who cares about the stupid protest, send more troops and build a very tall fence :D

who cares about the stupid protest, send more troops and build a very tall fence :D

You can say that again and

again

By what stretch of anyone's imagination do the Haitian people in the communities cited think they have grounds for a "Protest"??
Are they so vain as to think they have the right to enter and exit another country just because they are Haitian?
Perhaps a semi-permanent closure of the border would give them a "wake-up call" as to their true status and position on this island.
These "Protests" are obviously organized by people with such attitudes whose sole purpose is to cast disparagements against the DR for international edification and for no other reason.
There is a movement amoung Haitians for an "Open Border" between the two nations, and protests such as this merely provide ammunition for outside supporters to broadcast the image that the DR is at fault.

TB

the Hidden Agenda.....you got that right

TexasBill:

Excellent input....................

Slow your horses everyone. Ok there was a protest by Haitian nationals along the border in the northern region but the journalist didn't specify "why". All we are doing here is falling on bait and speculating. TB, I dont see why your input in such a matter should even matter "close the border and show those haitians". Hmm, very interesting from a foreignor don't you think. Dont get me wrong your opinion should be stated but not in this way. Besides, it's your country and the international community who are trying to merge the two countries. We haitians don't want a Republica dominico-haitiana. Until this journalist does he/her homework about the reason for the protest this topic is open for nothing but fueling the fire. Where are you guys getting these journalist, DT? What happen to providing suffice information then half of it.

This is scary... I am sh-t in my pants, troops built up for what ? Haiti is a paper tiger

From what the major players in the dominican media say, the reason behind these protests might be the high costs of foodstuffs still plaguing the country.

Thanks Lautaro for the information rather this mediocre news. Sad thing is these are foreignors getting paid a good salary sometimes car and apartment just because he's an extranjero while the dominican that speaks english gets paid poorly and has to commute without stipends..

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TexasBill, 30 Jul 2008 9:35 AM
From: Dominican Republic
By what stretch of anyone's imagination do the Haitian people in the communities cited think they have grounds for a "Protest"??
Are they so vain as to think they have the right to enter and exit another country just because they are Haitian?
Perhaps a semi-permanent closure of the border would give them a "wake-up call" as to their true status and position on this island.
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Texas bill I think you wrong and Jabao is right, let me point you to the full story

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeq....PIvH83ycZGrTDhXfEKithe4wD927T6BO7

Antonioj thanks for providing the full story "reason why" the protest. I am shocked a foreignor can make such outrageous statements b4 finding out the truth. So now that you foot or keyboard is in your mouth can we get an apology sir. appreciate it, btw I have read some of your comments before and no you ain't ignorant. thank you

This just goes to show that people in the media have to be very careful when exercising the right of freedom of the press, specially when the image of countries that are in need of every possible aid is on the line. Too much is at stake on Haiti as things are standing, specially now that the political class have finally reached an agreement on the ministry issue.

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Lautaro, 30 Jul 2008 10:01 AM
From: Dominican Republic
From what the major players in the dominican media say, the reason behind these protests might be the high costs of foodstuffs still plaguing the country.
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Lautaro it has nothing to do with high price of food this time, some hooligans took over of some old barracks in the border area requesting the re-instatement of the army. I am dead against any Haitian army specially with their past history.

PORT-AU-PRINCE (Reuters) - About 200 ex-soldiers occupied former military buildings in northern Haiti on Tuesday to demand the reinstatement of the disbanded army and 14 years of back pay, the group's leader and witnesses said.

The men took over the buildings in Cap-Haitien, Haiti's second largest city, and in Ouaminthes, a town on the border with the Dominican Republic.

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSN2938189920080729

It's a dangerous situation, considering that the country is already under a lot of pressure from Aristide's partisans. The worst thing that could happen is for it to be caught between two fires, with the Minustah soldiers as happy bystanders.

I would not blame Texasbill, I think the Journalist did an awful job presenting this article
there is a saying in the computer field garbage -> in = garbage ->out

I am not blaming Texasbill at all but hold him accountable for his statements. As a first world individual he should have done his homework rather than post on impulse like some ignorant dominicans like Rubi and clan. Remember they are suppose to set an example to the third world folks like us. Pardon for the other dominicans how don't fall into that category. I am shocked that a foreignor of both countries have the audacity to say that when it is his country who is trying to merge the two countries. Look at the OAS not the haitian people. All I want is oops I jumped in b4 testing to see if there was water in the pool.

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JabaoHaitian, 30 Jul 2008 10:37 AM
From: Haiti

All I want is oops I jumped in b4 testing to see if there was water in the pool.
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No doubt, next time you know it, like they say sh-t hit the fan...

Antonioj and JabaoHaitian:

So now You are going to blame the press and Texasbill for your people's behavior???

SHAME on Your civilization for never being accountable of Your own actions.

I truly believe that Mr TB is aware and concious of his unbiased statements.

TEXASBILL: Goddamn it... I couldn't have said it better

" JRRubirosa, 30 Jul 2008 11:12 AM
From: United States

Antonioj and JabaoHaitian:

So now You are going to blame the press and Texasbill for your people's behavior???
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I am sick and tired of you making things up, can you point me where I have blamed texas bill ?
Do you suffer from attention deficit ? on top of being illiterate.. Can you at least try to understand what you reading before making wild comment as such.

They finally made correction to the article, proof that unlike Rubi there are smart Dominicans and Journalist out there that can reason and acknowledge mistakes.

Haiti protests prompt Dominican troop-buildup along border (Update)

well, the predictable has happened again. the word Haiti crops up in the article, and all hell breaks loose. postings are flying left ,right, and center. guys cannot wait to take pot shots at the Haitians, without even knowing the nature of the event. had not Jabao reminded us that the article did not outline the cause of the riots, and therefore its immediate relevance to the DR, all manner of lunacy would have emanated from the minds of our friends at the keyboards. man, this is one touchy subject, which seems to attract the usual suspects as efficiently as cheese attracts rats!

Before we jump the gun, I see that the article has been updated so I'm not sure if this was originally included but the last two lines clearly state the problem:

"The news agencies Associated Press and Reuters report that ex members of the Haitian Army are occupied a former military building in Cape Haitien, the country's second largest city."

AntonioJ, Dead on! I didn't see your response b4 mine.

Turns out it is just a bunch of goons who want their Uniforms and Guns back so they can steal some more.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200807...._ylt=AiPFN9NLKWnzltjiqnHs6.hvaA8F

Haiti, See it like a Native.

If they had not lost their jobs we would not be having all these problems on the border today .....Bring back Basket Head or somebody like him or the Old Man and restore some order

I would like to thank the DT staff for making the corrections. Hey we are all humans and it can happen. Thanks for the professionalism of your staff and editors. Now let's get to low life dominicans like Rubi. Antonioj, personally I like this guy..He is one person you need around for laughs and don't take seriously. How the hell did he get to the states..sure didn't have the IQ nor the finance to get a legit visa. So what's your story. How does a guineo chiripero end up in the USA to still be dumb with all the resources. Sad thing is you are hurting the dominican image. Damn if foreignors keep reading you they will confirm the stereotypes of some. What school did you attend in the DR rubi.. Or wasn't that you didn't go at all until you landed in USA..have to teach you how to comprehend english and your won language..the burden of the american taxpayers...

well, Jabao, as the old saying goes ¨ YOU CAN´T SHINE SH..T.¨ not because dudes end up in the states means that the states will end up in them.

GC, I don't know if you are being sarcastic but I think they need to be re-instated. These guys will seal the border up and will make it hell for haitians to cross over illegally and deter dominican narcos from making transactions without paying a high fee. Rather have these goons doing something than sitting around bored..these guys take their military seriously..

JabaoH...you bet I am serious we made the same mistake in Iraq when we disbanded their only viable law and order....In the case of Haiti this was a dumb dogooder idea foisted off on Bubba Clinton by the Black Congressional Congress....It turned out to be the Betamax of ideas

What just happened here is a microcosms of the power of media outlets over peoples opinions.we as a society or at least the great majority will instantly believe anything written or said on news channels without considering the facts. News of any kind coming from dominico-haitian border are always inflammatory, bias, distorted etc . etc
Nothing new giving our history. But a new opportunity for the hate mongers to come out and start spewing venom without knowing what a heck is going on.

Hate mongers spewing where ?.......... I am shocked shocked

Jabao, had I not predicted this would happen or not? I did say that The Government should have re-call those old members back into service since they still exist in the Constitution or face a possible lash out of the former Haitian troops whom the Government still own them pensions and such. Anyway DR does not want a secure, stable nor prosperous Haiti in anyway, to DR if Haiti could always remain poor and in despair would mean that DR will always be on top, and if Haiti ever become economically stable it will be challenging and a threat to DR's economy. Thus Haiti & Haitians find themselves in a Damn if the they do and damn if they don't lose-lose situation with DR & Dominicans. I mean have any of you ever seem a Dominican stating how they would like to see an economically stable Haiti so that perhaps more Haitian do not cross over? No, instead they are so caught up in the hatred made up mind and only wish ill on Haiti so they can always say they have too many Haitians in DR

Gracias hermano Haitiano, I wonder if you will see this news on a Haitian site??? Probably not till next wk. I honestly pisses me off when I hear people talk sh*t about DR and coming on DR nickames or acting like they are Dominican when in fact they are Haitian or foreigners. It's sad to see that we have these cowards among us. The internet gives too many access to idiots who shouldn't be allowed to be on in hte first place. My motto is this coming on line and be you. Don't act like someone you are not. Haitians stop playing victims as not ALL Dominicans HATE you or wish you died, if some due you already know why. You guys HATE Dominicans too so talk about that also and stop being negative towards anything Dominicans. It's a two-sided thing that gets blown out of porportion. Move on......

Yes some people spoke before the whole article was finished. It happens but that's the general sentiment of Dominicans. Illegals Haitains don't belong in DR or anywhere else just like illegal Dominicans! The DR and Haiti are going to go under a federalization type arrangement which is being pushed by the inernational community, (US, EU, France, Canada) where the DR will help Haiti rebuild. It will be the quickest and most efficient way to help build Haiti. I don't think anyone wants this arrangement but it is going to happen.

Afrolatino,

Haiti is at the bottom b/c your government is corrupt and doesn't give a fu*k about YOU people. That's the real issue. Why don't you have a government. Coup d'etat all the time. You are responsible for your failures. Why do Haitians keep blaming DR for your problems?? That is so baseless and inappropriate. You can't even elect a prime minster, Is that DR's fault also?? I mean come on, lets be real here. The world has isolated itself from you, Is that DR's fault???

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AfroLatino, 30 Jul 2008 1:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic
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I do not agree with your analysis, I think you have it wrong go refine and fine tune it. No Dominicans on their right mind would prefer to live border to the poorest country in the americas.
Even renegate like Rubi have clearly stated his view on several post, this type of commentary is inflammatory and does not help.

Ny4life, calmate manito..I know afrolatino can be a pain in the a$$ but dont let him get you reveled up. Think about the other majority of haitians in DT that have sat down with him and like me that has given him cocotazos for being bias. As Antonioj stated it would be far off to think the dominican people want haiti in despair. Dont fall into the cob web of the minority. As much dumb dominicans you have we have our share of ours that see things in a small peep hole. BTW, the haitian press is on it and people are getting the word. I feel DT's update of the circumstances demonstrates that dominicans don't wish us haitains bad. Afrolatino, come one man. ARe you serious? What are your proof? Ok I few poor dominicans in the USA that read too much books trying to find pride in being dominican by spewing rhetorics about us haitian. NY4life called you out. Care to explain your identity..lol.map jouer avec ou..but relax my friend. nothing but allegations with no substance.

NY4life you mentioned that you never heard or see Haitians talking about DR in their forum here's one by coincidence about commom market DR - Haiti very interesting.


http://www.haitixchange.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/459/

enjoy !!

ny4life you seem to be speaking of things out of anger and of things you know little about. Haiti isn't isolated from anybody. Political instability characterizes Haiti's bad rep but Haiti isn't diplomatically isolated from any country. Au contraire my friend, Haiti is highly dependent on foreign aid and diplomats from regional allies and countries are constantly visiting the country and establishing links. There are two factors that cause all or most coup d'etats in Haiti. One is corruption and ill governance and therefore public dissatisfaction while the other is foreign interference ranging from diplomatic pressure to rebel support and the likes. The fact that Haiti is so fragile politically speaking showed when Alexis was sacked because of a global crisis. Don't go off about Haitians ny4life because of AfroLatino's views. We know Dominicans want a prosperous Haiti and naturally that should be the case.

I guess this is what DT was trying to say .. yet another incident in that strife torn nation .. like they don't already have enough to deal with ..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4492911.stm

One would think that with all the brain power and money floating around in the world .. the economic problems of Haiti could have been solved a long time ago .. but it seems they are not important because there is no OIL there .. no major shipping lanes to protect .. it is clear that nobody really cares about Haiti .. nobody ..

What do you mean by "yet another incident"? GhoulishColon why are you posting a news article of Haiti in 04/05 during the interim government to prove a supposed point?

AntonioJ, yes the topic was started by a Dominican. There is no news there about Haiti or DR ever posted on the site as news is posted there very slowly on current events about Haiti. Most of the Haitian-DR news is introduced by Dominicans on that site.

Thanks for the link. DId you read what El Mayimbe said, What do you think about that guy?

ny4life check www.lenouvelliste.com for Haitian news although its in French. Same goes for www.metropolehaiti.com which also is in French. If you check out haitixchange long enough you'll find that many news articles are posted on that site from Haitian news sites. I don't know where you get the notion that Haitians only get their news from Dominican websites.

The news on Haitixhange is not reported daily and I have never seen news on that site about DR. Haitian sites in English are not updated daily and are not generallyy helpful since the news outdated. Yes, the news posted in the forum and not the frontpage news page are from members who translate from other news sources. Most that news has nothing to do with DR. I don't know if its intentionall or what have you but the news mostly doesn't talk about DR. As I said before the news posted via the forum and not front page about DR-Haiti is posted mostly by a Dominican poster that gets information from Dominican news sources. I am very familiar with that site.

Why would Dominican news (the articles that have nothing to do with Haitians) be put on a Haitian site though ny4life? Haiti doesn't have a CESFRONT. Dominicans don't illegally migrate to Haiti for a better life. Haiti doesn't have supposedly "1 million" illegals in the country. Haiti isn't being pressured by a foreign demographic. Naturally the DR will report on what happens in Haiti because all these factors apply to the DR. You gotta understand that. Whenever violence or a crisis breaks out in Haiti, DR fears a mass exodus of migrants therefore they will obviously want to know how the situation in Haiti is. You can't apply this to Haitian media. Also keep in mind that DT started out a news site and later added a forum while HX started out a forum and later decided to add some news to the mix. It doesn't have reporters on the ground in Haiti delivering news straight to the site. It's more a public forum than anything else but its useful

I understand that. I feel like the dispora (which make up most english speakers), the english speaking ones, on these english Haitian websites come to Dominican sites to see the news from Haiti b/c most news from Haiti are in french and they don't know the language or prefer english and if they prefer enlgish for Haitian up to date news they are going to use Dominican sources. You follow?? That's been the case and alot of Haitians get frustrated at the Dominican media for reporting such negative stories but that is the reality of what Hait is going through and like you said will affect DR. That's why its reported b/c of the constant migrant to DR. I guess what I fail to undersand is how illegal immigration from your country not be reported to inform your PEOPLE?? How is that not your issue and only DR's??? I don't get it.

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Ny4life
Thanks for the link. DId you read what El Mayimbe said, What do you think about that guy?
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Very controversial, by the way he's a senior member of the site. I think he will be slaughtered in a DR forum.

My opinion most Dominicans will want nothing to do with such arrangement with Haiti, some Haitians as well. A common market that as far I think will it go.

ny4life I'm glad you agree and you bring up a great point on the language barrier but many Haitians have a problem because the Dominican news sites only post articles on problems, violence, and crises that hit the country although there are tons of positive news and progress that has happened in the country as well. Therefore to many Dominican members on this site, it seems as if Haiti has remained the way it has and is going backwards by the day although that is far from the truth and it is slowly progressing. To the Haitians on those Dominican sites it seems as if DT is biased in it's reporting on Haiti. I'm not saying this is true or that I support their views but that is the predominant sentiment. I'm just saying the reality of the situation so don't categorize me as "one of those Haitians", lol.

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HAYkickyouintheSHIN, 30 Jul 2008 3:18 PM
From: Haiti
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Not to forget to mention the Dominicans sites ie DT are way head in term of using the newest technologies and being user friendly, whereas most Haitians sites are static, boring in look and feel.

OK, explanation in order over my post.
Events of thepast have imprinted on my brain that there are people who would purposefully create a situation within Haiti that would be contrary to fostering mproved relations between the DR and that country.
They're refered to as "Rabble Rousers" in common parlance, and are constantly at work to achieve their agenda of fomenting an International "BAD" attitude toward the DR.
These people have worked their way into the US Congressional Caucus's good graces, have developed video documentaries which focus on a minor segment of the Haitian population within the DR, and have generally been guilty of both Slanderous and Libelous predsentations to the International Community.
That the average Haitian has a "hard row to hoe" in the DR as an illegal immigrant is not denied by anyone, Dominican or Haitian. But, then, neither does the average Dominican have it any better. There is plenty of evidence to support that premise if you look for it.

Why guys are all wrong. Even this site doesn't give you up to date news of DR quickly as spanish dominican news. Many dominicans here too are more comfortable with english rather than reading in spanish. NY4life, there is also sakapfet that gives news in english to haitians in the USA. I think you are reaching there brother. I dont want to plug another site because I am not getting money out of it but there are many sites out there..but if you really want good news of that hotwax it is in french..Dude we are a french/creole speaking country just like if you want hotwax news from the DR it will be in spanish..No offense to teh DT who are doing an absolute job for you dominicans in USA that prefer english but what's the difference NY4life..Antonioj, mwen pas renmen commentaire ca du tout. DT just upgraded not to long ago and did a great job.

On top of all that, there are posters on this blog who continually advance opinions about the descrimination which Haitians receive from Dominicans in the DR.
Doesn't anyone think that that selfsame descrimination is directed at Domnicans by Haitians in Haiti? It would be ludicrous to think otherwise by any clear thinker.
As to my comment, it was issued with all of the above in mind and I will still stick by my analysis of the Haitian psyche and their attitude toward the DR.
These are a people who have been continuously beaten down and ignored by their own government for so many years that they automatically respond to the slightest thing with intense emotion, andI can't really fault them, but on the other hand, neither can I suport their manner of response.

TB

TexasBill sir you gotta be kidding me right. So now it is the liberals providing the OAS material that has the USA supporting the plight of illegal haitians in the DR. Sir I think we are too intelligent for us to except the reason and effect. We all know that USA looks out for his interest and gives a rats a$$ about the consequences. May I point out Irak..Hussein had his country in a much better condition although it was ruled with cruelty. Sir we aren't feeble minded individuals that doesn't understand the mechanism behind these pet projects and schemes to have IC get money to live in the caribbean and help our poor souls. Just not to long ago a couple of mormons bumped into me in the DR and it seem they were young kids partying than helping the needy. Some didn't even know what a batey was after living over a year here. I ask..where the hell are they spreading the word. Oh yeah right next to me eating pizza and streak..lol...and the look when ur english is better than theres..

If you are asking questions like that, then most Haitians would feel compelled to ask the very same question. As much as DR are saying to Haitians not to blame them for their misfortune which Haitians have not blamed DR, but who can say for a fact that DR has not been blaming Haiti and Haitians why they always engage in despairing and denigrate Haitians while Haitians illegal or not have contributed so much to DR's developments in both the Construction and Agricultural sector? You will never see this site post positive news about Haiti nor has they ever post news of great collaboration of good work DR and Haiti have tried to engage in. Most Dominicans find solace in reading negative news about Haiti when Haiti always uses DR for model when they are criticizing the Haitians government by saying "look how our next door neighbor is doing so well, why can't we try to do the same?" that is what I always hear in Haitian forum and never defamation of DR other than the norms of past.

and make it worse not some dominican well off but haitian that is equally well off. I spoke to the head of the group some older guy. We are from Tejas you know the united states like we were some dumb as dominicans/haitians that don't know our geography and speak broken english and marveled by the gringo coming to save the soul less third world people.. Sir with all do respect..you could've just said...oops I didn't know that the pool was empty rather you slip on a banana peel on the ledge of the pool again to an empty pool. We are adults sir..please not some third world children needing guidances..diabloooooo, esa vaina me pica.. shaking my head and saying to self.."are you serious"..po'ta bien 'tonces..

Since on the topic why isn't your country and other IC want to have us sign a marriage agreement when it is clearly that the divorce was final since 1844 and both have come to terms with it..although it took us haitians a while to figure that belkis was jaarrrta.. We just want to be haitians and dominicans want to be dominicans..alot of rayanos in between but for the most part we can say..the boundaries have been set.. explicame señor TejasBill..digame porque??????

NY4LIFE,

Dominicans main way to insult someone is to call that someone Haitian as though it is the worse thing to be or something. Just because you sense I favor Haiti more therefore I could not have been Dominican and automatically as typically done by many Dominicans dismissing that I am both Dominican and Haitian is all of a sudden a lie to you and your fellow Dominicans. I remember when you all used to call Cibaeno75 Haitians as though if he was it would have bene a bad thing or something. (That is the stigma Dominicans have created in Dominican society that furthermore caters to the Anti-Haitiasmo campaigns in DR).

You can go enraged all you wish there is no way you have seen in any debates that Haiti blames DR for their misfortune and all that have been discussed was the nature of which DR and Dominicans treat Haitians and the deep rooted resentments that exist in the hearts of both people on the Island.

Afrolatino...can you hear it..it's the violin...lalallalalalalaallalallalaal...you are crying a river sir. i see some deep rooted issues of being dominican-haitian...lol..all you guys have been lunatics..lol..think god Im not mix dominican haitian...so do you guys bicker with yourself about these affairs..I am more concerned of lunatic dominican haitian mix than just haitians and just dominicans..keep the tune playing...IC, OAS are on there way...lol..damn bro you hit an all time low bro..what happen dude..u were a prospect..oh well..next you be walking butt naked between the borders..sorry dude..im in a mood of jokes.. I c you ignore me bro..neg lakay..it's going to get better so you can reach internal peace..ok..

I will give you al list of Haitian forums and I want you to go on them and show me or the rest of Dominicans on here where once have Haiti blame DR for their misfortunes and where will you find negative headlines and defaming stories about DR on a Haitian website?

Truth of the matter is, you will not find much if not none as this site has engaged in their defaming campaigns against Haiti and then try to censor Haitians on here when they see condescending comments about Haiti. Such as how this site hardly ever delete the post of many certain members who clearly have used extreme derogatory terms, comments and remarks towards Haiti and Haitians. Where ever has been your outraged on that matter NY4LIFE? No one is ever Dominican enough for Dominicans unless it is a White European with money for Dominicans to leach off of.

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TexasBill, 30 Jul 2008 4:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic

On top of all that, there are posters on this blog who continually advance opinions about the descrimination which Haitians receive from Dominicans in the DR.
Doesn't anyone think that that selfsame descrimination is directed at Domnicans by Haitians in Haiti? It would be ludicrous to think otherwise by any clear thinker.
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In theory that is not impossible ...... Haitians discriminating against Dominicans ..... very unlikely either in DR or in Haiti.

AFrolatino this aint the usa..where laws prohibits people from expressing the true feelings..why not let the likes of Rubi express themselves..to me it just shows the morons and imbeciles that they are..doing there country a disservice..any respectful dominican would not be around these people..and are actually looked down upon while they think they are getting accepted by a greet..dude you are becoming a cry baby..man up soldier..attenTION!!!!!

www.PrevalHaiti.com go find anywhere on this forum where Haitians discriminate against Dominicans.

www.HaitianForum.com go find me a negative article about DR.

Lastly, conduct a "Google" search for any Haitian website base and show me where they have engaged negative campaigns as this site does or show me where Haitians actually talk so bad about Dominicans as much as Dominicans do about Haitians.

AfroLatino,

loco, sientate en el patio y tomate una fria. quitate de alli. Basically go sit in the backyard and have a cold beer..chill.....

==================================

Hay,

I don't think DR media just post problems about Haiti. (There have been news about Haiti that have not been negative on this site, just look at the archive) Like you stated before these things "negative" news are more of importance to DR due to immigration. What does Haiti post about DR? I'm sure most of it is not about the Metro, construction in Santo Domingo, it's probably the same subjects...border areas, repatriation, strikes, etc....Jabao, you have to understand that Haitian websites are not satisfying there English comrads. Posting in English has more of an impact than in French or Spanish due to the power the language has all over the world. The Haitians english dispora inclines to go to DR websites to see news from Haiti b/c there aren't many ones with updated news.

THey see the DR side of it, strikes in Haiti, repatriation issues, illegal immigration, if the news was in English from Haiti, they would see the same news but since its a DR website in English portraying news that they can't find on English speaking Hatiians sites...It's viewed as negatively biased.

JH, Et Al;
I won't even consider giving credit to your meandering statements.
They appear to be the uttering of a very disgruntled individual who thinks everyone should hold his opinion as gospel.
Sorry, pal, but I think for myself, not for others who march to a different drummer.

TB

AntonioJ,

I disagree that Haitians don't discrimminate against Dominicans...

NY4life..what the hell are you talking about..this is you american dominican talking..english more powerful..hmmm interesting to know which side you lean on..english is for business only man..nothing more...I dont think hard core dominicans from the island would agree and might get on you for saying that..

Antonioj,

I have to disagree as well..I confess I've discriminated against dominicans..not in a mean way but was tired of lack of performance and hired a neg lakay to get some stuff done..is that discrimination.. Ny4life, actually alot of dominicans are illegal in haiti but no way similar to haitians in the DR but none face any problems in the neighbourhood while some haitians might get a nasty look or oops i dont rent to haitians..

Afro you need a breather, I sympathize with you, please stop playing the victim. Do you want to join the league of Rubi and ark ? be objective and more responsibles.

Jabao,

Exactly English is the language of business which is most used to conduct business= more power. The world runs on English. That's my point.

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Written by: ny4life, 30 Jul 2008 4:52 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
AntonioJ,

I disagree that Haitians don't discrimminate against Dominicans...
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OK guys I am taking it back, I am wrong

This must be the most commented thread for a day, did we beat any record, ? how does that stand in term of revenue for DT, high traffic is good for advertisement.

"Who may concern"

I'm extremely happy that somebody like Mr. TexasBill (neither Haitian or Dominican) can tell who is making things up in order to gain an edge for their hidden agenda.

Sorry to adress to the Haitians in this website but You guys will continue to be a bunch of childish and unmature people that Will never grow up as civilized people.

Antonioj:

I will take Your biased comments in a professional way since You always brag about my grammar and else.

On the other side You as man must accept Your lack of common sense on accepting Your people lack of will in improving living standards and going the extra mile to improve Your country scenario.

Why isnt most of the army there already? I mean really the biggest threat to Dominican sovereingty right now is the gradual invasion of Dominian territory by illegal Hatians. Isnt the Armys job to protect Dominican sovereingty and last time I checked DR had one of the largest armies in the caribbean so its not like there streched or something. Those damn generals need to stop wasting money riding around in their SUVs and do their job. The problem in DR is lack of honest leadership, the country is moving in the right dirrection but its stil a long ways off. When public servants are held accountable for their actions isntead of for what party they voted for then that will be the day when we can relax and know the Republic is strong.

JRRubirosa, 30 Jul 2008 7:30 PM
From: United States
"Who may concern"

I will take Your biased comments in a professional way since You always brag about my grammar and else.

On the other side You as man must accept Your lack of common sense on accepting Your people lack of will in improving living standards and going the extra mile to improve Your country scenario.
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Rubi, I can not disagree with you on this, you have said it many times. Ahora k bola somos o no somos t'a te kieta. We may disagree on many things,.. that is ok, peace out.

Your grammar is fine, it's your structure that need to be improved on, I do have that same issue as well, do not worry about it, I never failed to get the gist of your message.

Sorry, If I was a little piss out at you man, must be the pressure of my coming trip.

JH;
If you would READ some of the DR1 reports of late, you will find that it IS NOT the disgruntled ex-soldiers who are protesting along theborder at Dajabon. It is Haitians protesting about the increased security measures being taken by thedominican military in as effort to stem the tide of all the ILLEGAL HAITIANS attempting to enter tne DR.
READ IT AND WEEP. Just quit whining about it and face facts. Dominicans DON'T WANT HAITIANS IN THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC.
That isn't my idea at all, but that of all the Dominicans that I speak with on a DAILY BASIS.
I've lived here for 8 years and that is what I have heard everyday since arriving.
I ain't the"horse's mouth", but I can hear what that horse says.
Where do YOU LIVE? Surely NOT in the DR, 'cause if you did, you'd have heard the same thing as me.
Now, why don't you go to your church and PREACH TO THE CHOIR?

TB

Sir TexasBill, all other sources are informing that the protest is due to the "Fad'H" that what to end the kidnapping spree which has been decreasing, btw and establish security. I guess the Cali Cartel didn't drop off shipment for a while and they are running out of money and upset the CESFRONT is making all the money via macuteo. It seemed I hit a nerve sir although you do have made the only valid sustainable comment with your latest post. I know it's hard to admit an error sir but c'mon. Dont tell me what dominicans want and think. I think I am aware of their sentiments rather I'm concern about yours. Instead a simple apology would've sealed it just like how DT edited this article. Thank you sir for you input. Why not explain why your country is trying to force us to unite and telling a foreign country what to do about there immigration policies? Appreciate your insight your 8 years of living here makes you an expertise on haitian/dominican affair.

TexasBill your input is much apreciated your exposition is clear and factual. You got to understand the psyche of the haitian people, the light skin blacks like Jabaohaitian dislike or hate the dark african-haitians which compose 98% of their population. The haitian goverment is inept while the tiny elite class made up of Arabs exploit haitians for their labor, and dont invest in the developement of Haiti. While the tax base in Haiti is very small, the goverment fills it's own pocket with money while giving little to the developement of Haiti. You got to understand the legacy of the small mulatto class versus the majority black population, and the racial divide that has permeated Haiti since it's inception. This is why i always tell people that history is important. Societies dont evolve as fast as people think what happened in the past does matter, and the future always mirrors the past. http://www.binghamton.edu/fbc/dupuy.pdf

And this is from a DomYork that doesn't know anything about his own country and probably would've never went to school if he didn't make it to the USA. This is from a dom york that think he is spanish descent while his poor grammar and incorrect use of the richful castellano language looks like a dialect. I dont think TB needs information from a dominican that doesn't know the difference from a colegio/liceo. You know haiti so well. Listen please don't talk things you have no idea about. Learn the mechanism of your country first and then learn the mechanism of my country. Again in your own country you have no input in how things are run. Wave your dominican flag in central park dominican parade and visit every two years. Stop reading wikipedia and making assumptions. Arabs running haiti..lol..is this spigger for real..can i say that..this isn't usa based so it's ok right.. this guy gets his info from the NGO's and OAS that wants to unite the two countries. Cobarde..

JH;
Your unsubstantiated comment about the USA trying to foment a "marriage" between the DR and Haiti is ludicrous, even on the surface.
As to your statement advising me to apologize, that too, is ludicrous.
You will find that I will only apoligize when I recognize that a statement I have made is incorrect. Thus far I have not seen anything on these pages which would indicate such.
I read this, and other periodicals, both foreign and domestic, on a daily basis andhave yet to see any reports that will support your premise of international colusion on thepart of any government defining your imagined premise of a "marriage" between the DR and your beloved Haiti.
In other words, SIR, you are spreading propaganda which is PRIMA FACIA false and unfounded.
We both know that ANY "marriage" between the DR and Haiti is both unworkable and impossible, given the disparagement between their individual societies, their mores and customs.

TB

Jabaohaitian The only people that want to unify the island are haitians. But the Dominican Republic will never want such a merger, it will mean retrogression and self destruction.

TB, thank you for comments and I respect your stance. I agree with your post whole heartedly. Now only if dom yorks would get it thru their brain that Haitians don't want to unite the country no more than dominicans on the island doesn't want to. Arkatype when you first came to usa and lived in a tight apartment on the 50th floor you thought it was paradise coming from that that little room with a toll as a roof. Dude what makes you think you can defame my country and know nothing about it? I would respect you if you had a backbone but you prefer to piggy back everyone rather than stand firm. Please get your complex and demented mind fix. AFter all everything is free in the USA. Free school, lunch, and housing. Guys got it so good and still complaining but the illegal haitian that comes to DR makes it off his/her own sweat. I see you as nothing but a poor ignorant illiterate dominican that got lucky and made it to the USA rather than uplifting you brain you still think backwards

Jabaohaitian you dont know me!!!!! how do you come up with such a stupid assertion, the only thing that you know about me is my screen name. And again you fit the profile of your failed society namely Haiti, where the black masses are seen as dirt by light skin blacks like yourself. May i ask you why you think of yourself as so high and mighty and look at others with indifference. You must have alot of free time despite the fact that you make yourself look like a Donald Trump? LOL.....

Oh what's the matter I hurt you feelings. Listen Im far from donald trump and not an elite in my country but have been blessed to have been born to a family that had provided me the norm. I don't need to know you and quite frankly dont care for the likes of you. Now Im making assumptions after you've constantly made remarks about my countrymen. GEt off my d@@k about this light skin thing. Only dumb dominicans that have nothing of there own try to feel superior because they maybe be lighter than there darker compatriots. Even your comments are cobarde and always throwing the white flag when convenient. What a punk? Dude, I guess you are from the dominicans that just wanted to travel to USA and decided to stay because of political reasons. Face it man you are a dumb poor dominican in the USA that needs to pray to God your not back in your country where you would be shining shoes are running on a motoconcho playing dominos waiting for that ticket out. Be thankful. Coward.Bless day

You havent hurt my feelings not even by a long stretch, so keep on posting trash that you cant back up! Mr. Mumbles your likes are easy to debunk your words don't provide enough sting to change reality, The truth really hurts Jabao!

I can imagine how delighted when mami brought you over. Ya llegamo mijo. ete apaltamento tenemo que compartirlo con la familia de Doña Milagro. Te va acostal en la calperta en eta equina. Mami todo ete epacio e' mio.. Si mijo calmate, mañana pol la mañana te boy a inscribir en la ecuela. Sabes que tu no a ido a ecuela en santo domingo. Ete pai' nos ofrece mucho mas que ete infierno que no' dejamo atra'. Mijo ay mucha comida en la nebera. Mami tenemo' nebera..wow..ete pais e tan desarrollao... Mijo eto no e' na'..tenemo' agua potable y fijate e'to..ademas, agua caliente.. Diablooo,,que mijo..pol favol no usa eta palabra..lo hipano aqui hablan un epañol ma' fino..You remember those days..going by memory lane..now your so proud dominican..talking disparates online..thinking your count..

Jabaohaitian you represent the illegal haitian mind set here in the Dominican Republic. You can see clearly by their pure african look, like if they had stepped out of the slave ship into Cap Haitien. And you ask them are you Haitiano and they say no! with their broken heavy creolese lingo, they think that they are dominican. It reminds me of you, a wannabe dominicano. Here in Santiago we laugh are asses off, at haitians like you LOL!!!!!

Arkatype..me thinks you're saying Diablo.como el sabe la velda'. Sure your from Santiago..please you are from some campo on the outskirts. I know you feel saying african things is a curse let's not bring out your dark skin cousins are that tia that ur family call la haitiana....lol.. YOu represent the worst of your society and despite years of being in teh most developed country that literally give immigrants that come from the lowest strata in your society a chance you still think like an illiterate dominican. Can't make burros do new tricks. Mami e' americana ahora pero no entiende ni papa en ingle'..but goes back home..calling you out in ingles..arcatype..come jear..wi goin tu brin tia haitiana some regalos..you trying to be extra dominican..ok mami ta bien..etoi lito..meanwhile your cousins looking at you like why does he speak spanish so damn bad while we are trying to improve ours.

You are so stuck in race. I hope one day that you call a prieto dominicano tiguere "un haitiano" so he can rearranged your face b4 you take that flight on AA back to the states. Like a said grow a backbone at least like Rubi who at least has one. Cobarde..im sure you wont say that to any haitians in the states since you know they'll make your round nose even flatter than it is..your european attributes..I have never encountered a coward such as you on here. You are a funny spigger.

Jabaohaitian are you so ashamed to be haitian! I can understand your self loathing the history of Haiti is one misery after another all based on racial strife. The only "Burros" come from your side of the border, that's including you a wannabe dominicano!

haitian soldiers trying to topple a governement ! what is new about it?
this is the sad history of haiti.
the only diffence now , the soldiers have cell phones ,laptops ,and they can access the internet ha ! ha! ha! ha !
these sadistic clowns make you want to laugh.

Again Jabaohaitian you swear your dominicano! i feel so sorry so sorry for you.

Jabao, now i know why i missed you during your absence. you make comments that only you can make. your style is inimitable. who the hell else would think of saying ¨¨ see if he doesn´t beat you down and take your barrio santiaguera from you on his motoconcho¨.

Dreadlocks. what's up? Yeah, it's been a long time since I've written about the dominican diaspora from the lower strata way of life and thinking. Funny thing is he's so high on a pile sh%&. that he doesn't realise he's a laughing stock and the barrio santiaguera he comes down here to show off for knows that. All they have is the haitian card to feel good about the small position in the world they play. I really dont like this guy and feel like caving his chest in at least I know Rubi would fight back this coward would run. I would love to see him say that to a dark skin dominican though..can you imagine the beat down and him yelling ayudame el haitiano m'esta matando while others look on wondering why this tiguere dominicano is beating up on a dom yol..lol.. He can get himself killed down here if he said that to a dominican prieto and lose his barrio girl.

Arkatype really takes the cake on this one. I actually prefer listening to the rants of Rubirosa..at least he's oddly amusing in his rhetoric. Arkatype seems to really believe he knows about Haiti's social history and how life in Haiti is today and judging from his past posts, he doesn't seem to know enough about his own country. What an ass. "Haitians want to unify with the DR" What is this guy getting at? Both countries would rather stay separate and sovereign. Arkatype you're embarrassing yourself so stop your nonsensical interpretation of Haiti: the country you know nothing about.

in the first place, Jabao, i blame you for this. why is an intelligent person such as yourself expending energy on arcatype? are you expecting any kind of sane response? all you need to do is to look at some of the insights he has regaled us with in the past, and you will realise you are up against a lost cause. i once asked him a simple case regarding the availability of emergency response teams, such as fire, medical and hospital services, in the areas that are sprouting like weeds everywhere. instead of providing me with simple factual answers, he decided to resort to insults. what can you do with such people?

stop picking on Archie he is a patriot

Goulet my man, you get it after all!

Where is Rubi and the reinforcements ? Circle the wagons

GC, you are such kidder instigating this coward to say something. Archatype is a coward typing things about Haiti he doesn't even know and suffer from an inferior complex where he thinks saying anything relating to africa is negative. It just to show the third world mind set of a dominican in the USA. I am sure he still throws garbage on the floor and blast music on max all day and night. These spiggers are raised in immigrant enclaves and haven't got oustide their circles too much. Rubi is a lunatic too but I like the guy for some reason as long as if he's on his meds but this one is a punk coward would run if confronted. Would never call someone out rather hide behind his girlfriend(barrio chicas have more heart then him). She takes your money and pay right? Punk. I would cave your chest in. If you are so patriotic go back and live in your country to expulse the Haitians out. Dread I am to blame but these people are seres animales and you must hit them with a stick for a reality

Jabaohaitian you swear your dominicano! Poor internet gangster el "HAITIANO" privando en dominicano que pena me da el Pariguayaso Ese.....

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gouletcolonial, 31 Jul 2008 2:52 PM
From: Canada
stop picking on Archie he is a patriot
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I thought Archie bunker was dead, you got to love Dominicans, I have a business proposal open a 24 hours radio talk show in Santo Domingo and discuss only baseball and Haitians.

antonioj, i think you are on to something there. only problem is that the country would go bankrupt in the first month, because nobody would leave the radio behind to do any work.

you will be swamped with investors antonioj

is that a pitch ,Goulet? you have a nose for business ventures, i can tell.

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dreadlocks, 1 Aug 2008 4:10 PM
From: United States
is that a pitch ,Goulet? you have a nose for business ventures, i can tell.
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Dread are you being sarcastic? Did you say "nose" ?

actually, antonio, there is no inner meaning of any kind in my posting. Goulet is a successful, insightful businessman who knows his craft well. if he likes the proposal, i am sure it has potential. that is why i remarked that he has a nose for business, and, as we speak, might be considering partnership with you! if you can abide his repetitive brain farts, you could be on to something big.

So, now, this blog has gone down the drain in aspree of "name-calling', slanderous remarks, and generally stupid reflections of one's arrogance.
I don't know about the rest of you, but my interpretation is that we have reached the limit of non-animalistic discussion with this subject.
I'm "outa' here".

TB

"dreadlocks, 1 Aug 2008 4:32 PM
From: United States
actually, antonio, there is no inner meaning of any kind in my posting. Goulet is a successful, insightful businessman who knows his craft well. if he likes the proposal, i am sure it has potential. that is why i remarked that he has a nose for business, and, as we speak, might be considering partnership with you! if you can abide his repetitive brain farts, you could be on to something big.
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You are killing me, I am cracking up...... have you ever consider stand up, this is good.. I am crying, laughing out loud (gracioso)

Now let me wait for Glout , there is aJapanese saying that go like this "dont ask for what you want because you may just get it"

now, antonioj, i am not sure whether you are serious or what. i am befuddled. how easily you have inflicted confusion upon me. the only thing i am assured about is that you should not wish for Goulet, as you just might get him. that will be the classic case of dog chasing bus. what does he do when the bus stops?

antonioj you live in oakville thats a nice neighborhood I am from Cabbage Town when it was the largest Anglo Saxon slum in North America.....Parliament and Gerrard in the 60s

was that the 1860s, GC?

It seems so long ago I am not sure anymore...