Why not sweep the building sites across the country??? Need more than a 30 seat bus!

this is a very small step to a huge problem that we have. I am not going to say that all hatians are leaches, because some are productive individuals. But the D.R is a very small country and there are reports that there are as many as 2 million hatians in the D.R keep in mind that in the last cencus taken in that country, there was a reported 6 million hatians ln haiti.

Anyone want to guess how many comments will be posted on this subject.

50? 100? 200?

I'll bet 200+ for sure, more if Rubi and rom decide to duke it out, LOL.

lol, i think rubi is banned from this site Lautaro. I haven't heard from him in days. Its funny, i was expecting Rubi to say something on the protests in NY yesterday. If he didn't respond, i think he really is banned from the site.

Maybe his privileges have been taken away. Perhaps he can no longer use the computer in the recreation room.

Or maybe he got tired of hearing the echo of his own asinine ideas, which would be notable by itself, considering the fact that the chap seems to be so full of himself.

Maybe Rubi got hauled off and sent to Haiti

lol, now that would be an exciting video to see. Rubi in haiti with the people he "Adores." I can only imagine him showing haitians how to dance to bachata. And then telling them how they are all inferior to his spaniard genes. Just for the hell of it.

I wish we were as forthright and decisive with the immigration problem in the U.S.

Well at least they are doing something. DR has to protect itself, its law, and its ppl. point blank.
~ words from an haitiana-americana!

In life one must carry his or her own cross. If one is luckly to find a Simon to help him or her along the way, they must be grateful. But always remember your cross is yours and only yours to carry.
Stand up and either fight to restore or take it!

Talia your words show a lot of wisdom I hope you continue to post

Its good that they are enforcing the law, but seriously with 2 million haitians in the country this is truly a small dent to the problem. They should ask for volunteers so the people could help round up this scourge of illegals thats bringing down the quality of life for all dominicans. Kudos to your grandfather Carbelk99 for enlighting you with knowledge, and to show you the type of people that we are dealing with people that dont respect borders or laws.

Arcatype My post was deleted ,as were 5 more i wrote about Consuello,WHY only Haitians can write what they want.?Is this DOMINICAN Today or AYITIToday.?

I dont have no idea? Carbelk99 some of my post have been deleted, but i got to admit they were a little raw!

Be advise that Rubi is still around. He posted this under the Haitian beggars in DR article:

(Written by: JRRubirosa, 25 Jun 2008 8:59 PM
From: United States

We have to let the "Haitians" to do as They please because If the Dominican goverment does something about it, would be violating the "Geneva convention".

Compassion and let Them destroy and do whatever They want in the whole island.)

Thankz for Your comments everybody.................

(Its good that they are enforcing the law, but seriously with 2 million Haitians in the country this is truly a small dent to the problem. They should ask for volunteers so the people could help round up this scourge of illegals thats bringing down the quality of life for all dominicans).

Arcatype, this could get ugly really quick. with the history between the Haitians and the Dominicans, it will turn into witch hunt. On both sides of the border.

Puntacanamike, Haitians play a very big role in the construction industry of the DR. If they are no longer there, then what. At what cost would they build all those high rises on Mirador Sur, Malecon, Punta Cana, Las Terrenas to name only a few.

It;s true that Haitians do not respect borders but from what I see in the news, Dominicans do the same with Porto Rico and Miami.
Just my .02 cents

I agree....what would the price be...or would they even get built. What I am saying is it all comes down to maximizing profit...build for less...charge more = big profit.

Because I spend a fair bit of time in the barrios distributing donations, I mix with two cultures...in this case...both of which struggle to live a life that has any kind of fulfillment. In this country...big bucks stay in the big pockets...with hardly a peso making it's way down to the ground level wher live is about existance...not about exploitation.

This article is talking about the Dominican Republic. Not Miami, Florida or Puerto Rico, but if you want to rub it in. Likewise haitians dont respect the immigration laws in the Turks and Caicos the Bahamas, the United States and so on.

Arcatype
I know what the article talks about. And there was a reference to Haitians not respecting borders. If they do not respect the Haiti/ Dom Rep border it's a given they do not respect the other islands and Miami. the dream of every Haitian of a certain level is to go to Miami and work.
What I said is that as we are talking of Haitians not respecting Borders, a lot of Dominicans do the same.
Anyway, immigration laws are never respected by the ones looking for a better life or running away from something.

come to Juan Dolio at the Metro and than get those illegal Dominicans in Bklyn.

If it was up to me believe me their wouldont be one haitian in Dominican soil.

Read the first paragraph and look at the response stated by a jesuit concerning the U.S. interdicting illegal haitians but at the same time encouraging other countries to be pressured to receive haitian illegals specifically the Dominican Republic. - http://www.companysj.com/sjusa/040406.htm#jrsusaurges

[Written by: arcatype, 26 Jun 2008 5:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic
If it was up to me believe me their wouldont be one haitian in Dominican soil. ]

I am sure a lot of US and Spanish citizen would say the same about Dominicans.
But the fact is this Island is shared by 2 countries and they will have to learn to respect each other and help each other.
Haitians are loved here when that construction project is done on time and below budget so you have to accept the rest of the "baggage" that come with it.

Of course the first one responsible is the Haitian government for not providing education and stability to the country. I am the first one to admit that.

Remember how big of a problem the Dominicans had when Haiti had closed it's borders to the chicken trade between DR and Haiti.

I think there are three entities responsible for all this. One of them is the Haitiano government for not doing anything about it. The other is the CESFRONT authorities who arent doing a whole lot.

when the attack on the U.S happened everything was shotdown, why is that possible but yet we cant have thesame control in the DR. and I think the last entity responsible here is our own DR government who knows whats going on but chooses to turn the other cheek when they should be looking into this matter in a much more serious posture.

Haitians do contribute a lot to building projects in the DR but it is because there are a lot of LAZY Dominicans that dont wanna work just like in the sugar cain areas. they want something for nothing. But Haitianos need to respect our borders just like we need to respect puerto ricos borders. The only way to do it is to monitor those that monitor the border and make sure they dont allow undocumented inside our country.

This article is talking about the Dominican Republic but again you want to rub it in fine. Because if it was up to France all haitians would of been massacred and not one would exist because of what haitians did to their citizens back then. In fact Canada, France, U.S.A., The Bahamas, The Turks and Caicos, The French Caribbean, Jamaica every country dont want you. The chicken trade Sigma that's "big business" that only affected Haiti, what haiti produces????? most of the food that feeds your country comes from Dominican Republic so dont bite the hand that feeds you ingrate!!!!! And Bankai lazy people exist in the four corners of the world, but haitians are just lowering the wages for dominicans. They dont contribute to our economy they are draining the resources like energy, medical because they have too many children also they are over populating the country.

Cont., In the social they contribute negatively many of them are in prison because they commit crimes, they dont contribute as much they drain more because their wages are too low.

yes you are right lazy people exist in all corners of the world. But if we as a people and as Dominicans want to better our situation and evolve more efficiently. we need to change our ways of doing business and our ways of dealing with foreigners. Lets not forget what the topic here is about. and that is of undocumented Haitians beggin in the streets. One of the ways to stop that is to also help that nation of haitians to help themselves. why not put stores in their side of the border so they can work and get out of our streets. Or create more jobs for these people, but clearly this is something that THEIR government needs to tackle but OUR government needs to put preasure into these peoples heads of state so that they can do it. I think it is done on purpose that they dont do any of these things because they get more than 50million dollars in aid for that place and yet nothing seems to improve and we keep gettin burdened with this people crossing to our borders.

Wow Arcatype you really fall into the category of Dominicans that have a phobia of Haitians.
" Ingrate" wow. Them's are fighting words. LOL
"All Haitians would be massacred by the French"
From what I know and learned in the history books it was the other way around. anyway that's has nothing to do here and it's not like they want you more than the Haitians.

The Chiken trade did nt affect Haiti. Do you know how many Dominican business ownes went out of business because of that. It was Dominicans business owners that went bankrupt.
Your government had to help these business by buying their chikens.
don't fool yourself, most of the food that feeds haitians does not come from the DR. Most of what feeds the border towns come from the DR. It's true that Haiti does not produce a lot like the DR. It used to at a time and that's what the Haitian governemt has to do, bring back the national production but it's a far way ahead and will not be easy.

Also, let me just add that I believe we as Dominicans MUST educate ourselves to the point to where we can depend on ourselves and not need ANY outside help. Because in the end no one is going to be better able to help DOMINICAN REPUBLIC better than A DOMINICAN. Its our land, we have to take care of it if we want to see it suceed like it has been the case in europe or other countries.

We need to address this problem in a CIVILIZED manner and have a decisive solution for it for decades to come.

Haitians did not lower the wages the Dominicans priced themselves out of the market.
As your people are getting more educated they want better jobs for more money.
So the contractors have to "contract " out to Haitians. It happens everywhere.We could go on and on for days and never agree but the fact is that Haiti will always share the island with the Don Rep and will always be neighbors. And there will always be Haitians working here and Dominicans working in Haiti.The problem is beggars begging in the streets. We need to find a way to send them back to Haiti. The ones that commit crimes must also be deported to Haiti just like the Dominicans that commit crimes in the US and other countries are deported back here. There are bad people everywhere, just because some Haitians commit crimes here it doesn't mean all Haitians are bad, same for Dominicans.Both governments need to come together on this and we as people of Hispaniola, need to put aside the hate they have for each other.

Mr. Sigma remember the haitian revolution, remember the indemnity you had to pay France. The slaughter of whites in Haiti, France has not forgotten. And yes the Dominican Republic feeds plenty of your fellow countrymen also the international community contributes with food and other aid. Haiti produces too little most of the land is uncultivated barren desert like, and the chicken business did not affect the Dominican economy in general you are seriously delusional.

Sigma dont come with that hogwash dominicans dont owe jack to haitians, you need to clean your house first and stop flooding my country with your poverty we have enough problems as it is!!!!!

People lets not get out of the topic here. We are trying to find a way to eliminate the problem. Not make acusations. Sigma is right in some points but lets be clear about something, there are hardly any dominicans working in Haiti. As you well put it the more educated we become the better jobs we seek with more money. That is a fact everywhere you go!

BUT the topic here is how we can fix the undocumented haitians problem specially the begging in the streets. this isnt a haitian problem alone but ours as well. Because it is OUR border they are crossing. The main question I ask is how are they able to do so, so easily and without anyone stopping them?

if anyone can answer me that without telling me well they are smugglin them. then we can get somewhere. I want to know the "how" they do it. so that we can stop it.

Arcatype
Yeah I know Haiti's history and I know who's ass they kiked and when.
So you think France is waiting to come down silently and slit our throats. Hummph...
I never said you owe anything to Haitians.
I just realised that this conversation is way off topic and will go nowhere.
Stay safe
have a good day.

Bankai
They are crossing undocumented because it is profitable to both sides.
I drive back and fourth all the time between Haiti and the DR and I se first hand how they are crossing, who is doing business on the border and WHO is affected when there is a crisis.
You have Haitians that are willing to pay the border guards so they can cross over to work.
You have borders guards that are under staffed and under paid.
You have Haitians and Dominican drug dealers and gun dealers meeting at the border and helping it all happen. everyone at every level is involved and making a profit from the guards to the Generals on the Haitians and Dominican side.

Bankai
There are a lot of Dominicans working in Haiti. Of course not comparable to the qty of Haitians working in the DR but still. But from what I know and have seen they are welcome in Haiti.

the drug trade and other non-sensical reasons have nothing to do with 2 million haitians crossing the border, this problem has to do with extreme poverty in Haiti. The goverment in Haiti is inept, Haiti needs to be revamped from the bottom up. But as long as Haiti remains poor and it's infrastructure broken and political gangs ready to kill for their political party things wont change.

This is what happens when laws are not followed. how can DOMINICAN REPUBLIC flourish when we ourselves dont follow the rules?

and everyone hated trujillo because he was a person that didnt allow that. True he had his shortcomings but my father said once that you could put a peso down on a table and it would not get stolen. I doubt that holds true today.

You are right Bankai.

Bankai
when Duvalier was in power things were very much different.
At that time, Haiti was the equal, to say the least, of the dominican Republic.

The Duvalier's were the catalyst to Haiti's problems in the 20th century.

Ignorance to listen and ignorance to tell stories for yourself and for the forum is dangerous .The most dangerous weapons that exist on this earth is :IGNORANCE... and it brings hates , selfishness, Narrowing the mind, and poverty.

"Ignorance"? Tell me what i said is ignorant point it out!

quote : "If it was up to me believe me their wouldont be one haitian in Dominican soil." Should every Dominican say the same ... I have a question for you "Arca"
1) why do you think, DR Gov haven't done anything on that matter yet?
You are not the smartest kid in the forum , YEAH!! me neither... this is my last post

Mnemonic that's my opinion, everybody has their own views. Apparently you will love to live in a country like Haiti go ahead become an honorary haitian and live there. Then again you might be haitian so i might be wrong?

If it is good to see Dominicna Republic Immigation Police round-up and send the Illegal Haitians back home, why then are there so many Illegal Dominicans trying to demand the right to stay in the United States when they are found and processed to be returned back home. Moreover, I wonder if the Haitians detainees are housed, fed, cleaned, and given the human dignity that the Dominicans detainees are given here in the U.S.A. processing centers-- I think not!

Arcatype
Duvalier was not the catalyst to Haiti's problems.The lack of government after Duvalier was. Duvalier has not done anything worse than your Trujillo.

Jayyy
Right on. The Haitians are not treated like the Dominicans or the Cubans. The US authorities can relate better to Dominicans and Cubans.

We all need to stop being so selfish, Jesus said love one another! No matter if you from haiti or dominican,puerto rico or American.

Mnemonic if you truly have beliefs on this matter it is important that you stay and with civility defend them...we all look forward to hearing from you again even Archie