I don't think that should be allow to happen. no no no way.

They're only officializing an already existing situation, bernies. So this practice will continue even if the Electoral Central Board gives it their sanction or not. You should know that the only law that can't ever be broken on the DR is the one dictated by $$$$$$$, and currently, those interests can't seem to stop loving haitian labour (because of it's maximizing of profits properties) and are dictating for its stay and widespread use on the DR. Get it?

Lautaro:

Why You always promoting dark opinions to please Your friends??


We are already screwed up with this measure and You push the issue.......

Because, unlike you, I have the benefit of living in the country and seeing the situation as it stands.

Very interesting wonder why will they do that ? despite all the aminosity, I guess the old green buck conquer everything.

Rubi que te calles,

Antonioj:

Why People like You always wish and want what don't belong to You??

Haiti is also a Country in need, I would like to see the Dom. Rep. Gov. issue weekly work permits at a low cost, and set a National Minimum Wage Salary for the entire Country, just think monies generated could then be used to enforce the border from illegal immigration and contraband items like Weapons and drugs and a higher pay for the border Guards, and who knows maybe next time I'm driving around the DR I won't see so many unemployed Young Dominicans hanging around street corners...................... WORK, WORKS !

You know what baffles me the most. It is the fact that many of you on here who sits here in the US acting like DR is this extreme advance developed country that is not depending on the businesses of Haiti its neighbor that it co-habits the Island of Hispaniola with and verse versa.

No matter how strong is the resentment and hatred between the two Independent Nations, one thing will always remain that DR needs Haiti more than most of you want to realize, admit or more than most of you have found this pill so hard to swallow. Before many of you or even your parents could have had been born to know what the US looks like today, DR and Haiti no matter how complex the relationship is, have always needed each other. Sitting your asses in the US does not make any of you experts.

Lastly, do you think the high governmental officials of both Nations are not drinking buddies and not depend on the hatred and stupidness that you the mass populace exposes and expresses? Think again.

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JRRubirosa, 28 Jul 2008 1:34 PM
From: United States
Antonioj:

Why People like You always wish and want what don't belong to You??
"
I have no idea what are you trying to say Rubirosito, Can anyone translate this in Spanish

Antonioj:

The always hidden agenda behind Your people subliminal wishes...............

Entiendes ahora negrito cocolo??

AfroLatino,
Hey Brother, Haitians are Human beings also, I think my last input to this forum did not single out the Haitians as THE PROBLEM what effects one, effects all, unemployment is high in the Dom. Rep. and your right we do share the same island but it's problems lie with both Dom. Rep. and Haiti's Governments not it's people. One can't help, without helping ones self first , my opinion was "NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE SALARY FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTRY" that's equal pay across the board and everybody benefits, ONE COUNTRY CANNOT BENEFIT ALONE. that's how you deal with, can I say "RESENTMENT" And that pill you speak of, I hope it's a vitamin pill for we ALL need it.

What many people do not know is that there has been historically a "secret" long-standing complicity between Dominican and Haitian authorities and ruling classes to organize human trafficking across the border. It has been happening for years since the time of the US occupation of the two countries on the Island. Rafael Leonidas Trujilo planned the massacre of 37,000 Haitians with full knowledge of the US government.
However, human trafficking continued. The government of Duvalier made money selling human cargo to the DR for its labor supply. These hundreds of thousands of workers have been living in the DR, worked their behinds off, and have children. They have been denied workers rights and any benefits that come with that, retirement, pension, sick days etc. These are the people DR hates so much that they want to deport massively and violently constantly.
The DR has a responsibility to give back to the workers their due. Their human and worker rights should be respected.

It is clear that we cannot ask these reactionary governments or ruling classes (Dominican or Haitian) to be fair because by nature they are exploiters of human labor whether it be Haitian or Dominican (they don't care what nationality you are for that matter). However, the struggles of the people/the masses in unity (if united) can impose fairer treatment. The Dominican capitalists are ripping off the Dominican workers too. That's why the ruling classes and Dominican authorities have a keen interest to foment hysteria, xenophobia and hatred among the people in the DR against workers of Haitian Descent. This keeps them divided to extremes. While dividing the Dominican and Haitian workers, the capitalists are enriching themselves by exploiting both and having the workers kill each other. That way, they can enjoy their spoils in peace. So, it is very hypocritical when those authorities are crying bloody murder eager to deport Haitians. As they deport hundreds, they recruit thousands.

Ignorance is a function of class prejudice and not the other way around. Your class standpoint makes you blind to certain facts, knowledge, and reflection. To be able to understand the issues relating to the Haitian workers in the DR correctly, you have to get out of the box so to speak. You must be able to profess at least some intellectual honesty and curiosity. as Mao would say, "No serious inquiry, No right to speak". We have to bring the debate surrounding this question to another level because we are dealing with questions of life and death of human beings. I am willing to listen to reasonable suggestions on how to bring about solutions to problems facing the two sister countries on the Island. However, people have to do their homework to post something that will contribute productively to the solutions.

Caonabohayti:

Good input but at the same time very "Haitian" biassed opinions so please do something else to release the stress besides posting Your comments.

What trade with Haiti? Haiti produces zilch, the dominican construction sector and other enterprises exploit haitians for their cheap labor that's all! its very simple. Its a chain of exploiters that dont benefit the dominican poor masses. The haitian elites that people talk about are foreign born with no interest in the developement of Haiti, they don't care about the plight of impoverished black haitians. The situation in Haiti and Dominican Republic is fundamentally very different so to draw comparisons is utterly ignorant.

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JRRubirosa, 28 Jul 2008 3:09 PM
From: United States
Antonioj:

The always hidden agenda behind Your people subliminal wishes...............

Entiendes ahora negrito cocolo??
"
You are the most ignorant, compare to you I am a "bon blanc" . Get an education learn to read and write english. Please do not try so hard ....just keep fooling yourself and your Spaniard wannabe friend. I would suggest you to seek help in order to break free from that mental bondage, sad legacy indeed.

Archatype, you are such a coward and have a major complex. Do you think the elites of DR are native dominicans? Your prejudice blocks you from seeing things clearly. Dominican Republic most important trading partner is the Republic of Haiti. Maybe if you lived down there instead of USA talking non sense you would realise that. Now with the price of air fare I guess we will see you once every two years. By that time el Haitiano will have knocked up that chick you send remesas to. such a coward. To think some dominicans in the USA are more backwards with all the resources than dominicans living on the island. pardon for the dominican americans making strides and have overcome obstacles to get where they are.

JabaoHaitiano Haiti dont produce enough to even feed itself you fetus! The most important trading partner for the Dominican Republic is the United States, and the elites are dominican look at the construction boom in D.R. paid for by you guess it dominicanos. What you have in Haiti a poverty boom!!!!! Sorry so sorry. http://dr1.com/realestate/news/tag/grupo-metro/ - http://www.naita.org/docs/drmobile.pdf

Archatype you are trying to play big but are a little man in the totem pole. You don't even know the make up of your own elite. Not the middle class driving SUVs looking down at you family. Again you are a cobarde. You were born a poor dominican and despite your move to the usa u will die a poor dominican..loser. the damn country is having an electrical crisis and this idiot is talking about the construction boom that will not see a native dominican occupying..lol..stick to dominican parade and visiting once every two years.

Dominican Republic economic profile http://www.heritage.org/research/..../country.cfm?id=DominicanRepublic

Haiti economic profile http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/country.cfm?id=Haiti

Stay in Haiti Jabao!

Dominican Republic exports over $10 billion dollars in one year. While broke Haiti only exports $529 million dollars in one year. Great Jabao just great. Now keep on talking S**T!!!!! Im laughing at you! Dont get mad with the Yankees they are assisting your savage inept society with plenty of mula, negrito cocolo dont bite the hand that feeds you O.K.!

Love to make your day.

FranktheTank, please let him keep spewing garbage. A slime ball like him thinks being a proud dominican is hating on haitians. This guy is a pure idiot that i hope dominicans in the usa can learn how not to become. What part of dominican society will this guy be accepted by? He's a nobody that has dominican pride in USA without knowing the hardship of dominicans in the DR. Get outside your enclave and live a little. I dont mind him at all..he is pure entertainment. Just to show you that dominicans in the DR dont need to travel abroad to expand beyond there horizon. How many would die to be in his place to do something positive. Such a productive dominican..if u have so much heart..lets meet up..in usa or dr..and see u much of a tough guy u are

JRRubirosa,
On July 28, I contributed 3 interconnected posts on the topic of Haitian Immigration in the DR. I would want to believe this is a forum for intelligent and democratic discourse, conversation, and dialogue among people who share this beautiful Island of HAYTI, QUISQUEYA OR BOHIO. Please let's keep this focused on the issue at hand instead of spitting unnecessary insults that will get us nowhere. For my part, I apologize if my posts sounded or seemed Haiti "biased"; that was not my intention at all. However, if you can point to what you considered biased, I will correct it. I would appreciate learning what you thought was good about my input too. To keep this forum positive and productive, it is important to focus on statements, critique the statements , offer an alternative view and avoid making personal attacks. Personal attacks waste everyone's time and poison the social and intellectual atmosphere. We are here to learn from each other. Keep it positive. Hasta Luego!

Jabao Haitiano I dont want to be accepted by your type, you are a retrogressive ignorant person. When you stand corrected then you become mr. nice guy. That's your angle! First respect the majority posters in this forum, and if you cant back up your fictitious claims then i suggest that you dont post anything that stand scrutiny.

Caonabohayti,
Very well said......I will admit I myself have learned a lot from this forum and sometimes have responded with an insult my self without realizing it and if so, like a Man I apologize to ALL. We must all remember that many, many people from around the World tap into this forum [and that many may never input for fear of being intimidated or ridiculed ] just remember this, a lot can be said about a Man from what comes out of his Mouth or in this case.....From the Heart threw the brain or from the Brain threw the Heart out the finger tips and into a computer key board.

" arkatype, 29 Jul 2008 12:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Jabao Haitiano I dont want to be accepted by your type, you are a retrogressive ignorant person. When you stand corrected then you become mr. nice guy. That's your angle! First respect the majority posters in this forum, and if you cant back up your fictitious claims then i suggest that you dont post anything that stand scrutiny.
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Actually, I do not think anyone want be your type, you a very confused , unhappy, and sad person, several of your pyschopathic posting have demonstrated just that.

Your mind is so twisted that you provide sheer entertainment, to the forum, propaganda his your goal and fact distortion is your method, the sad part you think that your are right, but you know for sure, like everybody else that you are wrong.

Antonioj:

"Bon blanc" ????

Do You believe Your own delussional thinking??

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JRRubirosa, 29 Jul 2008 3:41 PM
From: United States
Antonioj:

"Bon blanc" ????

Do You believe Your own delussional thinking??
"
Learn how to read and write "delusional " yes unlike you cochita , I do not have any psychological, emotional difficulty or inhibition. I am sorry I can not teach you french when you can barely write and understand English. Let me know if I should translate for you.

Antonioj:

Let's see Mr. cocolo, I might be ignorant according to your PHD English expertise but at least
I don't brag about characteristics that I don't have.

Antonioj i wont answer your last post. Go to Mexico, dont forget your wig and vaseline.

Where is my dear friend who knows everything, "BON BLANC", English PHD, etc.

Mr. or Mrs Antonioj.

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JRRubirosa, 29 Jul 2008 5:23 PM
From: United States

Let's see Mr. cocolo, I might be ignorant according to your PHD English expertise but at least
I don't brag about characteristics that I don't have.
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Sorry Rubi you are not ignorant, but illiterate, there is a difference. The truth will set you free, unlike you I am not a pretender, I am real. I have great respect and admiration for the Dominican people, specially the one that I know personally, however I find it difficult not to fall prey to your typical flawed and stereotypical argument. In other words get a life and an education.

http://www.1000ventures.com/busin....s/nlp_perceptual%20positions.html

Arka, I am leaving August the 15th sure I will take the wig if you stop looking at history from the Spaniard point of view.

Antonioj what the hell are you talking about? again think before you post content.

Antonioj:

So according to You, History has to be study according to Haitians???

In this case You are the illiterate because You need to research little bit more regarding
Spain, last time that I checked Spain was the biggest $$$$$$ donor to Dominican Rep.

I'm 3rd generation Spanish descendant and most of the Dominicans have some kind of
Spanish lineage.

Don't Try to tell me That We are Sweedish, French or Guyanes descendants.

wasn't appropriate..edited

And then every week end the Haitian elite returns home in the Dominican Republic for its safety.
And they run to hide in the Dominican Republic after they have plotted a coup.
I have heard all your nationalic and proud comments. Blame somebody else for our troubles.
Blame the Dominicans.
As the song goes "Nou se aveg se tombe nou tombe la"
"We are not responsible for Haiti's misery"
Or are we a pack of irreponsibles ??

Etienne, are you referring your comments to me?

TO ALL.....Why don't we start by doing the human thing ! which is instead of insults and personal attacks at each other fueled by our personal beliefs and agendas, let's start by using our knowledge to inspire, educate and enlighten all the readers of this FORUM. Please take in consideration......What would one gain, if one would lose support of others / many readers.....In other words let's stop sounding like a bunch of FN'en "United Nations" SOB's behind closed doors out of the Publics and the media's view, making policies that justify there own existence and where finger pointing and verbal offensive gestures is the norm......