Here's is an example of this method going very wrong:

The military’s expansive new counterdrug missions led to some tragedies that kept on the front burner the question of whether military forces should be engaged in law enforcement activities.

For example, in April 2001, a US surveillance aircraft handed off the tracking of a suspected drug running airplane to the Peruvian pilot of an A-37 fighter aircraft taking part in the US-coordinated Joint Air Bridge Denial program. Ultimately, the Peruvian fighter sent the civilian aircraft plummeting into the Amazon River in flames with two short bursts from its nose-mounted 7.62-caliber mini-gun.

Only later did the wreckage reveal that the unarmed civilian airplane was carrying a Baptist missionary family. A mother and her seven-month-old daughter were killed, and the American pilot of the aircraft was severely wounded.

(Copyright Air Force Association. All rights reserved.0

Buddy .. tell your buddies up North to just stop snorting all that cocaine OK .. then we won't need any of your useless WWI technical mumbo jumbo .. stop snorting .. case closed ..

It is the heavy demand for cocaine in the United States that is creating the heavy narcotic trafficking that we now see traversing the Caribbean .. none of these technical solutions will work .. use your brain .. this is a demand and supply problem .. elementary school economics .. don't waste what little brain power you have on a simple problem .. OK?

The Domincan miletary has aboslutely no idea on how to control drugs. Its motto if new aircraft are approved are shoot it down we can take the lumps that will be handed down if we are wrong.

Goulishcolon get smart and look at what that corrupt Leonel and his cronies are doing, they are milking the system for all it is worth.

These planes are going to be nothing but trouble .. especially in the hands of poorly trained pilots .. they will most probably be chasing other single-engine propellor driven tin cans over inhabited areas of the Dominican Republic .. firing their guns in every conceivable direction .. that ammo will be hitting houses .. cars .. stores .. pedestrians .. farmers .. anywhere they are aimed .. it is a myopic solution .. a disaster waiting to happen .. explains why the Senate is reluctant to try this little "Wild West" stunt ..

The systemic poster aka the net cola nut, has depreciated opinions worthy of cosignment to the intellectual dung pile. uninvited intrusiveness does not embellish the standings of a mental midget, it does however point to a void in a persons life, if this forum is your only means of validation.

Regurgitation of old worn out constucts, does not add to the body of potential solutions and therfore is a waste of time. a condescendings attitudes create barriers to communication, So then, what is the purpose of this net cola nut.

Spoken like a Professor of Anal Retention .. I have no idea what you are saying you confounded old fool .. you must have been reading the Encyclopedia backwards .. why don't you get off that crack pipe for a change .. save what little brain you have left for basic survival functions like eating and defecating .. you are starting to smell like regurgitant .. like the dung pile that you came from .. JERK.

While you are in rehab .. try not to get too much brown stuff into your ears .. pull our head out of your bum .. breathe some fresh air .. stop smoking that crack .. dump the crack pipe .. it's not good for you .. stop snorting .. it is creating a lot of problems for poor nations like the DR .. crack cocaine and cocaine snorters like you .. who can barely string a sentence together because you are so high .. you don't realize you are defecating in your ears ..

GoulishColon;

In this argument, I must agree with you totally.
Indiscriminent use of "deadly force" must be avoided by the emplacement of proper controls on the use of the aircraft in question.
As I have posted in other articles, relative to this question, there must be in place the mechanisms by which incoming air traffic is interdicted and identified id it is an "unknown" track.
The DR DOES NOT have the proper Air Defence tools in place to properly address this problem adequately as yet and to go off "half-cocked" iscertainly not the way to go.
And, although you are correct in stating that the US is a MAJOR user of the narcotic products being transported, I would remind you that the EU is yet another Major user. However, the mention of the users, while not irrelevent, is another internal problem which must be solved by the appropriate governments.
You are right in stating that TRAINING is a necessary part of the equation.

TB

The EU is definitely a problem .. especially considering the light sentences meted out for serious drug offences .. the comfortable hotels they call "jails" .. fully air conditioned .. cable TV .. Internet access .. good food .. foie gras .. frog legs .. the problem in MY COUNTRY .. cough cough .. the UNITED STATES of AMERICA .. I will let you deal with that .. Because the moment I open my mouth? You know the rest.

I am very impressed with this persons in depth knowledge of the drug and the parphenalia and methods of inducing into ones body .It would also seem like they have personal experience with rehab, but that must not be going so well.

Try and channel your anger into something positive, if not for yourself, do it for your children.

Please don't be so mean to everyone here it is negative energy and even though a lot what you say
are the cold hard facts, it just isn't socially acceptable.

Good luck with all that.



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You too can be an expert on NARCOTICS ABUSE by watching CNN .. CBS .. ABC .. NBC .. MSNBC .. it is also parlayed in countless HOLLYWOOD MOVIES .. there is hardly anybody in the US who is not familiar with NARCOTICS ABUSE .. it starts in GRADE SCHOOL .. buying a few ounces of pot from classmates .. seeing drug dealers on street corners .. there is NO STREET, NO TOWNSHIP, NO CITY, NO COUNTY, NO STATE in America that has not been touched by this multi-billion dollar enterprise .. George Bush may have been using narcotics until his wife threatend to leave him .. he declined to discuss it during his 2000 Presidential bid .. admitting to alcohol addiciton as well as the DUI arrest and conviction in Maine. If you live in the US and pretend to NOT KNOW about the intricacies of NARCOTICS ABUSE .. you are either BRAIN DEAD .. or close to being COMATOSE.. or just plain STUPID. Which one are YOU? So don't start this self-righteous "I am impressed" little INNUENDO with me cowboy .. OK?

GhoulishColon you are hilarious, I like you.

But there is more .. the PRESCRIPTION DRUG business .. those cute little plastic containers in the MEDICINE CABINETS that are endemic to each and every home in America .. there is a DOCTORS PRESCRIPTION for every damned thing under the sun and moon .. except for HAPPINESS .. but they do come close don't they? MOM and DAD need Xanax, bromazepam, clonazepam, diazepam, estazolam just to REMAIN CALM. Baby needs ritalin, methylin, metadate to pay ATTENTION at SCHOOL. With Middle Class Mom and Dad at work. Who will stop the Middle Class kids from getting their curious little hands on those cute little plastic containers? Not exactly sure which is worse. Those pharmaceutical poisons in the cute little plastic containers. Or those ugly crack cocaine packets sold on the STREETS of AMERICA.

We are a SERIOUSLY DRUG ADDICTED NATION. So even if the cocaine, Asian heroin, Mexican Black Tar heroin and the rest of those poisons can be stopped at our borders or beyond .. we still have a BIG PROBLEM. We will simply turn to the SYNTHETIC and MORE DEADLY variants of those ILLICIT DRUGS .. as well as the PRESCRIPTION DRUGS just mentioned above .. it's pretty bad. It's sheer hell. If I was a Dominican .. I would be very FEARFUL of my children growing up in the United States. But the attraction from the amount of MONEY that can be made in AMERICA is so strong .. that most foreigners are willing to take the chance. What a pity.

GhoulishColon;

Just when was about to give up on you, you start coming forth with a lot of sense and some solutions.
Whaat I would like to see is the Moms and Pops in the world start to do the same thing that the Hospitals do--- LOCK THOSE DANGEROUS PRESCRIPTION IN A SAFE AND DON'T GIVE THE KEY/COMBINATION TO THE KIDS IN THE HOUSEHOLD.
Maybe, just maybe, that habit would help to eliminate some of the sneaky little fools getting hold of the drugs at home, anyway.
Parental control of the lives and actions of ones offspring is essential to their well being, since they haven't the wisdom of age on their side. Maybe forced viewing of DRUG REHAB CENTERS through CD's, TV, etc., would help. I'm just not sure which method of ANTI-DRUG education would work best. Some of the pics are awful and that could send a wakeup call to young minds.
For my part, I track my 3 juveniles very closely and demand that they tell me where they're going and when they'll return.

TB

"It's hard to discipline our kids in AMERICA .. I once loudly admonished my daughter for coming home late .. neighbors heard the commotion and called the cops who immediately fixed to have her placed in a GROUP HOME .. Practically every harsh disciplinary action against one's child can be construed as CHILD ABUSE .. you spank your kid on the butt .. it's CHILD ABUSE .. you say something in anger .. you could get ARRESTED .. charged with a 3rd Degree Misdemeanor .. As parents in AMERICA .. our hands are tied .. very tightly. Our GOVERNMENT claims to know more about how to raise kids. We are AFRAID of our own kids. Now that's REALLY BAD. "

The parental ass-whipping needs a serious comeback.

It's easier said than done .. there are entire COUNTY and STATE CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES set up to make sure you know your proper place in your own home. I am not saying CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES are not needed .. they certainly are useful in cases of EXTREME NEGLECT and ABUSE .. but I have seen CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES called in over very minor incidents like shouting matches between a mother and her teenager. The kid wants to stay out all night. Mom said no and before she knows it. She gets a call from CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES. An "expert" is sent over for long and expensive "counselling" sessions. Mom is then afraid to say anything. Daughter goes out and parties till the break of dawn.

Instead of buying 3 slow old Super Tucano planes, why not buy one real fighting plane like the F16 or F18 Hornet.

A "bare bones" F-16 Fighting Falcon can cost upwards of $20 million .. compared to $5.5 million per Super Tucano .. I could not find any numbers on OMR for either aircraft. But cost is definitely a major consideration.

Sang I hear you cashed your Betty Ford refund check ....I suppose you will be partying down tonight

i must agree with (tb) on both of his posters;
first of all he knows being a retired air force lt col and in this part you can't argue with him.
on the other poster i also agree with him being that i was raised that way.
finally we both have the military dicsipline behind us, since i was also a viet
nam vet.

tar

I am saving that check for SF and Vancouver . the latter being one of the best party towns in Canada .. plenty of rotis there ..

Thelmo;
I hasten to correct you about my retired rank. I am a CAPTAIN, USAF, Retired. Not a Lt. Col. That was the rank posted by the Editor, after one of my "Opinion" columns several months ago. I hoped that the disclaimer was effective , but evidently not.
Anyway, ZonaDominicana, the DR doesn't have thefinancial wherewithal to purchase, much less maintain an aircraft in the category of the F-16/F-18. These aircraft are entirely too sophisticated for a Dominican mechanic to work on. Besides, their "down-time" is in the neighborhood of 10-15 hours down for every 1 hour of flighttime.
The Tuscano, on the other hand, is fast enough to accomplish the assigned mission profile except when sent to intercept a "pure-jet" type target.
Additionally, the Dominican Armed Forces do not have the Air Defence infrastructure to support the Intercept equation.

TB were you what they call a mustang officer.?...good for you...anyhow we will strap you in and send you into the wild blue again

The Tuscano doesn't have Radar to effectively deal with any All-Weather intercepts even if the Ground Radar coverage was available andI don't know of any "Add-Ons" that would give them that capability.
At additional cost, a system MAY be adapted (in an underwing pod form) to make an All-Weather Interceptor out of the aircraft, but it would take a lot of engineering and would be a nightmare to maintain and tie-in to a fire control system to be effective.
Did you ever try to see another aircraft at night where there was NO exhaust flame to guide you? Damn near impossible to do, much less join up and identify "friend or foe". On top of that, shooting at another object in the air isn't like the firing range exercise. You must be RIGHT ON TOP OF THE TARGET to be effective. Highlighting with theLanding Lights ain't all it is cracked up to be. I found that out in Korea when I went after a PO-2 with a T-6 and 30 cals. Got the bstrd, but was almost chewing off his tailfeathers at firing.

http://www.deagel.com/Trainers-an....ft/EMB-312-Tucano_a000074001.aspx

Also Known As: A-29 Super Tucano, ALX Super Tucano, AT-29 Super Tucano, EMB-312F, EMB-312H Super Tucano, S312, T-27 Tucano, Tucano T.1

Performance:
Ceiling 10,700 m (35,105 ft)
Cruise Speed 114 mps (410 kph x 0.625 = 256 mph)
Endurance 5 hours
Max Range 1,800 km (972 nm x 1.1574 = 1125 sm)
Top Speed 125 mps (450 kph x 0.625 = 281 mph)

This is making me dizzy and air sick .. barf bag please .. I just hope that Dominican "Red Baron" will not be firing directly down over my slum .. I spent a lot of pesos on those chickens you see running about the yard .. it's gonna be time to retaliate with the old Borfors ack-ack on the roof .. set the proximity fuse and shoot down friend and foe alike .. you have no idea what can happen when this Chinaman goes loco .. or do you?

Hey Sang did you look at the photo close ? did you do the paint job ? your buddy Claire still speaks from the grave

No, man, the plan is to use the Tucanos to fly more of the stuff in, and shoot the DNCD helos out of the sky por si acaso.

All those maintenance runs to Brazil, with fuel stop at Hugo's private strip?

Gimme a break!

I can see it now .. druggie planes with souped up Super Tucano escorts .. and better trained fighter jocks than the ones we have .. rat-a-tat .. rat-a-tat .. dog fights over Santo Domingo .. oh dear ..

More than 2,000 Dominicans are either arrested and/or killed because of drug trafficking. Citing a few isolated examples of antidrug enforcement actions against civilians is not moral grounds for DR to defend it's sovereignty and stop the drug trafficking that the U.S. has turned its eyes away from. Let the Tucans do their jobs despite the tecnicall limitations, we rather take the risk of making a civilian mistake than having dozens of small planes and boats dropping cocaine in DR every week.

I was for the DR to be able to shoot down those drug runners but as I sit and think about it, I think it's not a very smart idea.

Let the USCG handle the entire operation with the DR permission of course. That way DR does not have to buy those useless planes and apply the money towars education as it is done in PR

I am not saying to be a territory of the USA but since the drugs ultimate destination is the USA then it is their responsability. You don't see a PR air force or military or naval but USA and they could save money as such .

My personal opinion those pushing to buy obsolite planes that are not all weather planes w/o radar are l;ooking for kick back only . Therefore the DR senate should turn it down no matter how
much the DR air force wants a new toy.