Written by: Belial, 18 Jul 2008 3:25 PM
From: United States, Texas
You an't seen nothin' yet.
The dirty, filthy and rotten GOPs have constructed enormous concentration camps in the stolen Guantanamo naval base in Cuba for as many as 250,000 immigrants unjustly deported from the USA, if their home countries hesitate or refuse to accept them in mass.
And the ever expanding immigrant detention centers in the USA are no rose garden either.
"But I admire the GOPs. They are so beautifully bourgeois and their spirit is so enterprising. I love the GOPs. and I'm gonna vote for them when I become a citizen," GOP-loving immigrant day-dreamers sometimes declare.
Well, admire and love the GOPs from behind bars or in a concentration camp that the GOPs have prepared for you.
And take the poor Mexican immigrants to the USA, once they only had to swim across the river.
Now, they got to swim across the river and climb the wall.
Written by: Belial, 18 Jul 2008 3:28 PM
From: United States, Texas
The repressive and bourgeois US regime under Bush is now hiring and training thousands of new immigration agents for some reason.
US immigrantion agents don't seem to have a hard-on for Dominicans or Mexicans.
To be sure, the agents don't like Dominicans and Mexicans, but they don't have a hard-on for them.
The ones the agents have screaming hard-on for are the Guatemalans. Boy, they go after and get those Guatemalans. They've deported a half million Guatemalans during the last year.
I believe the agents really go after and get Guatemalans because Guatemalans are not as politically conscious nor as politically active as the Mexicans and Dominicans.
[Cubans and Cuban Americans are politically conscious and active like you won't believe. Nobody ... and I mean nobody ... messes with them.]
A Guatemalan, thrilled to be in the land of the free and home of the brave, is more likely to go to a useless priest than to a politician.
From: United States
No offense to anyone but whatever happened to waiting your turn in line and coming to the states "legally"? My parents did it; why shouldn't anyone else's. Why do some people feel they don't have to wait in line? What makes them better or "entitled". As for separation of families - who caused that in the first place? People need to be responsible for their own actions. No one forced them to break the law and father a child in the US. Some have done just that so that it gives them greater ammunition in to fight deportation. There's a reason for capacity limits in everything from elevators, buildings, trains, etc. After a while, you just don't fit, it becomes a dangerous situation and resources are drained. Maybe its a poor example but its a simplistic concept that needs to be undestood. Everyone wants to get in but no one wants to wait in line - its called order vs. chaos.
From: Dominican Republic, La Union
So now it is okay for DR to deport illegal Haitians back to Haiti yet they want the US to keep them here in the United Stated illegally and not deport them back as well? So what is DR complaining about? I thought this was their very same policy they have towards the Haitians in DR just looking for a better life just like they are looking for one here in the USA.
Written by: anthonyC, 18 Jul 2008 4:46 PM
From: United States
In a perfect world immigration agents would show up and check all the protestors papers.
My family entered legally. I am like many others who have no respect or compassion for these law breakers.
Written by: anthonyC, 18 Jul 2008 4:48 PM
From: United States
"[Cubans and Cuban Americans are politically conscious and active like you won't believe. Nobody ... and I mean nobody ... messes with them.]"
Jealous little kid aren't ya Belail?
Written by: BASTA, 18 Jul 2008 6:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic, SPM
Cubans should never have been allowed into the USA... They talk to much.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Get in line like the rest of us did ....and deport belial the pond scum back to which ever galaxy will take him
Written by: caonabo1, 18 Jul 2008 6:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Miami,FL
I personally don' t know what to say as an immigrant i dont like to see this happening to our people they come to this country for one specific reason to help theire family in economic ways.But lets face it one of the main reason why the salary stay so low is because of the ilegal immigrants,they do the job for half the price that you would do it for, also theres no job for cityzens and legal immigrants we need to get some of those jobs back to the peope who are here legal. I wish the same in DR no job for ilegals until all cityzens and legal resident have a job and a house to live............
Written by: caonabo1, 18 Jul 2008 7:04 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Miami,FL
One more thing that i really don't understand is if the cuvans are protected from the moment they enter the country because they are runing away from all the abuses in theire country why are they also allowed to go back to that abusing country. Aren't they supposed to be running away from that represion?. please someone give me some light because im really lost here.
Written by: Belial, 18 Jul 2008 7:30 PM
From: United States, Texas
" if the cuvans are protected from the moment they enter the country because they are runing away from all the abuses in theire country why are they also allowed to go back..."
oooo
Foot-loose Cubans aren't running from "abuses."
They come here chiefly for the same reasons as Mexicans, Salvadorans, and the Dominicans, the first, fourth, and fifth largest Latin American groups in the USA. PRs and Cubans are the second and third.
The migrant Cubans chiefly come for a higher standard of living (or SL).
But SL judged by different indicators than those of poor countries -- namely, health care, education, nutrition, and housing. By these poor-country indicators, the Cubans are the least "abused. They have the highest SL in LA/C.
Poor-country indicators are more or less presuppositions in rich capitalist countries like the USA.
In the USA, SL is based quality and quantity of consumer goods and luxuries.
Sniveling about "abuses" helps them get SL in the USA.
Written by: Belial, 18 Jul 2008 7:33 PM
From: United States, Texas
They really are not "allowed to go back. "
In the case of Cuba, US citizens and residents don't have the freedom to travel.
But many Cuban-Americans and Cuban residents in the USA show Bush the finger and go back any way.
From: United States
Cubans are allowed in "no questions asked" because of a wet foot/dry foot policy which quite frankly is as old as the embargo. The reality is that most of those that come in these days do is more for economic reasons (like the rest of Latin America). Those that came in during the early years of the Castro reign, did it more to escape communism. There is very little difference between the Cuban and Haitian plight, however, the Cubans are favored and yet both nations suffer very similar circumstances with varying degrees. But as it pertains to the subject matter at hand, entry into another country should be done legally because that same situation can occur in one's own country and the sentiment of those same folks would be the same.
Written by: anthonyC, 18 Jul 2008 9:59 PM
From: United States
"I personally don' t know what to say as an immigrant i dont like to see this happening to our people they come to this country for one specific reason to help theire family in economic ways"
Our People? Who are these people?
My People came with permission.
My People Came Legally
My People are productive members of society.
My People improved the United States.
My People don't sap the welfare rolls
From: United States
Immigration is a business just like any other and for the U.S. it means $ Money. The U.S. Treasury takes in billions of dollars yearly paid out through the Dept. of Immigration. For the U.S. is not a matter of legallity but of accountability and payments for entering the U.S. In my opinion there should not be any borders but cause of the irresponsibility of governments especially those of Latin America whose peoples are face with the only option to followed some illusion that by coming to the U.S. their chances for a better life is a guarantee. There are countries in Europe whose people only come to the U.S. as tourist but will not dream of living here. These people travel with much more less restrictions than Latin American. The other problem is that the U.S. wants immigrants to come to work but not to live in the U.S. Immigrants are not a burden to the U.S. economic nor do they steal jobs but rather the back-bones of businees for they do the work that citizens refuse to do for less.
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
Wow!!!!!!!!!! I'm even surprise DT put this article up here, AfroLatino
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
NYHunk....wrong the cuvans have no human rights to say and do what they want .or travel and would be arrested if they express themselves.....the defectors from the ballet companies baseball teams and circuses and diplomatic corp and musicians who regularly defect on a weekly basis ...Live at the top of society in Cuva THE VERY TOP but they still want freedom....Belial also known as the " Theodore Kaczynski’ of Houston " will say otherwise but we know he is full of that dark brown stuff
From: United States
maybe when these guys get through with the protest in the states, they can stage one at home to protest the tactics used against illegal Haitians. we all realise they have no business being in the DR illegally, but the issue of humane treatment has to be highlighted.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Hear Hear.....humane treatment this is most important....if you compare the treatment in both countries of illegals the US will always come out ahead ....their treatment of illegals over the years COMPARED to other countries of the world could only be described as benevolent
From: United States
Dry foot .. Wet foot .. Black foot .. White foot .. My foot .. a totally confused immigration policy .. started under Clinton .. who was probably a little "distracted" at the time .. here's the bottom line .. the US needs the cheap labor that immigrants provide .. deportation is a waste of time .. it's like bailing out the North Atlantic with a tea cup .. it's a revolving door .. keeps the gargantuan US Federal bureaucracy fully employed .. more immigration jails means more employment .. more construction .. more fences .. more remote pilotless drones to patrol the US-Mexican frontier .. more money for Boeing .. they can deport all they want .. a week later the very same deportees are back at their old jobs in East LA, Queens and Harlem .. it's a waste of time .. a total waste of time .. the effort and money would be better spent in a legalization campaign .. which in turn would provide better documentation of the so called "illegals" .. it is "illegal" to work these days?
From: United States
Election year genuflexing .. the law makers trying to impress the public that they were not completely dozing off in Congress while hordes of migrants clambered in over the fences .. the thing that really bothers them is that the migrants are mostly people of color .. Mexicans .. Hondurans .. Guatemalans .. Chinese .. Dominicans .. not much is said about the hordes crawling in from Europe .. because unlike the people of color from Latin America .. the Europeans "blend right in" .. they look like "Americans" .. no problem there ..
From: United States
this is gettin tiresome, and the entertainment factor is being deflated from my relationnship with Goulet. hell, we are agreeing for the third time in one day!. the USA, say what you will, is a land of laws and regulations, all laid out in simple language ( at least to attorneys). aggrieved persons, including prospective deportees, are all entitled to their day in court. any attempts by renegade actors to circumvent the regulations usually incurs the attention and wrath of ACLU types, who never pass up an opportunity to be noxious. sadly, in most other countries, there is a descending scale of righteousness. in the worst offenders, there is only summary and brutal action, followed by denials, excuses, and cries of being picked on by outsiders who seek to besmirch the reputation of the country! now , Goulet, i am awaiting my daily fix of insults from you (just kidding)
From: United States
sadly, Ghoulish, on the matter of ethnic injustices in immigration policy, you could not be more right. i guess that an assault against European illegals would not play well to the GOP audiences!!
Written by: anthonyC, 19 Jul 2008 12:18 PM
From: United States
"sadly, Ghoulish, on the matter of ethnic injustices in immigration policy, you could not be more right. i guess that an assault against European illegals would not play well to the GOP audiences!!"
Please.
It is a matter of numbers.
How many European are illegal? Of those how many are screaming for their rights?
From: United States
Indeed .. what would it look like if a truck load of "illegal" blond and blue-eyed Lithuanians were stopped on the San Bernardino Freeway .. their occupants ordered to pile out .. including pregnant women .. and then have California Highway Patrol officers pounce on them with guns and night sticks .. that would not look too good on the evening news now .. would it? But it's perfectly OK .. even entertaining to many .. to observe that kind of brutality lavished on Mexican "illegal" workers ..
From: United States
The law should be exactly what it is .. the law .. not an instrument of statistical convenience .. it should be applied equally .. whether you are Cuban .. Haitian .. Chinese ..Lithuanian .. Irish .. English .. French .. Italian .. it should not matter .. this is a travesty that seriously erodes the principles embodied in the US Constitution .. not to mention the moral and ethical base upon which the US was founded and claims to be guided by .. it is clearly driven by a Presidency that has hopelessly lost it's way .. it's not easy going from being Governor of Texas to President of the United States .. something went horribly wrong in that transition .. that's what you get when you elect a swaggering buffoon to the highest position in the US government ..
From: Afghanistan, BAF
Ohh.. and the Attack dogs , that's always a good show !
From: Afghanistan, BAF
Break out the nightsticks...
From: United States
About a month ago ICE, (the immigration police) came to the house next door to me. this was at 6am in the morning (they like to catch people by surprise) looking to deport someone who lived there. I came outside to see what was going on, and some female agent kept staring at me like I was a criminal. I stay there for about 30 minutes looking at the idiots before I told them that the person had moved. The person who they were looking for had just had a baby a few months ago and thank god she moved in time or else that baby wouldn't of had a mother.
From: United States
ICE agents are mostly a bunch of wannabe cops .. the type found looking for crooks in a department store .. they are often very young .. poorly trained .. poorly educated .. are quickly handed a gun and a badge, the power to arrest and a Federal mandate to protect the homeland .. these suspicious voyeurs like to search your home .. your property .. your body .. they are fiercely loyal to the fatherland and hate anybody who looks too dark skinned to be living in the US either legally or illegally .. so that young lady next door picked the right time to avoid an encounter with those badge wielding Gestapo thugs ..
Written by: Edward, 20 Jul 2008 3:55 AM
From: United States, Leominster, Massachusetts
I believe that deportations are cruel and unusual punishment in certain situations. They don't care if it's a legal permanent resident who's lived here for decades and the crime wasn't even a felony. If a LPR receives a 1 year jail sentence they get deported. I think that the US immigration laws are unjust and racist. They want as few brown people here as possible. I see no point in lifetime banishment for people who have been here for a long time and made just one mistake. The 1996 laws need some serious reforming!
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
OK eddy that has been the law for from before the brown people were coming like 100 years ....I immigrated to USA 45 years ago that was the law ...now we gonna change it just for your ass...forget it ...live by the law like everybody else or no.soup for you...Everybody gets 1 mistake then 2 mistakes no eddy....You go to jail You go to the airport......Eddy we dont want to see you coming back in the orange pajamas and the bracelets ...So be cool in Lemster
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
remember 100 years ago it was mostly ugly white people from Europe coming to USA they played by the rules and suffered now its everybody elses turn...So get in line just like they did....If you dont believe it go to Ellis island and look at the pictures ...That aint no day at the beach....Then read what the Statue of Liberty says.....that is why it is the greatest country on the planet.....and why we all wanted to come here in the first place
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
They even let whiners and complainers like belial live here.....what a country
Written by: anthonyC, 20 Jul 2008 8:57 AM
From: United States
What part of ILLEGAL don't you guys understand?
They have committed a crime.
They have violated the law.
They are criminals.
The Law is the Law.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Thank you ...Inspector Javert
From: United States
The part of "illegal" that does not make sense is this .. a Cuban immigrant hits the beach in Key Biscayne and is treated like a hero .. a Haitian immigrant is immediately arrested and repatriated .. the Cuban coming ashore is perfectly OK .. but the Haitian coming ashore is "illegal" .. that type of "illegal" does not make sense .. they should either be both "illegal" or both "heroes" .. get it? Tengo Hambre .. whaaaaaaccccccckkkkkkkkk ...
From: United States
The country was "great" I agree .. we had a budget surplus .. until the US Supreme Court put that swaggering buffoon in the White House .. we got attacked because the buffoon was too busy polishing up his golf game .. ignored all the FBI and CIA warnings of impending attacks .. not only that .. fired or demoted those that issued the warnings .. actively interfered in the USS Cole investigation in Yemen .. investigations that pointed to the impending 9/11 attack .. the agent in charge of that project was ordered to leave Yemen without his luggage and then fired from his job upon arriving in DC .. he later got a security job at the World Trade Center .. where he died .. that's all it took .. one buffoon sitting in the White House ..
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Sang it was no different than with all the peoples of eastern Europe during the cold war ...The communist occupied countries always had the American dream this is a legacy ....I remember the Immigrants from Hungary in 1956 ....In Toronto I had 6 Hungarians for classmates..... In America it was the same throughout the cold war...No different from Cuba....If they could get out they were taken in....All the complaining by the Latinos about the Cubans is jealousy
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Clinton bears responsibility as well he did nothing for 2 terms except pound sand ...look it up sang...pound sand
Written by: Belial, 20 Jul 2008 11:05 AM
From: United States, Texas
"My family entered legally. I am like many others who have no respect or compassion for these law breakers."
oooo
Some immigrant groups, peddling ideological and political servility, get the US bourgeois state to discriminate FOR them, while the same bigoted bourgeois state that hypocritically and duplicitously violates the constitutional principle of equal protection for all under the law discriminates AGAINSTother immigrant groups.
These ideological peddlers, recipients of brazen favoritism of the law, then stand up and brag "My group entered legally. Yours didn't. So, yours should be kicked out."
These ideological peddlers are more two-faced than the discriminatory bourgeois state under Bush and his slimy GOPs.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Remember it was America that kept the beacon of freedom lit until communism was crushed and the wall came down and freed millions from the boot of totalitarianism and the filthy swine who call themselves communists
Written by: Belial, 20 Jul 2008 11:27 AM
From: United States, Texas
Slimy GC appears again vomiting and spitting his counter-revolutionary lies and slanders to the front, the right, left, and behind.
GC is a crazy man who believes he's better than others because he gets a crazy check from the government every month.
GC, a compulsive and obsessive liar, fills up every thread in this forum with at least 15 repulsive posts containing his lies. He is horrified that even one visitor to this forum will be spared or escape the distaste of exposure to him and his reactionary propaganda.
In this thread, he has so far only discharged 10 repulsive posts. That is because, in the last 24 hours, GC has performed most of his excretory activities in other threads.
From: United States
The US should reclaim it's coveted role as the true leader of the free world .. instead of wasting time and money fighting a bunch of camel hugging hooligans in the Middle East .. use the money saved to reduce the Federal deficit .. fix US roads and other crumbling infrastructure .. feed the growing numbers of homeless people .. the irony of it all is that most of the money to fund the "war on terrorism" is borrowed from the Chinese Communists .. money that will be repaid with interest .. by future generations yet unborn .. unless the Commie freaks have a change of heart and forgive the billions borrowed .. but that may never happen .. that is just as serious a threat to US interests as the badly dressed terrorists they are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan .. as we dive further into debt the Russians and Chinese will take their positions as world super powers .. do we want that to happen? those two ruthless clowns ruling the world?
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
belial you filthy swine you are even lower than a fithy commie if that is even possible
Written by: Belial, 20 Jul 2008 11:54 AM
From: United States, Texas
" fix US roads and other crumbling infrastructure "
oooo
GhoulishColon, this is something that not only should be done, but must be done.
If Bush and his GOP swine stop wasting $12 a month on the bloodbath extermination of the Iraqi people [2,000,000 or 1 out of every 25 Iraqi citizens have perished in 5 years as a result of the US aggression and occupation], the bourgeois state can do something about US roads and other crumbling infrastructure.
For example, most bridges, overpasses, and driving surfaces in the USA are either at or over their designed life span.
For the most part, nothing but patchwork is done as maintenance.
Pretty soon, your car will fall in the river, or run thur the overpass, crash land, and block the traffic below or turnover over on the patched up driving surfaces.
Immigrant construction workers have a role to play in this project if it ever happens.
Perhaps, it can't be done without them.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
look what nutty hugo did to his own ONE of Hugo Chávez’s lesser-known feats since taking over as Venezuela’s leader in 1999 is to have presided over a tripling of the annual homicide rate—and that’s according to the official statistics. Last year more than 13,000 people were killed in a country of 27m, producing a murder rate of 48 per 100,000, the second highest in the world (after El Salvador). In neighbouring Colombia, a country plagued by guerrilla war and drug violence, the rate was 40 per 100,000....Venezuelas murder rate is actually much much higher but many things are left out of official statistics....
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Many homicides never get into the official statistics. They include those killed while supposedly “resisting arrest”. Yet in exchanges of fire between police and alleged criminals, 39 suspects are killed for every policeman, suggesting not much “resistance” is taking place. Another large (and growing) group of suspicious deaths excluded from the official data are those that have not yet been categorised—and probably never will be—though most are likely to result from murder. And then there are the jail murders. Every year, two in every 100 prisoners (more than one a day) are killed, but they are left out of the statistics, too.
Written by: Belial, 20 Jul 2008 12:04 PM
From: United States, Texas
GC excretes a pile of his irrelevant and foul lies that bear no connection to "anti-deportation" issue in the USA.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
lies ! hardly the world knows it is the truth and it hurts does it not ? .....you filthy swine ouch ouch
Written by: Belial, 20 Jul 2008 1:47 PM
From: United States, Texas
Caracas, Jul 20 (Prensa Latina) The Venezuelan Army detected a training camp for the Colombian death squads in Zulia, they are responsible for the rise of kidnapping for ramson, Operational Strategic Command chief Jesus Gregorio Gonzalez, said Sunday. [Today.]
“We recently discovered a training camp for the United Self-defense Forces of Colombia in Venezuelan territory. The camp was two minutes away from the border line," the top ranking officer told the Panorama daily.
Interviewed about insecurity in Zulia, ruled by opposition governor Manuel Rosales, Gonzalez said many Colombian death sqauds are crossing the border to commit common crimes.
Venezuelan ombudswoman Gabriela Ramirez said kidnapping for ramson and the use of hired assassins are recurrent in Zulia. She called for a strategy favoring the security initiative fostered by the Interior and Justice Ministries.
http://www.prensa-latinaenglish.com/article.asp?ID={B11B2A61-57E0-4B83-A1D7-14D12D60E2C8})&language=EN
Written by: Belial, 20 Jul 2008 1:52 PM
From: United States, Texas
I can assure you that most of the members of the Colombian death squad ... your friends ... captured in Zulia will never be "deported."
Written by: Belial, 20 Jul 2008 1:55 PM
From: United States, Texas
GC, do you ever document your lies or do you always plagiarize them?
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
the Cuban government tells a whopper. Orchestrating lies is the specialty of police states. Anyone who has ever listened to Radio Havana or watched a Cuban TV ”news” program knows that Cuban leaders lie to their own people and lie to the outside world. They even lie to each other. But sometimes the lie is so blatant, so malign, so far removed from the painful reality of life in Cuba that it must be refuted, for the sake of common decency if nothing else.
That’s the case with Raúl Castro’s recent claim that there has not been ”one sole case of torture” in Cuba. Even by Cuba’s standards, this is an astonishing falsehood, a lie of such outsized proportions that even Raúl Castro should have been ashamed to utter it.
From: United States
The deportation rituals make it look like the politicians and DOJ are doing their job during the election year .. after the dust settles it's back to business as usual .. the tomatoes need to be picked by hard working and cheap workers .. Any American volunteers? Nope .. so they come in from Mexico .. Honduras .. Nicaragua .. Guatemala .. and nothing changes.
From: United States
Wow!!! Passionate responses from the DR about US deporting illegal workers and immigrants. Well, a lesson in humility and humanity for those in the DR who always mistreat and look scornfully to the many legal and illegal Haitians who labor their ass off to improve the DR economy. The bible says "you should not do others as you do not want to be done to you", and "you should treat your neighbors as you want them to treat you". When Haitians demonstrated in NY to defend Haitians mistreatment in DR, it is called agitation, when the people of DR do the same, it is called defending human right. Let's all stop the hypocrisy, because Batey = Guantanamo. Pres. Kennedy once said humankind all breath the same air & cherish the same basic dream of human decency, so mistreatment of DR immigrants anywhere is unacceptable as that of Haitians in the DR.
From: United States
No torture in Cuba? Only one case? Just living in Cuba is torture enough. Torture is everywhere. Even in that shining bastion of racial equality .. the US .. where it is regularly meted out to immigrants and people of color .. occasionally caught on tape as in the Rodney King beating .. you give a guy a gun and a badge and all that power .. it's bound to happen anywhere ..
From: United States
anthonyc, i hate to sound as if i am picking on you, but ,before you post things you need to educate yourself a bit. it is sad to see someone pulling out the bugle and noising off, only to make some ignorant remarks. let me pass on these little trinkets for you; as of the year 2000, there were 1.1 million illegal european immigrants in the USA. 113,000 were from Germany, 344,000 from the former soviet bloc, 92,000 from Poland, and 63,000 from Italy, among others. i am sure that those numbers are more by now. and stop with the sanctimonious calls for immigration discipline. i am sure that if your parents had braved the seas in a yola and ended up in the USA, you would not be on the podium delivering a Sunday morning homily about the illegality of entering the country without papers. i cannot believe you post in seriousness; are you sure you are not just making tongue in cheek jokes?
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Tonyc aka Javert does not want to come out and play
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
And yes dread all that euro trash that overstays their welcome and their Visas probably do more damage to the economy than the migrant fruit pickers..I am not sure how they fit in to the underground economy....And you forgot the wetback Canadians
From: United States
Goulet, i would appreciate it if you stop agreeing with me. it is causing me medical imbalance. but seriously, i am really bothered by people who think that the immigrant problem is a mexican thing. have they ever heard of places like Brighton Beach in brooklyn, home of illegal russians from places like Odessa? how about chinatown? try flushing, queens...maspeth? shall i continue, anthonyc, or have you taken your ball and run home to mama?
Written by: UnDyin86, 21 Jul 2008 12:46 PM
From: United States
The problem is Dread, that alot of people are annoyed by the non-european immigrant calls to human rights. Those european immigrants are not really receiving the end of the sh*t stick so they don't have much to complain about for the most part. They are not the majority suffering discrimination, biases and all the mispreconceptions of their brown, spanish speaking or other counterparts. It's easy to be critical and harsh towards misunderstood outsiders.
On another note, Italians in the earlier decades were very much disliked when they initially came to the US. The "italian invasion" crowded tenements, were put in internment camps and took the low-end jobs (i.e stole the jobs from other needy Americans) and at some point were also lynched (and now they practically own NY and NJ). Jews dealt with similiar conflicts. Is it safe to surmise that every generation or so deals with fear then subsequent acceptance of a outside group, only to have that cycle repeated?
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
the Irish etc etc ...But nowadays the eurotrash comes with resources they want to stay in the Rome of the 21st century it is not a survival thing and they just hang out but they usually have more resources than the others ...also they blend in easier...so they do not have the same exposure
From: United States
a wonderful look at things, undyin86. the italians and irish sure took some hits from the wasps. who do you think gave them those disgraceful epithets such as wop and guido? they were discriminated against, and treated like trash. if you have not read it yet, go look for a book called ¨How The Irish Became White¨. the problem is that too may have forgotten the indignities their forefathers endured, and seek to impose them on others. not unlike anthonyc, who would like to see everybody without legal papers go right home; do not pass go, do not collect 200. i am already in, he says, and i am closing the door behind me. do not let it hit you in the ass!
Written by: UnDyin86, 21 Jul 2008 1:10 PM
From: United States
Great point, Dread.
Today its the mexican, tommorrow what will it be? People complain that they're breaking the law and taking our jobs, corporations are profiting off of exploitation, and yes, it does affect our economy but just a thought: If you lose your job to an immigrant, it's probably because he or she was willing to work harder for less money. That's what America is all about, right? And this is a practice not likely to stop anytime soon, especially the way the economy is going. It's a dog eat dog world out there. Who is the real sacrificial lamb here?
From: United States
besides, undyin86, people should realise that americans are losing more real jobs when corporations such as Dell make their computers in Malaysia, than when some guy from Nogales sneaks into Arizona to sweep up garbage!
Written by: UnDyin86, 21 Jul 2008 1:19 PM
From: United States
Absolutely!
Written by: anthonyC, 21 Jul 2008 1:53 PM
From: United States
Waaaaaa......!
But everyone is doing it!
Waaaaaa....!!
Why are you picking on me?
Waaaaaa.....!
Fact#1: Illeagal imigrants are breaking the Law!
Fact#2: Just because somebody gets away with breaking the law doesn't make it ok for you to break it!
Fact#3: Life is hard!
Fact#4: Use up $$$ in Social Services without paying into the system.
Fact#5: They are breaking the LAW!!!!
Fact#6: 100% of Illegal immigrants are Criminals.
Fact#7: I don't want to hear about any sob stories. See Fact#3!
Written by: Edward, 21 Jul 2008 3:07 PM
From: United States, Leominster, Massachusetts
So are you saying that even little illegal kids are criminals? Gimme a break!!
From: United States
Edward, in this life you can either say intelligent things, or you can reveal your ignorance. the ability or propensity to do one or the other is entirely dependent upon your level of intelligence. it is safe to assume that the IQ test scores would not be kind to anthonyc, so do not expect any meaningful remarks from him in the impending future! he appears to be overwhelmed by his position in life, whatever that may be. all others, who did not attain his lofty heights, are parasites upon society, lazy bums looking for a handout. ( this includes children). i think he is auditioning for a role as a right wing talk show host: you know, the kind like Michael Savage, who informed the world that autism is not a health issue, but simply a case of kids whose parents do not put the paddle to their backsides! he does, however, make for high entertainment, as he has no problems with raising the threshold of ignorance on a daily basis.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
They will get you my pretty and your little dog too....Dont be afraid Eddy immigration wont come to Lemster for you
Written by: anthonyC, 22 Jul 2008 12:47 PM
From: United States
"So are you saying that even little illegal kids are criminals? Gimme a break!!"
Break the law and you are a criminal.
From: United States
"I stay there for about 30 minutes looking at the idiots before I told them that the person had moved."
LOLOLOL
Sounds like something I would've done...
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas C' Amalie hotel 1829 at the Bar
Javert says break the law go to jail
The dirty, filthy and rotten GOPs have constructed enormous concentration camps in the stolen Guantanamo naval base in Cuba for as many as 250,000 immigrants unjustly deported from the USA, if their home countries hesitate or refuse to accept them in mass.
And the ever expanding immigrant detention centers in the USA are no rose garden either.
"But I admire the GOPs. They are so beautifully bourgeois and their spirit is so enterprising. I love the GOPs. and I'm gonna vote for them when I become a citizen," GOP-loving immigrant day-dreamers sometimes declare.
Well, admire and love the GOPs from behind bars or in a concentration camp that the GOPs have prepared for you.
And take the poor Mexican immigrants to the USA, once they only had to swim across the river.
Now, they got to swim across the river and climb the wall.
US immigrantion agents don't seem to have a hard-on for Dominicans or Mexicans.
To be sure, the agents don't like Dominicans and Mexicans, but they don't have a hard-on for them.
The ones the agents have screaming hard-on for are the Guatemalans. Boy, they go after and get those Guatemalans. They've deported a half million Guatemalans during the last year.
I believe the agents really go after and get Guatemalans because Guatemalans are not as politically conscious nor as politically active as the Mexicans and Dominicans.
[Cubans and Cuban Americans are politically conscious and active like you won't believe. Nobody ... and I mean nobody ... messes with them.]
A Guatemalan, thrilled to be in the land of the free and home of the brave, is more likely to go to a useless priest than to a politician.
So now it is okay for DR to deport illegal Haitians back to Haiti yet they want the US to keep them here in the United Stated illegally and not deport them back as well? So what is DR complaining about? I thought this was their very same policy they have towards the Haitians in DR just looking for a better life just like they are looking for one here in the USA.
My family entered legally. I am like many others who have no respect or compassion for these law breakers.
Jealous little kid aren't ya Belail?
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Foot-loose Cubans aren't running from "abuses."
They come here chiefly for the same reasons as Mexicans, Salvadorans, and the Dominicans, the first, fourth, and fifth largest Latin American groups in the USA. PRs and Cubans are the second and third.
The migrant Cubans chiefly come for a higher standard of living (or SL).
But SL judged by different indicators than those of poor countries -- namely, health care, education, nutrition, and housing. By these poor-country indicators, the Cubans are the least "abused. They have the highest SL in LA/C.
Poor-country indicators are more or less presuppositions in rich capitalist countries like the USA.
In the USA, SL is based quality and quantity of consumer goods and luxuries.
Sniveling about "abuses" helps them get SL in the USA.
In the case of Cuba, US citizens and residents don't have the freedom to travel.
But many Cuban-Americans and Cuban residents in the USA show Bush the finger and go back any way.
Our People? Who are these people?
My People came with permission.
My People Came Legally
My People are productive members of society.
My People improved the United States.
My People don't sap the welfare rolls
Please.
It is a matter of numbers.
How many European are illegal? Of those how many are screaming for their rights?
They have committed a crime.
They have violated the law.
They are criminals.
The Law is the Law.
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Some immigrant groups, peddling ideological and political servility, get the US bourgeois state to discriminate FOR them, while the same bigoted bourgeois state that hypocritically and duplicitously violates the constitutional principle of equal protection for all under the law discriminates AGAINSTother immigrant groups.
These ideological peddlers, recipients of brazen favoritism of the law, then stand up and brag "My group entered legally. Yours didn't. So, yours should be kicked out."
These ideological peddlers are more two-faced than the discriminatory bourgeois state under Bush and his slimy GOPs.
GC is a crazy man who believes he's better than others because he gets a crazy check from the government every month.
GC, a compulsive and obsessive liar, fills up every thread in this forum with at least 15 repulsive posts containing his lies. He is horrified that even one visitor to this forum will be spared or escape the distaste of exposure to him and his reactionary propaganda.
In this thread, he has so far only discharged 10 repulsive posts. That is because, in the last 24 hours, GC has performed most of his excretory activities in other threads.
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GhoulishColon, this is something that not only should be done, but must be done.
If Bush and his GOP swine stop wasting $12 a month on the bloodbath extermination of the Iraqi people [2,000,000 or 1 out of every 25 Iraqi citizens have perished in 5 years as a result of the US aggression and occupation], the bourgeois state can do something about US roads and other crumbling infrastructure.
For example, most bridges, overpasses, and driving surfaces in the USA are either at or over their designed life span.
For the most part, nothing but patchwork is done as maintenance.
Pretty soon, your car will fall in the river, or run thur the overpass, crash land, and block the traffic below or turnover over on the patched up driving surfaces.
Immigrant construction workers have a role to play in this project if it ever happens.
Perhaps, it can't be done without them.
“We recently discovered a training camp for the United Self-defense Forces of Colombia in Venezuelan territory. The camp was two minutes away from the border line," the top ranking officer told the Panorama daily.
Interviewed about insecurity in Zulia, ruled by opposition governor Manuel Rosales, Gonzalez said many Colombian death sqauds are crossing the border to commit common crimes.
Venezuelan ombudswoman Gabriela Ramirez said kidnapping for ramson and the use of hired assassins are recurrent in Zulia. She called for a strategy favoring the security initiative fostered by the Interior and Justice Ministries.
http://www.prensa-latinaenglish.com/article.asp?ID={B11B2A61-57E0-4B83-A1D7-14D12D60E2C8})&language=EN
That’s the case with Raúl Castro’s recent claim that there has not been ”one sole case of torture” in Cuba. Even by Cuba’s standards, this is an astonishing falsehood, a lie of such outsized proportions that even Raúl Castro should have been ashamed to utter it.
On another note, Italians in the earlier decades were very much disliked when they initially came to the US. The "italian invasion" crowded tenements, were put in internment camps and took the low-end jobs (i.e stole the jobs from other needy Americans) and at some point were also lynched (and now they practically own NY and NJ). Jews dealt with similiar conflicts. Is it safe to surmise that every generation or so deals with fear then subsequent acceptance of a outside group, only to have that cycle repeated?
Today its the mexican, tommorrow what will it be? People complain that they're breaking the law and taking our jobs, corporations are profiting off of exploitation, and yes, it does affect our economy but just a thought: If you lose your job to an immigrant, it's probably because he or she was willing to work harder for less money. That's what America is all about, right? And this is a practice not likely to stop anytime soon, especially the way the economy is going. It's a dog eat dog world out there. Who is the real sacrificial lamb here?
But everyone is doing it!
Waaaaaa....!!
Why are you picking on me?
Waaaaaa.....!
Fact#1: Illeagal imigrants are breaking the Law!
Fact#2: Just because somebody gets away with breaking the law doesn't make it ok for you to break it!
Fact#3: Life is hard!
Fact#4: Use up $$$ in Social Services without paying into the system.
Fact#5: They are breaking the LAW!!!!
Fact#6: 100% of Illegal immigrants are Criminals.
Fact#7: I don't want to hear about any sob stories. See Fact#3!
Break the law and you are a criminal.
LOLOLOL
Sounds like something I would've done...