From: United States
Why don't you leave la republica dominicana if yall don't want to be discriminated against. There is a reported 2 million hatians in the D.R, do you think we want more. It is called La REPUBLICA DOMINICANA not La REPUBLICA DOMINICANA i HAiTIANA
Written by: MrDom, 24 Jun 2008 1:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo, DN
Bueno!!!!!!!!!
From: United States, New York City
Dozens will make quite an impact...but on a serious note, what is the measurable impact of theatric politics like this?
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
And in Paris of course...but of course.....France the root cause of the whole problem
Written by: zak325, 24 Jun 2008 2:36 PM
From: United States
I used to work in the building that houses the Dominican consulate in Times Square, there are protests against Dominican government policies every 4 to 6 months or so. No one notices, never makes the news but it's their right to voice their opinion.
Written by: juanb, 24 Jun 2008 2:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic
If they showed up in front of their own embassy their own soldiers would beat the crap out of them. Better for them to protest in front of ours.
From: United States
what do haitians have to protest for what do they expect when they come to D.R. health care this is a fact when people come from a poor country to another poor country they wont find 5 dollar an hour jobs with benefits they will just find a big sugarcane mill that's it.
From: United States
How can illegal aliens be "discriminated against", they are criminals by definition?
From: Haiti
Honestly I think these protest are done by misinformed people that feels haitians are shackled and oppressed by dominicans. I, a haitian national, don't agree with this and it will only further the plight of the poor haitians in RD while the diaspora in NY go about there business. Who the hell is organising this protest. I swear the NGO's are making a long long career of the plights of my people and blaming the dominicans for everything. Geez, this is upsetting and counter productive. P.S. I am not condoning the treatment of some haitians that are illegal in the DR but c'mon it isn't that bad as they make it seems. Many haitians study at the top universities with there own money by the way.work in the medical field and legal field in the DR and haitian business owners have great relations with dominican businessmen. What the hell is the hoola about. Rubi, where are you..lol.. I swear the NGO's might retire here..lol..of our misery and misfortunate..Im going to them send my CV
From: Haiti
Batguano101,
Be careful since the are like 11 million hispanic criminals in the USA turning it to a banana republic. Let's not go beyond ourselves. Whether illegal or not people have rights. We can not treat people like sh$% because they are undocumented..isn't that what they call it in the states..How can one be undocumented when they have papers from their country of birth..LOLOLOL..wrong papers yeah but undocumented..give me a break..illegal
Written by: bernies, 24 Jun 2008 4:38 PM
From: United States, falls church va
These people should go back to their country if they are not wanted were they are. it is simple if you crossed the border illegal and are in a country illegal you are plain and simple braking that country law. it happens everywhere so why dominican has to suffer from these people come there and get jobs a lot easier than a dominican. can somebody explain that to me because i can't get it.
From: Dominican Republic, Montellano
One thing that always get me is the fact some Haitian kid is always playing small with flattery just so they could avoid backlash from some Dominicans whoa re extremist radicals in their views of Haitians. It is not the fact those illegals Haitians indeed are not illegal that is disputable, it is in fact Human Rights Violations have been proven to be at play and those violations have been motivated due to proven racial discrimination than it is of Dominicans trying to protect their Sovereignty. By most means and indeed the Dominican Republic has and reserve the right to protect their sovereignty as I know a mass exodus of Haitian migrants will not serve DR right due and given the economical stand point; granted... However, keeping generations of new borns on DR's soil under the so called "In Transition" status is just as illegal of an act as the actual immigrant or migrant who got in into DR illegally. In Transition to what exactly?
From: Dominican Republic, Montellano
TRANSITION |tran'zi sh ?n; -'si sh ?n| - Noun: The process or a period of changing from one state or condition to another : students in transition from one program to another | a transition to multiparty democracy.
• A passage in a piece of writing that smoothly connects two topics or sections to each other.
• Music a momentary modulation from one key to another.
• Physics a change of an atom, nucleus, electron, etc., from one quantum state to another, with emission or absorption of radiation.
VERB: Transitioning - from transire, thus "To go Across" Undergo or cause to undergo a process or period of transition...
[ Trans]: The network ought to be built by the federal government and then transitioned into private industry.
[ Intrans]: We have transitioned from a high-intensity combat operation to a support role in the community.
From: Dominican Republic, Montellano
Thus... Transition: Noun - the transition from school to work change, passage, move, transformation, conversion, metamorphosis, alteration, handover, changeover; segue, shift, switch, jump, leap, progression; progress, development, evolution, flux.
Written by: Belial, 24 Jun 2008 5:01 PM
From: United States, Texas
This is a good idea.
But they got to back up protest with political action: otherwise it is useless and pointless anarchism -- that is, abstention from political struggle.
The presidential race is one place to begin or continue political action.
Written by: rom1804 
, 24 Jun 2008 5:04 PM
From: Zimbabwe
LOL THIS IS TOO FUNNY! I think they should have done it on the 1st of July..... I cant' wait to see Rubi's post on this one LOL. I'm sure the IC's are playing a big part of this GO IC GO IC GO
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
why not violence it worked in the past for the commies ...firing squads and all....King Wanker tell them about it
From: Dominican Republic, Montellano
Lastly, there are not 2 Million Haitians in DR. This is an over exaggeration that is aimed to justify their means as excuses for backing & keeping the "In Transition" status on Haitians living in DR. Granted if this "In Transition" was effectively a process that was expatriating the illegals back to Haiti daily and constant as soon as they enter DR that would have been way more legit of a status. However you do not openly exploit the cheap labor of those so called "In Transition" to get the DR infrastructural construction and Agricultural Economy going and then get rid of humans at your will when you no longer wish to have a need for them anymore. This has never been a census number as within this census itself you would not have had a number to indicate an accuracy of illegals especially if there is not kind of program that could allow actual illegal migrants to come out of the shadow to boldly say they are illegals. Anyhow, this would have been improbable to be accurate.
Written by: rom1804 , 24 Jun 2008 5:21 PM
From: Zimbabwe
One day I swear they are going to send Sammy Sosa back to Haiti with an IN TRANSIT FORM shoved up his you know what/
From: United States
Jaba- if I may be so bold.
But of course the USA is banana republic-ish with our some 14 million illegal aliens, but this is more an economic plan of those who control our congress and have titrated effective wages down via a cheap pool of labor, nothing to be troubled about there. The 14 million have brought superb tortas with them, so there is a balance, move along, nothing to see there.
The rights of men, now there is a topic. The Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights of the USA did not simply separate from England but defined those very rights of men. But in so doing, did they not apply them to the nation? Yes, and inspired men everywhere to do the same.
Would then, sir, it be more prudent, effective, and wise, for men to work toward the betterment of their own nation than to invade another?
I say yes, that is the case. And urge those misdirecting their vigor against their neigbors to reinvest it in their own cause at home.
From: United States
Bern- of Falls Church...home of....we will let that go for the moment.
Yes, you sum it up nicely.
From: Dominican Republic, Montellano
There are certain stigmas about Haitians that Dominicans like to use to justify their xenophobes for Haitians and which they always deny having when the deep historical inherited resentments and made up differences by former conquerors and the long struggles among past ancestors remains and can be seeing by any naked eyes how strong the hatred and racial tension is between the two nations inhabiting this single Island which is reflected on the tenacity of both people's lack of engagement toward peace or for alternate better political or should I say rather social diplomatic relations to bring about better peaceful resolutions. Then again, peace with Haiti has never been the aim for most Dominicans to ever even begin with, once again given the history. There are threads that are about peaceful suggestions on here "A THREAD FOR/OF PEACE" However watch how much it would get rather ridiculed and denied to show you the hatred is deeper than both Dominicans & Haitian want to admit.
From: United States
Consuelo- you are swept up in definitions to obsession, could this indicate some unnamed fetish?
That side, dangling the carrot, you do not plant the hook, to conclude your thesis.
From: United States
Consuelo- weren't you a man recently with the handle of Hispanola, since you DO spring the trap of illogic shut hard to contend a common unified Hispanola, with nothing but sameness where difference is swept aside for the profit of those unwilling to contend with their own nation.
Let all salesmen identify the product at the door.
From: United States
GC- you must identify the players- wankers must only wank upon proper introduction.
From: United States
Falls Chruch- it looks like a social engineering project in progress here.
Jump in if I am mistaken.
From: Dominican Republic, Montellano
Listen my friend, when talking about unifying Hispaniola, by all means it does not mean one governance body or Estate. No, more so instead or rather a reconciliatory process to get the people to come together in living in a more amicable Hispaniola with much better civility, peace and dignity in respectful accordance with and for human rights. In case you chosen to ignore and be stubborn with hatred and personal racial resentments and divide about the possibility that there indeed can be unity even between two Estates even when both Countries and Nations are still sovereignly independent but with better foreign relations, diplomacy on certain level of social and political awareness to better survive eventually economically. So indeed of your own words: Let all salesmen identify the product at the door or perhaps with a mirror.
Written by: Belial, 24 Jun 2008 6:04 PM
From: United States, Texas
"why not violence it worked in the past for the commies ...firing squads and all....King Wanker tell them about it"
oooo
This from a specimen of pro-imperialist scum as he yawns over the war-related deaths of 2,000,000 Iraqis since the unjustified and unprovoked US aggression in March 2003.
Written by: ny4life, 24 Jun 2008 6:05 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
The situation is being hyped up like Jabao said. It's not as bad as the international community maskes it seem. Haitians are not slaves, the roamly freely in DR, work, some live and have families there, and they live better than they would in Haiti.
From: United States
conHispanman-
Clearly, without question, or debate, the proper conclusion can be none other than 2 million visitors returning home since the 3 day rule of fish and guests applies.
Then you may pursue your agenda, within your borders, where it is fitting and proper.
Chinese proverb- man confused with gender, confused with all else. Find first stand up or sit down, then think straight.
From: United States
ny4- that roaming freely part seems to be the issue at hand, rather than any other
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Sounds like we are talking about free range Haitians....correct ?
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Bat the Wanker just wanked and called me pro imperialist scum
From: United States
GC- if it were really and rightly a free range there would be no rustling, only the gentle drift of cattle feeding in tranquility on the range, but there is no free and open range, the issue at hand.
Some clearly not only open range, but open ice box as well.
There was a time in Texas when no doors had locks in small towns, and children would walk into the neighbors house, open the ice box, fix a sandwich, if they were home or not. Such simpler times no longer exist today.
Both the open range and the open ice box are no more. Demanding them so now seems unseemly, since they were so of free will in the past, not demands. That is an era gone.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Today they would go in open the icebox and take the beer
From: United States
The point is Haitians have over stepped themselves, overstayed, and over demanded.
Nothing could be more inappropriate than imposing, forcing, demanding, preaching invasion, then to justify themselves shout racism.
They sound like Hamas.
No group to imitate.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Ah yes the smokescreen of the Slimy race card dealt off the bottom of the deck once more
From: United States
Racism exists, but when the issue is not connected, it is not a justification.
I refer you to the prior discussion of cattle rustlers on these matters.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
racism and the I am a victim routine we all have heard it many times .....why is it the Chinese who have suffered abuse and racism and a lot of it for hundreds of years have risen to the top in our society now occupying a position of respect ...without the constant whining and complaining ....tell me
From: United States
Racism is a major force used in the USA today, a doctrine to harm, and Dominicans would be wise to reject the role demanded and manipulated by those of that doctrine, since not one person of any origins or "pedigree" as the doctrine is presented would benefit in any way.
Haitian invasion is to the benefit of that doctrine of hate in the USA, not in the least to help or benefit Haitians but to the harm of Dominicans.
If this thesis is not apparent, it is only because the doctrine of hate itself is twisted, and ultimately seeks the harm of many, to the benefit of an ever decreasing few. Best to avoid its social engineering and "pedigree" delusions all together when possible.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Hear hear
From: United States
batguano, you seem fairlyeducated. Do you know that the dominican government is part of the reason for the influx of haitians in DR. Contrary to popular belief, the major construction boom is happening in DR because of the cheap haitian laborers. DR hasn't risen to the point where it can attract foreign investment on its own without the presence of cheap labor. Cheap Labour = haitians. And you know very well, how the rich on both sides of the islands control how the government works. If the DR government wanted to eliminate the influx of haitians dramatically, i honestly feel that they would be doing a much better job. In a way, haitians are somewhat welcomed by the elites for their cheap labor. Money is what makes the world go round, and in the case of DR i feel that money is part of the blame for the haitian influx.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Anonymous and rightfully so....explain boom in Costa Rica and Panama and elsewhere ....You are looking out there on the grassy knoll for nothing....this boom is happening in many third world countries....Do we have enough free range Haitians to go around....a lot of people need jobs ...except in communist countries where people just pretend to work
From: United States
The problem at hand is more complex than people think. The haitian and dominican government need to work together to curtail the influx of haitians entering DR. Moreover, the haitian government needs to attain stability in order to attract foreign investments that can help its inhabitants. At the same point, no matter what is said and done. I feel that without the haitians, Dominican Republic will lose some of its appeal for foreign investments and rapid economic growth. I maybe wrong, but I somewhat believe that the hated haitians, should get a better treatment. The influx of haitians should be curtailed, but i feel a humane manner of doing it would be the right thing to do.
From: United States
Goulet, Im not looking into Panama and the other countries. I am looking at articles stating that 80% of construction workers are of haitian descent. Not to mention the history of DR importing haitians to cut sugar cane, and to help with agriculture. i am not really going to the grassy knolls, it's really facts. Each country have their own strategy for experiencing an economic growth. In the case of Dominican Elites, the haitian labor is a good way to make their pockets bigger. If you have any article to discredit my statements, I am open to looking at them.
From: Haiti
Consuello I am through with you. You just are dealing with issues beyond DR/Haitian relations. I am not here to please dominicans..the get a cocotazo too if out of line but c'mon..enough with this bullshit..Why the hell are we(haitians) going to the dominican consul crying discrimination and racism as if DR is some KKK racist hanging the poor black haitian. We know human rights have been violated but you have to remember that we treat our own the same. No it doesn't make it right but how many damn protest. I mean it looks real bad on us..making Rubi the playboy heat with more anger..and this time I can't play the jigalow. We need to protest that we haven't find a prime minister and the deputies are horsing around trying too hard not to let the opposition in. I will the first to denounce this senseless protest. They had one already.that was enough..Dominicans themselves are dealt a bad card too and taken advantage of. We need to fix home than repatriate our people first.
From: United States
jabao that was honest, straight up post. I respect your cander.
From: Haiti
Dominicans are struggling too and DR is still a third world country where poverty and lack of education is high. Let's focus on Haiti more than DR. DR has the right to deport illegals..it's not fair but if they are illegal what can we do..look at the root which goes to P au Prince..Lets protest and the haitian consulate for making poor haitians cross border illegal to a poor country like DR looking for work which they've found and many are happpy despite the issues. but like one haitian worker told me..it beats having nothing in Haiti..la paix..enough with this bullshit..NGO's I am sending you my CV..I want to party and vacation on teh misery of people too..ya mezanmi..I will tape you some happy illegal haitians in DR if this protest goes on..lol..enough.damn I am becoming a radical..lol..seriously this time..this is a race card that isn't going to hit the table..enough we sound liek wimpy victims..let's protest the real problem..haitian government..
From: Haiti
Cibaeno75 where the hell you've been. I was asking the forum about you..Well, glad that u are here..I am straight up and fair..this is enough already..DR ain't mississippi..carajo..toy jaaaaaaaaaaarto..lol..I swear if this protest goes I will make a tape of some happy illegal haitians in Benito Gonzalez to make these NGO's and puppets stringing along look stupid..it's not that im denying the situation..but enough already..i am still waiting for a damn prime minister..we should be outrage and taking the streets of NYC or wherever for this bullshit..candid..real is me..later..rubi, is shocked and out of words...lol...
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Hear hear Jabao more than a little truth in what you say my friend .....And anonymous human nature being what it is the lowest on the rung whoever they may be will do the work and be thankful for the opportunity for a job....Growing up in the great city of Toronto which was mostly built by Italians who came in the late 40s and 50s and 60s...The Italians were also discriminated against....Now they own the city
From: United States
The main concern that I have stemming from illegal haitian immigration is the plight of those who were born on Dominican soil. But to be frank that is of no concern of these haitian groups who wish to demonstrate in front of the Dominican consulate for these people are not haitian even if their parents where. IT IS A DOMINICAN ISSUE. As far as the before mentioned group, the offsprings of illegals born and raised on dominican soil, it should be Dominicans themselves that should demonstrate in front of the consulate to demand that their countrymen get to excercise their rights as Dominicans. And please people, keep in mind that the number of those born in DR without papers is nowhere near a million. I doubt if it's even a tenth of that figure but if it is so be it.
From: United States
"The Italians were also discriminated against....Now they own the city"
If they're anything like the majority of new yorkers of italian descent then they most likely discriminate against everyone else who came after them....
From: United States
"Cibaeno75 where the hell you've been. I was asking the forum about you.."
I'm alive and well my freind. I've been preoccupied conducting personal research. As you know the quest for knowledge never ends.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Ciby that is the way life is ...each society has to have someone to look down on thats how it is...the boricuas who were the first to come to NYC took a lot of abuse for you in the early days of Latino immigration
From: United States
"the boricuas who were the first to come to NYC took a lot of abuse for you in the early days of Latino immigration"
And gave alot of abuse to us, the dominicans, during the intial phases of our immigration to the states(you have no idea how many puerto rican classmates who failed to realize I was Dominican when making a dispariging remark about my people ended up with a bloody nose or busted lip back in grammar school..lol). Doesn't make it right. It's a ridiculous cycle. You have no idea how many italians I've put to shame that thought they can pull their would-be WASP act on what they thought was an ignorant latin (Italian-Americans suffer from that. They underestimate other people's intelligence and overestimate their own). In the end it all comes down to knowledge of self and others. With a strong base in that sector no one can ever look down on you and there is no need for you to do so either.
Written by: Belial, 24 Jun 2008 9:29 PM
From: United States, Texas
As a rule, electoral struggle has four steps -- talks, walks, campaigns, and votes.
"Talks" are called conferences, summits, meetings, seminars, talking shops, forums. etc.
"Walks" are called marches, demonstrations, protests, clashes, parades, etc. [The NYC protesters have reached this step ... apparently.]
"Campaigns" are called budgeting and planing, fundraising, targeting, voter contact, free media, paid media, candidate activity, opposition research, volunteers, anti-fraud operations, GOTV, etc.
"Votes" are called GOTV (get out the vote) or elections or polls.
If you're only for talks and walks, then you're anarchist garbage.
Generally, if you're only for campaigns and votes, then you're bourgeois trash.
Where do the protesters in NYC fall in this paradigm?
Whatever the case, if you win or lose the electoral struggle, you will still have to wage a legislative struggle.
No wonder the lazy anarchist garbage says "Why bother? Just talk and walk."
From: United States
""Votes" are called GOTV (get out the vote) or elections or polls.
If you're only for talks and walks, then you're anarchist garbage.
Generally, if you're only for campaigns and votes, then you're bourgeois trash."
So how would you have people make change in their respective societies belial?
Written by: Belial, 24 Jun 2008 9:40 PM
From: United States, Texas
"So how would you have people make change in their respective societies belial?"
oooo
On every issue, the Dominican bourgeoisie is servile in the extreme to the US bourgeoisie .
But is the Dominican bourgeoisie servile to a liberal US regime or does the Dominican bourgeoisie suddenly become proudly sovereign when the US regime is liberal?
These NYC protesters better get into political action before the cringing Dominican bourgeoisie endorses Obama.
0000
BLOWOUT, BOUNCE, BREAKOUT
15 point lead
Bloomberg/ LATimes
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/new....amp;sid=agCTbSDJ83rc&refer=usDouble-digit?
Bigtime!
What lie will Rasmussen tell tomorrow?
CAUSE: The US people believe that another terrorist attack on the USA benefits McCain.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Ciby of course they looked down on you that is the point...you and your group made them feel better about themselves...whether Italians or Greeks ..the English lording it over the Irish whatever this is human nature everywhere.....diligence with fortitude will pay off.....I am ashamed to admit because we had no Blacks or Latinos in Canada at that time the Italians were our minority to look down on and scorn....this self knowledge of predjudice I hope helps me deal with others today I am ashamed of past behavior and thank goodness I dicovered Italian food to go with the soul music and latin rhythms that I grew to love as an teenager and a young man
Written by: arcatype , 24 Jun 2008 9:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Since the 80's it's been said that theirs 1 million illegal haitians in Dominican Republic, today theirs 2 million illegal haitians in the D.R. Whats expected from a failed state but protest!!!!!
Written by: DaniDr, 24 Jun 2008 10:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
As many people said, I live in Santo Domingo and I can also tell you Haitians are not being prosecuted as the media says. In fact, I never seen problems between and Haitian and a Dominican that would escalate to "dangerous" levels. Now, what I do notice is that most of Haitians don't like to get used to the DR culture, they want to bring all their daily habits and borrow none from the DR.
Written by: rom1804 , 24 Jun 2008 10:57 PM
From: Zimbabwe
Dani you've seen the rich Haitians or the Americanized ones not being persecuted by the Dominicans but when was the last time you've taken a trip to the bateys.
Written by: Lautaro, 24 Jun 2008 11:25 PM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
As Jabao said, if they´re going to protest about something, it should be against the paralysis that is currently affecting the haitian government, which stems from the parliament´s negative to endorse any candidate for Prime Minister that Preval may bring on the spotlight. You'll have to excuse me for meddling into your affairs, but things will not get going on Haiti until the haitian people find it in themselves the will to get rid of those parlamentarian bastards, which are proffiting from the current apathy on governmental affairs, because, without a strong executive, nobody will be able to monitor their acitvities, since they'd keep being the only legitimate source of power in the haitian state.
Written by: Lautaro, 24 Jun 2008 11:35 PM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
For your info, rom, the majority of the haitian nationals living in the DR can be found on the big cities (Santo Domingo, Santiago, Higuey, San Francisco, etc...) and the bateyeros are currently very few, because, since the government privatized the sugar industry, this one would suffer the same fate that befall on any branch of the DR economy once it gets privatized: the new, private owner, kicks out a lot of the workers in order to "put a cut on the costs". Hence, you'll find that many of these bateyeros did as any dominican campesino would do when he/she is deprived of their means of living: he/she moves out to the cities with the rest of his/her family, in order to earn a living working on the informal sector of the economy as a chiripero, or, as the majority of the male population finds themselves currently, get into the payroll of any of the major construction consortiums that are making a profit with the wave of projects that you can find on the country.
Written by: Mnemonic, 24 Jun 2008 11:43 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I really don't know the reason why I stopped at this page and read all the comments .
Does anybody here have any dual nationality , I mean those whose parents are from both countries?
Have you ever leave your country for some where else,in quest of better life?
How do you feel when been treated in the same way that you treat others, wrongly?
Here is the situation : Americans , with their immigration policies , are kicking Dominicans asses and Dominicans in turn are kicking Haitians asses (lol)
it is just funny that we only can see our "differences" , differences that are mostly created for the purpose of hatred. Listen... we teach our kids to hate , that was what our parents taught us. Dominicans are seen as Bitches,hookers, and thieves in Haiti , .Haitians alway mistaken them with those sexual workers, I dare you to come home with a Dominican girl . Here in DR ,it is the same ,when you are Haitian they see you as slaves, ugly blacks , low class ,cockroaches etc
From: United States
If Rubirosa was truly banned that's BS...however disagreeable I found most of his opinions (and as an extension he himself) he has every right to weigh in on Dominican issues. If he is truly banned I will seriously consider retiring from this site.
* This post was in response to a post made by "White" who seems to be some type of moderator on here or perhaps fancies himself one, I really don't know. White had indicated that rubirosa had been banned but the post which said as much has been deleted-C75
Written by: Lautaro, 24 Jun 2008 11:50 PM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
(cont...) when I talk about chiripero, I refer to the fact that they can be found earning their bread on a variety of trades, be it as a motoconchista, selling wares on the local markets, foodstuffs, boot cleaners (specially the children), and the like. That they find themselves being ocasionally scorned and despised by some of the people in here is a given, but then, which inmigrant on this planet is not despised when he/she finds him/herself living on a foreign land, more so when it's on an undocumented condition? Heck, the IC should be giving this country a recognition for taking charge of some of the affairs of its hard pressed neighbours, specially if we consider that the DR have some issues of its own that it need to be solved ASAP.
Written by: Mnemonic, 24 Jun 2008 11:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic
MY opinion is : world is getting smaller , b.c of more people living in it . If we r not helping each others we will die alone. Haiti have problems,Immigration in Dominican can be a real problem, but are there only Haitian Immigrants ? what about the Chinese does anybody think about how many chinos live in DR ...Dominicans welcome anybody except Haitians why??? I believe only our generation can fix that , the Island is the only place where we can live. Even divided we can help each others and long life to our nations .
The problem is not an immigration issue the problem is more Haitian/Dominican brotherhood.
By the way , Haiti is the second economic partner of DR after the US .
Written by: Lautaro, 25 Jun 2008 12:05 AM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
The fact, Mnemonic, is one of visibility, because, if you haven´t realized it yet: 1) the chinese are very few (even if you compare it with the other groups, as the west indians (cocolos), spanish, italians, americans, etc.) which can be found concentrated in Santo Domingo's Chinatown and Bonao and 2) like in the cubans' case, they only use the DR as a bridge to get into the US mainland, and the few that remain here are actually stinkingly rich, which counts a lot on this heavily classist society. And before you try to cut my throat, this is not my personal opinion, but the one from the citizens on the street that I have queried about this situation.
From: United States
You have to realize, mnemonic, that there are also ancient animosities involved in the whole domnico-haitian situation, animosities which have been kept alive by succeeding generations of psuedo-intellectuals who have exerted considerable influence over dominican popular thought.
Written by: White, 25 Jun 2008 12:33 AM
From: United States
Courtesy of the American Heritage Dictionary.
bitch = A female canine animal, especially a dog. Offensive. A woman considered to be spiteful or overbearing. A lewd woman. A complaint. Something very unpleasant or difficult.
hooker = A person who solicits payment for sex. A prostitute.
thief = One who steals, especially one who steals movable property by stealth rather than force.
slave = One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household. One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence.
ugly = Displeasing to the eye; unsightly. Repulsive or offensive; objectionable. Threatening or ominous.
Black = relating to, or belonging to a racial group having brown to black skin, especially one of African origin: the Black population of South Africa. Of, relating to, or belonging to an American ethnic group descended from African peoples having dark skin; African American; Afro-American.
Written by: White, 25 Jun 2008 12:39 AM
From: United States
Courtesy of the American Heritage Dictionary.
low·er class, The class or classes of lower than middle rank in a society.
cockroach = Any of numerous oval, flat-bodied insects of the family Blattidae, including several species that are common household pests.
Written by: Mnemonic, 25 Jun 2008 1:06 AM
From: Dominican Republic
tkx ! White... do you have any thoughts of yours that can educate us on the situation ?
Written by: Belial, 25 Jun 2008 1:08 AM
From: United States, Texas
This " White" who is so informative about matters of race is a colorless tinker.
Written by: White, 25 Jun 2008 1:50 AM
From: United States
Mnemonic, In order for Haiti to establish a normal relation with DR and it's people, Haiti needs to repatriate it's people. Reinstate the Army, Navy and Air force thus creating jobs for it's citizens. Rebuild it's infrastructure, judicial system and invest heavily on education. A movement like this will allow Haiti to take care of it's citizens and compete with other countries.
Written by: Mnemonic, 25 Jun 2008 2:08 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Agree with that ...But since DR is the one suffered from this affluence wouldn't be the first country to give help to Haiti (I consider help Haiti means face the immigration problem). If your were DR president "white"where would you start to help them.
Written by: Lautaro, 25 Jun 2008 9:16 AM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
Back to the issue at hand, the only thing that this protest will accomplish, in my humble opinion, is to make the people that haven't taken sides on the issue in the dominican society to finally define themselves, and it might not be on the one sharing the same tune as the one from the side of the inmigrants. Most of all, this protest might accomplish quite the opposite to what the organizers are perceived to want, in the sense that it might alienate the people already simpathetic to their cause, because these people might perceive, and justly so, that there's some hidden agenda at work, and not one characterized for having the DR's best wishes at heart.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Lautaro you got that right HIDDEN AGENDA
Written by: rjb727, 25 Jun 2008 9:34 AM
From: United States
Jabao,
You are 100 % right. You opinion reflects that of many haitians.
From: United States
"the only thing that this protest will accomplish, in my humble opinion, is to make the people that haven't taken sides on the issue in the dominican society to finally define themselves, and it might not be on the one sharing the same tune as the one from the side of the inmigrants. Most of all, this protest might accomplish quite the opposite to what the organizers are perceived to want, in the sense that it might alienate the people already simpathetic to their cause, because these people might perceive, and justly so, that there's some hidden agenda at work, and not one characterized for having the DR's best wishes at heart. "
I agree with you 100%.
From: Haiti
I am tired of being sick and tired. As Lautaro said this protest will only push many dominicans to take sides which won't favour illegal haitians. This isn't about dominicans dont like haitians nor racism/discrimination. It's about a false image that portrays dominicans as the oppressors of illegal haitians which is false false false. I, a haitian national, appear to be taking sides with dominicans on this issue. It's getting tiring and fustrating to see diasporas in NY wasting there time. Go to the damn haitian consulate and protest why the hell are haitians migrating to the DR in the first place. As I said alot of situations needs to be address but haitians aren't hanged for being haitian. I am think their might be an agenda towards the dominican government by the NGO's. To my compatriots I can speak from experience since I have lived in the DR and know alot of haitians that lives there but are legal. Barking up the wrong damn tree.
From: Haiti
DaniDR, I am curious to know what habits that your are referring to that Haitians in the DR haven't given up? Please you want to meet a Haitian that has money and will by you drinks and talk about the good life. I will send you my number so can get out of zona colonial and venture off to where Haitians frequent where dominicans/haitians don't care if you are from america/europe. We've been there and done that. Next you'll start mentioning why dominicans always want money from you and see you as a walking ATM. There (dominicans) habits are so not what you're use to. One question do you get as much attention if you were in your own country or just another Daniboy going about his business. It's easy to walk with you nose up if you surround yourself with people that are not on the same level with you but they too should be respected.
Written by: Euromax, 25 Jun 2008 10:26 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bona, The holy land of the west
kick them all out!! we dont neeed them!!!
From: Haiti
Prietomax, are you sure about that. If illegal haitians would ALL be repatriated DR would come to a complete halt. One day without haitians in the DR would be a nigthmare.
Written by: Lautaro, 25 Jun 2008 10:33 AM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
Some people can't seem to avoid shooting themselves in the foot, don't you agree, Jabao?
Written by: antonioj, 25 Jun 2008 10:34 AM
From: Canada, Oakville on terra firma
well said, they should protest in front of France embassy, they created the mess
From: Haiti
Lautaro, I heat arisen from my body reading this nonsense. I said to myself another protest..wasn't the one enough.sure these people aren't the one in the DR living so they don't care about the repercussions of the people they claim to want to help. I am going to find out the number of this organization and give them a peace of my mind. I had it up to my head with this bullshit as if dominicans are walking around with white sheets over their head chasing haitians across the border. Again I will reiterate alot of things need to be taken into concern but another protest. Why? Ok, we know there are issue now let's tackle the issue in P-au-P first. The should camp out at the haitian consulate everyday for the misery of the majority that the government has force to leave. I will be the first to march with Rubi for the end of the propaganda..LOL Antonioj even going to the France embassy is secondary.haitian consulate first. We need to take responsibilities too. Gosh enough.
From: United States
"sure these people aren't the one in the DR living so they don't care about the repercussions of the people they claim to want to help."
I concur.
From: Haiti
These NGO's and other organisations want to send their kids off to college and leave lavish off this DR/Haitian thing. I have a plan that will counter this negative campaing and make me some money at the same time..lol..it's all about the dollars..well now euros.dollars isn't worth anythign these days. This protest is a waste of time and throwing flame into the fire. Dominicans and Haitians alike should make pickets sending them to their own consulate to protest about the injustice in Haiti..Gosh I am so liberal and try to walk the straight line but these NGO's are pushing it..
Written by: antonioj, 25 Jun 2008 2:04 PM
From: Canada, Oakville on terra firma
Jabao and Lautaro what is the real use of these NGO's besides their own of course, can they outlaw them (sound like the perfect storm to me). Their goal appear to undermine legitimate apsiration of 3rd world nations
Written by: Lautaro, 25 Jun 2008 2:16 PM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
I have heard that they've been outlawed in some countries, antonioj, specially in mainland China and the Russian Federation. In fact, a lot of the recent quarrels between Russia and the European Union have their source on Putin's absolute refusal to allow international NGO's to operate in russian soil.
From: Haiti
Antonioj, that's an excellent question. You have to remember the get funded by revealing discrimination/racism of the unprivileged around the world. The more misery and inequality they portray in a country the more money they receive. I think this DR/Haitian gig has been there retirement plan. Manipulating our historical differences to live off the misery of both haitians and dominicans. Rubi, hasn't posted yet and I mention him several times. Either he is solitary confinement or is taking creole courses. Where is the guy? I have to say I got use to him being around.
From: United States
"Where is the guy? I have to say I got use to him being around. "
Someone mentioned that he was banned from this site. I'd really like to know if that's true.
Written by: Lautaro, 25 Jun 2008 3:40 PM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
Apparently the guy is simply absent, cibaeño, because I checked his profile right now and it's still active (as opposed to what's happening to Hispanolano, whose profile, if you check it out, will have a message saying: "User is banned")
From: United States
I'm not for anybody being banned unless they're incessantly abusive toward other posters. Why on earth would they ban hispalano? The guy's a little out there but he's made for some interesting moments on here, to say the least..lol
Written by: Lautaro, 25 Jun 2008 4:01 PM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
Beats me, although I suspect that it all had to do with the little quarrel that he had with buenoha and Shin on one of the forums threads.
Written by: antonioj, 25 Jun 2008 4:17 PM
From: Canada, Oakville on terra firma
It appears that Hispanolyosoy came back under consuelo, Hispanolyosoy is like Rubi on steroid. I am not sure what Dominican today criteria is, however if ignorance is one of them there is a good a chance Rubi could be next, to be banned.
Written by: arcatype , 25 Jun 2008 4:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Haiti is not going to change! unless France is willing to pour at least 500 billion euro's to build its infrastructure. After all they are responsible for the mess they created there. Bringing over 2 million slaves and working them till their death, endlessly like a recycling factory from 1697 to 1802.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
What about the Wanker from Wiki ...the Resident commie stooge....when they made Belial they threw away the mold and then they beat the bejesus out of the mold maker....Should he be banned for wanting to see a local famous disco burned with the so called racists inside dancing in the fire...or for dumb comments about captured Latino GIs in Iraq....bad form and ignorance were a crime there would be no parole for him...but not banned from DT
From: United States, Long island, NY
"Who may concern"
I'm still here till I die............................
From: Dominican Republic, From a yanikeke stand near you
jabao haiti needs more people like you, people that see the big picture and choose to be part of the solution not the problem. maybe you can influence mr. preval to end the political roadblock and select a premier that will help haiti move foward in the road of economic progress and stability
From: United States, Long island, NY
jabaohaitian:
Eventhough We had few issues already, Your comments are realistic and respectful too.
You are a honorable man...
I do like honest people like You and best of all separating facts from everything else.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Rubi...where were you visiting your old buddy Josean.?...it was too quite around here
From: United States, Long island, NY
GC:
Working a lot on my business..
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Hope you made a ton of money ...this country needs more business and less socialism....dont forget to pay your taxes the govrnment cant wait to waste them
From: Haiti
Rubi, either you didn't receive your direct deposit government cheese check to pay your internet connection or you were in solitary confinement and not able to use the pc in the recreational room. FYI, Preval has his had tied behind his back regarding choosing a prime minister. The first candidate was more than qualified but the second candidate blows where opportunity to make a quick buck and dash to exile. Did consuello aka hispaniolasoy get banned again. Also there are many Haitians that dont blame the DR as there are many Dominicans that doesn't see Haitians as there enemy. Only if the others can find some sort of balance will be fine.
Written by: bankai, 27 Jun 2008 3:03 PM
From: United States, Long Island
There will be balance if and when the haitiano government will wake up and give jobs to its people so that they stop crossing our borders. this is a worldwide problem which is why we have immigration to other nations in the first place.
From: Iraq, 10 billion dollars a month for nothing
gouletcolonial, get off the crack dude
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Chill your back ...how much was your bail?
From: Iraq, 10 billion dollars a month for nothing
Why protest in front Dominican consulate, if the Dominican Republic allows the sugar companies it’s because that the way it has been set up for years. Centuries actually, ask yourself. Who owned the majority of these sugar mills? From what I know the Vecini family has owned there since about 1900. The rest of the sugar plantations where owned by American companies. Actually, the largest which is on La Romana is owned by the Fanjul brothers. Cuban Exiles who have been known for there extreme wealth and mal treatment to Caribbean workers, working in Florida.
From: Iraq, 10 billion dollars a month for nothing
D.R. and sugar is the way it is because “let’s face it” that’s the way the United States and the Elite want it. Don’t believe me well let’s see D.R. and Haiti have been invaded how many times by the U.S. ?
And In 1916 Major General Smedley D. Butler U.S.M.C., “then a Major” was in the Marines Corp when the U.S. invaded to “in the words he put in his book War Is A Racket
“ I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916.”
Pay attention to the words “American sugar interest”. Don’t blame us “Dominicans” blame the U.S.
From: Iraq, 10 billion dollars a month for nothing
Who’s is M.G. Butler well he was twice “almost three” Awarded the Medal of Honor.
Author of the anti- interventionist book WAR IS A RACKET; he served in Haiti, Dominican Republic & Nicaragua.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_ButlerFrom: Iraq, 10 billion dollars a month for nothing
this is not grassy knoll, this is fact ... look it up, and shut up
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Your position is quite addled ...however you get E for effort and spelling most of the names right but Chill i see you are going over to the darkside....Ask yourself what do I want to be when I grow up....time is short ...Spinning your wheels with half baked conspiracy theories will get you no place
Written by: arcatype , 27 Jun 2008 10:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic
chillaxin201 Is a conspiracy theorist he believes "WIKIPEDIA" the crazy encyclopedia. Dont believe everything you read in the internet sir.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Archie chill is still recovering from his military trauma and we need to have patience with him....He did not like to get up that early every morning and the food did not taste like mommys.....But he looked great in that uniform
From: United States
The quote noted for Butler is very famous and correct.
Embassies represent first and last the interest of their nation.
There is no surprise and nothing amiss with the USA using Embassies to promote the economic
interests of major corporations past and present from the USA.
Globalism has confused that function in some nations where US corporations have essentially moved abroad. In the Dominican Republic the US Embassy has been funneled into a very narrow range of favor to supporters of Bush, no one else, further altering the traditional role.
From: United States
chillaxin said nothing that can't be proven...and I don't use wikipedia so let's not even go there.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
No one needs to rehash the scandal that is big sugar in America that is very old news and I dont have to look up anything.....It is just how wacky you want to make it from the facts to fantasy
From: United States
"It is just how wacky you want to make it from the facts to fantasy"
What's fantasy? The grip that foreigners have on the sugar industry? The quote attributed to Butler?
From: United States
Do the fanjuls cut you a check goulet? It seems that every time their name comes up you hear a bell and you try to come out swinging.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Ciby dont go anti cuban on me now that is another subject altogether
From: United States
Know this about the fanjuls and Dominicans. Dominicans that know who and what they are despise them. Their reputation for exploitation is more than adequately documented, going back to Cuba. Their wealthy anglo neighbors in Florida despise them and their aristocratic pretentions. Go visit West Palm beach community threads if you don't beleive me. They only Dominicans that tolerate them are our ass kissing elites and those that don't have full knowledge as to who they are. This whole fiasco with the haitians is in no small part the fault of fanjuls and others like them. As far as I'm concerned they can take there investments and go elsewhere. I don't want people investing in DR that are there to exploit my neighbors and make us look bad in the process.
From: United States
"Ciby dont go anti cuban on me now that is another subject altogether"
I said nothing derrogatory about the cuban people.I'm commenting on the fanjuls and no one else.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Let us return to yesteryear as they said on the lone ranger....United Fruit and all that stuff about CIA coups in central America....conspiracies galore....Trujillo and Batista,Sandinoand Che .......it is a real Sancocho
From: United States
"Let us return to yesteryear "
Last I checked the Fanjuls were the biggest sugar interest in DR. No goulet, I'm not talking about yesterday,I'm talking about today.Why don't you go read about how the Fanjuls jerked all those west indians they used to bring into florida on a seasonal bases and come back to me. If they had the balls to pull that crap here in the US one can only imagine what the poor cane cutters in DR that work for them have to deal with. If there is a hell the Fanjuls have a special place reserved.
From: United States
Do you have any ties to the Fanjuls goulet?
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
there is more than a little truth in what you say ....but again it is too one dimensional and betrays your youth and enthusiasm....as far as the Fanjuls are concerned the sooner the subsidies are dropped on sugar the better...but I am a realist...better the devil you know.. this whole fiasco with the haitans is not all their fault but they will spend the money to diminish their exposure
From: United States
Answer the question buddy! Do you personally know any of the fanjuls?
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Be careful since the are like 11 million hispanic criminals in the USA turning it to a banana republic. Let's not go beyond ourselves. Whether illegal or not people have rights. We can not treat people like sh$% because they are undocumented..isn't that what they call it in the states..How can one be undocumented when they have papers from their country of birth..LOLOLOL..wrong papers yeah but undocumented..give me a break..illegal
One thing that always get me is the fact some Haitian kid is always playing small with flattery just so they could avoid backlash from some Dominicans whoa re extremist radicals in their views of Haitians. It is not the fact those illegals Haitians indeed are not illegal that is disputable, it is in fact Human Rights Violations have been proven to be at play and those violations have been motivated due to proven racial discrimination than it is of Dominicans trying to protect their Sovereignty. By most means and indeed the Dominican Republic has and reserve the right to protect their sovereignty as I know a mass exodus of Haitian migrants will not serve DR right due and given the economical stand point; granted... However, keeping generations of new borns on DR's soil under the so called "In Transition" status is just as illegal of an act as the actual immigrant or migrant who got in into DR illegally. In Transition to what exactly?
TRANSITION |tran'zi sh ?n; -'si sh ?n| - Noun: The process or a period of changing from one state or condition to another : students in transition from one program to another | a transition to multiparty democracy.
• A passage in a piece of writing that smoothly connects two topics or sections to each other.
• Music a momentary modulation from one key to another.
• Physics a change of an atom, nucleus, electron, etc., from one quantum state to another, with emission or absorption of radiation.
VERB: Transitioning - from transire, thus "To go Across" Undergo or cause to undergo a process or period of transition...
[ Trans]: The network ought to be built by the federal government and then transitioned into private industry.
[ Intrans]: We have transitioned from a high-intensity combat operation to a support role in the community.
Thus... Transition: Noun - the transition from school to work change, passage, move, transformation, conversion, metamorphosis, alteration, handover, changeover; segue, shift, switch, jump, leap, progression; progress, development, evolution, flux.
But they got to back up protest with political action: otherwise it is useless and pointless anarchism -- that is, abstention from political struggle.
The presidential race is one place to begin or continue political action.
But of course the USA is banana republic-ish with our some 14 million illegal aliens, but this is more an economic plan of those who control our congress and have titrated effective wages down via a cheap pool of labor, nothing to be troubled about there. The 14 million have brought superb tortas with them, so there is a balance, move along, nothing to see there.
The rights of men, now there is a topic. The Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights of the USA did not simply separate from England but defined those very rights of men. But in so doing, did they not apply them to the nation? Yes, and inspired men everywhere to do the same.
Would then, sir, it be more prudent, effective, and wise, for men to work toward the betterment of their own nation than to invade another?
I say yes, that is the case. And urge those misdirecting their vigor against their neigbors to reinvest it in their own cause at home.
Yes, you sum it up nicely.
There are certain stigmas about Haitians that Dominicans like to use to justify their xenophobes for Haitians and which they always deny having when the deep historical inherited resentments and made up differences by former conquerors and the long struggles among past ancestors remains and can be seeing by any naked eyes how strong the hatred and racial tension is between the two nations inhabiting this single Island which is reflected on the tenacity of both people's lack of engagement toward peace or for alternate better political or should I say rather social diplomatic relations to bring about better peaceful resolutions. Then again, peace with Haiti has never been the aim for most Dominicans to ever even begin with, once again given the history. There are threads that are about peaceful suggestions on here "A THREAD FOR/OF PEACE" However watch how much it would get rather ridiculed and denied to show you the hatred is deeper than both Dominicans & Haitian want to admit.
That side, dangling the carrot, you do not plant the hook, to conclude your thesis.
Let all salesmen identify the product at the door.
Jump in if I am mistaken.
Listen my friend, when talking about unifying Hispaniola, by all means it does not mean one governance body or Estate. No, more so instead or rather a reconciliatory process to get the people to come together in living in a more amicable Hispaniola with much better civility, peace and dignity in respectful accordance with and for human rights. In case you chosen to ignore and be stubborn with hatred and personal racial resentments and divide about the possibility that there indeed can be unity even between two Estates even when both Countries and Nations are still sovereignly independent but with better foreign relations, diplomacy on certain level of social and political awareness to better survive eventually economically. So indeed of your own words: Let all salesmen identify the product at the door or perhaps with a mirror.
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This from a specimen of pro-imperialist scum as he yawns over the war-related deaths of 2,000,000 Iraqis since the unjustified and unprovoked US aggression in March 2003.
Clearly, without question, or debate, the proper conclusion can be none other than 2 million visitors returning home since the 3 day rule of fish and guests applies.
Then you may pursue your agenda, within your borders, where it is fitting and proper.
Chinese proverb- man confused with gender, confused with all else. Find first stand up or sit down, then think straight.
Some clearly not only open range, but open ice box as well.
There was a time in Texas when no doors had locks in small towns, and children would walk into the neighbors house, open the ice box, fix a sandwich, if they were home or not. Such simpler times no longer exist today.
Both the open range and the open ice box are no more. Demanding them so now seems unseemly, since they were so of free will in the past, not demands. That is an era gone.
Nothing could be more inappropriate than imposing, forcing, demanding, preaching invasion, then to justify themselves shout racism.
They sound like Hamas.
No group to imitate.
I refer you to the prior discussion of cattle rustlers on these matters.
Haitian invasion is to the benefit of that doctrine of hate in the USA, not in the least to help or benefit Haitians but to the harm of Dominicans.
If this thesis is not apparent, it is only because the doctrine of hate itself is twisted, and ultimately seeks the harm of many, to the benefit of an ever decreasing few. Best to avoid its social engineering and "pedigree" delusions all together when possible.
If they're anything like the majority of new yorkers of italian descent then they most likely discriminate against everyone else who came after them....
I'm alive and well my freind. I've been preoccupied conducting personal research. As you know the quest for knowledge never ends.
And gave alot of abuse to us, the dominicans, during the intial phases of our immigration to the states(you have no idea how many puerto rican classmates who failed to realize I was Dominican when making a dispariging remark about my people ended up with a bloody nose or busted lip back in grammar school..lol). Doesn't make it right. It's a ridiculous cycle. You have no idea how many italians I've put to shame that thought they can pull their would-be WASP act on what they thought was an ignorant latin (Italian-Americans suffer from that. They underestimate other people's intelligence and overestimate their own). In the end it all comes down to knowledge of self and others. With a strong base in that sector no one can ever look down on you and there is no need for you to do so either.
"Talks" are called conferences, summits, meetings, seminars, talking shops, forums. etc.
"Walks" are called marches, demonstrations, protests, clashes, parades, etc. [The NYC protesters have reached this step ... apparently.]
"Campaigns" are called budgeting and planing, fundraising, targeting, voter contact, free media, paid media, candidate activity, opposition research, volunteers, anti-fraud operations, GOTV, etc.
"Votes" are called GOTV (get out the vote) or elections or polls.
If you're only for talks and walks, then you're anarchist garbage.
Generally, if you're only for campaigns and votes, then you're bourgeois trash.
Where do the protesters in NYC fall in this paradigm?
Whatever the case, if you win or lose the electoral struggle, you will still have to wage a legislative struggle.
No wonder the lazy anarchist garbage says "Why bother? Just talk and walk."
If you're only for talks and walks, then you're anarchist garbage.
Generally, if you're only for campaigns and votes, then you're bourgeois trash."
So how would you have people make change in their respective societies belial?
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On every issue, the Dominican bourgeoisie is servile in the extreme to the US bourgeoisie .
But is the Dominican bourgeoisie servile to a liberal US regime or does the Dominican bourgeoisie suddenly become proudly sovereign when the US regime is liberal?
These NYC protesters better get into political action before the cringing Dominican bourgeoisie endorses Obama.
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BLOWOUT, BOUNCE, BREAKOUT
15 point lead
Bloomberg/ LATimes
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/new....amp;sid=agCTbSDJ83rc&refer=us
Double-digit?
Bigtime!
What lie will Rasmussen tell tomorrow?
CAUSE: The US people believe that another terrorist attack on the USA benefits McCain.
Does anybody here have any dual nationality , I mean those whose parents are from both countries?
Have you ever leave your country for some where else,in quest of better life?
How do you feel when been treated in the same way that you treat others, wrongly?
Here is the situation : Americans , with their immigration policies , are kicking Dominicans asses and Dominicans in turn are kicking Haitians asses (lol)
it is just funny that we only can see our "differences" , differences that are mostly created for the purpose of hatred. Listen... we teach our kids to hate , that was what our parents taught us. Dominicans are seen as Bitches,hookers, and thieves in Haiti , .Haitians alway mistaken them with those sexual workers, I dare you to come home with a Dominican girl . Here in DR ,it is the same ,when you are Haitian they see you as slaves, ugly blacks , low class ,cockroaches etc
* This post was in response to a post made by "White" who seems to be some type of moderator on here or perhaps fancies himself one, I really don't know. White had indicated that rubirosa had been banned but the post which said as much has been deleted-C75
The problem is not an immigration issue the problem is more Haitian/Dominican brotherhood.
By the way , Haiti is the second economic partner of DR after the US .
bitch = A female canine animal, especially a dog. Offensive. A woman considered to be spiteful or overbearing. A lewd woman. A complaint. Something very unpleasant or difficult.
hooker = A person who solicits payment for sex. A prostitute.
thief = One who steals, especially one who steals movable property by stealth rather than force.
slave = One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household. One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence.
ugly = Displeasing to the eye; unsightly. Repulsive or offensive; objectionable. Threatening or ominous.
Black = relating to, or belonging to a racial group having brown to black skin, especially one of African origin: the Black population of South Africa. Of, relating to, or belonging to an American ethnic group descended from African peoples having dark skin; African American; Afro-American.
low·er class, The class or classes of lower than middle rank in a society.
cockroach = Any of numerous oval, flat-bodied insects of the family Blattidae, including several species that are common household pests.
You are 100 % right. You opinion reflects that of many haitians.
I agree with you 100%.
I concur.
Someone mentioned that he was banned from this site. I'd really like to know if that's true.
I'm still here till I die............................
Eventhough We had few issues already, Your comments are realistic and respectful too.
You are a honorable man...
I do like honest people like You and best of all separating facts from everything else.
Working a lot on my business..
And In 1916 Major General Smedley D. Butler U.S.M.C., “then a Major” was in the Marines Corp when the U.S. invaded to “in the words he put in his book War Is A Racket
“ I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916.”
Pay attention to the words “American sugar interest”. Don’t blame us “Dominicans” blame the U.S.
Who’s is M.G. Butler well he was twice “almost three” Awarded the Medal of Honor.
Author of the anti- interventionist book WAR IS A RACKET; he served in Haiti, Dominican Republic & Nicaragua.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
Embassies represent first and last the interest of their nation.
There is no surprise and nothing amiss with the USA using Embassies to promote the economic
interests of major corporations past and present from the USA.
Globalism has confused that function in some nations where US corporations have essentially moved abroad. In the Dominican Republic the US Embassy has been funneled into a very narrow range of favor to supporters of Bush, no one else, further altering the traditional role.
What's fantasy? The grip that foreigners have on the sugar industry? The quote attributed to Butler?
I said nothing derrogatory about the cuban people.I'm commenting on the fanjuls and no one else.
Last I checked the Fanjuls were the biggest sugar interest in DR. No goulet, I'm not talking about yesterday,I'm talking about today.Why don't you go read about how the Fanjuls jerked all those west indians they used to bring into florida on a seasonal bases and come back to me. If they had the balls to pull that crap here in the US one can only imagine what the poor cane cutters in DR that work for them have to deal with. If there is a hell the Fanjuls have a special place reserved.