SANTO DOMINGO.- The Central Electoral Board (JCE) yesterday said pressure groups and social organizations are behind a campaign against it, aimed at jeopardizing the security of the Dominican identity, facilitating birth certificates and identity cards irregularly to foreigners, especially Haitians.
Aside from trying to get the documents fraudulent issued, the groups and organizations, which weren’t identified by name, accused the electoral court in several fronts for allegedly violating the Dominican Constitution and Laws, when it doesn’t give in to their demands.
The situation has reached the point that the problem with the supplanting of cedulas and birth certificates obtained by Haitian citizens has turned into a political issue, said JCE Administrative Chamber president Robert Rosario in a press conference.
The electoral judge said the court’s functions don’t include establishing or defining State policies regarding nationality and immigration, rather the executor of public policies and it’s forbidden to transgress them.
He mentioned the cases of the citizens Nuny Angra Luis and Emildo Bueno Oguis, in which it was verified they were declared with fraudulent documents, and yet have taken their cases to justice. "After a meticulous investigation on both cases was concluded, it was determined that in the issuing of those documents serious violations of the registry and penal laws were committed."
Other cases revealed
Rosario said the JCE obtained a 5-year sentence against an ex- official in Azua (south) accused for issuing birth certificates and other Civil Registrar documents fraudulently to Dominicans, whereas another official in Moca (north) will spend 3 years in prison for other irregularities.
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
Imagine the uproar that occur if the US denied to give birth certificate to all those Latino children whose parents were illegal.
Written by: buenoha, 19 Jun 2008 8:16 AM
From: Netherlands, Amsterdam
The DR should maintain and even sharpen its immigration laws in order to stay the DR.
Haitian children born from their illegal parents in the DR should get their Haitian passports. Nobody can enforce their will upon us. Let Haitians be Haitians and Dominicans be Dominicans.
From: United States
Why Haitians don't stop being "dumbs", They know better both consitutions and once again every country has a different constitution (Worldwide).
There is many conuntries in europe that do the same like Dominican Republic and nobody says anything about it.
Besides it Haitians hate Dominicans so much why They bother in tying to get Dominican Citizenship.
Haitians are quite annoying and tiresome with this issue>
FYI: I know You know both constitutions so STOP>..........
From: United States
(Cont)
Recently the european union will start deporting illegals in europe and nobody says anything about it on this blog.
Haitians are abusing the freedom in Dominican Republic to impose their hidden agenda
to destroy our constitution and foundation with this non sense birth documents.
If They don't like comeback to Haiti and complain to Your lazy senators.
Written by: Lautaro, 19 Jun 2008 8:55 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Actually Rubi, for once in your life, you are being lenient with something, because the case in the European Union is more serious than what you have said, by the fact that, at the last meeting of the european ministers, the Union agreed to start deporting LEGAL inmigrants, not just the illegal ones, from this year onwards, because of the unemployment rates now afflicting the european countries. I wonder what will be their excuse for attacking us in this once they start doing that, because, last I heard, our own unemployment rates were bigger than the ones from all those countries combined, plus, we don't have the benefit of posessing the wealth of former colonial holdings to which to fall back once the crisis afflicting world markets hits us full swing.
http://www.clavedigital.com/Portada/Articulo.asp?Id_Articulo=14197Written by: rom1804 
, 19 Jun 2008 9:35 AM
From: Zimbabwe
Bad Boys Bad Boys! What ya gonna do what ya gonna do when they come for you.
Bad Boys Bad Boys! What ya gonna do what ya gonna do when they come for you.
Bad Boys Bad Boys! What ya gonna do what ya gonna do when they come for you.
Rubi Baby have you ever stop and think and say: Gee why are these people (i.e the IC's) are so eager to get Haitians legalize in DR. Why are they helping the Haitian? Are they helping the Haitians out of the goodness of their heart or is their a hidden agenda? Why you are busy Hating the Haitians the IC's are scheming in the background to create a one Island government. They already have our side and they are coming for yours next. Are you and I going to keep fighting our nonsense battles or are we going to find out what they are up to.
From: Haiti
This is a very delicate situation. My issue with this is that only one nationality is being targeted while others are welcomed. Doesn't other nationals hurt the identity of dominicans or is it just Haitians? Besides, what is the dominican identity sense it is a very multiracial and doesn't have a guideline of what it is to be dominican. Or is there some sort of prerequisite to claim who is dominican or not. With the two plaintiffs that won there case how can they have proof of them obtaining fraudulent papers and still have won the case in the dominican courts? Besides this law was implemented in 2004 and present. Why are dominicans nationals cases retroactive which what I find very bias? Haitian constitution doesn't recognise these descendants because they were not born on haitian soil. Thanks to american drafting the 87 constitution there are contradictions. One stating all haitians born of haitians parents are haitian yet dual citizenship isn't recognised.
From: United States
Room1804:
Love Your thinking, guess the 18 century DNA running in Your blood is taking You places.
Guess You will do with sticks, machetes, dirt cookies and vodoo.
Right???
From: Haiti
I blame both countries for this obvious mess. Thanks to the "macuteo" that is prevalent alot of fraudulent papers were obtained. Now what about the haitians that are legit with proper documents that have children in the DR? Anyway, this group I doubt want to obtain dominican national since they are well off and don't give it importance. Both government need to sit down and come to some sort of agreement b4 the NGO's have there way. Let's try to have a respectful debate please. For once. There is a big problem and this people are countryless..Neither dominican nor haitian..It really bothered me the young prospect baseball player that saw his dreams disappear due to politics. He definitely would of represent DR like all the other baseball players. Besides, there are dominicans of haitian descent in MLB..one I can think is which is obvious is "Pierre"..I forgot what team he plays for now..
Written by: Lautaro, 19 Jun 2008 9:50 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Well, Jabao, the most common excuses that you can find with the common joe on the streets are: 1) Sheer numbers, the other nationalities combined do not make a third of the number of haitian inmigrants living in the country, and 2) The majority of the inmigrants from other nationalities are either wealthy, better off economically, or, if the former doesn't hold, have at least an astounding degree of academical knowledge to apply in order to find an acceptable job on the country (as it's the case of the cuban inmigrants or, as of lately, some central americans). They're nasty and unpleasant, but this is what the public believes (or at least the majority that I have queried on this).
Written by: Lautaro, 19 Jun 2008 9:52 AM
From: Dominican Republic
The player that you're referring is Felix Pierre (or Pié as it's commonly misspelled), and he's playing with the Cubs (although he would be send to Triple A league, because, although his defense is outstanding, his batting average leaves a lot to be desired).
From: Haiti
Lautaro, I am thinking of you when I post because too many nonsense is going on but this is a big issue. Why is it that DR is being targeted so much? I fear that they are trying to merge the island for cheap labour and textile factories? Both nations need to sit down and resolve this issue.
Written by: Lautaro, 19 Jun 2008 9:58 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Yeah, I've been thinking that too, lately. Imagine, this might be an essay for the western world in order to find the trump card that would allow them to compete on adequate terms with the chinese textile factories (although not by much, because the chinese working regime can't possibly be equalled, by the fact that it's so harsh and unforgiving that it's tartamount to plain slavery).
From: Haiti
Lautaro,There is indeed influx of illegal haitian immigrants on dominican soil and I am for deportation in a human manner where there cell phones, and other personal belongings are not stolen right b4 they are dumped at the frontier. The other immigrants claiming to be more educated and wealthy is bull. There many dirt poor illegal ecuadarians,colombians,peruvians, chinese living in the DR they are trying to get by just like illegal haitians. There are also average agentinians,paskistanis, that are illegal and obtain dominican papers with no problem for there children born in the DR just like those mention above. One group is being targeted which makes me wonder why? No joke I know this Nigerian that was deported to Haiti from the DR..jajja..Why was he sent to haiti and not back to Nigeria..he got back though..and he had his residency..but speaks basic spanish. I hope one day they don't deport let's say an african american or afro canadian to haiti..NGO's will have a field day.
From: Haiti
Lautaro I had the same vision too. The proximity of the island might way out the chinese's limitless resources of super cheap labour. Please do you think NGO's give a damn about slavery..it's all about them getting the best deal and if DR/Haiti brings them that..Slavery and race card will be dealt to DR and dominicans won't know what card to throw on the table. It's obvious on this site that we can't even talk humanely without name callings..NGO's are probably taking notes and ready for phase two. Haitians and Dominicans must get together to fight this invasion of foreignors looking for limitless resources close to home. You know they don't view us as different from each other. I hope this is just some ridiculous conspiracy contrived from me reading this site bring me down..loolllljajaja.. Please say it isn't so Lautaro..
Written by: Lautaro, 19 Jun 2008 10:18 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Don't know what to say, Jabao, there are a lot of weird conspiracy theories on the air as of lately. Such as the one that says that it would not be the planes which brought down the towers on 911, but that it would be the work of bombs from the inside. Just ask Belial, he seems to be so full of them, blaming all on the "imperialist running dogs, waterboys and behind kissers". LOL
From: Haiti
The people on this site is driving to these conspiracy theories. In the mean time I will keep on living day by day. Can you give me a rebuttal on my post regarding other immigrant groups that are illegal and poor which have no problem getting dominican papers for kids born there? I don't know but this issue is complicated and needs to be resolved..thanks for that FYI,,Felix Pierre..yup that's him. I feel sorry for that young boy that is caught up in this political mess
Written by: Lautaro, 19 Jun 2008 10:33 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Well, you have a point on that account, I don't remember hearing (or reading) about cases of other foreigners being rounded up. Unless you want to count them as such the cubans and chinese caught in the act of trying to get to PR along with the other yoleros in order to reach the US mainland. Or the detainment of some of the chinese being smuggled into the DR by a known congressman, who is nicknamed for this "el chino", and who, not surprisingly enough, have been reelected twice on his seat.
Written by: rom1804 , 19 Jun 2008 11:11 AM
From: Zimbabwe
Allow me to stick it to Rubi one more time with a piece of my 18th century DNA.
Francisco Del Rosario Sánchez (March 9, 1817 - July 4, 1861) was a politician and founding father of the Dominican Republic. He is considered by Dominicans as the second leader of the 1844 Dominican War of Independence, after Juan Pablo Duarte and before Ramón Matías Mella.
In 1861 general Pedro Santana asked Spain to retake control of the country, after a period of only 17 years of independence. The result was not the hoped improvement of the economic situation, but a further degradation and a monetary crisis. Furthermore individual rights were limited and popular protests were brutally crushed. Soon the first armed resistance was organized. SLAVERY
Francisco del Rosario Sánchez, one of the main architects of the Independence, sought help from Haiti, but was captured and executed on July 4, 1861.
TO BE CONT.....
Written by: rom1804 , 19 Jun 2008 11:20 AM
From: Zimbabwe
Basically all my mediocre DNA tells me that 3 dudes agreed to overthrow Haitian rule and make DR independent and one of the dudes by the name of Pedro S. was clearly a Spanish agent working for Spain. I guess he never had the intention of making an independent nation so anyway The middle guy Francisco Del Rosario Sanchez the second in command didn't get the MEMO that he was working for Spain. When he found out and sought Haiti's help me was murdered most likely by Pedro and his goons Now Ramos Matias Mella didn't want to have the same fate as Sanchez so he kept his mouth shut.
Boy I'll tell you Haitians have backed stabbed Haitians for years for power which is understandable "Human Nature" but never has any of our guys killed by his compatriots in the name of France. Thank god for that.
Francisco del Rosario Sánchez You ARE OKAY ON MY BOOK BUDDY At least you died for your people for that HATS OFF.
From: Haiti
Rom1804..Can you tell me what the hell your rant has to do with the article at hand. Can we talk about issues effecting us today 2008 instead of living in the past. I haven't read one post from you that wasn't ridiculous and provoking to start verbal assault on this forum. BTW, I read your rant that I make you sick b4 they deleted it. I prefer to give you the silent treatment. Shaking me head in disbelief.
From: Haiti
Lautaro the law isn't retroactive and many dominicans of haitian descendant are not even notified until they need a copy of their birth certificate to find out they are no longer dominicans. aslo many of the baseball prospects coming out of the DR are of haitian descent will DR impose all of them from making it big and bringing another fame to DR? The government is shooting herself in the foot and is further discrediting themselves. The law isn't retroactive and children born 2004 and forward should sign the pink book but those prior are in limbo..isn't that unconstitutional..Imagine born in a country with papers and walking to get a document for school to find out your no longer dominican...NGO's are going to have a field day with this one...
Written by: , 19 Jun 2008 11:32 AM
From:
JabaoHaitian I just have a little problem with some Dominicans trying to sneak in History.
Someone tried to make me believe that General Maximo Gomez was a...you know I can't think of the word. But I know Gomez fought with the Spaniards against the Dominicans in the The Dominican Restoration War.
Ah! God help me help the Dominicans learn their own History. Not the Balaguer Version but the Real History so that they can learn to love themselves for who they are.
Thank you lord
Written by: rom1804 , 19 Jun 2008 11:35 AM
From: Zimbabwe
So are you trying to tell me that Sammy Sosa is in Transit.
Most people say I look like Sammy but I doubt it I'm much much more better looking.
Could Sammy and I be related OH NO!
Yeah I agree your government is shooting herself in the foot.
GO NGOs GO
Written by: Lautaro, 19 Jun 2008 11:41 AM
From: Dominican Republic
I can see the dangers if the current course keeps being followed, Jabao, but I think that the dominican state sorely needs to be given the cocotazo, seeing as how it has renounced time and again to tighten its belt and start shunning and putting aside the advice of those political right winged groups (FNP among others) which are pushing for the law to be applied retroactively. As for the peloteros, the MLB started, since this year, to give assistance to the different training camps in order to avoid cases like this from happening all over again. It's not much, but I sincerely hope that this assistance from outside really to get the wheels of the state to work on this issue, since it's not only the people of haitian descent which are suffering from this lack of papers issue, but also a great part of the native dominican population as well (specially the campesinos).
Written by: Lautaro, 19 Jun 2008 11:45 AM
From: Dominican Republic
As for you rom1804, why don't you stick yourself to zimbabwean issues? They're way more serious than the quarrels between haitians and dominicans, believe me. To you I can apply the saying "With friends like you, who wants enemies?"
From: Haiti
To anynonmous, it is not your job to save the domincan people from themselves. Your concern should be Haiti and the problems we face. Also history has been manipulated in the dominican republic as much as it has been in Haiti. Let go of the past and stop living as if the white man is surpressing you. Besides, typing on a forum has demonstrated progress and oppoturnities for you. Now let's work on getting that for the millions of our compatriots the same thing so they won't have to go to another poor country looking for work. I am not going to criticise a whole country for something that exist in my own country. Besides, what history books are you reading...a la traca papa..ayisien jwenn manger kounya yon intellectuel..tchip..suspen fè nou wonte..nou gen kont pwobleme nou, lakay..please stop the propaganda..it isn't helping neither haitian nor dominican..let them grow and make mistakes own their own like the many we've made..Peace & Love
From: Haiti
Because a dominican can be the same hue or darker than a haitian national doesn't make him descendants. Big mistake 1804 assuming all blacks in the DR are some what lost cousins..actually alot of white mulatto dominicans are haitian descendants too. Beside alot of haitians are dominican descendants..What's the hoolah about? I mean this shows me alot of work need to be done on both sides. Sad to read non sense all day...
Lautaro, indeed alot of dominicans don't possess papers as well...alot of work needs to be done and hopefully things will sort out between the two governments. I personally think the haitian goverment needs to check itself about not needing a foreign country DR to ask for help for Haiti..That's a bit irresponsible since haitian government as putting a strain on the DR..hey, my point of view..fair is fair..im just a righteous guy..no wonder a hate politics..lol..
Written by: ny4life, 19 Jun 2008 12:40 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
Good points made by Jabao and Lautaro. A revision needs to be made on the citizenship issue. If DR is adopting a concept that is applied in the EU than so be it. I think there is a concious effort lately to try and merger both countries (using the cheap labor in Haiti) and that would be a HUGE mistake. IC views us as the same and don't really care about our interest. We are not he same and are not long lost cousins as Jabao eluded too. Let DR be DR and Haiti be Haiti. DR has never invaded Haiti and there is no intentions to do so. Haiti through history has invaded DR and DR still remains of interest to Haiti. We are two different people and the island merger is absurd. DR has no interest in doing so and I hope the Haitians understand that.
From: Haiti
NY4lfie, I hope dominicans understand that Haitians don't want to invade the DR nor even consider that as feasible. I mean you even mentioning history as well to prove your point is irrelevant. Stop doing that because it is ridiculous to say haiti invade DR x amount of times. One has to take in perspective the time frame and the reasons behind the occupation and invasions. Yes, at the end it was meant to be that we are separate hopefully be equal economically. NY4life, I consider you a bright young american of dominican descent with a good education with accepting the truth. Now what in the hell would Haiti gain of out of invading DR. Dominicans are playing victims here for past events. I mean we both need to let go of our past to think straight. If the IC attempts to merge the two countries. You'll here an equal uproar in Haiti as well as DR..Haitians dont want to haitianise the DR. Should we be concern of dominicans dominicanising Haiti. C'mon. what are u guys thinking.
From: Haiti
NYC please read me objectively..Im tired of this negative seed in embedded in the dominican/haitian psyche. We are different and the divorce papers were signed along time ago 1844. I know that and many haitians accept that..Can dominicans accept that. We must work together because we do share the same island and bilateral agreements is essential for competition in a global economy. IC,NGO's don't care about neither group at the end of the day. As long as they succeed in their agenda. Now if we are too stupid to make mends for play ground fights in comparison to other neighbours then I guess we are doom. How much bachata can I here in one day? Joke to break the ice.. Seriously guys we are separate but most work together..We have been living next door but avoid seeing each other in the morning leaving to work and at night coming from work...Repeat 3 times. Haitians have no interest invading the DR. believe it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!because it's the truth
From: United States
The electoral college is correct, Id's give up the border pure and simple.
There is are a number of operators on this blog trying to sell a social engineering doctrine to Dominicans-
Become "black" there is no difference between Dominicans and Haitians.
This has been in text books in Texas for some time and is part of a racial hate doctrine to categorize
Dominicans to their harm under a hate doctrine.
There is a great deal more going on than meets the eye.
The operators on your blog forum are selling a white supremacist agenda that will affect every Dominican in the US and in the D.R.
Do not buy into it.
It is to harm you and your children.
There is nothing delicate about this. It comes from a hate doctrine derived from fascism, neo-nazi.
From: United States
The eugenics hate doctrine is spoken openly in Texas. They say if you are 1/32 black then you are black, which then justifies excluding Dominicans from fields of education, e.g. math and science.
This is twisted sick stuff, but excluding entire segments of society from opportunities to obtain all positions in academics, industry, etc exclusively for certain "bloodlines" is the objective.
Buy into 1/32 and you buy the program. The current step after using their "pedigree" argument for years is to now declare everyone from entire countries, D.R., Panama, P.R. etc, all black by extension, therefore subject to official oppression and exclusion.
Do not laugh, I am not making this up.
The only way to refuse to go down this insane path is to refuse to be categorized in any pedigree scheme, just say Hispanic, and end the process before it starts. Dig your feet in and refuse to play their game.
From: United States
Refusing to buy in does not prevent retaliations or being defrauded of work accomplished but it does refuse to join in the harm of your children and grandchildren by furthering the agenda of the hate doctrine people.
When you see a Dominican professor in NY trying to lay guilt on students to become "black" on behalf of the eugenics doctrine clock him.
It does not make any difference if you are at the furthest end of the spectrum of skin pigment, don't buy into the garbage being sold under the hate doctrine "bloodlines" bull. You may be the darkest dark but you are a Dominican, not the wet dream of sociopaths in the USA who want to harm ALL Dominicans, and people from other Latin American nations by putting you in a scapegoat category group they pick.
This has nothing to do with blacks in the US. This is a category that is even more excluded than blacks in the US and will not serve you or yours wither you are blue eyed blond or black, it is about making you Jews in Germany 19
From: Dominican Republic, Montellano
Lautaro,
There is another very young Baseball player I think his name is Angel Joseph who was denied his documents which resulted in the pulling out of his near contract of $350, 000 to play in some small baseball league in the USA. Look him up if you can.
From: United States
Like Jews in Germany in the 1930's, who were scapegoated as a mechanism to bring fascism to power.
The objective is not race, that is only a tool to obtain power.
Pass on being pitted against or with racial categories and pedigrees to be made scapegoats for the use of eugenics and fascism.
They are rotten cotton.
Be Dominicans, let Haitians be Haitians, and Panamanians be Panamanians, etc.
From: United States
batguano101:
Very interesting post.............
Written by: Jander, 19 Jun 2008 3:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: ny4life, 19 Jun 2008 3:39 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
" Haitians have no interest invading the DR. believe it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
I'm starting to have some serious doubts.
From: Haiti
NY4life, I am thinking you are joking. I have read you and you appear to have all your screws tighten. So I would like to know what in the hell make you doubt this? Sure some Haitian nationals have come on this site spitting venom just as dominicans have done here about haitians. If I would use this forum as some sort of conclusion, I would be sitting with an AK47 waiting to attack. I think you just having one of those days. I have them too. I seriously would like to know what would make you say something like that. Inquiring minds want to know. We have a side and DR has there's. It's been like that without invasions for a long time so why know? I doubt there are Haitians,including myself, thinking DR is going to invade them. It's a joke..comical. Dont let me find out you're losing marbles too..C'mon NY4life..please say your having a bad day..please..i respect your opinions. Sincerely JabaoHaitian..where is Cibao by the way..
Written by: arcatype , 19 Jun 2008 4:04 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: United States
What are you people talking about Haiti would never invade the D.R. they know that we are two different people and if they ever did try to invade the D.R. we would fend them of because we have a better military more resources and a larger population they wont be able to take us over come on people Haiti would never attack us
Written by: rom1804 , 19 Jun 2008 4:41 PM
From: Zimbabwe
IN UNRELATED NEWS
In South Africa, Chinese is the New Black
A high court in South Africa ruled on Wednesday that Chinese-South Africans will be reclassified as “black,” a term that includes black Africans, Indians and others who were subject to discrimination under apartheid. As a result of this ruling, ethnically Chinese citizens will be able to benefit from government affirmative action policies aimed at undoing the effects of apartheid.
P.S. Haitians are not trying to invade DR just like we have been fed the same thing on our side that DR is planing on Invading Haiti. Someone is messing with our emotions and I know who and I know why but I will play along for now. I hope you dominicans are smart enough to play along with me.
Written by: rom1804 , 19 Jun 2008 6:00 PM
From: Zimbabwe
lol and AndrusEnigma gets to post his radical messages and I'm being edited. Okay! I see where this is going
Yeah Vive la revolution.
I will always be HERE
Written by: arcatype , 19 Jun 2008 6:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic
From: United States
Things are going out of hand because many NGO's and other foreign insitutions are abusing Dominican kindness.
At the end Haitians take things personally for something that They are guilty like trying to incite sorrow towards Them from the international comunity when in reality Dominican goverment can't be more lenient and easy going with their status in our country.
If Haitians feel victimized just follow the latest european news yes indeed "EUROPEAN UNION" supposedly lefty and compassionate about people are going to kick out people since They feel threatened for such a big people influx.
We are a 3rd world country with so many difficult issues to take care of and everybody is pushing us against the wall to asume responsability for a problem that is not ours.
Feel sorry guys but You started crying for help for other countries to punish us for no reason and now this "Fairy tale" is backfiring and just accept Your negative actions.
From: United States
If the 1 Million plus haitian that are found in DR get citizenship as they desire, they will completely change our politics and not for the better, they will use up our resources and multiply like crazy so that by 2030 their will be 4 million haitians in DR. the population in dr is expected to stabalized at 12 Million in 2030. Which means that if Haitians are included there will be 16 Millions or 1 in every 4 dominican will be a Haitian....
The dominicans you know today won't be the same as in the next 20 years. Of course haitians in this forum don't see that we want to maintain ourselves as we are now and they keep calling us racist when in fact we are just seeking to maintain our racial integrity and not have it altered.
Written by: arcatype , 19 Jun 2008 7:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I heard the news also, the european union is kicking out all the illegals. Carlos Franco that's true what you posted. Just imagine all the conflicts with so many people, theirs a hell to pay in a country with limited land space and resources.
From: United States
If we picture ourselfs in the place of Hatiens... we are just trying to feed our children. we would
probably be doing the same thing they are... going to the other side to see if we can find something
to eat.... the need is to get some kind of Global organisation to help out Haiti .in its agriculture..
and all other forms of help.. so they would be able to help themselfs... then they would'nt need
to cross the border..... they need more help then the Dominican Gorverment can give them... they need Global help from World Monetary Bank System etc...
From: United States
Francisco118:
You are talking backwards, sorry to say but don't know if You heard about Haitian goverment complaining about our president on the latest FAO summit because He was asking for aid
for Haitians and They got offended.
To me this is plain arrogance, ignorance and 18 century mentality...
Written by: Jander, 20 Jun 2008 12:27 AM
From: Dominican Republic
rom1804
Take it easy on DT you know what you posted on the kiddee porn article and it was in bad taste.
It was an American and a bunch of baby raping pilots that were the ring leaders.
And I am ashamed of that more then you could ever know. But what's done is done and they were caught and that is only thing good about the entire siyuation
If there is one thing we should agrre upon here is when it involves children we all need to stand together rather then make comments like you did.
I am sure you regret ever hitting "post comment"
It would help if some of you Haitain Haters would lighten up I can't blame some of them for getting defensive.
Written by: rom1804 , 20 Jun 2008 1:02 AM
From: Zimbabwe
Okay maybe the child porn thing was a low blow but I wouldn't have said it if someone didn't say something similar about the Haitian. and a few days after someone saying that " Incest is part of Haitians national past time etc... amongst other things and this article came out so I was like in your face you know. Sure sometimes I've posted some not so good stuff but its only because I've been forced to. If they stop with the name calling I will stop bringing back their history to hunt them. And I don't think I see the reason why my Last article was deleted about Pedro Santana and Rosario Sanchez. That one was not fair and to be honest with you I admire Sanchez more than Santana that was my whole point of that Article but for some reason it was deleted. Oh well! as long as someone read it that's fine by me I got my message out at least to the Administrators of this site. anyway I won't be posting too much on here anymore I have to travel to you know where...NO NOT DR.
Written by: White, 20 Jun 2008 1:13 AM
From: United States
CarlosFranco wrote "If the 1 Million plus haitian that are found in DR get citizenship as they desire, they will completely change our politics and not for the better, they will use up our resources and multiply like crazy so that by 2030 their will be 4 million haitians in DR. the population in dr is expected to stabalized at 12 Million in 2030. Which means that if Haitians are included there will be 16 Millions or 1 in every 4 dominican will be a Haitian....
The dominicans you know today won't be the same as in the next 20 years. Of course haitians in this forum don't see that we want to maintain ourselves as we are now and they keep calling us racist when in fact we are just seeking to maintain our racial integrity and not have it altered. "
CarlosFranco, we Americans feel the same way about Dominicans but your guys keep coming anyway. Why don't your Dominicans practice what you preach and stay in your country.
Written by: JOHNUSA1, 20 Jun 2008 2:03 AM
From: United States
White wrote, "we Americans feel the same way about Dominicans but your guys keep coming anyway. Why don't your Dominicans practice what you preach and stay in your country."
I second that Brother. America for Americans only.
From: United States
Consuello do you know why?bacuse this is DOMINICAN TODAY.You people are DIFFERENT, don t you understand , you live here among us and you dare to say anything negative about the Country who put food in your moputh, something that you didn t have inAYITI.
From: United States
Consuello:
Stop being the victim and do something proactive instead...............
Who do You think You are to dictate Your will to us, get a life...........
From: United States
White and Johnusa:
Welcome dear Haitian brothers, but don't get the point why 2 (Haitians) feel so ashamed about their nationalities and instead log in as 2 Americans, worst is to portray 2 white people personalities when in reality You are Ahmmmm (Haitians).
Written by: White, 20 Jun 2008 11:04 AM
From: United States
Who is this JRRubirosa? I see that you are posting from the U.S. So Who ever you are you better show some respect to the people and country that (feed you) gave you a second chance. Yes I am American. Yes I am white. It seems that who ever does not agree with you, you label them as Haitian as if it's something bad. As a White American I have no problems with the Haitian people. I think the Haitian people are one of the most courageous people on the planet.
Written by: rjb727, 20 Jun 2008 11:11 AM
From: United States
From: Canada
They are dealing the slimy race card from the bottom of the deck those two of dubious origin....you are probably correct in this case RUBI
From: United States
rjb27:
What are you proving???
Written by: JOHNUSA1, 20 Jun 2008 11:53 AM
From: United States
It's nice to see Dominican Today finally decided to censor some of JRRubirosa's comments.
Written by: JOHNUSA1, 20 Jun 2008 12:00 PM
From: United States
If Dominican Today can do one better and ban JRRubirosa from this site, that will be great.
Written by: rjb727, 20 Jun 2008 12:05 PM
From: United States
I am simply replying to your repeated comments that you know of no haitian achievers.
Now you do. I have no interest in taking part in the hate speech that some people
( on both side of the fence ) seem to find neccessary engage in this forum. I have many
dominican friends that I value dearly and my view is that barking at each other leads nowhere.
From: United States
Garcelle Beauvais - You may have seen her many times on TV. Model, actress - Born November 26, 1966, in St. Marc, the youngest of seven children. In the 1990s she began acting, and has starred in the Fox TV drama "Models Inc.",and "The Jamie Foxx Show". In 1999, she appeared with Will Smith in the feature film, "Wild, Wild West". Since 2001, as Assistant District Attorney Valerie Heywood, she has starred in the long-running ABC TV cop drama, "NYPD Blue".
Ronald Agénor
Tennis player - The son of a former diplomat at the United Nations and Minister of Agriculture of Haiti, Ronald Agénor has sustained one of the longest careers in the history of the game of tennis (19 years). made history by playing against Yannick Noah from France, in what would be the first all black male ATP Tour tennis final in men's professional tennis history. In 1999
Wyclef Jean - Jean formed a hip-hop trio, the Fugees, with his cousin, "Pras" Michel, and Lauryn Hill.
From: United States
Sancochojoe:
If You people will be more creative, You guys would have the brain cells to promote, share and post Your ideas and concerns on something related to Your own culture.
We don't care or need to know about Your thinking, ideas or business so If You people would have 2 inches of civilization and class would leave Dominicans alone long time ago.
But I know You don't have class and therefore will continue to jump to these blogs to post Your anti-Dominicans ideas and opinions that We don't want to hear about it.
From: United States
Johnusa1:
Funny that I think You are the one that comments have being deleted or edited already plus You have no personality trying to portray somebody else.
You have not "GUTS" as a man, human being or else since You are from the other side of the island and have to hide behind a fake personality to feel god about it.
From: United States
White:
You are self inflicting yourself with ignorance and also wounding your brain with lack of ideas and personality.
From: United States
JRRubirosa, this is my first post. Why are you attacking me?
I'm not Haitian , but i'm objective and a realist.
From: United States
I don't know why there's so much controversy over illegal invaders within a sovereign nation? These people need to be controlled if not the whole country would be bum-rushed by hordes of hungry hatians. I feel for my fellow man, but, reality is a sobering factor: We're living in hard times, you can barely take care of your own family, let alone some ingrateful intruder that wants to stick you up for 'His" food. It's no different than strong arm 'Pan-handling' , You got a dollar for me, mister! A las buenas, cualquier cosa, a la mala, nada!
* The funny part about this article is that the photo on it is the courtesy of an anonymous JESUIT. These Jesuits are behind most machiavellian conspiracies, and this one of the invasion of La Patria de Duarte, Sanchez y Mella, is no exception.
"Behind every Jesuit, there's a problem" ...........Arsenio.
Check out what time it is @
http://endrtimes.blogspot.com Written by: arcatype , 20 Jun 2008 3:43 PM
From: Dominican Republic
rjb727 Who cares about haitian achievements? The world is filled with talented people. Achieve this, make your country a habital space of paradise for your people!!!!!
Written by: rom1804 , 20 Jun 2008 5:38 PM
From: Zimbabwe
Rubi got censored? Oh No! Must be the end of the world as we know it.. OMG! Has the IC's gotten to Dominicantoday too?
I don't believe it.
Arcatype You might not care about Haitian achievements but the rest of the world does.
Check out THE HAITIAN FIGHT SONG download it you might like it.
This song was created and dedicated to the Haitian struggle. Some Dominicans may not care about achievements but there are plenty that does.
GOOD DAY TO YOU.
From: United States
Room1804:
I feel sorry for Your personal frustrations................
Written by: rom1804 , 20 Jun 2008 6:05 PM
From: Zimbabwe
Gee Thanks Rubi/
Maybe Later we Haitians and Dominicans can seat down by the fire place holding hands while signing the Kumbaya. Or would you prefer "We are the world"?
From: Canada
"we are the wierd"
From: United States
the fact is that the Haitians are trying to survive, and when you want to survive you'll do anything.
they hate the Haitian but are wiling to sell of the Country to people from the states and Spain, germany, Italy etc.
From: United States
Can't Do Nothing For Ya Man by Public Enemy
Runnin' for your life, by the knife
Runnin' from your wife ... yipes
You should've stuck with home
Your mind to blow your dome
It was you that chose your due
You built a maze you can't get through
I tried to help you all I can
Now I can't do nuttin' for you man
I can't do nuttin' for ya man
You got all these people on your back now
I can't do nuttin' for ya man
Flavor flav got problems of his own
I can't do nuttin' for you man
Go lean on shells answer man
I can't do nuttin' for ya man
You jumped out of the jelly into a jam
Make ya love the wrong instead of right
Not a thief cat burglar through the night
cop told your girl her name was Shirl
About a rooftop crime to steal her pearls
Oozy down the bullets in the gun
Just microwave themselves a ton
The you tried to help them all they can
But they couldn't do nuttin' for ya man
I can't do nuttin' for ya man
They couldn't do nuttin' for ya man
Flavor Fla
From: United States
Flavor Flav is the sun
Public Enemy number one
Gotcha runnin' from the gun (pow)
Of a brain that weighs a ton
Can't face my facts that's on the shelf
Cause you want a hand out for your wealth
Eatin' welfare turkey out of the can
I can't do nuttin' for ya man
I can't do nuttin' for ya man
You want six dollars for what?
I can't do nuttin' for ya man
You better man kiss my but
I can't do nuttin' for ya man
I'm busy tryin' to do for me
I can't do nuttin' for ya man
That's the way the ball bounces gee
Bass for your face, kick that xxxx
Written by: arcatype , 20 Jun 2008 8:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic
chillaxin201 Have you heard of Grupo M, they are dominican businessmen that are extremely wealthy. Their was an article on this website, that stated that they were investing $1 billion U.S. dollars to build high rise buildings on an exclusive sea side location here in Dominican Republic. Do you think that theirs no people with means in this country. You are an ignorant soul!!!!!
Written by: arcatype , 20 Jun 2008 8:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic
chillaxin201 Dont make excuses for haitians that they come to D.R. to feed themselves and make a living, Haiti became a country in 1804 look where their at? they need to focus on their country not in D.R.!!!!!
From: Dominican Republic, Montellano
How you going to steal my chillaxin word now? Sure oh sure uh huh, you are right o wise one so wise with wisdom and clarity it is uncanny. Wow yeah uhmm... sure?
Written by: White, 20 Jun 2008 9:21 PM
From: United States
JRRubirosa wrote, "You are self inflicting yourself with ignorance and also wounding your brain with lack of ideas and personality."
I am glad you said that because you just described yourself and many on this site would agree with me.
Written by: antonioj, 20 Jun 2008 9:41 PM
From: Canada, Oakville on terra firma
* 50 cent rappeur du group g-unit, sont vrai nom est Curtis Jackson
* Wyclef Jean et Pras Michel, rappeurs américains membres du groupe Fugees.
* Gage chanteur de R'n'B canadien découvert par Corneille, est d'origine haïtienne et jamaïcaine.
* Alibi Montana rappeur français de son vrai prénom nickarson habitant la ville La Courneuve dépt 93 en France.
* Kery James rappeur français de son vrai nom Alix Mathurin.
Written by: antonioj, 20 Jun 2008 9:41 PM
From: Canada, Oakville on terra firma
* Lenny Kravitz, chanteur, auteur, compositeur, dont la mère qui vient des Bahamas est d'origine haïtienne
* Missy Eliott, chanteuse, auteur, compositeur, a des origines haïtiennes (confirmé dans l'émission "Cribs")
* André 3000 (né André Benjamin), chanteur, auteur, compositeur du groupe Outkast a des origines haïtiennes
* DJ Whoo Kid D..J. américain membre du groupe de rap G-Unit, de son vrai nom Yves Mondésire.
* Usher, le « prince » du R'n'B américain, de son vrai nom Usher Raymond.
* Tony Yayo rappeur américain des G-Unit, de son vrai nom Marvin Bernard
Written by: antonioj, 20 Jun 2008 9:48 PM
From: Canada, Oakville on terra firma
. Jean Baptiste Point Du Sable, a Haitian, is the founder of Chicago.
Haitians excelling, achieving, and caring: another Haitian ivy league medical physician.
Weill Cornell's Dr. Jean Pape receives France's Legion d'Honneur
By Jonathan Weil
Pape
http://www.news.cornell.edu/chronicle/03/1.23.03/Pape_award.htmlDr. Jean W. Pape, an internationally recognized infectious disease expert and professor of medicine at Weill Cornell Medical College in New York City, has received France's highest distinction, the Legion d'Honneur, for his more than two decades of work fighting disease in his native Haiti. France's President Jacques Chirac made the award, citing Pape's "contributions to the improvement of the health of the Haitian people and that of people around the world
There are so many Haitians that have excelled around the world , however that is not the point, keep this in mind this just recently show business only, do not let me go back in History.
Written by: Lautaro, 20 Jun 2008 9:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I didn´t know about Lenny Kravitz, antonioj, can you confirm it? because I swear that I have read somewhere on those showbiz magazines that his mother was jamaican, and his father a jew.
Written by: rom1804 , 20 Jun 2008 10:17 PM
From: Zimbabwe
Allow me to say something before my comments get deleted> I think what Antonio is trying to say is. That he has an unlimited list of Haitians or Haitian-Americans of people of Haitian descent that have done marvelous things around the world. But Its hard extremely hard to find 1 Dominican that as excel in the world.
Name 3 Dominicans that are world famous. Sammy Sosa doesn't count because he is in Transit.
Written by: rom1804 , 20 Jun 2008 10:44 PM
From: Zimbabwe
No really I'm tired about posting about dead Haitian Hero accomplishments lets name some live ones and see if you can name some Dominicans that have excelled rjb727. I'm just going to start naming the ones that Antonio missed so you don't think that we are repeating the same people. I won't even mention Wyclef.
Pastor Troy - Haitian American
Quddus - MTV Total Request Live
Kwame Raoul - Senator of Illinois He is a Replacement for Barack Obama soon to be president
Oh I can seat here and name them all night but it will be pointless because you have no match
Written by: antonioj, 20 Jun 2008 10:45 PM
From: Canada, Oakville on terra firma
Actually I believe there are people on both sides that have excelled around the world, however I have chosen to list some of them to change some of the misconception that Rubi has. Listen 1804 I am not here to quarrel, but to learn and have an honest fair dialogue.
Written by: rom1804 , 20 Jun 2008 10:56 PM
From: Zimbabwe
Unless the Dominicans can come up with some legit people to defend their group I would have to say that the Haitians WIN this one.
and Don't give me some Ghetto Super Star Dominicans that are only famous in DR I want to hear about Dominicans that are world Famous. Excluding Sammy Sosa like I said before he is in TRANSIT.
P.S. one more thing They must be ALIVE.
Written by: antonioj, 20 Jun 2008 10:59 PM
From: Canada, Oakville on terra firma
"I didn´t know about Lenny Kravitz, antonioj, can you confirm it? because I swear that I have read somewhere on those showbiz magazines that his mother was jamaican, and his father a jew.
"
Actually Lautaro from what I understand his mother is from the bahamas but haitian
there are alot more Haitians for one reason or other have chosen not to come out, I can understand why ,I have always been proud, no matter what saying that I am Haitian.
Check this short clip it summed how Haitian feel about Haiti, you will notice some additional stars that came out. It's in creole subtitle in english.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=1p6lmZfsbpYWritten by: Lautaro, 20 Jun 2008 11:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Thanks for the link, mr. antonioj.
As for you, rom1804 a.k.a. Mugabe´s lap dog, here´s your three:
1- Juan Luis Guerra, merengue singer and Grammy winner
2- Junot Diaz, writer, and winner of the Pulitzer Prize
3- Zoe Saldaña, Hollywood actress
Using your words, I could keep listing all night, but I have better things to do with my time than trading posts back and forth with a good for nothing noirist. As a poster told you earlier, keep to your Zimbabwean issues, specially now that your big boss is taking some heat from the opposition. Now I know that the british must have been out of their minds when they granted the knighthood to a nutcase like him.
Written by: Jander, 20 Jun 2008 11:43 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: rom1804 , 21 Jun 2008 12:02 AM
From: Zimbabwe
lol How pathetic. You people drafted the whole Dominican Baseball team and put it on there. Now find me an international Star. The only one that has some clouts is maybe the Oscar De la Renta guy I think I've herd of him before other than that I'm not impressed by anyone else on that list.
Juan Luis Guerra, merengue singer and Grammy winner
2- Junot Diaz, writer, and winner of the Pulitzer Prize
3- Zoe Saldaña, Hollywood actress
NEVER HEARD OF THEM.
From: Dominican Republic, Montellano
Lenny Kravitz of Singer/musician a Jewish father and a Haitian mother from the Bahamas.
Suzanne Malveaux News Anchor (CNN) from Louisiana her parents ancestry of Haitian.
Alexandre Dumas Writer/Play writer. The man in the iron mask, Count Of Monte Cristo and many more... Haitian
Lil wayne From Louisiana but of Haitian descent.
Rick Ross (Rapper)
Trick Daddy (Rapper)
Mack 10 (Rapper)
Pastor Troy (Rapper)
Romel The Tank (Boxer)
Jean-Claude Lamarre actor/Movie Producer played in Malcom X. Gang Of Roses and many Black Urban film in America.
Harold Perineau Actor (Michael) from TV series LOST.
Jean-Michel Basquiat Painter of Puerot Rican and Haitian parents.
From: Dominican Republic, Montellano
Princess/ Later became Queen Anacaona: Taino queen - born in Yaguana (Today the town of Léogâne, a City in The Republic of Haiti); the flourishing capital of Xaragua, the most prosperous and heavily populated of the indigenous Taino kingdoms at the time of the European invasion. Anacaona - golden flower in the Taino language - was the younger sister of Béhéchio, king of Xaragua. ( Today Port –Au- Prince). She was married to the Taino chief, Caonabo, king of Maguana (the Cibao region), who, in 1494, was kidnapped by Christopher Columbus' troops and deported to Spain. (According to legend, Caonabo died en route to Spain when the Taino captives on board deliberately sank the ship in a last attempt to resist Spanish oppression.)
From: Haiti
May I interject my 2 cents. Ok, it is nice that we have listed all of these haitian that have succeeded. Thanks Antonioj far shedding light on me too. Zim1804..are you kidding. Many dominicans have made international acclaim. Why can't both dominican and haitians alike be proud of each of our compatriot without putting each other down. We aren't going to achieve anything with this. Why not appreciate both respectively and try to show the IC that we are progressive people and merit respect. AS this hard to do..sound so simple..both nations have contributed in society..
From: Canada
Sure just like the Israelis and the Palestinians and the Japanese and the Koreans or the Chinese get along......Good Luck to both sides just keep the volume and the heat turned down and everything will be alright do not let the outside troublemakers prevail they have their own agenda
From: United States
Well everyone knows, Oscar de la Renta. The world famous clothes designer. He is Dominican.
And he is still alive.
From: Canada
Oscar is by far the most important Dominican alive why? because he has George Bush and Sarkozys and prime minister Browns home phone numbers and probably Putins as well
From: United States
"Who may concern"
For all poor Haitians that have nothing better to do but to brag about unrealistic events, people and facts.
Get Your act together over Your Ayiti and improve instead of directing Your destructive and negative energy towards my country.
This is the main reason why other countries don't invest a penny on Your country, They know Your behavior to create pus and bad karma.
From: United States
Dominican Republic doesn't get any more attention than Haiti...lets be realistic.
Once Cuba becomes a capitalist country, The Dominican Republic will lose a large percentage of the tourist market. Most of the Cigar Business. Enjoy it while you can. Cuba will be the new place to go once the walls come down and that will be very soon. MLB will start opening up camps in Cuba for new baseball stars waiting to play in Major League baseball.
A lot of people don't go to DR because it shares an Island with Haiti...that is why its best the two countries have good relations with each other. Its a win win situation.
From: United States
Sancochojoe:
Let's be realistic with Your opinions You guys are so envious of our achievements and will like to see us fail and be Your twin partner on failures and misachievements.
Thanks for Your good wishes but in the meantime I truly believe that Your comments fit better for Your failed country not ours.
At the end the good deal about your comments it's that Your people "Haitians" show a psychology principle of inferiority that states "Wishing others what You lack, need and haven't achieve by demonizing Their achievements"
From: United States
(cont)
Remember something else Cubans, Dominicans and Puerto Ricans share the same culture, heritage and brotherhood principles.
We have so many similarities in the history, Eugenio Maria de hostos (Puerto Rican) was a war Hero in Dominican Republic, Maximo Gomez (Dominican) was a war hero in Cuba.
At the end of the story Your guys "Haitians" are the "Lame duck" of the story for screwing everything around it. (PERIOD).
From: United States
JRRubirosa, Dude, what is my country? I'm not Haitian and never been there....but i'm a realist.
What achievements. DR average salary is less than $2400 a year. What achievement is that?
You base achievement by the society as a whole, not by individuals who managed to move outside of the box....born to rich parents or access that the average population doesn't have.
That's what separates third world from First world. First world the Average people have a potential of being comfortable and possibly rich in their society. That is not the case in either DR or Haiti.
From: United States
Sancochojoe:
I could care less where You are from, but most likely I'm 100% right; in regards of Your obnoxious and dumb comments read this same newspaper (Dominican Today) and read about all the investments that We have in Dominican Republic.
Can You say the same about Your country "FORREST GUMP", in the meantime stop being so "Dumb" and read, read, read and research more
From: United States
JRRubirosa, what are you talking about. 3 of your Dominican presidents were Haitian.
From: United States
JRRubirosa, I debate with facts not emotions. Name calling doesn't phase me, that just means you lack critical thinking and lack the ability to formulate any opinions from a reasonable position. You rely on your emotions that stimulates your hate for people who are related to you. The DNA in Domincans are the same DNA in Haitians and you can't avoid that historical fact.
From: United States
In fact, Rafael Leonidas Trujillo was half Haitian and half Dominican.
From: United States
Dominican President - Ulises Heureaux Also Haitian
President Pedro Santana was born in what is now Haiti
Oh....there is more
Written by: antonioj, 21 Jun 2008 11:07 AM
From: Canada, Oakville on terra firma
"Who may concern"
For all poor Haitians that have nothing better to do but to brag about unrealistic events, people and facts.
"
Rubi, you are an idiot, thankfully there are not that many Dominicans like you, otherwise your country will not be what it is today, you have done so much for DR that you are seating comfortably in NY, spewing non-sense. You are in dire need of proper etiquette, please do some research use analogy, metaphor, comparism, and facts if you want to impress the forum, we have heard over and over your re-heated same old song. Do us a favor if you can not be more objective just "shut up” or join the beginner forum "english sin barrera" .
From: Haiti
Antionoj, that was a good one.. i think he needs to be his mental barrier. Rubi is some character actually he confirms how far the dominican government has to go with educating its people worse is he is a poor dominican immigrant in the states.Talk about hypocitrical. Just ignore the fool we have to accept that their are dumb malfunction people in this world.
Written by: antonioj, 21 Jun 2008 11:25 AM
From: Canada, Oakville on terra firma
"
Remember something else Cubans, Dominicans and Puerto Ricans share the same culture, heritage and brotherhood principles.
"
Can you care to expound on this, you are an alnaphabet. Cuban DR, PR Haiti are latin countries
with strong african influence.
Written by: UnDyin86, 21 Jun 2008 11:32 AM
From: United States
"Dominican Republic doesn't get any more attention than Haiti...lets be realistic....A lot of people don't go to DR because it shares an Island with Haiti...that..."
That's funny for a country whose (aside from foriegn remittances and exports) major source of capital (about a billion or so) comes from tourism. I'm a proud dominican, who accepts DR with all it's flaws and virtues but to some of the characters on this forum---please, do some research on DR before posting. I have nothing against a person leaving their homeland trying to find a better life-my main beef is with the Haitian government.
Room 1804, what the hell is your malfunction? Have you ever even been to DR? Have you nothing else to do than spout negativity on this forum and make comments that you obviously pulled out of your a**? Eres un odioso.
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Haitian children born from their illegal parents in the DR should get their Haitian passports. Nobody can enforce their will upon us. Let Haitians be Haitians and Dominicans be Dominicans.
There is many conuntries in europe that do the same like Dominican Republic and nobody says anything about it.
Besides it Haitians hate Dominicans so much why They bother in tying to get Dominican Citizenship.
Haitians are quite annoying and tiresome with this issue>
FYI: I know You know both constitutions so STOP>..........
Recently the european union will start deporting illegals in europe and nobody says anything about it on this blog.
Haitians are abusing the freedom in Dominican Republic to impose their hidden agenda
to destroy our constitution and foundation with this non sense birth documents.
If They don't like comeback to Haiti and complain to Your lazy senators.
http://www.clavedigital.com/Portada/Articulo.asp?Id_Articulo=14197
Bad Boys Bad Boys! What ya gonna do what ya gonna do when they come for you.
Bad Boys Bad Boys! What ya gonna do what ya gonna do when they come for you.
Rubi Baby have you ever stop and think and say: Gee why are these people (i.e the IC's) are so eager to get Haitians legalize in DR. Why are they helping the Haitian? Are they helping the Haitians out of the goodness of their heart or is their a hidden agenda? Why you are busy Hating the Haitians the IC's are scheming in the background to create a one Island government. They already have our side and they are coming for yours next. Are you and I going to keep fighting our nonsense battles or are we going to find out what they are up to.
Love Your thinking, guess the 18 century DNA running in Your blood is taking You places.
Guess You will do with sticks, machetes, dirt cookies and vodoo.
Right???
Francisco Del Rosario Sánchez (March 9, 1817 - July 4, 1861) was a politician and founding father of the Dominican Republic. He is considered by Dominicans as the second leader of the 1844 Dominican War of Independence, after Juan Pablo Duarte and before Ramón Matías Mella.
In 1861 general Pedro Santana asked Spain to retake control of the country, after a period of only 17 years of independence. The result was not the hoped improvement of the economic situation, but a further degradation and a monetary crisis. Furthermore individual rights were limited and popular protests were brutally crushed. Soon the first armed resistance was organized. SLAVERY
Francisco del Rosario Sánchez, one of the main architects of the Independence, sought help from Haiti, but was captured and executed on July 4, 1861.
TO BE CONT.....
Boy I'll tell you Haitians have backed stabbed Haitians for years for power which is understandable "Human Nature" but never has any of our guys killed by his compatriots in the name of France. Thank god for that.
Francisco del Rosario Sánchez You ARE OKAY ON MY BOOK BUDDY At least you died for your people for that HATS OFF.
Someone tried to make me believe that General Maximo Gomez was a...you know I can't think of the word. But I know Gomez fought with the Spaniards against the Dominicans in the The Dominican Restoration War.
Ah! God help me help the Dominicans learn their own History. Not the Balaguer Version but the Real History so that they can learn to love themselves for who they are.
Thank you lord
Most people say I look like Sammy but I doubt it I'm much much more better looking.
Could Sammy and I be related OH NO!
Yeah I agree your government is shooting herself in the foot.
GO NGOs GO
Lautaro, indeed alot of dominicans don't possess papers as well...alot of work needs to be done and hopefully things will sort out between the two governments. I personally think the haitian goverment needs to check itself about not needing a foreign country DR to ask for help for Haiti..That's a bit irresponsible since haitian government as putting a strain on the DR..hey, my point of view..fair is fair..im just a righteous guy..no wonder a hate politics..lol..
There is are a number of operators on this blog trying to sell a social engineering doctrine to Dominicans-
Become "black" there is no difference between Dominicans and Haitians.
This has been in text books in Texas for some time and is part of a racial hate doctrine to categorize
Dominicans to their harm under a hate doctrine.
There is a great deal more going on than meets the eye.
The operators on your blog forum are selling a white supremacist agenda that will affect every Dominican in the US and in the D.R.
Do not buy into it.
It is to harm you and your children.
There is nothing delicate about this. It comes from a hate doctrine derived from fascism, neo-nazi.
This is twisted sick stuff, but excluding entire segments of society from opportunities to obtain all positions in academics, industry, etc exclusively for certain "bloodlines" is the objective.
Buy into 1/32 and you buy the program. The current step after using their "pedigree" argument for years is to now declare everyone from entire countries, D.R., Panama, P.R. etc, all black by extension, therefore subject to official oppression and exclusion.
Do not laugh, I am not making this up.
The only way to refuse to go down this insane path is to refuse to be categorized in any pedigree scheme, just say Hispanic, and end the process before it starts. Dig your feet in and refuse to play their game.
When you see a Dominican professor in NY trying to lay guilt on students to become "black" on behalf of the eugenics doctrine clock him.
It does not make any difference if you are at the furthest end of the spectrum of skin pigment, don't buy into the garbage being sold under the hate doctrine "bloodlines" bull. You may be the darkest dark but you are a Dominican, not the wet dream of sociopaths in the USA who want to harm ALL Dominicans, and people from other Latin American nations by putting you in a scapegoat category group they pick.
This has nothing to do with blacks in the US. This is a category that is even more excluded than blacks in the US and will not serve you or yours wither you are blue eyed blond or black, it is about making you Jews in Germany 19
Lautaro,
There is another very young Baseball player I think his name is Angel Joseph who was denied his documents which resulted in the pulling out of his near contract of $350, 000 to play in some small baseball league in the USA. Look him up if you can.
The objective is not race, that is only a tool to obtain power.
Pass on being pitted against or with racial categories and pedigrees to be made scapegoats for the use of eugenics and fascism.
They are rotten cotton.
Be Dominicans, let Haitians be Haitians, and Panamanians be Panamanians, etc.
Very interesting post.............
Thanks for the insight ,
I knew little of "eugenics"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics#United_States
I'm starting to have some serious doubts.
In South Africa, Chinese is the New Black
A high court in South Africa ruled on Wednesday that Chinese-South Africans will be reclassified as “black,” a term that includes black Africans, Indians and others who were subject to discrimination under apartheid. As a result of this ruling, ethnically Chinese citizens will be able to benefit from government affirmative action policies aimed at undoing the effects of apartheid.
P.S. Haitians are not trying to invade DR just like we have been fed the same thing on our side that DR is planing on Invading Haiti. Someone is messing with our emotions and I know who and I know why but I will play along for now. I hope you dominicans are smart enough to play along with me.
Yeah Vive la revolution.
I will always be HERE
At the end Haitians take things personally for something that They are guilty like trying to incite sorrow towards Them from the international comunity when in reality Dominican goverment can't be more lenient and easy going with their status in our country.
If Haitians feel victimized just follow the latest european news yes indeed "EUROPEAN UNION" supposedly lefty and compassionate about people are going to kick out people since They feel threatened for such a big people influx.
We are a 3rd world country with so many difficult issues to take care of and everybody is pushing us against the wall to asume responsability for a problem that is not ours.
Feel sorry guys but You started crying for help for other countries to punish us for no reason and now this "Fairy tale" is backfiring and just accept Your negative actions.
The dominicans you know today won't be the same as in the next 20 years. Of course haitians in this forum don't see that we want to maintain ourselves as we are now and they keep calling us racist when in fact we are just seeking to maintain our racial integrity and not have it altered.
probably be doing the same thing they are... going to the other side to see if we can find something
to eat.... the need is to get some kind of Global organisation to help out Haiti .in its agriculture..
and all other forms of help.. so they would be able to help themselfs... then they would'nt need
to cross the border..... they need more help then the Dominican Gorverment can give them... they need Global help from World Monetary Bank System etc...
You are talking backwards, sorry to say but don't know if You heard about Haitian goverment complaining about our president on the latest FAO summit because He was asking for aid
for Haitians and They got offended.
To me this is plain arrogance, ignorance and 18 century mentality...
Take it easy on DT you know what you posted on the kiddee porn article and it was in bad taste.
It was an American and a bunch of baby raping pilots that were the ring leaders.
And I am ashamed of that more then you could ever know. But what's done is done and they were caught and that is only thing good about the entire siyuation
If there is one thing we should agrre upon here is when it involves children we all need to stand together rather then make comments like you did.
I am sure you regret ever hitting "post comment"
It would help if some of you Haitain Haters would lighten up I can't blame some of them for getting defensive.
The dominicans you know today won't be the same as in the next 20 years. Of course haitians in this forum don't see that we want to maintain ourselves as we are now and they keep calling us racist when in fact we are just seeking to maintain our racial integrity and not have it altered. "
CarlosFranco, we Americans feel the same way about Dominicans but your guys keep coming anyway. Why don't your Dominicans practice what you preach and stay in your country.
I second that Brother. America for Americans only.
Stop being the victim and do something proactive instead...............
Who do You think You are to dictate Your will to us, get a life...........
Welcome dear Haitian brothers, but don't get the point why 2 (Haitians) feel so ashamed about their nationalities and instead log in as 2 Americans, worst is to portray 2 white people personalities when in reality You are Ahmmmm (Haitians).
Hey Rubi,
You've asked for haitian achievers.
I could fill this page. But what purpose would that serve.
Anyway here is a few
Ralph Gillies ==>> Car designer. Designed Chrysler 300
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/03/1....alph-gilles-to-receive-promotion/
Reggie Fils-Aime ==>> President & President and Chief Operating Officer of Nintendo America
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/29197/R....ils-Aime-2008-will-be-complicated
Garcelle Beauvais ==>> Actress
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004731/
Patrick Paultre ==>> Scientist
http://www.usherbrooke.ca/gcivil/....nel/professeur/PatrickPautre.html
http://www.gg.ca/ ==>> Michaelle Jean Canada Governor General
What are you proving???
Now you do. I have no interest in taking part in the hate speech that some people
( on both side of the fence ) seem to find neccessary engage in this forum. I have many
dominican friends that I value dearly and my view is that barking at each other leads nowhere.
Ronald Agénor
Tennis player - The son of a former diplomat at the United Nations and Minister of Agriculture of Haiti, Ronald Agénor has sustained one of the longest careers in the history of the game of tennis (19 years). made history by playing against Yannick Noah from France, in what would be the first all black male ATP Tour tennis final in men's professional tennis history. In 1999
Wyclef Jean - Jean formed a hip-hop trio, the Fugees, with his cousin, "Pras" Michel, and Lauryn Hill.
If You people will be more creative, You guys would have the brain cells to promote, share and post Your ideas and concerns on something related to Your own culture.
We don't care or need to know about Your thinking, ideas or business so If You people would have 2 inches of civilization and class would leave Dominicans alone long time ago.
But I know You don't have class and therefore will continue to jump to these blogs to post Your anti-Dominicans ideas and opinions that We don't want to hear about it.
Funny that I think You are the one that comments have being deleted or edited already plus You have no personality trying to portray somebody else.
You have not "GUTS" as a man, human being or else since You are from the other side of the island and have to hide behind a fake personality to feel god about it.
You are self inflicting yourself with ignorance and also wounding your brain with lack of ideas and personality.
I'm not Haitian , but i'm objective and a realist.
* The funny part about this article is that the photo on it is the courtesy of an anonymous JESUIT. These Jesuits are behind most machiavellian conspiracies, and this one of the invasion of La Patria de Duarte, Sanchez y Mella, is no exception.
"Behind every Jesuit, there's a problem" ...........Arsenio.
Check out what time it is @
http://endrtimes.blogspot.com
I don't believe it.
Arcatype You might not care about Haitian achievements but the rest of the world does.
Check out THE HAITIAN FIGHT SONG download it you might like it.
This song was created and dedicated to the Haitian struggle. Some Dominicans may not care about achievements but there are plenty that does.
GOOD DAY TO YOU.
I feel sorry for Your personal frustrations................
Maybe Later we Haitians and Dominicans can seat down by the fire place holding hands while signing the Kumbaya. Or would you prefer "We are the world"?
they hate the Haitian but are wiling to sell of the Country to people from the states and Spain, germany, Italy etc.
Runnin' for your life, by the knife
Runnin' from your wife ... yipes
You should've stuck with home
Your mind to blow your dome
It was you that chose your due
You built a maze you can't get through
I tried to help you all I can
Now I can't do nuttin' for you man
I can't do nuttin' for ya man
You got all these people on your back now
I can't do nuttin' for ya man
Flavor flav got problems of his own
I can't do nuttin' for you man
Go lean on shells answer man
I can't do nuttin' for ya man
You jumped out of the jelly into a jam
Make ya love the wrong instead of right
Not a thief cat burglar through the night
cop told your girl her name was Shirl
About a rooftop crime to steal her pearls
Oozy down the bullets in the gun
Just microwave themselves a ton
The you tried to help them all they can
But they couldn't do nuttin' for ya man
I can't do nuttin' for ya man
They couldn't do nuttin' for ya man
Flavor Fla
Public Enemy number one
Gotcha runnin' from the gun (pow)
Of a brain that weighs a ton
Can't face my facts that's on the shelf
Cause you want a hand out for your wealth
Eatin' welfare turkey out of the can
I can't do nuttin' for ya man
I can't do nuttin' for ya man
You want six dollars for what?
I can't do nuttin' for ya man
You better man kiss my but
I can't do nuttin' for ya man
I'm busy tryin' to do for me
I can't do nuttin' for ya man
That's the way the ball bounces gee
Bass for your face, kick that xxxx
I am glad you said that because you just described yourself and many on this site would agree with me.
* Wyclef Jean et Pras Michel, rappeurs américains membres du groupe Fugees.
* Gage chanteur de R'n'B canadien découvert par Corneille, est d'origine haïtienne et jamaïcaine.
* Alibi Montana rappeur français de son vrai prénom nickarson habitant la ville La Courneuve dépt 93 en France.
* Kery James rappeur français de son vrai nom Alix Mathurin.
* Missy Eliott, chanteuse, auteur, compositeur, a des origines haïtiennes (confirmé dans l'émission "Cribs")
* André 3000 (né André Benjamin), chanteur, auteur, compositeur du groupe Outkast a des origines haïtiennes
* DJ Whoo Kid D..J. américain membre du groupe de rap G-Unit, de son vrai nom Yves Mondésire.
* Usher, le « prince » du R'n'B américain, de son vrai nom Usher Raymond.
* Tony Yayo rappeur américain des G-Unit, de son vrai nom Marvin Bernard
Haitians excelling, achieving, and caring: another Haitian ivy league medical physician.
Weill Cornell's Dr. Jean Pape receives France's Legion d'Honneur
By Jonathan Weil
Pape
http://www.news.cornell.edu/chronicle/03/1.23.03/Pape_award.html
Dr. Jean W. Pape, an internationally recognized infectious disease expert and professor of medicine at Weill Cornell Medical College in New York City, has received France's highest distinction, the Legion d'Honneur, for his more than two decades of work fighting disease in his native Haiti. France's President Jacques Chirac made the award, citing Pape's "contributions to the improvement of the health of the Haitian people and that of people around the world
There are so many Haitians that have excelled around the world , however that is not the point, keep this in mind this just recently show business only, do not let me go back in History.
Name 3 Dominicans that are world famous. Sammy Sosa doesn't count because he is in Transit.
Pastor Troy - Haitian American
Quddus - MTV Total Request Live
Kwame Raoul - Senator of Illinois He is a Replacement for Barack Obama soon to be president
Oh I can seat here and name them all night but it will be pointless because you have no match
and Don't give me some Ghetto Super Star Dominicans that are only famous in DR I want to hear about Dominicans that are world Famous. Excluding Sammy Sosa like I said before he is in TRANSIT.
P.S. one more thing They must be ALIVE.
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Actually Lautaro from what I understand his mother is from the bahamas but haitian
there are alot more Haitians for one reason or other have chosen not to come out, I can understand why ,I have always been proud, no matter what saying that I am Haitian.
Check this short clip it summed how Haitian feel about Haiti, you will notice some additional stars that came out. It's in creole subtitle in english.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=1p6lmZfsbpY
As for you, rom1804 a.k.a. Mugabe´s lap dog, here´s your three:
1- Juan Luis Guerra, merengue singer and Grammy winner
2- Junot Diaz, writer, and winner of the Pulitzer Prize
3- Zoe Saldaña, Hollywood actress
Using your words, I could keep listing all night, but I have better things to do with my time than trading posts back and forth with a good for nothing noirist. As a poster told you earlier, keep to your Zimbabwean issues, specially now that your big boss is taking some heat from the opposition. Now I know that the british must have been out of their minds when they granted the knighthood to a nutcase like him.
Pick and choose I am neutral
Juan Luis Guerra, merengue singer and Grammy winner
2- Junot Diaz, writer, and winner of the Pulitzer Prize
3- Zoe Saldaña, Hollywood actress
NEVER HEARD OF THEM.
Lenny Kravitz of Singer/musician a Jewish father and a Haitian mother from the Bahamas.
Suzanne Malveaux News Anchor (CNN) from Louisiana her parents ancestry of Haitian.
Alexandre Dumas Writer/Play writer. The man in the iron mask, Count Of Monte Cristo and many more... Haitian
Lil wayne From Louisiana but of Haitian descent.
Rick Ross (Rapper)
Trick Daddy (Rapper)
Mack 10 (Rapper)
Pastor Troy (Rapper)
Romel The Tank (Boxer)
Jean-Claude Lamarre actor/Movie Producer played in Malcom X. Gang Of Roses and many Black Urban film in America.
Harold Perineau Actor (Michael) from TV series LOST.
Jean-Michel Basquiat Painter of Puerot Rican and Haitian parents.
Princess/ Later became Queen Anacaona: Taino queen - born in Yaguana (Today the town of Léogâne, a City in The Republic of Haiti); the flourishing capital of Xaragua, the most prosperous and heavily populated of the indigenous Taino kingdoms at the time of the European invasion. Anacaona - golden flower in the Taino language - was the younger sister of Béhéchio, king of Xaragua. ( Today Port –Au- Prince). She was married to the Taino chief, Caonabo, king of Maguana (the Cibao region), who, in 1494, was kidnapped by Christopher Columbus' troops and deported to Spain. (According to legend, Caonabo died en route to Spain when the Taino captives on board deliberately sank the ship in a last attempt to resist Spanish oppression.)
And he is still alive.
For all poor Haitians that have nothing better to do but to brag about unrealistic events, people and facts.
Get Your act together over Your Ayiti and improve instead of directing Your destructive and negative energy towards my country.
This is the main reason why other countries don't invest a penny on Your country, They know Your behavior to create pus and bad karma.
Once Cuba becomes a capitalist country, The Dominican Republic will lose a large percentage of the tourist market. Most of the Cigar Business. Enjoy it while you can. Cuba will be the new place to go once the walls come down and that will be very soon. MLB will start opening up camps in Cuba for new baseball stars waiting to play in Major League baseball.
A lot of people don't go to DR because it shares an Island with Haiti...that is why its best the two countries have good relations with each other. Its a win win situation.
Let's be realistic with Your opinions You guys are so envious of our achievements and will like to see us fail and be Your twin partner on failures and misachievements.
Thanks for Your good wishes but in the meantime I truly believe that Your comments fit better for Your failed country not ours.
At the end the good deal about your comments it's that Your people "Haitians" show a psychology principle of inferiority that states "Wishing others what You lack, need and haven't achieve by demonizing Their achievements"
Remember something else Cubans, Dominicans and Puerto Ricans share the same culture, heritage and brotherhood principles.
We have so many similarities in the history, Eugenio Maria de hostos (Puerto Rican) was a war Hero in Dominican Republic, Maximo Gomez (Dominican) was a war hero in Cuba.
At the end of the story Your guys "Haitians" are the "Lame duck" of the story for screwing everything around it. (PERIOD).
What achievements. DR average salary is less than $2400 a year. What achievement is that?
You base achievement by the society as a whole, not by individuals who managed to move outside of the box....born to rich parents or access that the average population doesn't have.
That's what separates third world from First world. First world the Average people have a potential of being comfortable and possibly rich in their society. That is not the case in either DR or Haiti.
I could care less where You are from, but most likely I'm 100% right; in regards of Your obnoxious and dumb comments read this same newspaper (Dominican Today) and read about all the investments that We have in Dominican Republic.
Can You say the same about Your country "FORREST GUMP", in the meantime stop being so "Dumb" and read, read, read and research more
President Pedro Santana was born in what is now Haiti
Oh....there is more
For all poor Haitians that have nothing better to do but to brag about unrealistic events, people and facts.
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Rubi, you are an idiot, thankfully there are not that many Dominicans like you, otherwise your country will not be what it is today, you have done so much for DR that you are seating comfortably in NY, spewing non-sense. You are in dire need of proper etiquette, please do some research use analogy, metaphor, comparism, and facts if you want to impress the forum, we have heard over and over your re-heated same old song. Do us a favor if you can not be more objective just "shut up” or join the beginner forum "english sin barrera" .
Remember something else Cubans, Dominicans and Puerto Ricans share the same culture, heritage and brotherhood principles.
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Can you care to expound on this, you are an alnaphabet. Cuban DR, PR Haiti are latin countries
with strong african influence.
That's funny for a country whose (aside from foriegn remittances and exports) major source of capital (about a billion or so) comes from tourism. I'm a proud dominican, who accepts DR with all it's flaws and virtues but to some of the characters on this forum---please, do some research on DR before posting. I have nothing against a person leaving their homeland trying to find a better life-my main beef is with the Haitian government.
Room 1804, what the hell is your malfunction? Have you ever even been to DR? Have you nothing else to do than spout negativity on this forum and make comments that you obviously pulled out of your a**? Eres un odioso.