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Holy Gómez, a Nicaraguan, only survivor of the Bani bloodbath and Darío José Atencio Vargas, “El Don,” alleged head of the other six men shot dead in Ojo de Agua, Peravia province.

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SANTO DOMINGO.- Foreigners seem able to do what they please in Dominican Republic and are frequently involved in crimes. Whether to flee from justice in their country, or as headquarters continue operating the foreigners, including those of the worst ilk, have chosen what’s become a "paradise" for crime, says newspaper Diario Libre.

Colombians linked to kidnappings, Africans swindle people with the promise to multiply, with witchcraft, the money given them, Russians who use the country as a bridge to traffic people to the United States, a Venezuelan gang of burglars and muggers and even pedophiles are some of the most scandalous cases, the publication says.

It said the recent underworld-style murders near Baní (south), six foreigners Police say are linked to drug trafficking or the millions seized from the Benítez brothers, reveals the mass presence of international criminals in the Dominican Republic.

“Just in 2007 the Dominican and the International Police (INTERPOL) and authorities pursued 37 foreigners who were linked to bank failures, swindles, sabotage and drug trafficking, and that was suspected had entered the country using false names or private airplanes posing as foreign investors,” and notes that as far back as October, 2006 the German magazine Der Spiegel published a report which said the country was a refuge for many German criminals who are now fugitives.

As recent as December an Italian senator denounced that gangsters from his country made investments here, Libre says, and also mentions the most recent cases; that of the three Benítez brothers, from Cuba, wanted in the U.S. for allegedly defrauding the United States Medicare out of US$110 million and who according to the confiscations had millions in investments.

“In a similar case, the FBI and Dominican authorities detained six Cubans July 2004, accused of swindling 20 million dollars also from Medicare. Rubén Martinez, Edith Martinez, Adriana Branches, Daniel Ramos, Daniel Martinez and Giraldy González formed that group, which according to investigators had at least eight local bank accounts,” it says.

It also reports a case in 2003, when a Chilean posing as an investor stole more than 10 million pesos from a group of engineers, who accepted a payment with bad checks.

“A National Statistic Office report in March revealed that from 2002 to 2005 more than 800 foreigners were prosecuted on drug charges, and there are also foreigners in child prostitution and abuse are also frequent,” it said.

Moreover, it cites a Government Commission Against Child Abuse and Sexual Exploitation of 2003, which found that 65 percent of the molestation cases in Boca Chica and Puerto Plata are committed by foreigners. “One of the most scandalous cases in that type of crime was that of a group of Spaniards arrested in 2006, charged with being part of a network of child prostitution on the Internet. The group came to the country as simple visitors and operated in tourist areas.”

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Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 8 Aug 2008 8:20 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Let this be a lesson to you Dread to behave yourself......Are you sure you were not in Bani last weekend ?
Written by: ScandiViking, 8 Aug 2008 8:46 AM
From: Denmark
GC from Canada in SD
Hi again - dont u have any hobbies but this one after 12 years in SD or do u have secretaries to take care of all the topics??
Written by: whatever, 8 Aug 2008 8:47 AM
From: Dominican Republic
What about this news at dr1 forum? :A another Brit was arrested for allegedly running a child prostitution network in Puerto Plata.
http://www.puertoplatadigital.com....8/fiscalapresainglesdedicadoa.htm

Written by: GhouliiishColon This user is banned, 8 Aug 2008 8:52 AM
From: United States
Herr Doktor Johann is a distinguished WWII era psychiatrist from his days at Aushwitz, Buchenwald and Treblinka .. he is too busy running the famous Zona Colonial Sanitariums and too cheap to hire secretaries .. so he uses mental patients like me here on DT to do all the writing for him .. that explains his ubiquitous presence on DT .. it would otherwise be impossible for him to be everwhere at the same time .. Jawohl Herr Doktor Johann?
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 8 Aug 2008 8:57 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Yes to all of the above.....and the secretaries are ex Danish porno stars who have been put out to pasture...Have you ever heard of Fritz Henle ? ...The great Dane Victor Borge ?.....they were both living in St Croix when I was there ....Mr. Borge was practically my neighbor in the Danish West Indies
Written by: ScandiViking, 8 Aug 2008 9:09 AM
From: Denmark
GC
Even with your pension you wouldnt have either x or present Danish porno stars looking at you twice thats why you came to DR - by the way those two guys you mentioned would probably look twice or more at you - beeing practically neighbor etc. etc.


Written by: ScandiViking, 8 Aug 2008 9:29 AM
From: Denmark
GC
where the hack did u go? You wouldnt happend to go out to get some Castrol GTX 10-40W??
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 8 Aug 2008 10:25 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Scandi....are you Dane ? or a transplant sucking on the social programs ?
Written by: GhouliiishColon This user is banned, 8 Aug 2008 10:59 AM
From: United States
Herr Doktor Johann .. I heard the Nicaraguan survivor is being treated and under heavy guard at a military hospital in Santo Domingo .. shall we get him before he squeals on us Herr Doktor Johann?
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 8 Aug 2008 11:09 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Its curtains for him
Written by: ScandiViking, 8 Aug 2008 11:37 AM
From: Denmark
GC
just been talking to an x Danish porno star - she just turned 75 - she promised to give it a try - how about you?

Written by: GhouliiishColon This user is banned, 8 Aug 2008 11:43 AM
From: United States
Herr Doktor Johann .. accept the challenge .. think you can keep the old pecker up long enough for the old hag's mummified remains to arrive from Scandinavia? there is always VIAGRA Mein Herr .. but your ego is too big .. you will probably use a crane instead .. Jawohl Herr Doktor Johann?
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 8 Aug 2008 11:44 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
A Rolodan alumnus
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 8 Aug 2008 11:44 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
I got the pump here and I am rarin to go.....Sang will back me up
Written by: GhouliiishColon This user is banned, 8 Aug 2008 11:47 AM
From: United States
Herr Doktor Johann .. the meds you have been feeding me .. side effects are necrophilic tendencies .. I just read it on the bottle .. so I could help you eat that ancient Scandinavian artifact .. blend her into a fine smoothie and she'll be headed down the old gully tract.
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Aug 2008 12:14 PM
From: United States
i posted several times about these foreigners who come here and run roughshod over the country, with full permission from Dominicans. i even went as far as to say that they could not try this crap in places such as the Virgin Islands , Trinidad, or Jamaica, because they would be run out on a rail. i was reminded diplomatically that these are INVESTORS , people who provide jobs and assist the economy to prosper. and Goulet, tell the viking that you do not need any porn star, as long as the ferreteria is open. the miracles you can work with a weedwhacker and a dustbuster would leave him baffled!
Written by: ScandiViking, 8 Aug 2008 12:20 PM
From: Denmark
GC and Dread - is there a new Salvation Army established?
Written by: GhouliiishColon This user is banned, 8 Aug 2008 12:29 PM
From: United States
Herr Doktor Johann .. I think he left to see new patients .. I have to find him .. need my meds .. where are you Herr Doktor Johann?
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Aug 2008 12:32 PM
From: United States
forgive me if the intent of your post escapes me, Scandi Viking. can you elucidate, please?
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 8 Aug 2008 12:34 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
you got that right
Written by: BLANCO, 8 Aug 2008 1:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic
NOTHING ON TOPIC HERE!!!.. just the usual back biting and b.s maybe we should have another section, called abuse me, where all tdhose who have nothing constructive to say can go to
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Aug 2008 1:16 PM
From: United States
well, Blanco, why don't you exercise your civic duty and right the ship? i mean, talking about it ain't much help!
Written by: GhouliiishColon This user is banned, 8 Aug 2008 1:50 PM
From: United States
Herr Doktor Johann .. you own this blog .. right this ship of fools .. before it goes down like the Titanic .. hurry up Herr Doktor .. we are taking on wasser .. sinking ..
Written by: licey71, 8 Aug 2008 2:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I don't see what the big fuzz is all about. These people see that in our country we do not follow traffic rules, we smuggle things thru the airport so as not to pay tariffs, we give money to the buscones so that we get our legal papers quicker, our politicians do whatever the hell they want and nobody does anything.

They see these things and say, "oh this place is like the old west, let's go there, I want to do whatever I feel like, too.!!"

And we are supposed to feel offended by this? How about we clean the mess we have? If you see a clean house you will think twice before messing it up, right? But if it is messed up already, what's a little more mess gonna harm?
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Aug 2008 3:05 PM
From: United States
very sage observations, licey. besides , they saw that the DR never had a functioning financial intelligence, when little specks like Antigua did. so they said " let us take our ill gotten gains to the DR, because they welcome this stuff with blind eyes, as long as we pay off the right guys".
Written by: zak325, 8 Aug 2008 4:44 PM
From: United States
The Dominican immigration authorities have to start paying attention at the airports, not just on the frontier with Haiti.
Written by: ArsenioALembertJr, 8 Aug 2008 5:57 PM
From: United States, (on Sabbatical)
I will try to diagnose the problem from my "informed" (soy DR, not Johnny Come-Lately) perspective. It's amateur hour at El Apolo: it's the old "Campesinos embullados" syndrome.
People who never had anything, not even class, or respect for themselves or others, have all of the sudden been put in charge. It's like tieing a dog with Longaniza! Or, sending a four year old child on an errand. The wrong people are runnin' things. Who the heck died and left all these knuckle-heads in charge. Some of these palookas are really fish mongers, Bodegueros. But, presto change-o they attended the UASD, or some Poli-Technical Institute in 'Mono Mojao', and they are running a bank. The Clampetts are running the hole shabang! It's the DR version of the Beverly Hillbillies, where even "riff-raff" from all corners of the globe are accepted (cause they have sunglasses and a passport) as bona-fide foreign/citizens visiting the country. 'Cause they married 'Chepa Tingo' they can come and stay ?
Written by: BASTA, 8 Aug 2008 6:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic, = Ghetto-SPM-Barrio Blanco
It just proves that the white men and women are Swine.
Written by: ArsenioALembertJr, 8 Aug 2008 6:22 PM
From: United States, (on Sabbatical)
Lesson to gather from what has become our beloved Quisqueya:

The trappings of Consumerism; The draw-backs, and side-effects of Materialism; The down-side of one-upmanship; Keeping up with the Rodriguez's (The Joneses) is what has allowed all the proliferation of crime, disregard for law and order, etc. If you can bribe and cheat your way into and within a nation. Given the lack of ethics in today's world; Most will jump on the opportunity. Cuttin corners is the symptom of the decadence not only in the DR, but worldwide. Anything goes, money can buy it all. "The World is Yours", rationale pervades DR, and also the world. So, we arrive at a nation overrun with foreign crimminals; Why not? It's like one big Disneyworld: If you can pay the admission ticket, you're in. Which reminds me of the Rublen Blade's song of yesteryear: "Plastico": Ella era una chica plastica, de esas que veo por ahi, que cuando se agitan sudan Chanel Number three. I see a "Plastic" problem here.
Written by: ArsenioALembertJr, 8 Aug 2008 6:34 PM
From: United States, (on Sabbatical)
Basta: It just proves that the white men and women are Swine.
Here, here. Basta! But, I wish it were just the white pederastic pedophile bugger tourists. That's just one aspect of a myriad of problems contributing to the break-down of society. Money talks!
And when you want to play hard and fast (playing catch-up) or in the vernacular "cachu", los cachirulos call the shots. Money talks! Naive innocents listen. They want the Honda, the Jeep, the two story house with the two car garage, and to own "Una Discoteca". What a dream!
So, they "SELL_OUT", to any Tom, Dick, or Harry; or Guisseppe, Vincenzo, and Giovanni; or Dietrich, Hanz, und Herrmann. Money talks! They are willing to sell their souls for a few bucks.
These are the same people that will make the TRek to PR on a row-boat with an out-board motor. For the love of Money: Break the laws of sovereign nations, so you can get ahead. What a farce, what disregard for rules. Just "jump the line, mob rules ethics".
Written by: ArsenioALembertJr, 8 Aug 2008 6:40 PM
From: United States, (on Sabbatical)
Check the Scenario:

Some people got to have it
Hey, Hey, Hey - some people really need it

Hey, listen to me, y'all do thangs, do thangs, do thangs - bad thangs with it
Well, you wanna do thangs, do thangs, do thangs - good thangs with it - yeah

Un Huh, talkin' bout cash money, money

Talkin' bout cash money - dollar bills y'all - come on, now

Yeah, yeah
Yeah, yeah

For the love of money
People will steal from their mother

For the love of money
People will rob their own brother

For the love of money
People can't even walk the streets
Because they'll never know who in the world they're gonna beat
For that mean, oh mean, mean green

Almighty Dollar!

Cash Money

For the love of money
People will lie, rob, they will cheat

For the love of money
People don't care who they hurt or beat

For the love of money
A woman will sell her precious body

For a small piece of paper it carries a lot of weight
Oh, that mean, mean, mean, mean, mean green

Written by: ArsenioALembertJr, 8 Aug 2008 6:41 PM
From: United States, (on Sabbatical)
Almighty Dollar!

Cash Money

For the love of money
People will lie, rob, they will cheat

For the love of money
People don't care who they hurt or beat

For the love of money
A woman will sell her precious body

For a small piece of paper it carries a lot of weight
Oh, that mean, mean, mean, mean, mean green

Almighty Dollar!

Talkin' bout, talkin' bout - cash

I know that money is the root of all evil
Do funny things to some people

Give me a nickel, brother can you spare a dime
Money can drive some people out of their minds

For the love of money
No good, no good, no good

For the love of money
Don't sell ya soul for the money - no, no

For the love of money
Lay down, lay down - women will

Money is the root of all evil
Do funny things to some people

Give me a nickel, brother can you spare a dime
Money can drive some people out of their minds

For the love of money
Got to have it - I really need it

Written by: ArsenioALembertJr, 8 Aug 2008 6:42 PM
From: United States, (on Sabbatical)
For the love of money
Got to have it - I really need it

For the love of money
Give it up, give it up, give it up - yeah

For the love of money
Got to have it - some people really need it

For the love of money
Give me, give me, give me - cash money

For the love of money
I need - I need

For the love of money
Keep me, keep me, keep me - happy

For the love of money
For the love of money
How many days have I heard ya say

For the love of money
Don't let it, don't let it - don't let money rule ya

For the love of money
How many days have I heard ya say

For the love of money
Don't let it, don't let it - don't let it, don't let money fool you, no

For the love of money
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

For the love of money
Got to have it - I really need it

Don't do it - don't do it

Brother - save ya soul - save ya soul - don't sell it
For that mean, mean, mean, mean green

People, don't let money, don't let money change you

Almighty Dollar!

I keep
Written by: ArsenioALembertJr, 8 Aug 2008 6:46 PM
From: United States, (on Sabbatical)
keep ah tellin' you
People, don't let money, don't let money change you

Almighty Dollar!

Um, 'cause it'll keep on changing - yeah- changing up your mind

It'll keep on - it'll keep on - changing - yeah - changing up your mind

I'm tellin' y'all
People, don't let money, don't let money change you

Almighty Dollar!

I keep ah tellin' y'all
People, don't let money, don't let money change you

Almighty Dollar!

Yeah - 'cause it'll keep on changing - yeah - changing up your mind

It'll keep on changing - yeah - changing up your mind

I'm tellin' y'all
People, don't let money, don't let money change you

Almighty Dollar!


--The OJays
Written by: ABR23, 8 Aug 2008 7:27 PM
From: Puerto Rico
Well, can anyone, tell me, point, indicate, any place (country, region), environment (school, work), where the drug problem has deminished in the last 20 years. In NYC you here well this area has less drugs. It was economics that made the poor people move out for yuppies (WHO SNORT INDOORS) and $400K apartments. None of the projects have less drugs.
They have conferences on "spin class" how to make the drug problem not seem as bad. Colombia did not reduce their drug exports, they diversified to heroin, same bulk higher price.
They got their killings and kidnappings organized.
Better pay for cops ?. Hey that is like buying new uniforms for a last place ball team. Did they play better? No, they just looked better, as they played badly.
Every police department is reflective of the society it represents. Have you looked around the DR lately.
YOU PAY PEANUTS YOU GET MONKEYS, IF YOU DO NOT PAY ENOUGH THEY WILL TRY TO FIND PEANUTS ON THEIR OWN, OR STEAL THEM FROM OTHER MONKEYS.
Written by: chillaxin201 This user is banned, 8 Aug 2008 9:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
Written by: gouletcolonial, 8 Aug 2008 8:20 AM
From: Canada
Let this be a lesson to you Dread to behave yourself......Are you sure you were not in Bani last weekend ?

due you take everything as a joke, this shows you that Leonel is a joke
Written by: chillaxin201 This user is banned, 8 Aug 2008 9:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
Written by: whatever, 8 Aug 2008 8:47 AM
From: Dominican Republic
What about this news at dr1 forum? :A another Brit was arrested for allegedly running a child prostitution network in Puerto Plata.
http://www.puertoplatadigital.com....8/fiscalapresainglesdedicadoa.htm

I call for Capital punishment, I say if they are caught then we should through then in the water with the sharks
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Aug 2008 10:09 PM
From: United States
Mr Arsenio Lamberti, allow me to be the first to offer my respects to you for an exceptional array of insights. i have said the same things many a time and oft, albeit not so eloquently, nor with such passion. but i have railed against these foreigners ( even though i am not dominican), who seek to destroy the little moral fabric left in this country. all these brigades of folks from North America are not here for the weather. they are not here because they like Dominicans, or they would not exercise every strategy to insulate themselves from them. too many of them are here to exploit people, which they cannot do in their homeland. some less than intelligent Dominicans welcome them with open arms, saying that they are here to INVEST, and to provide jobs and accelerate the economy. if this is so, how is it that so many Euros own so many brothels, are involved in internet pornography, prostitution , and pedophilia? call me xenophobic if you will, but it is time to follow the lead
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Aug 2008 10:10 PM
From: United States
of the english speaking caribbean and put a leash on these lizards. Dominicans often tend to see these people as being better than they are, because they have caucasoid features!!
Written by: chillaxin201 This user is banned, 8 Aug 2008 10:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3glSMNAgwqg


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Written by: chillaxin201 This user is banned, 8 Aug 2008 10:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Aug 2008 10:10 PM
From: United States
of the english speaking caribbean and put a leash on these lizards. Dominicans often tend to see these people as being better than they are, because they have caucasoid features!!


not the people posted about, but a lot
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Aug 2008 10:55 PM
From: United States
chill, that is one animated dude! i thought that at any moment he was going to rupture an artery and gush blood all over the set!
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Aug 2008 9:21 AM
From: United States
it's 2.44 am, and carbelk 99 has just finished his double stint flipping burgers at Checkers. the grease fumes have made him dazed and dizzy, but he is determined to make it home to the laptop he rented from Rent a Center. he has a thought in his head which he simply has to expel, because of the discomfort he experiences when ideas enter his cranium. so, predictably, the deranged social Darwinist returns from time to time, to give us the benefit of his rancid musings, trying all the while to conceal the fact that he is a complete cretin. but alas and alack, he fails, and we know what we always suspected; Carbelk 99 is an unrepentant jackass, a rampaging semi-literate, and just a plain fool
Written by: ArsenioALembertJr, 9 Aug 2008 9:42 AM
From: United States, (on Sabbatical)
Written by: dreadlocks, 8 Aug 2008 10:10 PM:
so many Euros own so many brothels, are involved in internet pornography, prostitution , and pedophilia? call me xenophobic if you will, but it is time to follow the lead of the english speaking caribbean and put a leash on these lizards. Dominicans often tend to see these people as being better than they are, because they have caucasoid features!!
Whal-ONNN, nah Bredah.
I went (was sent) to a boarding school in Jamaica back in 1969, and many Jamaicans treated me with disdain, and frankly I'm surprised that I was able to survive; Were it not for my fierce determination not to give in to their deep seated hatred (my know them tings de no man, cho!), and the help of some white Bahamians, brown Bahamians, white Jamaicans, and good Christian Jamaicans; Bredah: Those "Bongo-nya's wanted to gimme a telephone call cut pon m'fiesce.
So don't mix DR issues with your West Indian stuff. I know the difference. That English WI stuff don't sail.
Written by: ArsenioALembertJr, 9 Aug 2008 9:56 AM
From: United States, (on Sabbatical)
P.S. This was a "Christian" School, yet the Rude boys, and the Marroons, were so feisty. They hated and resented my presence and never let me forget it. I was 15, man, a boy, and they wanted to kill me. In town, the sm thing, man. Madeville was no joke, even in 1969. So, mi bredah....Run that on some one else! Ok?
I understand that the white swine are just that. I'm well aware of their deviant apettites, how they turn out little girls into prostitutes, and sodomize little boys. They deserve to be locked up for life, not 30 years. However, the whole world is welcomed in my country, which is good. But, for the sake of making a buck: You can't allow all the riff-raff to wash up on one's shores; Which is my constant dilemma. Weed out the scalawags, and send them back. If you don't have a trade or job, get out! It has nothing to do with higher wages for cops. We'll never be able to compete with what a briber pays a crooked cop, partner. DR's favor whites; Not me! Masa
Written by: ArsenioALembertJr, 9 Aug 2008 10:18 AM
From: United States, (on Sabbatical)
Darío José Atencio Vargas, “El Don,” alleged head of the other six men shot dead in Ojo de Agua:
Did you see this mug's face?
Is that the face of a tycoon foreign investor?
Is that a caucasian featured guy?
Would you buy a used car from this mug?
If you were an Immigration Officer in Madascar, and this fellow showed up at your counter; Would you think he's there to open up a strip mall? Would $200 for your favorite cause do you?
That's the face of a criminal, only a mother could love, or be fooled by: "I didn't kill her, I swear, Mom!"
Common sense is all it takes, and apparently it's been preempted by need for money. Here's a fifty; Can you look the other way???
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 9 Aug 2008 11:16 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
there is a lot on that plate .....but I am not going to touch it today
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Aug 2008 12:25 PM
From: United States
i have no idea what you are saying is the cause of any maltreatment you received at the hands of jamaicans, whether it was xenophobia, ignorance, or just rank indiscipline and stupidity. i am inclined to attribute it to the latter. in 1972 , i left a good job at United Artists to take a job teaching school in jamaica. i had to give up in two years. kids would be smoking on the porch entrance to the school, in open defiance of the rules. the uncontrolled vulgarity of even the girls amazed me, and the aura of impending violence was just too much to bear. the outside society was not a tranquil one such as Barbados, but every punk had a switchblade or a ratchet knife, and students would use it on teachers without much provacation. two years of that environment frayed my nerves to the degree that i had no option to quit. but i do not see the relevance of our equally miserable experiences in that country to the statements i posted. maybe you were just waiting for an opportunity
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Aug 2008 12:29 PM
From: United States
to speak your piece regarding the english speaking caribbean, which you seem to disdain. you are not unique in the respect of being treated badly, but, if you are a man with caucasian features, i can assure you that that was not the cause. i am a black man, and i can assure you that they would have kicked my ass as quickly as they would have kicked yours.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 9 Aug 2008 12:47 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Dread it is with interest I listen to your story,having crossed swords with you at various times on similar subjects ....I look forward to comparing notes from both sides of the schoolyard so to speak....I am sure we can learn a lot....talk to you later
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Aug 2008 5:02 PM
From: United States
Goulet, it is obvious that Arsenio has a deep seated issue with the british caribbean peoples, and could not pass up an opportunity to vent his rage and declare his disdain. this also showed up in the forum, where he lashed out . you see, the world is shrinking, and i believe that petty hatreds between people of little islands ,within spitting distance of each other, is counterproductive. what he fails to concede is that any uncivilised behavior which he experienced was at the hand of people who do not know any better. when a girl in the DR gets money from gringos by telling them that their mother is sick, and produces a year old prescription, i ascribe that to a lack of upbringing, and do not suggest that behavior like that is what i expect from Arsenio, because he too is Dominican. bad, uncivilised behavior knows no ancestral home: it is a product of how your family raised you!! and i refuse to accept the notion that there are no decent people in the english speaking territories!!!
Written by: dreadlocks, 9 Aug 2008 5:09 PM
From: United States
you see, GC, i am a guy who likes to believe that the glass is half full. in his case, he offers that he managed to survive the ordeal because of the support of decent people.well, in my case, i focus on those types. the crud i try to forget, because they only serve to fill me with negative feelings, which do nobody any good. i have been exposted to the worst, racist treatment in New York, but have also met some of the finest people i have ever known there too. so, do i just blow off america and tell americans to kiss my butt?
Written by: ArsenioALembertJr, 11 Aug 2008 1:53 AM
From: United States, (on Sabbatical)
Never once had I mentioned anything about BWIA. If you are one of the Riff_Raff, and the nomenclature fits. That's your problem. This is Domican Today; Not Antigua, or St. Vincent, or Nevis Today> You follow me, Man? That's my point. I responded to you comment about, how you Brit WI had it together. That's all! Not to begin a island rivalry. This is not a Sorrel and Bun and Cheese Forum. It's a Mabi, y Casabe, one. That's all I'm saying. There's no need for those island folklore lessons. There's a time and place for everything under the sun. Just that this West Indian wisdom you try to insert in this venue is unwarranted, and out of context. DR are all colors, and not hung up with being black. You come from a place where 90% are black, that's your biz. We in DR have a multi-racial identity. Not Afro-Centric!

-------------------West Indian Pride Parade in Hartford, CT:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/10....gion/10hartford.html?ref=nyregion
Written by: dreadlocks, 11 Aug 2008 12:30 PM
From: United States
actually, Arsenio, defence of one's country from the ill effects of foreigners is not a color issue, unless you choose to make it one. at no point in my post did i assert that the peoples of the other islands protect their countries because they are black. the United States of America is probably the most multi-ethnic society on earth, yet there is probably no other country which takes more robust steps to ensure that people do not bring detrimental initiatives into their society. i make mention of the fact that the " bun and cheese " societies, as you characterise them, do not allow foreigner, of any stripe, to destroy the fabric of the society. true it is that with time, all the island are being caught up in the international drug and money laundering webs. it is a matter of degrees. and to make the dictate that this is a dominican forum is a point which escapes me. it is a part of the internet, an international phenomenon and entity. people from all over the world are going
Written by: dreadlocks, 11 Aug 2008 12:33 PM
From: United States
to express opinions. if that serves to molest your sensitivities, then you might want to ask the principals of the forum to amend the name to Dominicans Only Today, or Dominican Today: English West Indians Not Welcome To Post.
Written by: dreadlocks, 11 Aug 2008 3:31 PM
From: United States
a further aside, Arsenio: you might want to remind posters that this is a Dominican Forum, dedicated to Dominican issues. have them refrain from criticising Fidel Castro, Chavez, George Bush, Cheney, and just about everything else. and, most assuredly, remind your fellow Dominicans in the United States that they should not express any negative opinions thereof.
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