DR will not prove me wrong. But for your own sake lets say when I visit I get literally dirty. And that you can take to the extent of your box.
Hint, the answer to anonymous question is included.

Its a damm shame, that all these Metro supporters, cannot step up to the Plate, and answer the question. Please Enlighten us.

They could only respond with:

JrRubirosa... Take conform in the fact that Josean and his Hatian gang only talk about about us, cuz they hate and envy us...

dreadlocks,
Do you have any links where you estimates are coming from?
Santo Domingo's population is about 2.5 million. You will be moving more than 100k people a day.
I am not a Metro backer, but the thing is already built. For more that you want to cry it's not going away.

Awesome!...but I disagree with using public funds for churches. Let the Vatican and private donations take care of that!

About the Vatican,
I don't think they are giving economical help anymore. I think they are going back to the diezmo.
One reason they did that was to make up for all the richness taken away from the indigenous inhabitants of old Quisqueya. they gave them gold now we get back churches.
Lets just say at least we got something back. Or didn't we. (added something because somehow the number of characters left were 666)

dread,

Glad to read your thought provoking commentary.

The points you make are very compelling for persons who have an objective point of view. My basic issue is that the METRO was the wrong, project at the wrong time. I am sure we could argue about better systems, over ground, underground, monorail etc.

However, with education being the shape it is in, I sincerely feel this was a criminal act to spend our limited resources in this feel good project.

We must be the laughing stock of the world.

The must say:

Look the Dominicans have on average have a 2.5 hour school day when the Japanese send thier kids to school, in some cases, 7 days a week;

They have inconsistent electrical services in the modern day economy where you can not compete without this vital resource and they want to be global competitors!

Who is running that Asylum!

actually, JCJua, the estimates of which you speak are the projections offered by the metro authority; i did not make this stuff up. and what does the size of the population have to do with how many people the subway moves per day? how do you arrive at your estimate of over 100,000? what co-efficients do you use to arrive at your figure? it is not a matter of simple arithmetic, but the number of people transported by any public transportation system is subject to several variables. i have already explained some of this before, but,if you wish to ventilate the issue further, i will go over it again. los angeles has over 10 million people if all the suburbs are factored in, yet their subway moves 133,000. get the picture?

theres an apples to volkswagens comparison......no picture yet

Try this in your metro caculations http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/10....1210403078-8JVbNJ0SX4N66wgl2Lle1Q todays new york times mass transit surges ...are you now getting the picture

Wow I am impressed, you are now reading the New York Times; what I thought you would consider it a liberal left wing commie rag!

Political opportunism make strange bed fellows, becarfull Caracas has a METRO also!

so does P.R. but they have not been using it very much because most people have autos there ...with the price of fuel I suppose that will change.....its only the editorial part of the Times that sux otherwise its the paper of record

Josean most agree the metro was ill concieved and their was no transparency in its bidding ....I also screamed about the idiocy of this project....how ever it may still require us to eat our words due to other circumstances...ie less pollution and less sindicato and less traffic among others ....let us hope for the best

Look G your statement:

"Josean most agree the metro was ill conceived and their was no transparency in its bidding ....I also screamed about the idiocy of this project" is good and I would add poorly planned.

The reason being, as I have stated on many occasions, is that this METRO as well as any development projects in the CAPITAL are ill-conceived if you do not address the national economic dislocation that forces people to move there; because that is the only hope for upper mobility on the economic ladder.

THE METRO is not the issue it is the poor national economic planning and coordination.

Traffic jams are not the disease they are the sub-symptoms, of the symptom overcrowding. The disease is poor economic development strategies and models that assign resources to respond to narrow interest at the expense of the broader needs.

God if the METRO was the cure I would dig the holes myself with my bare hands!

continues:

Now, G I am dumb peasant and I am not stating anything brilliant or that others do not know. If it is obvious to me with a sub par IQ certainly Lionel knows this dam it!

He’s a smart man he knows what DR needs is a strategic long term development plan. He has the gift of gab he could us that gift to rally the masses behind him to fight off the very real and powerful interest that want to keep DR exactly the way it is and functions because it benefits them.

But he sold out he did what they have all done before taken the path of least resistance y deja cojer lo mio!

This is why I am so hard on Lionel he has gift and was given two opportunities and could have done so much to institutionalize strategic economic planning, but he took the easy way out he sold us down the same river like ALL (except Dr. Bosch) the others before him have. He does not deserve another chance there is no qualitative difference between him other major candidates.

I was stunned by the decision to build the metro....I laughed out loud at my Dominican friends who looked on this with pride....But I also expected a replay of the BIG DIG in Boston and a disaster out shadowing Baninter...;.the final price tag has not been told and I am holding my breath...But I also thought Lionel had a vision and am disappointed But there could be some very positive things happening because of this inevitable Metro...so maybe I am in denial but I await the total outcome in 3 years....If it changes certain patterns of behavior and thought it will make a positive from a negative

G

"El palo que nace doblado hamas se enderesa. Guineo maduro no vuleve a verde!"

I hope your right, there are a lot of "curatos" in them there holes!!

Josean ..have a good day

Godspeed!

why does that cost so much ? I guess it's the sawer system.

gouletcolonial, whenever you seek to respond to my articles solely in order to show me up, it behooves you to do two things. firstly try to read them carefully, and comprehend them if you can. at no time in this thread, or any other for that matter, have i ever made any estimates or calculations of how many people the metro will carry on a daily basis. i was trained as an economic analyst by the world bank, and, as such, do not have your luxury of making unfounded and unsubstantiated arguments. without the access to Geographic Information Data, which will explain the demographics of the catchment are of the train, i cannot offer any estimates or guesstimates, as i have nothing upon which to base my assertions. since i do not operate like you, i do not toss unresearched nonsense out there, hoping no one will notice. there are too many intelligent people waiting to take me to task, a group which excludes you. secondly, alerting me to an article which describes the response to rising

Another breath of hot air from pompous wind bag

gasoline prices in the usa does nothing to address the situation here. there is a concept in the field of analysis called CETERIS PARIBUS, which mean äll things being equal¨. in order for a stimulus to have the same result in one or more situations, all the factors have to be the same. in certain cities, a rise in the price of gasoline will not bring about a rise in ridership of public transportation, because of the law of diminishing returns. nobody is going to leave his car at home and take a train which stops six miles from his job! it all depends upon the layout of the city and the coverage area of the trains and buses. secondly, the cultural dynamics are in play; europeans have been buying mini and micro cas for the longest while , in response to the high cost of fuels. dominicans, on the other hand, who live in even less affluent conditions, keep buying gas guzzling SUVs. because of the importance of appearances in the dominican society, people sacrifice in order to look good.

your intellect is no match for your verbosity ....when the world bank dismissed you then what? back to teaching elementary school in Bed Stuy

in london, people ride scooters in saville row suits; no well heeled dominican would be caught dead on a passola. so, goulet, before you seek to make your infantile and vindictive posts, consider the fact that you learn more when you open your eyes and ears, and shut your mouth.

Dominicans sacrifice to look good...is that how you really feel about your Latino brothers

yes, goulet, teaching elementar school in bed stuy. for me , that is more honorable than being a loanshark and sluimlord who buys food stamps at pennies on the dollar....but then again, some of us do not know what honor is!

Goulet, your transparent attempt to divide and conquer is as old as time, and all played out. you need only ask dominicans how important it is to make a good impression by appearances. i did not invent the phenomenon. you will not alarm dominicans by your silly little references..they see you for what you are.

in London they ride scooters in saville row suits in Paris they ride biycles....so what...are we to be impressed with your worldliness ...whichever school that hired you to teach in the DR made a huge mistake..anyway get over it you are a verbose tourist now

i retracted my statement about you being an aficionado of slavery, but now i retract my retraction. if it walks like a duck and quacks like one, it might very well be one. your naked attempt to drive a wedge between myself and latinos is typical of slavemasters. in order to rule the victims, they would set them up to fight among themselves, so they would not provide a united front against injustice and oppression. you have learned well from your mentors of history. sadly for you, slavery has been abolished in many countries, but ,if you do your research well, you will find some areas still have lax regulations regarding human bondage.the aforementioned might be well to your liking.

I have not addressed you for sometime...but you want to start up again ..we can ...and since you brought it up I will refresh something you already know about Latinos and Blacks.....Puerto Rico democratic primary...Obama who you refer to as a bum ....will get beat like an Iraqui prisoner like a drum,like a baby seal.....says volumes does it not....." Hillary wins the Puerto Rico primary - which, one assumes, will be largely made up of Hispanics - the public debate will switch from White-Black voting patterns to Hispanic-Black voting patterns. " I promise to keep you posted .....They are going to beg her to drop out so that the animosity is not exposed between these two groups....thats politics ...I dont need to drive any wedges dread ..it is there

how do you explain Obama´s showing in New Mexico and arizons among hispanics? hispanics are not a solid bloc of people, any more than any other ethnic group is. the miami cubans are firmly republican because they have never forgiven john kennedy for the botched bay of pigs invasion, and also because, perhaps, the democratic party is too close to ¨the morenos¨. the same applies to the puerto ricans, but mexicans and dominicans are a little more astute, and will not always vote against their interests. they realise that republicans are only interested in the wealthy and big corporations. idiots on the right refer to the democratic party as tax and spend. at least they tax in order to raise revenue needed to run a country. the republicans give tax breaks to the wealthy, then end up with a 9.4 trillion dollar deficit, a dollar that is worth nothing, rampant unemployment and job flght, and general poverty everywhere. hispanics would rather return this gang of losers to power than vote for

a black presidential candidate, even if they end up in the poor house. surely a wedge is there, but not because black people want one; it is the way hispanics perceive people of color that is at the root of this divide. you recognise that it is, and you do all decent people a disservice by trying to exacerbate the condition with your remarks.

I will leave you to your opinion dread...but these are issues and problems to be solved not exacerbated....you I believe want a monolithic separatist thing of color to kick whiteys you know what

quite the contrary, Goulet. i only want to kick whitey´s butt when he deserves to have it kicked. when decent white people conduct themselves with a conscience , i respect them unequivocally. you seem to have this misbegotten belief that i am on the same side of the fence as al sharpton and jesse, etc...not! these guys have made untold millions from racial hustles, and have set back the black cause 100 years. i did not shed any tears when johnnie cochran died, because i held him out to be the lowest scum in recent times for his ploy to save that morally bankrupt piece of garbage o j simpson. but when white folks come to the dr and walk around looking at people with disdain and contempt, and try to exclude dominicans from living in certain areas, and from using their own beaches, then i am forced to wonder if they do not know where the airport is! when guys tell me that they do not want to attract dominicans to their places of business, i suggest to them that they should set up shop

elsewhere. i have never met a dominican club owner in new york who says he does not play rock music because he does not want white people in his club. have you met any such people in your travels? i have frequented many night spots in brooklyn, etc, which are owned by blacks, and which have primarily black clientele. when white folks enter, nobody bothers them; they are allowed to do their own thing. yet we still have places all over the world where blacks and other minorities are denied access. what the heck is that, i ask you?

dread as I have told you before I have some black friends { believe it or not} who come to Casa to play golf they are quite succesful and stay in villas they talk of exactly the same things as you have just mentioned they are astounded annoyed and sometimes ashamed by the behavior of the outsiders mostly white who come to the DR...for Dominicans the resolution is generational and educational.....I have lived in The Caribbean over 30 years and there is no percentage telling people this is the way we do it back home...you will be resented for it..I am quick to remind a forgiener who acts badly we are guests in their country.....Racial discrimination is not fair...I love my daughter more than anything in the world...she is of colour I fear for her and her future and pray she will overcome ...she is beautiful and wears her hair naturel which is unusual here in The DR but she has overcome the stares of others and is quite pleased with herself.....Dread in my opinion

the answer to this is....ITS THE ECONOMY..... that is what will float all boats....I hope Obama is for real and can make things better between the races but there are many other things to consider besides race if he has what it takes he will have to prove it...You obviously love the DR very much or you would not spend so much time posting here ...good luck

Dred you are softening G!

He has just moved to the Clinton camp, "ITS THE ECONOMY stupid!"

A few more post from you and G will become an Obamanite.

Rush Limbaugh is going to be after you Dred, for deprogramming one of his soldiers!

what the hell, Josean. just want Goulet to know how embarrassed i get when black folks come down here with the swagger and conduct themselves like they think they are special. you see, Goulet, when i referred to the loathsome behavior of foreigners, i do not recall qualifying it by color. i have seen some of the most ignorant black people who believe that because they are in a third world country they can do whatever they wish. i witnessed a brooklyn thug wannabe trying to get into the Jaragua dressed in a tanktop one night. the security explained to him that there was a dress code, to which the neanderthal replied ¨dress code in the dominican republic?¨. it is these types who boil my blood, and i do not give a rat´s behind ( to borrow a phrase from my idol, Judge Judy Scheindlin) if they are white , black, green or candy striped!

Dread if you are presently in NY you must be vicariously taking pride in the Tony nominations I know I am ....this is truly wonderful that this young man is going to make such an impact on the American stage....Although he is of Puerto Rican Heritage all Latinos of the Spanish Antilles can take pride in this geographical cultural treasure ..... El Alto that is for taking them to its bosom for the last 80 years....just imagine it will soon be the fashion to go restaurant an bar hoping there http://www.gourmet.com/magazine/2000s/2007/09/elalto With Junot Diaz and his Pulitzer and now "the Heights" white bread is learning there is more to the Islands than baseball players......Incidentally "Capeman " was also excellent but ahead of its time

sadly Goulet, for the ¨white breads¨to whom you refer, the dominican republic is not baseball players; it is chicas. i include in that list of baked goods the wholewheat version also, the brothers who can sometimes be even more unsettling. i would not mind if foreigners saw the dominican republic as a source of baseball players, because that produces only innocuous, and sometimes laudatory, stereotypes. but when they see the country as the land of loose and amoral women, they rankle me.sadly, the majority of foreigners who come here never venture into the upper echelons of dominican society. because of language barriers, they cannot communicate at any meaningful level; their spanish vocabulary is restricted to one liners such as ¨donde esta el bano, otra cerveza por favor, and vamos a mi habitacion.¨ they cannot have any meaningful intellectual interchange with the cibaeños and Lautaros and Baldorias who do not speak english. so they find their female companions in seedy bars

and speakeasies. they judge all dominicans by the habits of these lower echelon social types, girls who are functionally illiterate, spend a third of their lives in the salon, a third playing with their cellphones and the other third looking for gringo; actually, the three fractions are intertwined. so these weak minded foreigners are unable to make the distinction between girls they find in a bar, and dominicans who attend the opera on a regular basis. it is this blatant stupidity, and its concomitant disrespect of dominicans, that has me writing these vitriol laced articles levelled against the idiosyncracies and vicissitudes of some of the crud we have to abide here!