they need to send a least 7000 men at there before is to late. god help us I do not want to see that happens but if is does i will not return to the dr while all those haitians are there. just look at what have they done to their own country and that is exactly what awaits us if they make it through the border.

Bernies:

Is going to happen with the current goverment that don't care and are a bunch of P.....S
that don't have "Cojones", if you need an example look at the president.....

Need more landmines !!!

i think is time for me to make a trip to the border and do something for my country!!!!!

All the wierdos are gathering over here....come one and all

Sounds like all the right-wingers got together, and still could not come-up with a humane solution to this problem. Here is a suggestion. Instead of spending all these resources into defending the border from an invasion of REFUGEES, why not take those same resources and setup relief programs AWAY from the boder so that people will not be attracked to come there.

That accomplishes two things, maybe more, 1) gets people away from the border area; and 2) we help these people who are in terrible need...

correction... DT means A SECOND EXODUS of Haitians pouring into DR... There are already more than 2 million of them in our country!!!!

I´m not even going to make any suggestions how we can help Haiti, because all that will happen is some stupid comments by another few stupid racists. You guys make me sick with your posts full of hate...

Once again will emphasize my points of view, PLD cabinet and the president are a bunch of P.....S, weak, feminine group of individuals and scare of facing reality like men.

oh you mean the American invaders? start by kicking out the canadians who are slowly stealing our gold and nickle.

To badoria23: Us Americans have done a lot for DR. Why do you consider us invaders? We have provided jobs for poor Dominicans and Haitians. Currently we are in Haiti alongside the United Nations helping that country rebuild. It will take decades for Haiti to stabilize but eventually it will. Without American intervention and investments DR would have been just as bad as Haiti. We have to work hand in hand to improve the entire island.

To badoria23: Us Americans have done a lot for DR. Why do you consider us invaders? We have provided jobs for poor Dominicans and Haitians. Currently we are in Haiti alongside the United Nations helping that country rebuild. It will take decades for Haiti to stabilize but eventually it will. Without American intervention and investments DR would have been just as bad as Haiti. We have to work hand in hand to improve the entire island.

tell it like it is Doc

baboria23: Go around tell that to the locals waiting for money from familey menbers in the US.

balboria23: Go around tell that to the locals waiting for money from familey menbers in the US.

Babosoria23...has many problems and sometimes explodes in anger.... then he takes his ritalin and he is ok.....isnt that right mojoncito

I was trying to proof a point on the biased nature of the above comments. Next time I'll be more explicit. If we're talking about kicking out invaders, then we should not play favorites that's all ;-)

Plus, the U.S. helping the DR and Haiti... do you really think there are no strings attached? or that the U.S. is not partially to blame for the current state of the DR & Haiti? Just go back to the 1960s and try to decipher the effect of U.S. foreign policy on the DR. Moreover, look at the amount of resources and/or U.S. interests in the DR, and then ask yourself if the U.S. is doing all it does out of kindness, guilt or self-interest. Just look at DR-CAFTA, do you really think that DR-Cafta is "A step away from clientelism" or what in Int'l Relations theory is called a neo-liberal instrument for the U.S. to maintain an imperial hold on the caribbean basin...

I propose to you to look at the whole picture, take a humane approach to dealing with people, all people.

It's easy to be reactionary and paint w/ broad stroaks, as I tried to do with my comment on the U.S. invaders, but the reality is much more nuanced. My only goal is to push you all to think beyond the obvious, to go beyond racist & nationalist - and yes, sometimes nationalism can be racism; i.e. American Nativism movement btw 1880-1965. I firmly belive that "We are called to make a better Country." It is a hope that people will start seeing and treating eachother as Human beings and not as commodities or dehumanized objects.

there are so many people on this blog that resort to insults and assanine comments. These people are counter productive and should really be censored. I feel we should kick people out, specifically talking about GC. All the other right wingers, at least present their comments and are respectful, for the most part. GC is systematically lowering the quality of this blog and should be reprimanded or even excluded from posting.

Enough is enough, we're tired of your flith, GC. Your misanthropic nature comes across your comments. Your disdane for discourse and exchanges are clear. I just fear for the people around you that actually have to put up with you. Jesus man, you are a sad human! You must have experience much abuse to hate others so much and to show such lack of respect. I can go on debasing myself talking to you, or lower myself using your same crass language. But then it would be counter productive to the call of "creating a better union."

PEOPLE - be hopeful and be inspired. If we all work at it, we can all help "create a better union." We don't need to be constrained to the mistakes of the past, nor by the reactionaries of the present who are too comfortable and fight against any change that would threaten their well-being. We need to fight for everyone's wellbeing. Specially our most vulnerable.

Be inspired to change the world, even if it's by showing kindness to one person at a time.

PEOPLE - be hopeful and be inspired. If we all work at it, we can all help "create a better union." We don't need to be constrained to the mistakes of the past, nor by the reactionaries of the present who are too comfortable and fight against any change that would threaten their well-being. We need to fight for everyone's wellbeing. Specially our most vulnerable.

Be inspired to change the world, even if it's by showing kindness to one person at a time.

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AMEN

thank you for your support Baldy....these comments coming from you are very rewarding....I am basking in a warm glow....Remember it is people like your self who claim to know better than the rest and who will make our decisions for us who are the real menace....Free speech is only for the WWW of which you Baldy are a founding member.....So just press on and try to say something constructive

Babosoria23 says "I can go on debasing myself talking to you, or lower myself using your same crass language. ".......how low can you go.......lower than a snakes belly......lower than a limbo dancer...Baldy you are already there ....I can see you rounding everybody up when you take over....." Do you have documents " " Your papers "....you will make it a better world ...I am inspired

GC - you don't even make sense. Please stop embarrising yourself. and I know it's hard for you, but try to spell my name correctly. You're just proving my point of your crass tactics. can't you see that? It's like telling someone "you speak too loudly", and to try to disprove the point they yell even louder. If you have a point, make it, then we can move on.

Oh, freedom of speech is essential, insulting others and spreading hate is not. There's a difference. But again, someone who only sees the world in simple terms can't tell the nuanced difference.

I am so happy I have you here to tell us the difference.....please protect us....O grand wizard

you are so nuanced ....o great teller of all truths

Obama is what has you so hot Baldy this a post of what he will do after he gets beat like an Iraqi prisoner in November .. maybe he can have Charley Rangels old office he wont be needing it soon.....and you may not have heard the last of Hillybilly if "Plugs the Plagiarist" keeps screwing up or if the Obamanable snow jobs poll numbers dont get better....besides that food at Slyvias will give him a coronary

Baldy I told you this before "you went full retard"........"Never go full retard"

Because of the lack of cooperation of the Dominicans with the Haitians, all the aid efforts are now coming directly from the United States into Haiti. Food, water, tarps, the millions of dollars that are going to be spent by the international community in the rebuilding of Haiti-- all that will be spent in the United States-- even though all the stuff is right here in Santo Domingo.

I have never seen a people who were so completely disinterested in their own economic and environmental preservation. It must come from all those maps here which do not show Haiti. Makes you think that you live alone on an island.

D.R shouldn’t be responsible for rescuing Haiti from their never-ending struggle.
How long is it been since the Haitian Republic was a stable and prosperous one?
Is a historical fact that the Haitian people does not care about their own country so why should we. As Dominicans have our own cross to carry, we are not a fully developed country. That is why it strike me as naïve the opinion of many here who think that Dominicans & Haitians TOGETHER can resolve the lack of government in Haiti.
Only Haitians can do that, with our assistance of course.

ok, lets engage in a tought experiment. If our neighbor (the people whoes house is next to ours) is in trouble, should we help? if one sees an accident, should we run and lend a hand? if we someone hungry, should we try to help? You can assume all these people are Dominicans.

Please answer, and tell us WHY you answer in such a way.

Bill Ayers is a rich kid, the all-is-forgiven prodigal son of the late former chairman of the board of Commonwealth Edison, Chicago’s electric utility. (Tom Ayers, who died last year, was noted for his liberal activism and corporate largesse.) His is not even the leftism of a lumpenproletarian, but rather the luxury leftism of a self-hating beneficiary of capitalism. It makes him a target for populism as well as patriotism, confirming the impression that too many Democrats are elitist as well as radical — biters of the hand that has lavishly fed them.

I am bitter and mean about this because I am disappointed, and can’t allow myself to practice wishful self-deception. I would have loved to see someone like Obama elected. But I see now that even if I could bring myself to vote for him, a majority of Americans will not. It has nothing to do with his race (although it will give ideal cover to the remnant for whom race does matter).

Americans were ready to elect him. They just won’t elect anyone President who has demonstrable long, strong radical-left ties.in other words we dont want wacko lefties like you baldy....you went full retard ...never go full retard

open the border. black peolpe has the same right as the catholic (DR) church. the vatican of the americas.

It is not the average Haitian (poor or middle class) who do not care about their country. Actually, most Haitians are very nice, if you take time to get to know them. Of course, some of them are criminals just like some Dominicans are criminals. But the problem of Haiti is really the government. Lack of leadership and corruption. Haiti is like any third world country like Africa. Once they get into power, they get money hungry. They steal from the treasury and from international aid. They build themselves mansions. Send their kids to private schools in France etc... In addition, Haiti also has a drug cartel. Check out this pic of a mansion built in Haiti by a Haitian drug kingpin. The DEA arrested him. http://www.wehaitians.com/drug%20kingpin.html
Some Haitians are ligit businessmen. Pic of mansion of a serious legit business person: http://www.4321.co.il/property/property.asp?p=47676&name=Haiti

Baldoria, Haiti is always in trouble! Haiti had more than 300 Coup d'etat in their history! Their only properous times were with Lescot (1940's) and during the French administration. Haiti has spent their lifetime in kingdoms, overthrowing governments, invading DR, and dictatorships (which they need!). Haiti has 9 million people of which 7 million are poor and they are reproducing at a rate of 2.8 % annually. Haiti is eternally destined to fail and DR can't even contemplate to look West. The only option left is for DR to protect itself from the spill over or it will be drag down the same pit that made HAiti into a hell!!

My previous post referred to a link of the arrest of a drug lord. If you look carefully, it states an approximately 78 million dollars (2002) bribe given to government officials by the Haitian drug cartel. That 78 million is only a fraction of the money the DEA found that was given to government officials. Government officials in Haiti are too busy getting rich to take care of the economy and its people. In the recents hurricanes, they did not even bother evacuating. Lots of investors have contemplated doing projects in Haiti which would have improved the infrastructure and created jobs. However, government officials always ask for bribe money to release permits, etc... Therefore, most investors became disgusted with Haiti and went somewhere else, namely DR.

It sounds radical, but if the haitian gov. is being such a pain in the backside as you put, Docpeters, then the international community would do well in disbanding it ASAP and take the role of governing the country directly, for all our sakes. As the old saying goes: "Muerto el perro, se acabó la rabia".

To Greenwave: You are correct about the incredible amount of coups in Haiti. I would like to add that Haiti was also successful for conducting a successful slave revolution, becoming the first black republic in the western hemisphere, freeing slaves in the Dominican Republic, helping Venezuela becoming independent, and influencing other slave holding nations to free their slaves. Haiti was successful from about 1791 to about 1850. From 1915-1934, the U.S. occupied Haiti and built most of its infrastructure. In 1937, the government of Haiti was so corrupted that it did nothing after the genocide of 30,000 Haitians by Trujillo. Haiti at the time had a strong army and like most nations should have gone to war against DR but instead the president of Haiti, government officials and army generals accepted bribe money from Trujillo to forget about the massacre. In the 1940's, President Lescot opened the country to investors. Here is a video clip:

I salute each and every blogger. I think some comments are without merit while some need to be outlined here. I thank the dominican people for their support in dire moments like this and I want to let the distractors know that Hatians appreciate the hospitality that we've been forcing them to provide us with. It saddens one to say it Haitians don't really go to DR to mess it up those are life seekers workers merchants students and persecuted people who fear for their lives who run away from the lack of national institutions and rigged government officials.It's also hard for the dominicans to accept to be squeezed in their own land by what they perceive west poor and ignorant peasants from the other side that make them intolerant. But good things can come out of it they lear your langauge they dance your music they work in your farms lay the bric and blocs they will do all kind of non acceptable jobs by national dominicans for what they never have back home.

While the right and duty to defend your borders you could always do it humanely. Haiti is your neigbor and will always be. Haitians need to better smart on the other end, they should be more intelligent in choosing who should be their leaders until they do so Haiti will not see stability, and sustainable development will not occur for there no real investment in infrastructure, in education and health system. We don't want and can not blame one for its success; Dominican success is our success as well as Haitian success is yours. Do you see the burden because too many poor haitians are coming your way. let's imagine a Haiti like the Bahamas where at least there is something for the haitians to do, no violence. no unrest it would have benn the whole island like paradise since one source can't produce two different waters we are left to correct a problem with a join solution.

OH my GOD, now I understand what's going on with some of you Dominican, maybe Haiti is going trhough a bad situation now and this is the only way that we could have seen what kind of thinking going through your little undevelopped brain...For history, we gave you freedom and a nationality we occupied your country in 1822 for decades,when your fathers couldn't rule the land we gave them...Haiti is the first black nation of the world,and the one who create liberty and banish slavery. we help Simon Bolivar fight slavery in the latin America, we'r not a little nation. We wasn`t always like that. We changed the face of the world and this s the result of our dare.Fidel Castro have been raised by an Haitian Family. You haters...Thanks God not all the Dom. thinks like some of you. I wish next time before you talk about Haiti do some research if you know how. MAY GOD BLESS YOU,AND CHANGE YOUR HEART.

Haiti is truly an inspiration, and her people need our help now more than ever. So instead of focusing on the negative as an EXCUSE to justify racism and xenophobia, lets be more humane in dealing with our neighbor. A healthy Haiti means more business with the DR, less expenses in over-zealous security, and less misery overall.

THe only down-side of helping Haiti develop is that it would take money away from mega-projects like the Metro. I can live with that. One human life is worth more than a million metros!!!

your quote is from your hero
A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.
Joseph Stalin

The only problem with Haiti is all the Haitians, The DR needs a good dose of "manifest destiny" After all it allowed the US to solve the "indian problem" Now we have a west coast AND casinos in Mississippi !

If anyone needed proof of the idiocy of some people on this blog, PB just provided it. Who in their right mind would call for a genocide?

PB, what are you smoking??? EVERY human life is precious and worth saving.

Just because one is drawing breath , shitting and eating doesn't mean they bring anything to the table...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_of_war_to_the_death

Here's a little tidbit on how your beloved Simon Bolivar would have handled it.

well PB, you're living proof of "Just because one is drawing breath , shitting and eating doesn't mean they bring anything to the table..." But guess what, you are a person, and with that you have inaliable econmoic, political, cultural, environmental and social rights.

One thing that our societies, based on power relations and oppressed-oppressor relations, is that we dehuminized the oppressed to be seen as a commodity, as an object that feels nothing, and therefore can be disposed as an object. But guess what, in dehuminizing the oppressed, the oppressors also dehumanized themselves! Part of being human is recognizing the humanity of the other.

Read some Paulo Freire who has articulated this much better than I can even dream of doing. You can start with "Pedagogy of the Oppressed." Maybe after you read that you may realize the tremendous error of your mentality.

But then again, maybe you may be too afraid to challenge your current thought process.

I am not denying anyones "humanity" But see no intrinsic value in a useless corrupt group of helpless individuals which need to be "farmed" by those who are succsessful and focused enough to feed and clothe themselves. Where will the "aid" rainbow merry go-round end. The Haitians and for that matter most of the African continent breed a population they are incapable of sustaining by their own means. Thus creating the self fufilling prophesy of refugees and civil strife.

P.S. the only thing "inaliable" in this world is what you will fight to keep, Laying on ones @ss and allowing another to secure your economic,social,pollitical or enviromental anything entitles you to NOTHING

Well, PB, I respect your views, but on what are you basing all this? It's not on Liberal political theory? Maybe it's a Hobbsian approach? Sounds like a Hitler-esque argument. But I digress, PB, what if the situation that the oppressed are suffering through right now was caused by others? Would not these others have some responsibility in helping out? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE read "under-development" by Andre Gunder Frank. But before then, go ahead and read Freire.

Lastly, if you really think that only the strong will survive, what type of society do you think we'll create? And what will happen when someone stronger will come after you? Don't you realize that we're stronger when working together than when working against eachother? If you are truly in Afghanistan, you can see what's happening there with the Taliban trying to topple the government. They're seem to be strong, should they come back into power? If you're with the military, which you may be, how effective do you

The Taliban arn't really that strong in the true since of the word, they are merly a loosely organized group of women beating child rapist, unfourtunatly in this part of the world the culture gives credence to their perversions as virtue. We "I mean western civilization " will eventually decimate them and their ilk but it is and will remain an intergenerational effort.
You raise a valid point some one bigger and meaner is always a threat, The only solution is to remain the biggest meanest bastard at the dance.
I'll look into the reading as it sounds interesting. I am also looking forward to wearing my Col. Sanders suit and presiding over my Plantain / yucca / Jatroba farm so I will be doing my part for the expat Haitian community in the DR :)
Sometimes I play a bit of the devil's advocate to get Ol' Bellyache spun up and Dread expects it of me I dare not disappoint :)

ha ha.. fair enough, at least you don't resort to name calling like some other people...

Keep up the posts. Good dialogue is always welcomed, even opposing points.