put me on the list. wheredo you change them

And who will pay for the Toxic Chemical Cleanup and the Medical bills when all the Mercury in those bulbs are unleashed? Al Gore?

these lightbulbs have been available since the beginning of the yr 2000! gosh, can you say retrasados...:(

Guess You can't never make everybody happy according to the opinions post it here.

Awesome! about time something like this happened. And @ RD$22/bulb, doesn't sound too bad. Next step is that I'd like to make sure that the procurement process is more open.

THis is a good thing... Not everone is completely good or bad.

cheers,

Tonyc Al Gore aka Ozone Al is going to eat each and every one of them....Just as he tells Tipper " Turn out the Light and I will eat it "....Thats a lot a light bulbs

Baldy not even you

Of course, we need to see how the bulbs will be distributed. WIll they go to PLD supporters? which case this would be yet another form of clientetist tactic. Will they go to first come first serve? In which case, it may not benefit the MOST needy. OR will there be an effort to give them out to families in poor areas?

I'd like to know more...

baldoria,

And who are the most needy? The ones stealing electricity?

Perhaps... The point of this initiative, to my understanding, is not to recriminate those hhouseholds with clandestine electricity connection, but rather to lower consumption.

So what does it matter? lowering consumtion helps everyone!

I cant wait to be able to buy them on the black market

"I cant wait to be able to buy them on the black market"

Smart man!

Five years ago, the Cubans were ridiculed for doing this in their celebrated energy revolution. They later spread the light bulb component of their energy revolution to about 10 LA/C countries where visiting Cuban social workers changed over 50,000,000 bulbs.

"I cant wait to be able to buy them on the black market." GC wrote.

That answers a question I've wondered about for years.

Question: Why would the Cubans send thousands of social workers abroad to change light bulbs?

To keep them off the black market.

Of course.

The Cubans donated the millions of light bulbs they changed in LA/C.

The DR should continue to emulate the Cuban energy revolution by importing a million energy-saving Chinese rice cookers and those mini-electrical hi-tech generators about size of a shipping container [in fact, they are in containers], but they puts out as much energy as a costly medium size power plant which the incompetent bourgeoisie in the energy sector loves so much.

840,000 homes means about 10,000,000 bulbs [those lamps] changed.

A good piece of work.

At $1.85 a bulb, that seem kind of rich, even without the big quantity purchase thing. Perhap, they bought more than 10 million, as replacements for the replacements.

Approximately 90% of the power consumed by an incandescent light bulb is emitted as heat, rather than as visible light. 90% waste.

City, county, and state governments as well as many companies are finally switching over big time in the USA.

The savings in energy and money have been astonishing.

I now see the LIGHT.

How many Cubans does it take to change a light bulb ?

Ten. One to change the light bulb, and nine to say how much better the light bulbs were in Cuba before Castro and the revolution.

Sorry to disappoint you .. but those flourescent light bulbs I purchased locally do not seem to last very long .. Made in China? I have had to replace more than half of them since I began trying them out in January .. the ones I brought back from NY seem to fare much better .. so all this clapping and celebrating may be a little premature .. don't you think?

Ghoulish, some of the light bulbs you refer to are atrocious. they las a few days, then retire with a whimper. however , there are good quality makes which last a long time. as Belial noted, Cuba has been donating millions of the bulbs over the last decade ti other caribbean nations. and, anthonyc, maybe the guys who clean up the waste from the bulbs will be the same guys who clean up nuclear waste. i hardly believe this is the greatest of our pollution worries

"maybe the guys who clean up the waste from the bulbs will be the same guys who clean up nuclear waste. i hardly believe this is the greatest of our pollution worries"

everyone of those "green" bulbs contain Mercury.
If you have ever seen the affect of Mercury Poisoning on a person you wouldn't be so quick to pull a silly comparison out of the air.

the Mad Hatter is the best example

have you seen the effects of nuclear meltdowns, anthonyc? if you saw the results of chernobyl, you would not be so rash in your rejoinder. does that mean that we expunge nuclear power from the list of energy options? how about the effects of oil spìlls, when a supertanker busts open and spills its guts? what about the pollution from smokestacks at factories? or from automobile exhaust pipes? or how about the toxic runoff from mining metals, which sometimes ends up in groundwater aquifers? shall i continue, or do we just revert to the stone age? when you choose a bizarre example, solely for the pùrpose of either being contrarian , or being noticed, always remember that it ought to make some sense!!!

Dread,

Save the snipping.
Do you take Nuclear fuel into you home?

As for the other stuff.........The world, led by the US has been accomplishing much in the effort to lower pollutants.

Excuse me if I fail to embrace a "green" alternative just because the Media Hysteria says I must do so.

I use some of those bulbs in my own home but I am educated enough to know what to do if one breaks.
Do you think a Camposino knows waht to do or is even aware of the potential danger? You don't!

TonyC, I'm glad you don't take things just b/c their in the media. Maybe you should reference some scientific reports about "green" alternatives and report back. Until then, I can attest that I've used energy saving lightbulbs, and have not been affected negatively, yet ;-) I can't say it's saved me a lot of money, b/c my electricity bills were already low. So with that said, why not try something new, that has not hurt people who've used it, at least I haven't heard of any.

BUt again, Tony, go out do research and report back to us. I'd love to learn more.

cheers,

Here ya go.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7431198

http://epa.gov/mercury/spills/index.htm

Do'h!

Well, maybe we should rethink these bulbs. What do you propose are good alternatives?

"Here ya go," anthonyC urinates on the festival, citing the link immediately below.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7431198

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Wiki says however:

"In the U.S., lighting manufacturer members of the National Electrical Manufacturers Association (NEMA) have voluntarily capped the amount of mercury used in CFLs. Some manufacturers such as Philips, GE, TCP Inc. and Turolight make very low mercury content CFLs. "

"In 2007, Turolight claimed its new Genesis Fusion line contained only 1mg of mercury, making it the lowest EnergyStar approved bulb in North America."

"In areas powered by coal, CFLs end up marginally saving on mercury emissions versus incandescent bulbs, due to the offset power use (coal releases mercury as it is burned)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp#cite_note-37

[In other words, since the CFLs consume less energy than incandescents, less coal is burned and less mercury is released from the burning.]

wanker from wiki strikes again

"Wanker from wiki strikes again," GC unjustly disparages.

0000

The strike is on target.

Wikipedia.

Knowledge for Retards

"Wikipedia."

"Knowledge for Retards"

oooo

You should read nothing else.

spoken by someone who knows

"spoken by someone who knows"

oooo

Thank you.

knows he is afflicted....your welcome

anthonyc, what the heck do you mean by asking if i take nuclear waste into my home? actually, i do not. but, in the event of a nuclear accident, you will not have to. it will enter by itself. you see, i am just making reference to similarly toxic scientific advances which we have not eschewed because of the dire possibilities. in all ventures, there is the concept of the cost benefit analysis. if the positives outweigh the negatives, then the idea is usually considered viable. maybe you need to stop reading the publications from right wing reactionaries and start thinking for yourself. you will do yourself a great service. besides, fluorescent technology has been around forever. how come i never heard you fulminating against it until now?

Dread,

When was the last Nuclear accident at a western built and designed Facility that allowed toxic waste enter a private home?

When? Come on...tell me!!!!

Guess what?
If you have those bulbs in your house you have Mercury!!!

yes, anthonyc. i also have a thermometer in the medicine cabinet. there is far more mercury i that than any lightbulb. in the event it falls and shatters, i would have a far greater problem with cleanup. how come nobody is ranting against those?

Because the Mercury in your thermometer, if broken, would be released in Liquid form and is less a danger than if you bust a Lightbulb and inhale the mercury in its Gaseous state.

Did you take Chemistry? Did you go to school?

Of course mercury is only a small problem that faces the DR
The really problem is the rampant use of di-hydro monoxide. It is being used in both the petrochemical and agrichem industries and can now be found in every river, lake, reservoir and in the seas surrounding the DR

Anthony C
It just seems that every time we find a solution to one problem we end up producing yet another, please send more information on di-hydro monoxide, I'm sure this will educate and inform us, which may benefit us all in the long run.

The Worst part of the di-hydro monoxide crisis is that the Government itself is heavily involved. In some places that actually are facillitating it's introduction into your consumables.

In Parts of Africa it is the cause of much sickness and death.

Caracas, Jul 28 (Prensa Latina) Venezuela has replaced 72.3 million traditional light bulbs for saving bulbs as part of the Energy Revolution program.

Only in the third stage of the plan 4,684,176 light bulbs have been changed in 76 days, equivalent to a saving of 236.46 megawatts.

In the two previous stages 1,800 megawatts were saved installing 68 million saving light bulbs.

The Energy Revolution Mission includes the use of alternative energy like solar and wind power and for this purpose photovoltaic systems are being installed in border, isolated and indigenous areas.

Belail,
You leader Chavez is also part of the di-hydro monoxide consortium. In fact Venezuela is one of South America's largest producers.

"You leader Chavez is also part of the di-hydro monoxide consortium. In fact Venezuela is one of South America's largest producers."

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Manny is a commie. Manny is a commie.

http://mediarelations.officedepot....vironment/docs/change-a-light.pdf

What's more!

http://wizbangblue.com/2007/04/26....an-incandescent-bulbs-by-2012.php

And, guess what?

http://www.newser.com/story/30446.html

"Again Belail ignores the facts," anthonyC deplores.

This guy is a joke.

Again Belail ignores the facts.

actually, anthonyc, the most important issue regarding mercury is the ingestion of the substance. firstly, you have not established the percentage of lightbulbs which are broken, the circumstances under which they are broken, as it regards exposure to population, and the amount of repetitive exposure each person needs before it becomes an issue. i hardly believe that if two bulbs break in your home in the space of 10 years, you will be at risk. on the other hand, my ignorant simpleton fellow, if your infant ingests the contents on a mercury thermometer at one gulp, you have a far greater problem.you should refrain from questioning the academic and intellectual wherewithal of others: remember you are the idiot who did not even know that Trinidad produces oil.

Dread boy.

How many thermometers do you have in your home? How many Lightbulbs?
Actually Mercury based thermometers are being replaced by digital one anyway.

Most homes do not have a Mercury based themometer. Most homes HAVE lightbulbs.

you have not answered the question. the question is one of exposure. the phosphor layer in the bulb is on the inside, as is the vapor. if the bulb does not break, the contaminant remains sealed from the possible victim. the question becomes, from a statistical standpoint, a matter of probabilities. firstly, to elevate the question from the status of a non-issue, we have to establish how much of the vapor each person has to ingest before it becomes toxic. which translates into how many bulbs we have to break, within human catchment, to imperil a normal body. we then have to do a probability distribution to establish the probability of each person breaking that threshold amount in his lifetime. if we need to be exposed to , say, 10 milligrams, and each bulb contains a half a milligram, then we have to break 20 bulbs. what about recovery time? is the effect cumulative, or does it wear off with time? you see, my little undereducated fellow, analytical questions have to be asked.

i am fully aware that a deficient brain such as yours finds itself severely distressed by such weighty inquiry, which suggests that you should keep your yap shut and maybe you will learn something!

Little Willie from his mirror
Licked the mercury right off,
Thinking in his childish error
It would cure the whooping cough.
At the funeral his mother
Smartly said to Mrs. Brown,
"'Twas a chilly day for Willie
When the mercury went down."

my sentiments exactly, Goulet. i wonder when we will see a literary masterpice such as this regarding energy saver bulbs!