SANTO DOMINGO. - President Leonel Fernandez today reiterated the Government’s commitment to apply all measures required to prevent the production, distribution, traffic and consumption of illicit drugs in the country.
In his speech to inaugurate a third term in office, Fernandez affirmed that the recent acts of violence in the country have caused great concerned and constitute a voice of alarm that under no circumstance there can be no letup in the war on drugs and crime.
He also announced the construction of a second line of the Santo Domingo Metro (subway), and a freight and passenger train from the Port at Haina to the city Santiago, around 100 miles north of the capital, as part of an ambitious program of infrastructure of roadways, buildings and dams.
Speaking in the presence of around 10 heads of State and Government, lawmakers, officials and diplomats, Fernandez called on political forces and the different national sectors to participate in a "permanent social dialogue," to reform the Constitution and the electoral system and to create a Law on political parties.
While the trailing edge of Tropical Storm Fay dumped heavy rains outside the Congress, the chief executive said the country has managed to overcome the adversities and difficulties in which he found it in 2004 and which placed the population’s stability, progress and well-being at risk.
Written by: juanb, 16 Aug 2008 4:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Sadly, I used to believe this guy.
Written by: jmzlp12, 16 Aug 2008 4:24 PM
From: United States, Larchmont
It really bothers me how Dominicans tend to forget how the DR was back in 2000-2004 with Hipolito. OK Leonel is not the best president out there, but he did pull the DR out of its economical deterioration and I think that Dominicans want him to magically solve the problems of the country. I am glad that Leonel got another term; I hope that Danilo becomes the next president, and I hope that we never again have a farmer as are president.
Written by: juanb, 16 Aug 2008 4:44 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Mejia was a disaster and only someone like Leonel could have pulled us out of the crisis that we were left with. He got my vote. That being said however, let's talk about what he hasn't done. He has done nothing to improve the level of education, he allows rampant corruption in all facets of government, and the crime grows daily. If only he would risk offending his party members, the sindicalistas, and the "elite" his place in history as one of the greatest leaders of our pais would be assured. Without a strong effort we will continue to slide backwards.
Written by: josean, 16 Aug 2008 5:25 PM
From: United States
Written by: Jander, 16 Aug 2008 5:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Well lets hope the pre-inaugural honeymoon is over and he gets his behind to work.
He needs to stay home for awhile and take a look at what is going on.
I suggest rather then speeding through the city with his caravan and entourage he slows down a bit.
If not he will just be another "promise everything' and do nothing glory seeker.
From: United States
thanks for the link, Josean. of course, we will soon be hearing that listin diario has it in for Leonel. by the way, did he mention any plans for education, or is he content to leave us repetitively testing at the bottom in international criteria?
From: United States
OK lets go over his track record.
Metro is still not running.
Electricity still not available 24 hours a day 7 days a week.
An incompetent police department.
Corruption all the way up to the presidents office.
Now does anyone beleive he can fight crime?
From: United States
Is that HIS "track record" or just the way things have always been in the DR? Electricity has always been a problem. The police have always been incompetent. Corruption has always been rife. So why blame President Fernandez?
From: United States
why, Jim, whatever do you mean when you say that the Metro is not yet running? did we not see it cavorting around., bursting with party supporters, immediately before the election?
From: United States
Hey man .. you gotta understand something .. this country is NOT the US .. just because the US invaded the island TWICE does not make it like the US .. it is different down here .. things happen slowly or not at all. It's a different culture. A different world. Most Dominicans are used to these kinds of crisies. The ones that cannot take it .. they hop into a Yola and attempt the Mona crossing. They are tough people. They have a different outlook on life. On death. On love. On everything. They have seen worse. So it's no big deal buddy.
From: United States
What I don't understand is how we re-elected those two swaggering buffoons .. Bush-Cheney .. into the White House. What must have possessed us? Here's a partial snippet of their track record? Falling asleep at the wheel and allowing Al Qaeda to attack AMERICAN CITIZENS in THEIR OWN COUNTRY? Killing thousands of young American SOLDIERS in Iraq to satisfy their PERSONAL EGO? A RECKLESS foreign policy and MILITARISM that has seriously strained relations with OUR ALLIES around the world? A budget deficit in the HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of dollars? A national debt in the TRILLIONS of dollars? Massive UNEMPLOYMENT as US CORPORATIONS moved overseas? Double-digit INFLATION? So you see .. you could be DUMB AS FORREST GUMP and STILL REMAIN PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES. Only in AMERICA.
Written by: juliony, 16 Aug 2008 6:31 PM
From: United States, New YOrk
The people blame the problem with the bank to Mejia, but who was in office before Mejia. The situation with the bank took the country into the worst economy ever seen in the Dominican Republic.
Best of luck to Leonel in his 3rd term.
Y yo seguire a Caballo
From: United States
To GhouliiishColon,
Check your history books the US never invaded the DR. I expect Belial to be that stupib but not you.
From: United States
The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (USA) INVADED and OCCUPIED the DOMINICAN REPUBLIC (DR) TWICE. In 1916 and 1965. The latter INVASION took place on April 28, 1965 and was code named OPERATION POWER PACK. YOU better check YOUR history books. If you can read at all. That puts you in the same category as the Son of Karl. Clueless and Ignorant. That will be part of your TRACK RECORD.
From: United States
I have come across your types. The ones that DENY the HOLOCAUST ever happened. You have your head buried deep in embarassing places. What a loser.
From: United States
Still checking on Google? Next time do your homework before you say something THAT STUPID. OK? Everybody is reading your IGNORANCE. What do you have to say for yourself?
From: United States
So who landed the Marines and elements of the Army's 82nd Airborne Division on DOMINICAN soil on APRIL 28, 1965? CHINA? RUSSIA? CANADA? SWEDEN? DENMARK? ITALY? VENEZUELA? CUBA? BARBADOS? BRAZIL? MARTIANS?
From: United States
Feeling faint all of a sudden? Would you now like to take me up on my Bush-Cheney observations? Are you related to those two? I see an amazing SIMILARITY. Are you sure you guys are not perhaps DISTANTLY linked?
From: United States
Next time .. when you feel that inexorable pang of IGNORANCE sweeping over your brain .. try "GOOGLING" the issue BEFORE opening yourself up to the kind of SAVAGE PUBLIC EVISCERATION and HUMILIATION you just SUFFERED. This will HURT BAD for days to come. Take a PILL. You will SURVIVE. Just do your HOMEWORK. OK? Try improving your TRACK RECORD.
From: United States
GhouliiishColon, 16 Aug 2008 6:13 PM
Most Dominicans are used to these kinds of crisies. The ones that cannot take it .. they hop into a Yola and attempt the Mona crossing. They are tough people. They have a different outlook on life
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So, would it be safe to say that someone who jumps off a bridge and commits suicide is Brave?
Think not my young Padawan. There are better words for these people.
Brave he/she are not I say. Now, commandeering the presidential palace and whacking a few corrupt senators, then brave he/she is.
Brave would be those who remain, place all at risk and break the imperial grip of corruption on the Republic by any means necessary.
So, my young Padawan, to change the current state of our beleaguered Republic, it will take much courage and strength. I hasten to say, these are elements which are none existent.
The Force is not with us.
From: United States
I am neither young .. nor a "Padawan" .. It all depends on how you look at it. Both groups can be considered "brave". Those that remain behind and suffer are brave. Those that attempt the dangerous Mona crossing are also brave.
From: United States
The political world is best describe by -- " HOW TO SAY NOTHING WITH A WHOLE LOT OF BUNCH OF WORDS ". Everyone should become an expert at this, for sure no one will be called a lier and for that matter at best be rewarded the trophy for the best collector of empty words. Year after year people can still come out and vote for the best clown that has promised them with the same words they used to suave one another and for showing their latest fashion. In D.R. no one is correpted, they just from time to time forget to paid the other guy who gets mad and starts to collect their words - or is it their heads. Then again some people are invincible even while living in the same bethroom. Education = money so leave it alone cause they got the money already. Give me my Metro and get out of my business. The fight now is " DRUG " where there is lots of money that I want in my pocket, so lets get them the AMERICAN WAY - - NOT THE DOMINICAN WAY --- as long as you give us MONEY .........
From: United States
Goulish perhaps you can translate?
From: United States
Too tough even for ME .. it's like Scottish bag pipe music played backwards .. he sure is using a lot of words .. perhaps he is trying to SAY NOTHING WITH A WHOLE LOT OF BUNCH OF WORDS.
From: United States
Hey Dreadlocks,/ How dare you to make any coments abot Dominican Rep. aren t you an Hatian Nationals? you should be trying to improve.........if any one can your Derangggeeed nation....AYITI.
Written by: ABR23, 16 Aug 2008 11:53 PM
From: Puerto Rico
In April 1965, there was a civil war that broke out, between Dominicans. The war was not started by the USA (directly) . The peace keeping force was sent in by the Organization of American States. Brazilian general was the cmdr.
Written by: jonbonz, 17 Aug 2008 12:23 AM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo part time afghanistan the rest
Written by: jonbonz, 17 Aug 2008 12:24 AM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo part time afghanistan the rest
Written by: jonbonz, 17 Aug 2008 12:28 AM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo part time afghanistan the rest
1903 Dominican Republic Marines land in Santo Domingo.
1914 Dominican Republic Naval forces engage in battles in the city of Santo Domingo
1916-1924 Dominican Republic Military intervention leading to 8-year occupation.
1965 Dominican Republic 23,000 troops land.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/history/interventions.htmFrom: United States
well it looks like idiots like goulish colon can side step the issues with their big mouths.
He forgot that we are commenting on the issue at hand and has no clue other than hearing himself write. Belial is the same type of idiot a lot of noise and no bite.
Interpretations of history to suit himself.
the comments here are based on a topic that the media posted and of go goulishcolon and belial on their own agenda to review everything but what is actually at hand.
Idiots in the first degree.
From: United States
I see you like PAIN. Welcome back to more of the same today. You will learn a few things while getting your head bashed in over and over. Sometimes that is the only way for MORONS to learn.
From: United States
Next time you try widening that OBNOXIOUS MOUTH of yours and bashing LEADERS in other COUNTRIES .. take a LONG and HARD look at YOUR OWN LEADERS .. Bush-Cheney. Look at what the MESS they have made of the US and the ENTIRE WORLD. Do that before you LOSE CONTROL of that PUNY LITTLE BRAIN.
From: United States
I doubt if you have even a REMOTE CLUE of what is happening in YOUR OWN COUNTRY. Let alone the DR. You are truly one BIG EMBARASSMENT to YOUR OWN COUNTRY. Mister Clueless.
From: United States
"Electricity still not available 24 hours a day 7 days a week." says the IGNORAMUS. Hardly true. Electricity has been interrupted for up to 8 hours a day in most cases. But it not being available ALL DAY? .. ALL WEEK? .. now that is ONE BIG LIE. Have you ever been to the DR? What the heck are you talking about? Your turn is next. How long do you think Arab oil or any kind of oil will last? My home state of California has rolling blackouts EVERY SUMMER. Yours is NEXT.
From: United States
"An incompetent police department" says the IDIOT. Do you know what policemen earn in the DR? You would not even get out of bed in the morning for that kind of cash. It is a miracle we have policemen working .. period. You are a real FOOL.
From: United States
"Corruption all the way up to the presidents office". You think that is unique to the DR? Look at the US? Our PRESIDENT gets elected by votes that are BOUGHT by BIG CORPORATIONS. We The People are MEANINGLESS. You FOOL.
From: United States
Goulishcolon No brains with you what so ever.
Even the capatial has no power for hours on end.
Santiago has no power for days at times.
Let alone the small communities.
You allow Teflon Fernadez and Diandino Pena to rob you blind with construction projects that never work such as the Metro and they are adding a second line that won't work as well.
So stop being an idiot and allow people to state their comments without harrasement to the journal articles.
From: United States
When you take a job such as a police officer with a known salary then this is no excuse to be incompetent or corrupt.
From: United States
"Now does anyone beleive he can fight crime?" says the BRAINLESS TWIT. What about BUSH-CHENEY? They are barely able to stop 3% of the NARCOTICS coming into the US. It is KILLING OUR CHILDREN and contributing to RAMPANT CRIME in the streets of AMERICA. Do you still want to believe Bush-Cheney are fighting CRIME? Two BIG WAR CRIMINALS trying to "FIGHT CRIME"? That is HILARIOUS. So how do you like me STAYING ON TOPIC? You still want me to STAY ON TOPIC?
From: United States
HARASSMENT? "allow people to state their comments"? You think I am stopping you from posting your RUBBISH? Are you on something buddy? Some kind of hallucinogenic? You call this HARASSMENT? Now you are starting to HUMOR me.
From: United States
It was first "Electricity still not available 24 hours a day 7 days a week". And now "Even the capatial has no power for hours on end" .. says the APOLOGETIC LIAR. So which one is it? ALL DAY .. ALL WEEK .. OR HOURS ON END?
From: United States
I am going for DESAYUNO.. don't leave .. I will be back after breakfast and we can continue with our little chat. OK? .. dont' leave.
From: United States
carbelk, had i not known full well that you are an unevolved bacterial species, i would spend some of my time replying to you. the sad thing about democracy is that even the entirely brainless ,such as yourself, get their opportunities to be heard, much to the annoyance of others. when you have successfully completed a kindergarten school program, i will resume my little conversation with you. i am merely trying to save you from yourself, because, left to your own devices, you confirm the assertion that there is no limit to human stupidity.
From: United States
I recommend KINDERGARTEN for the other MICROSCOPIC PATHOGEN crawling around on this blog. He should try fixing his OWN COUNTRY first before asking DOMINICANS to fix theirs. Vote for a REAL PRESIDENT and VEEP next time around OK? Check out their TRACK RECORDS before your next ZOMBIE MARCH to the BALLOT BOX. It will spare the ENTIRE WORLD a lot of PAIN and EMBARASSMENT. What a MORON.
From: United States
goulish colon, I beleive english is not your first language.
When I stated that electricity is not available 24/7 anywhere in the DR then that is the truth.
You with your lack of brain interpret that no electricity is available at all which is further from the truth, my statement is correct as anyone that is familiar with the DR knows eletricity is not available 24/7
As for police lack of salary that is no excuse for not doing your job and being corrupt.
Written by: ABR23, 17 Aug 2008 10:13 AM
From: Puerto Rico
Harrington is closer to reality.
The drug problem in the USA and the power problem in DR. There is no solution, it will always be bad, and at times, worse than that.
So in January, with Bush and Cheney gone. All will be good again in the world. The RD TODAY forum should be void of 90% of the bully pulpit preaching.
WIZARD OF OZ, explains it all.
The Great Wizard has spoken "PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN(computer)".
We are not in Santiago anymore Toto!.
SCARECROW: I am a failure because I have not a brain.
Dorothy: Well what would you do with a brain if you had one?
Scarecrow:
I would while away the hours - with my computer powers - bitchin about the train (metro)
My head i'd be scratchin - with the bull I would be hatchin - if he only had a brain.
I would post more than the others - no matter who it bothers - the forum I would reign
with the thoughts I'd be thinkin - they may think I'm Mr. Lincoln - if I only had a brain
From: United States
"I beleive english" .. "beleive" .. how could "English" be even your LAST language .. you CANNOT SPELL .. back to KINDERGARTEN for you ..
From: United States
We sent you to school .. taught you to read .. taught you to write .. and what did you do? .. YOU ATE THE TEACHER!!
From: United States
"capatial" .. as in Das capatial? .. as in capatial as a factor of production? .. OH .. OK ..I think I might know what you are talking about Mr. English Challenged. Where did you learn "English"? In Siberia?
From: United States
OK Genius .. you got the job .. an officer with Policia Nacional .. your starting pay is 3000 pesos per month. Start by getting yourself a cheap room in one of the slums. Capotillo? La Cienega? 27 De Febrero? Maria Auxilladora? Pick your choice. Forget about the cost of living. You don't even want to know what it costs to live in Santo Domingo.
Written by: Jander, 17 Aug 2008 10:38 AM
From: Dominican Republic
BTW the US is the best country in the World even on a bad day. Bush doesn't run our country we do. Don't forget that and we will crush anyone who trys to mess with our freedom.
We do like to experiment though ,and see how well our weapons work ,be careful , those precision bombs weren't as precise as we had hoped, maybe next time..
Peace and Love !
From: United States
Yes .. you just like to mess with other people's FREEDOM .. it seemed that you were one of the test subjects for those "precision bombs" .. one of them ACCIDENTLY landed right on YOUR HEAD. OOPS .. COLLATERAL DAMAGE .. sorry. Here's a few dollars for INTENSIVE BRAIN SURGERY. No wonder you keep babbling all this STINKING GIBBERISH.
From: United States
OK .. Bush does not run your country .. so it's YOU then who worked up that $482 BILLION BUDGET DEFICIT .. that goes to show how INCOMPETENT YOU ARE. You are not running ANYTHING. NADA.
From: United States
So it is YOU that is RESPONSIBLE for the poor rate of NARCOTICS INTERDICTION? Why can't you do better than STOPPING 3% of the NARCOTICS coming in to KILL OUR KIDS? Is that because YOU are INCOMPETENT?
From: United States
Jander, 17 Aug 2008 10:38 AM
"BTW the US is the best country in the World even on a bad day. Bush doesn't run our country we do. Don't forget that and we will crush anyone who trys to mess with our freedom."
Need to stop reading Middle School and High Schools Civic/History books.
Get informed and be informed.
From: United States
These IDIOTS don't even realize that the DR was INVADED and OCCUPIED by the US. Yes .. they have NO CLUE. Here .. read what one of the MORONS wrote:
Written by: JimHarrington, 16 Aug 2008 8:04 PM
From: United States
To GhouliiishColon,
Check your history books the US never invaded the DR. I expect Belial to be that stupib but not you.
From: United States
He could have at least tried to keep his ABJECT IGNORANCE to HIMSELF. Instead .. he was STUPID ENOUGH to broadcast it right here on DT. This ILLITERATE FOOL even had the nerve to suggest "Check your history books". You FOOL.
From: United States
Ghoulish, it is still early in the day. you have to understand that some of these posters have to give their brains time to warm up. their bodies, and whatever vestigial intellect thay have, do not arise simultaneously. at eleven o clock in the morning, they are basically on auto pilot.
From: United States
ladronaso, anyone who posts such ignorance will have to stop reading kindergarten civics books.
middle school and high school is a little optimistic in this case, don't you think?
Written by: ABR23, 17 Aug 2008 12:46 PM
From: Puerto Rico
Of course, most all of AFRICA is not predominently white. Their demographics have grown quickly and of course, we can see how they are an example of Democracy, Peace and who work for the greater good of Man.
Keep firing guys, the mighty Bismark, is listing and rudderless, going in circles firing it's mighty guns but only to make noise.
Written by: Trujillo, 17 Aug 2008 12:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic
So now the Metro "never worked"? It's supposed to start working in November 2008 and we're still in August 2008. Anyway, Colon, all the greatest inventions in the world were created by those "racist neo-nazi morons" as you call them, or non-blacks. Even the internet believe or not. Yup, I'm the racist now, what a surprise.
From: United States
Mister .. nobody invents anything from scratch .. they build on the knowlege of those that came before them .. the Chinese supposedly "invented" gun powder .. and the Europeans built on that knowledge to "invent" TNT, PLASTIQUE and many other things that go BOOM .. so let's not get too carried away with this OK?
From: United States
You need to read up on the HISTORY OF SCIENCE .. then come back here and try talking a little more sense. OK?
Written by: Trujillo, 17 Aug 2008 1:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic
So the black chinese invented gun powder.
From: United States
Trujillo, let me give you a little sociology lesson. i take no credit away from the inventions that caucasians have given to the world. but, in the interest of your self respect, if you have any, please do a google search on black inventions before you make any kind of assertions which will add you to the formidable pantheon of ignoramuses in this forum. there are many developments ,such as open heart surgery, which were credited to white people, because of the racism of the day in which they were accomplished. so, do not wander through life deluded that people of african descent never invented anything. we would not want you to be embarrassed by revealing colossal ignorance, would we?
Written by: Trujillo, 17 Aug 2008 1:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic
haha, try again.
Written by: Trujillo, 17 Aug 2008 1:13 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I'll have to go to sub-saharan Africa on a "knowledge" quest. Thank you guys.
Written by: Trujillo, 17 Aug 2008 1:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I'll have to go to sub-saharan Africa on a "knowledge" quest. Thank you guys.
From: United States
trujillo, you remind me of the cretins who say that Columbus " discovered" the new world. hell, there were people living there before he got there. next time you have the urge to sport a Lamborghini, why don't you go to the dealership and " discover" one?
From: United States
While in Sub-Saharan Africa .. try Tanzania .. where I spent a number of years as a US Peace Corps teacher .. it might change your PERCEPTIONS of AFRICA. I taught CALCULUS and ANALYTIC GEOMETRY to students in their FIRST YEAR of HIGH SCHOOL. By the time they completed HIGH SCHOOL students could solve DIFFERENTIAL EQUATIONS in SEVERAL VARIABLES .. understood the BASICS of INTEGRAL CALCULUS including NUMERICAL INTEGRATION by SIMPSON'S RULE, LAGRANGE and RUNGE-KUTTA. It's the BRITISH SYSTEM .. which is LIGHT YEARS AHEAD of the US SYSTEM of EDUCATION. Meanwhile just keep watching those TARZAN MOVIES.
From: United States
you actually do not have to journey that far, trujillo. your local junior high school might be of more help than you imagined.
Written by: Trujillo, 17 Aug 2008 1:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Columbus discoverd the new world (America) for the europeans and the rest of the world, not for the native americans and no-one has ever claimed that he discovered the continent for the natives that were already living here. Some will say that the vikings came first, but the rest of europe didn't really find out about the new world until the spaniards came.
Written by: Trujillo, 17 Aug 2008 1:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Yes, and there are white people in South Africa too, they came from Europe.
Written by: Trujillo, 17 Aug 2008 1:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Yes, and there are white people in South Africa too, they came from Europe.
From: United States
i have never heard it put in those terms. it has always been maintained that "Columbus discovered the New World". if that is the case, maybe Hannibal discovered Italy!
Written by: Trujillo, 17 Aug 2008 1:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Now a "white supremacist". Niiiice, did you come up with that all by yourself?
Written by: Trujillo, 17 Aug 2008 1:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic
You fail buddy. Good bye.
From: United States
you see, Trujillo, when you make unequivocally stupid remarks, you sometimes invoke the wrath of people who are disposed to rational thinking. if one civilisation existed thousands of years before another, do you think that the latecomer invented everything? how do you think the chinese and other ancient civilisations functioned before europe began to develop? do you believe that all peoples of the world lived in caves, fashioning makeshift implements from stone, before europe came and showed them the way? is that your idea? if it is, are you serious?
From: United States
This BARELY LITERATE MICROBE is very much like the one who likes to "EXPERIMENT" by dropping PRECISION BOMBS on people in OTHER COUNTRIES. These FACIST, RACIST, NEO NAZI SERIAL KILLERS do not realize that those "PRECISION BOMBS" are killing CHILDREN in their SLEEP. And we are all supposed to appreciate that those PRECISION BOMBS are a GREAT INVENTION. MURDEROUS SLIMY FIENDS. Why don't you drop those PRECISION BOMBS on YOUR OWN KIDS while they are SLEEPING. Then come back here and CROAK about what a GREAT INVENTION they are. MURDEROUS DEMONS.
Written by: ABR23, 17 Aug 2008 2:08 PM
From: Puerto Rico
Good for that British system of calculus and geometry. If not for the dumbed down American system, of tanks and planes in 1940's, they would as well be speaking German.
I have not seen a more racist people than the DR where you have racism based on color, based on class and economics. where none considers themselves to be black. (indios todos)
I I even recall reading an editorial opinion in DR newspaper that in 500 years of Christian Civilization the black Dominicans had only contributed with the drum (tambora).
Loud does not make you right.
Written by: DannyVC, 17 Aug 2008 2:14 PM
From: United States, New Jersey
The US never invaded DR? Damn, that must of been one hell of a delegation back in 65' then.
Written by: DannyVC, 17 Aug 2008 2:17 PM
From: United States, New Jersey
I always wonder why people see the need to classify Dominicans as black, If the Dominican people don't want to define themselves as black then don't get your panties in a twist, if Dominicans view white culture as more favorable to them than black culture then that is THEIR BUSINESS, stop trying to force your worldview on others.
Written by: ABR23, 17 Aug 2008 2:19 PM
From: Puerto Rico
But that is the good part of a democracy, one has the right to speak his mind . I would gladly go to any extreme to defend that right . While I may not agree with what you say.
Would it not be great if there was one country where that would be guranteed, and respected by it's institutions, Judiciary, Executive and Congressional powers.
I recall in NYC, when the Iran Hostage problem. Iranians went to support the action of Iran on US soil in front of UN. I was a bit displeased that they could do that, and the world would watch.
I later understood that most people would not say what fools the USA. They would say, I could never do that in my country, what a great country that USA.
From: United States
You truly UNDERESTIMATE the BRITISH PEOPLE .. the Germans would have been speaking English and walking around in LINGERIE. You have no clue about the BRITISH. They did not call it FORTRESS ENGLAND for nothing. It did take a lot of MATHEMATICS to win WWII. The CODE BREAKING done at Bletchley Park .. aka CRYPTOGRAPHY .. was the work of both AMERICAN and BRITISH MATHEMATICIANS. CRYPTOGRAPHY is the basic for CODE BREAKING .. a science based on NUMBER THEORY .. a branch of MATHEMATICS.
From: United States
HEY .. Mr. "I LOVE THE USA" .. yes YOU in the KKK rags .. in the 1960s .. not exactly THAT LONG AGO .. THOUSANDS of PEOPLE had to DIE all over the SOUTH .. before they were granted their BASIC RIGHTS to SPEAK OUT and live as HUMAN BEINGS in the UNITED STATES .. they endured POLICE BEATINGS .. POLICE DOGS .. LYNCHING .. FIRE BOMBING .. KKK KIDNAPPINGS and MURDERS .. CHURCHES set on FIRE. All because they demanded the BASIC CIVIL RIGHTS GUARANTEED them under the US CONSTITUTION. I did not hear any of YOUR BUDDIES CLAPPING from the SIDELINES and CROAKING about FREEDOM. Where the HECK were YOU Mr. AMERICAN PIE? Where the HECK do YOU think YOU would have been TODAY if THOSE POOR PEOPLE had not GIVEN THEIR LIVES to GUARANTEE our RIGHT TO SPEAK OUT?
Written by: Lautaro, 17 Aug 2008 4:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
ABR23 said: "I have not seen a more racist people than the DR where you have racism based on color, based on class and economics. where none considers themselves to be black. (indios todos)"
At least we didn't have Jim Crow laws nor outlawed marriage between races as your beloved country did, ABR23.
From: United States
Good point .. most of these so called AMERICANS do not have the faintest idea of their OWN COUNTRY'S HISTORY .. they don't know where they CAME FROM .. they pick what they like .. take a SNAP SHOT .. and hand you a TURISTA picture of AMERICA .. wake up DUDE .. study HISTORY .. learn about YOUR OWN RACISM. Until recently GEORGIA .. yes the AMERICAN STATE of GEORGIA .. outlawed marriages between BLACKS and WHITES. It was ON THE BOOKS.
From: United States
Look at the crap BARAK OBAMA has to ENDURE over his "RACIAL IDENTITY". RACISM has been ALIVE and KICKING in the US. This is the FIRST TIME in our 231-YEAR HISTORY that a PERSON OF COLOR has stood a chance in PRESIDENTIAL POLITICS. All we can do is TRY to LEGISLATE and ENFORCE the laws pertaining to HATE CRIMES and INSTITUTIONAL RACISM. FLORIDA and TEXAS lead the nation in the SHEER NUMBER and FEROCITY of HATE CRIMES. RACISM is DEEPLY WEAVED into the SOCIAL, ECONOMIC and POLITICAL FABRIC of OUR COUNTRY. Amnesty International still cites the US in it's Annual Report on HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES. Which places OUR COUNTRY in the SAME CATEGORY as RUSSIA. RWANDA, BURUNDI, CHINA, CUBA, ZIMBABWE. Pretty good huh?
From: United States
just an aside , ABR23. there is no such thing as racism based on class. that is classism. similarly, there is no racism based on economics. discrimination and racism are not one and the same thing. and, if you are from Puerto Rico, racial matters are not too great there , either. i interact with puerto ricans in new york on a regular basis, and they are quite hilarious themselves. i once had a puerto rican woman tell me that she is not a racist , because she associates with me , even though she is white and i am black. the only curious aspect of her statement is that she is several shades darker than i am! i asked her how she could make such a statement, given our relative pigments. her response was "you know, we are considered white". oh yeah? by whom? try buying a house in scarsdale, and you will find out how white you are, miss puerto rico!
From: United States
Man from Bonao .. now that's seriously funny dude .. if you are a PERSON OF COLOR and really want to understand RACISM .. come and live in the UNITED STATES. You will SEE IT .. FEEL IT .. TOUCH IT .. BE REPULSED BY IT .. FEEL ANGER ABOUT IT .. unless of course you have been declared CLINICALLY and LEGALLY DEAD. With your DEATH CERTIFICATE pinned to your CHEST.
From: United States
If you are a PERSON OF COLOR .. have a sense of ADVENTURE .. a well define DEATH WISH .. I would recommend RUSSIA, GERMANY, FRANCE, SWEDEN as places where GANGS of NATIONALISTIC YOUTH will BEAT YOU TO DEATH and DRAG YOUR MUTILATED CORPSE through the STREETS. Anybody interested in SIGNING UP for the ALL INCLUSIVE PACKAGE DEAL?
Written by: ABR23, 17 Aug 2008 7:17 PM
From: Puerto Rico
Now who is fixing history to his own views. If you say that without American Support, the British alone would have held back the Germans. You are changing history. Resolve alone was not doing England too much and they already had the Canadians, Australia; and other colonies helping. Including all those Americans that went over early.
You like to quote, (google) your knowledge. Give me the book that presents or supports that position. Churchill was being nice to the USA, in giving thanks. Who needs, Ike, Patton, Bradley, Montgomery had it all under control.
Hey yes, their were laws here. But the Spaniards/Portuguese were the biggest slave traders. Africans captured each other to sell to europeans. The 23 in my name is my Cedula Serie. Cocolo from SPM. So try not to ASS(U)ME.
I lived in the SOUTH, Augusta Ga, Laffayette, LA, , Tenn, Virginia, Brunswick ,GA.
Been there done that got the T-shirt.
Written by: Lautaro, 17 Aug 2008 7:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Somehow I find that hard to believe, cuz´if you were really a petromacorisano, as well as having lived in the US South and PR, then you should know that reality dictates a far different picture than the one that you naively want us to swallow, ABR23. Having lived on both places myself I can assure you that the US is light years behind from achieving the levels of racial harmony that you can see here on the DR (where you can find that people belonging to the same family could be as white as a De La Renta or as dark as a Wesley Snipes). Now, if you were speaking about classism and discrimination caused by economic disparities, then yes, the DR have a lot to answer for on that account.
Written by: ABR23, 17 Aug 2008 7:41 PM
From: Puerto Rico
Dominicans in PR go through less discrimination than Haitians in DR. They have access to legal recourse, can claim and receive justice and fair treatment.. You may not see it from all the people. Some feel they are being displaced.by Dominicans in PR. But they get fair treatment from institutions and have legal recourse.
The stupid USA, you mention OBAMA. He has a better shot in just 3 years in the American Political system, than Pena-Gomez had in 30 years trying to convince Dominicans. Must I now beleive that he was blocked based on anything other than his heritage.
There were books and rumors/truths spread about him. Who did that, the Americans? No maybe it was that white Dominican majority in the DR. They were indios Dominicanos who did not want to have a "Haitian" as president.
Last time I looked OBAMA has alot of white support. Including in Albama, NC, Georgia.
Pena-Gomez still could not get elected, and guess what it would be based on the same reasons.
From: United States
BORICUA .. it is one thing to INVADE a COUNTRY .. but another thing to hold on to OCCUPIED TERRITORY. Do you want me to BABY SIT you through that one? Or do you think you can FIGURE IT OUT for YOURSELF?
Written by: Lautaro, 17 Aug 2008 7:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Last time I checked, the DR had already a president of haitian descent. Doesn't the name Ulises Heureaux a.k.a Lilis ring any bells to you, ABR23?
Written by: Lautaro, 17 Aug 2008 7:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Also you have to understand that the party that Peña Gomez was a candidate for (the PRD) didn't have a pretty track running the country's affairs, or are you telling me that you have forgotten already the mess they did during their first eight years in power (1978-1986)?
From: United States
ABR23, with time you will come to know me as a fair man who gives credit where it is due. i will have to concur with you regarding Pena Gomez. everything you say has a ring of truth to it. i remember my dominican friend in new york rejoicing unrelievedly when Leonel won, because he felt that Pena was " too black to run the country ".this was coming from a guy who was a few tints removed from the ace of spades, himself!
Written by: Lautaro, 17 Aug 2008 7:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Somehow I prefer things the way they have turned out, dread, cuz' I really doubt that Peña would have been able to control the sharks of his party. Imagine what an administration like Hipo's would have done to his reputation, it would only have served to confirm the rightist propaganda that says that blacks are unfit to govern a country.
From: United States
If Britain Had Fallen: The Real Nazi Occupation Plans by Norman Longmate .. is considered one of the most comprehensive publications on the hypothetical subject of Britain under German occupation. You posed an IF question and you get an IF answer. Nobody really knows what the outcome could be. But the BRITISH are not PUERTO RICANS. They are NOT like the FRENCH. They WOULD NOT sit around and enjoy watching their BELOVED BRITAIN continue under GERMAN OCCUPATION. If you are a WWII AFFICIONADO .. I am sure you will have heard of BLETCHLEY PARK. I will give you a few minutes to GOOGLE that so you have an understand of the IMPORTANT ROLE that INTELLIGENCE played in WWII. OK?
From: United States
Mr Lautaro, i can always count on you for brilliantly insightful takes on these subjects. yes, he would have been sabotaged, both intentionally and by unintended consequences. then the outcry would have been " see, we gave them a chance, but it is too much for them ".
From: United States
Soo true, but then again knowing that pena gomez was able to run for president is a feat of its own. I cannot hesitate in saying, Haitians wouldn't allow a known dominican to run for a senator, yet alone a president of haiti. The fact that Pena made it to the point he did, proves that not all is bad with DR. I believe if DR was truly an example of how Rubirosa, Carbelk99, and company makes it seem, Pena would have been assassinated the second he was seen talking about entering the elections. DR to me is best summarized as a country confused when it comes to racial issues. From some people's mouths it maybe considered racist, but I think confused is a good way to summarize it. DR has too many people of african descent to be a bonafide racist country. But the confusion brought about by Trujillo and most of his people, definitely permeates today.
From: United States
anonymous, you said a mouthful. i cannot find any disagreement with what you said. and, you are quite right about carbelk and rubirosa: then again, there is wheat, and then there is chaff.
Written by: juliony, 17 Aug 2008 9:09 PM
From: United States, New YOrk
Trujillo, I believe you are wrong. China discover the Americas.
Lautaro: jorge Blanco.. I recalled his brother saying: No se porque el pueblo seleciono a mi hermano como presidente.. porque ese le robo a papa muchas veces.." I find that funny to hear from his own brother..
Lautaro: Gomez would have to commit sepuku or shoot himself (the same thing Don Antonio did).. unless someone pulled the trigger...
Written by: ABR23, 17 Aug 2008 9:40 PM
From: Puerto Rico
They (Germans) would have no way of doing it, because they did not do it in France, Poland, Netherlands etc. All whom read what you say know you overstated yourself. You sound like a
guy that can afford cable, at least watch the History Channel, and the bull (by ur views) they show, must be American propaganda. of WWII.
Call it what we may, on race factors in DR, confused etc. that would be spin. The real name is what the person who endures it calls it.. Was the USA confused before the Civil Rights Act.. Lester Maddox in Georgia, Strum Thurmond in N.C. and George Wallace in Alabama, were all confused. Litercy test to vote in Alabama came out of confusion of all those black votes.
Written by: ABR23, 17 Aug 2008 9:52 PM
From: Puerto Rico
I end my part in this string, by saying both places need to improve. I hate to judge DR by USA standards. I realize that we who left are the ones who changed.
This is a smart group. (regardless of the name calling) we may disagree on our views and the way to fix the DR and USA. But no one has it 100 % on his side. If it was easy it would all be done by now. Practice democracy right here, and there is no need to denigrate others you may not agree with. Name calling and bullying are the water-hoses and dogs of the 60's in the electronic age.
Written by: Lautaro, 17 Aug 2008 9:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Yes, but the fact at the end of the day is that we're way more advanced on this issue than many countries on the continent, including the US itself, ABR23. The fact that the majority of our population is colored/mixed speaks volumes about the levels of racial tolerance of the DR. Granted, we're not the last Coca-Cola on the desert, but we aren't the racist monsters that you're so happily portraying either. He dicho.
From: United States
well said, ABR23. sadly, not everyone is like you, rational and lucid. there are those whose entire being revolves around hating haitians. if you want to see 1000 postings on a subject, just insert the word Haiti. then, all the usual suspects crawl out of the woodwork, to regale us with the products of their "minds".
From: United States
That Puerto Rican was writing in his sleep. I almost DOZED OFF myself trying to keep up with his meandering mumbles. But you are right about the HAITIAN EFFECT on DT. Even a cursory mention of HAITI or HAITIANS draws a wave of predators. It's like chumming shark infested waters. The dorsal fins hit the surface and they begin circling in tighter and tigher circles. How very strange.
From: Haiti
Sticking to that colorful analogy then makes me, Jabao, and Jemesouviens the brave harpooners in these shark-infested waters doing our very best to ward off or better yet kill these violent sea beasts that arise for a feeding frenzy whenever the "chum" (Haiti or Haitians) so happens to be thrown into the water. But maybe I shouldn't bother seeing as it is their primal nature to attack.
From: United States
Huh? Who dragged Shakespeare out of his stinking grave?
From: United States
well, boys and girls, so much for Prez's war on drugs. i just read the release in DRI ,which states that the lieutenant colonel( or whatever) and his wife, who were caught in a stolen car with 8 keys of coke, were sentenced to ONE, YES ONE, AND I MEAN ONE, REALLY, year in jail!!! so, for all you dudes like NY4LIFE, who think we are on a fast track to great things, think again. there are guys serving 6 months for stealing a cellphone. THERE IS NO HOPE!!!!
From: United States
Man from Bonao .. you got it .. it's just a lot of excitement over nothing .. in a few weeks all will be forgotten .. it will be business as usual. But there is HOPE. Once those Super Tucano WWI propeller planes get here .. we strap Cap'n Crunch into the tin cans and let 'em rip. Relax. The Cap'n will take care of business.
From: United States
It really bothers me how Dominicans tend to forget how the DR was back in 2000-2004 with Hipolito. OK Leonel is not the best president out there, but he did pull the DR out of its economical deterioration and I think that Dominicans want him to magically solve the problems of the country. I am glad that Leonel got another term; I hope that Danilo becomes the next president, and I hope that we never again have a farmer as are president.
I feel the same exact way! "Vamos a cembrar la avenida de batat y yuca"
From: United States
DR is behind many many years, you can't expect Leonel to perform a miracle.
Read on:
http://www.listin.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=70020
He needs to stay home for awhile and take a look at what is going on.
I suggest rather then speeding through the city with his caravan and entourage he slows down a bit.
If not he will just be another "promise everything' and do nothing glory seeker.
Metro is still not running.
Electricity still not available 24 hours a day 7 days a week.
An incompetent police department.
Corruption all the way up to the presidents office.
Now does anyone beleive he can fight crime?
Best of luck to Leonel in his 3rd term.
Y yo seguire a Caballo
Check your history books the US never invaded the DR. I expect Belial to be that stupib but not you.
Most Dominicans are used to these kinds of crisies. The ones that cannot take it .. they hop into a Yola and attempt the Mona crossing. They are tough people. They have a different outlook on life
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So, would it be safe to say that someone who jumps off a bridge and commits suicide is Brave?
Think not my young Padawan. There are better words for these people.
Brave he/she are not I say. Now, commandeering the presidential palace and whacking a few corrupt senators, then brave he/she is.
Brave would be those who remain, place all at risk and break the imperial grip of corruption on the Republic by any means necessary.
So, my young Padawan, to change the current state of our beleaguered Republic, it will take much courage and strength. I hasten to say, these are elements which are none existent.
The Force is not with us.
Jan 03, 1904 - The cruiser USS Detroit (C 10) lands a Marine detachment at Puerto Plata, Dominican Replublic, to protect American interests during an insurrection.
http://www.news.navy.mil/search/display_history.asp?story_id=304
1798-1800 France Undeclared naval war against France, marines land in Puerto Plata.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/history/interventions.htm
1914 Dominican Republic Naval forces engage in battles in the city of Santo Domingo
1916-1924 Dominican Republic Military intervention leading to 8-year occupation.
1965 Dominican Republic 23,000 troops land.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/history/interventions.htm
He forgot that we are commenting on the issue at hand and has no clue other than hearing himself write. Belial is the same type of idiot a lot of noise and no bite.
Interpretations of history to suit himself.
the comments here are based on a topic that the media posted and of go goulishcolon and belial on their own agenda to review everything but what is actually at hand.
Idiots in the first degree.
Even the capatial has no power for hours on end.
Santiago has no power for days at times.
Let alone the small communities.
You allow Teflon Fernadez and Diandino Pena to rob you blind with construction projects that never work such as the Metro and they are adding a second line that won't work as well.
So stop being an idiot and allow people to state their comments without harrasement to the journal articles.
When I stated that electricity is not available 24/7 anywhere in the DR then that is the truth.
You with your lack of brain interpret that no electricity is available at all which is further from the truth, my statement is correct as anyone that is familiar with the DR knows eletricity is not available 24/7
As for police lack of salary that is no excuse for not doing your job and being corrupt.
The drug problem in the USA and the power problem in DR. There is no solution, it will always be bad, and at times, worse than that.
So in January, with Bush and Cheney gone. All will be good again in the world. The RD TODAY forum should be void of 90% of the bully pulpit preaching.
WIZARD OF OZ, explains it all.
The Great Wizard has spoken "PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN(computer)".
We are not in Santiago anymore Toto!.
SCARECROW: I am a failure because I have not a brain.
Dorothy: Well what would you do with a brain if you had one?
Scarecrow:
I would while away the hours - with my computer powers - bitchin about the train (metro)
My head i'd be scratchin - with the bull I would be hatchin - if he only had a brain.
I would post more than the others - no matter who it bothers - the forum I would reign
with the thoughts I'd be thinkin - they may think I'm Mr. Lincoln - if I only had a brain
We do like to experiment though ,and see how well our weapons work ,be careful , those precision bombs weren't as precise as we had hoped, maybe next time..
Peace and Love !
"BTW the US is the best country in the World even on a bad day. Bush doesn't run our country we do. Don't forget that and we will crush anyone who trys to mess with our freedom."
Need to stop reading Middle School and High Schools Civic/History books.
Get informed and be informed.
Written by: JimHarrington, 16 Aug 2008 8:04 PM
From: United States
To GhouliiishColon,
Check your history books the US never invaded the DR. I expect Belial to be that stupib but not you.
ladronaso, anyone who posts such ignorance will have to stop reading kindergarten civics books.
middle school and high school is a little optimistic in this case, don't you think?
Keep firing guys, the mighty Bismark, is listing and rudderless, going in circles firing it's mighty guns but only to make noise.
I have not seen a more racist people than the DR where you have racism based on color, based on class and economics. where none considers themselves to be black. (indios todos)
I I even recall reading an editorial opinion in DR newspaper that in 500 years of Christian Civilization the black Dominicans had only contributed with the drum (tambora).
Loud does not make you right.
Would it not be great if there was one country where that would be guranteed, and respected by it's institutions, Judiciary, Executive and Congressional powers.
I recall in NYC, when the Iran Hostage problem. Iranians went to support the action of Iran on US soil in front of UN. I was a bit displeased that they could do that, and the world would watch.
I later understood that most people would not say what fools the USA. They would say, I could never do that in my country, what a great country that USA.
At least we didn't have Jim Crow laws nor outlawed marriage between races as your beloved country did, ABR23.
You like to quote, (google) your knowledge. Give me the book that presents or supports that position. Churchill was being nice to the USA, in giving thanks. Who needs, Ike, Patton, Bradley, Montgomery had it all under control.
Hey yes, their were laws here. But the Spaniards/Portuguese were the biggest slave traders. Africans captured each other to sell to europeans. The 23 in my name is my Cedula Serie. Cocolo from SPM. So try not to ASS(U)ME.
I lived in the SOUTH, Augusta Ga, Laffayette, LA, , Tenn, Virginia, Brunswick ,GA.
Been there done that got the T-shirt.
http://worldwar2questions.blogspo....uld-germany-have-invaded-and.html
The stupid USA, you mention OBAMA. He has a better shot in just 3 years in the American Political system, than Pena-Gomez had in 30 years trying to convince Dominicans. Must I now beleive that he was blocked based on anything other than his heritage.
There were books and rumors/truths spread about him. Who did that, the Americans? No maybe it was that white Dominican majority in the DR. They were indios Dominicanos who did not want to have a "Haitian" as president.
Last time I looked OBAMA has alot of white support. Including in Albama, NC, Georgia.
Pena-Gomez still could not get elected, and guess what it would be based on the same reasons.
Lautaro: jorge Blanco.. I recalled his brother saying: No se porque el pueblo seleciono a mi hermano como presidente.. porque ese le robo a papa muchas veces.." I find that funny to hear from his own brother..
Lautaro: Gomez would have to commit sepuku or shoot himself (the same thing Don Antonio did).. unless someone pulled the trigger...
guy that can afford cable, at least watch the History Channel, and the bull (by ur views) they show, must be American propaganda. of WWII.
Call it what we may, on race factors in DR, confused etc. that would be spin. The real name is what the person who endures it calls it.. Was the USA confused before the Civil Rights Act.. Lester Maddox in Georgia, Strum Thurmond in N.C. and George Wallace in Alabama, were all confused. Litercy test to vote in Alabama came out of confusion of all those black votes.
This is a smart group. (regardless of the name calling) we may disagree on our views and the way to fix the DR and USA. But no one has it 100 % on his side. If it was easy it would all be done by now. Practice democracy right here, and there is no need to denigrate others you may not agree with. Name calling and bullying are the water-hoses and dogs of the 60's in the electronic age.
I feel the same exact way! "Vamos a cembrar la avenida de batat y yuca"