Wilton Guerrero in the Armed Forces Ministry. Photo El Nuevo Diario.
SANTO DOMINGO.- A National Drugs Control Agency (DNCD) team investigates the whereabouts of almost 1,300 kilos of cocaine and an undetermined amount of dollars taken from the house where seven Colombians were executed in Paya, Baní (south).
Yesterday DNCD president Gilberto Delgado Valdez said Police, narcotics and Justice Ministry investigators look for the drug shipment and the money, as well as in the identification of the killers. “All agents who are involved will be arrested and orosecuted. We recently caught two Navy officers,” he said, but didn’t identify them.
The DNCD yesterday changed the Regional commanders of the North, Northeast, Santiago, South and San Francisco divisions, and reinstated as inspector in Baní Police major Oscar Tejeda Báez, one of the few officials whom according to senator Wilton Gerrero did a good job agaisnt drugs in the zone and who directed the agency in San Francisco, a city highly affected by drug trafficking.
Senator Wilton Guerrero requests protection
Yesterday Peravia province Senator Wilton Guerrero visited the Armed Forces Ministry to request protection, and met with its chief, Pedro Rafael Peña.
Written by: juanb, 4 Sep 2008 9:13 AM
From: Dominican Republic
And when they find it they will have some party.
You know if instead of wasting all the government income on wasteful projects and appointments to jobs with big salaries and no responsibility, if the government gave a substantial raise (I mean substantial, like 8000RD per month raise) maybe; A) These same policemen would not have to spend their time figuring out how to extort money from the pueblo. They could then, instead, try to do something about the crime that is so rampant, and B) they would now have a real income that they would be afraid of losing and would be less inclined to take part in criminal acts.
And no, I am not using drugs.
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
That is almost 2 1/2 tons of cocaine, how on earth could you just steal it without a truck and a few more people. I hope they catch every last one and make an example of them in the harshest manner allowed by Dominican Law.
Written by: BASTA, 4 Sep 2008 9:45 AM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs
Yes the NYC police, firemen and housing inspectors make good money with benifits and there is still corruption!
Written by: skysail, 4 Sep 2008 9:57 AM
From: Holy See (Vatican City)
Written by: texasshoe, 4 Sep 2008 9:13 AM
From: United States, Houston
That is almost 2 1/2 tons of cocaine, how on earth could you just steal it without a truck and a few more people. I hope they catch every last one and make an example of them in the harshest manner allowed by Dominican Law.
That makes 1.3 Tons .
Written by: Jander, 4 Sep 2008 10:06 AM
From: Dominican Republic
"Yes the NYC police, firemen and housing inspectors make good money with benifits and there is still corruption!"
On top of that they all are licensed to kill! what a world we live,in some of the ones we hire to protect us are our enenmies. But at least the majority are in it for the right reason..
Written by: juanb, 4 Sep 2008 10:08 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Basta:
Are you comparing the level of corruption in NYC with that of the DR? Don't you believe, as I do that fear of jail and fines keep most people, including the police, honest? Does anyone here who is "connected" fear those things?
Written by: ABR23, 4 Sep 2008 10:22 AM
From: Puerto Rico
The problem is beyond money. Better pay and better benefits will not change the mindset of Dominicans, be they civilians or military.
The country like many in the 3rd world has an enourmous ethical problem. Lawyers, Doctors, Cops, Engineers. They all lack ethics, in construction, in medicine, in notary/justice.
Let's face it this is not just the PN and military it is the people/culture.
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
skysail,
your right, my bad-1300 kilos x 2.2 lbs. = 2860 pounds, but still how in the heck to you load up and move that quantity AFTER shooting the place to pieces and nobody saw it.
Written by: ABR23, 4 Sep 2008 11:32 AM
From: Puerto Rico
Nobody wanted to see it. Sgt. Round up the usual suspects.
Written by: Belial, 4 Sep 2008 12:14 PM
From: United States, Texas
p. 1 of 2
GENERAL:Yeah, we got the 1300K and we're gonna keep it. What ya gonna do about it?
JUSTICE MINISTER:You supposed to give me the 1300K.
GENERAL:No way, Jose. If we gave you the 1300K, you'll give it to the DEA and the DEA will sell the 1300K back to us.
JUSTICE MINISTER: What makes you think I'll give it to the DEA?
GENERAL: What you mean? You gonna sell it to the DEA?
JUSTICE MINISTER:No.
GENERAL:You gonna give it back to the Colombians?
JUSTICE MINISTER:No.
GENERAL:Then what you gonna do?
JUSTICE MINISTER: Just give me the 1300K and shut up.
GENERAL: You don't understand. You gonna get yourself killed. To move1300K, you need drug-crazy USA or the EU. See? But the DEA wants its cut and the Colombians want their stuff back. See? If we or you try to move the 1300K in the USA or the EU, the DEA and the Colombians will find out in seconds. Then bye bye blackbird to the stuff and to our people.
JUSTICE MINISTER:Then what you gonna do with it?
Written by: Belial, 4 Sep 2008 12:15 PM
From: United States, Texas
p. 2 or 2
JUSTICE MINISTER: Then what you gonna do with it?
GENERAL: Sit back and wait for either the DEA or the Colombians or both to make us an offer. As long as we stay in the DR for 5 or 10 years, we're cool.
JUSTICE MINISTER: You seem to be up on this kind of thing. You're a general, aren't you?
GENERAL: Yeah, in the army and the police. I got two jobs.
JUSTICE MINISTER: What you do?
GENERAL: What you mean?
JUSTICE MINISTER: What's your job?
GENERAL: What you mean?
JUSTICE MINISTER: What do we pay you for?
GENERAL: What you mean?
JUSTICE MINISTER: Never mind.
GENERAL: What you do?
JUSTICE MINISTER: What you mean?
Written by: Juango, 4 Sep 2008 12:20 PM
From: United States, far S. Florida (formerly Santo Domingo)
There is a poor sole amongst the CLAN, who should feel slighted and maybe knows where and who has the money&coke. The Government should just offer a $1,000,000 peso reward and see who "rats" out their partners? This can be accomplished easily and anonomysly. Many ways to do it. But just like the National Electric problem, there are too many interested influencial parties involved who don't want it FIXED.
Written by: Belial, 4 Sep 2008 12:31 PM
From: United States, Texas
"The Government should just offer a $1,000,000 peso reward and see who "rats" out their partners?"
0000
Excellent idea.
But to whom will the rat rat to?
The general?
The justice minister?
Perhaps, the cardinal or media.
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
juanb,
You are correct. I have a sister who is a retired Atlantic City Cop, upon graduation from the academy as a flatfoot patrol officer her and her class mates made $42,000 USD per year or 1.3 million pesos @ 33 per. The way I see things is that in the DR you want to be a cop to shake down your fellow man because it is sort of expected of you. I would immagine that when the police are called for a fight, as in other latin countries one of the first things they ask is "is there any blood, is someone dead" if not you probably never get a response. There is no incentive to uphold the law or protect thier fellow citizens. If there was a chance the would loose that kind of pay---Straight and Narrow it is!!!
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
where is Judge Judy when we need her ?
Written by: juanb, 4 Sep 2008 1:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Belial:
JUSTICE MINISTER: What you do?
GENERAL: What you mean?
JUSTICE MINISTER: What's your job?
GENERAL: What you mean?
JUSTICE MINISTER: What do we pay you for?
GENERAL: What you mean?
JUSTICE MINISTER: Never mind.
GENERAL: What you do?
JUSTICE MINISTER: What you mean?
I have never agreed with you before and probably never will again, but that dialogue is BRILLIANT.
Written by: davinci, 4 Sep 2008 1:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Senador Wilton Guerrero is a true hero, a national treasure! It has been a long time since a man has the guts to fight against the BIG business of drug trafficking. If this senator ever wants to run for President, he has my vote and I will encourage everyone I know to vote for him. Forget about Leonel and his followers. They have only proven that corruption is bigger than their desires.
Written by: Belial, 4 Sep 2008 2:22 PM
From: United States, Texas
"I have never agreed with you before and probably never will again, but that dialogue is BRILLIANT."
oooo
What you mean?
From: United States
I agree, Senator Wilton Guerrero is a true hero. Problem is he knows nothing will be done. Dominican authorities are shameless morons. They are killing their own people with this drug crap.
I do not believe Dominicans are taught morale values.
Look what the US did with the mayor of Detroit. And that was just a sex-scandal and lying in court.
DETROIT (Sept. 4) - Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick pleaded guilty to felony charges Thursday in a sex scandal, forcing him out of office after months of defiantly holding onto his job leading the nation's 11th-largest city. He was ordered jailed for four months and fined $1 million.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Give him Marion Barrys cell
Written by: juanb, 4 Sep 2008 3:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic
What YOU mean?
Written by: Belial, 4 Sep 2008 3:16 PM
From: United States, Texas
"I agree, Senator Wilton Guerrero is a true hero. Problem is he knows nothing will be done. " gmiller261 says with a note of pessimism.
oooo
I hear LF is considering naming Senator Wilton Guerrero the new justice minister.
But will the senator accept the post?
"I do not believe Dominicans are taught morale values," gmiller261 adds rather sweepingly.
This is not about "Dominicans." This is about the rotten Dominican bourgeoisie and its imperialist partners which occupy the same ethical and criminal level as the infinitely and indiscriminately avaricious US bourgeoisie.
Like the US people, these "Dominicans" ... about whom you speak ... are only victims of the high and mighty bourgeoisie who strut about pompously on the stage as if they are the "best and brightest."
In reality, this capitalist elite is just trash.
The supreme good and the supreme power reside only in the people, but they lamentably don't know it.
Written by: Belial, 4 Sep 2008 3:24 PM
From: United States, Texas
"I have never agreed with you before and probably never will again, but that dialogue is BRILLIANT."
oooo
I hope you agree with my piece about the capitalist trash, immediately above, and find it enlightening, too.
Written by: juanb, 4 Sep 2008 4:04 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Not at all.
But the dialogue was still remarkably clever.
Written by: ABR23, 4 Sep 2008 6:12 PM
From: Puerto Rico
The lack of ethics applies to all in the country. Burgois, Government, poor, rich, military, cvilian, private and government employees.
If all do it no one has the upper hand. It is not relevant who taught them, the fact is they do it.
Falsify, immigration documents, marriages, divorces, sale of illegal properties, doctors cheat and maim patients with surgery. Attorney's who conjur to steal private property. baseball players ages (even little league). Vehicles with Gov plates on personal cars, no vehicle inspection, they had to go to 1 plate to avoid using the rear plate on other vehicles. Insurance companies who charge and sell no or voided coverage. Aircraft with expired inspections (FAA got that fixed). Agriculture inspectors who do not inspect. Exterminators with watered down liquids (Oh, me confundi de lata, tiene $200 pesos para comprar mas Bygon).
That is an example of lack of ethics in the entire public. You always have to be awake por que te van a joder.
Written by: ABR23, 4 Sep 2008 6:37 PM
From: Puerto Rico
I stopped near MAcoris and tried to buy a dozen crabs and the guy only gave me ten. Hey was it not $600 for a dozen. Oh, senor that is for the small dozen. They cheat selling you oysters in Boca Chica. Car wash charges for wash and wax, (no wax). They cheat you when you change money on the street. They watch to rob you if you walk out of the bank with money. If they steal your car the Police steals it back for their own use. No one pays electric or water. You can not get your property back from a renter unless you pay him.
WHAT PART OF THERE BEING VERY LITTLE IF ANY ETHICS IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND.
Written by: Belial, 4 Sep 2008 10:22 PM
From: United States, Texas
Those who do drug trafficking, do global warming, and do AIDS indifference are trying to destroy all of us.
Not just make an extra dime or buck they don't deserve in a given deal.
I know, you don't see the difference between losing your life (or the life of your family) and losing a dime.
It's a matter of perceived equivalents.
Customers rip off vendors and vendors rip off customers. Few people presume or believe that the ethical sphere of deals lies entirely within the mean of justice and doesn't overflow into the excess and deficiency. Justice is a kind of average between different and opposing categories -- like vendors and vendees. A given deal may be unjust for this or that side of the deal, but it all works out rather evenly overall.
Rotteness is something else all together.
Written by: Nemo69, 5 Sep 2008 8:25 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Written by: Nemo69, 5 Sep 2008 8:29 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
double post
Written by: Grosero, 5 Sep 2008 9:19 AM
From: United States
This sounds like the New River Cops in Miami...
Oh that's right...The New River Cops became DEA Agents....
All pun aside, that crap is going to ruin the DR, just like it ruined SF...
Written by: Bizc8, 5 Sep 2008 10:30 AM
From: United States
I think ABR23 summed it up best! That is exactly what you breathe day in and day out in the DR. An absolutely sickening, infectious lifestyle that permeates even the most non-porous skin of any righteous.
Dominican society in general would have to reinvent itself before the (very) FEW can influence the vast majority. Sad to say about my own people, but the truth is the truth - duélale a quien le duela!
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You know if instead of wasting all the government income on wasteful projects and appointments to jobs with big salaries and no responsibility, if the government gave a substantial raise (I mean substantial, like 8000RD per month raise) maybe; A) These same policemen would not have to spend their time figuring out how to extort money from the pueblo. They could then, instead, try to do something about the crime that is so rampant, and B) they would now have a real income that they would be afraid of losing and would be less inclined to take part in criminal acts.
And no, I am not using drugs.
From: United States, Houston
That is almost 2 1/2 tons of cocaine, how on earth could you just steal it without a truck and a few more people. I hope they catch every last one and make an example of them in the harshest manner allowed by Dominican Law.
That makes 1.3 Tons .
On top of that they all are licensed to kill! what a world we live,in some of the ones we hire to protect us are our enenmies. But at least the majority are in it for the right reason..
Are you comparing the level of corruption in NYC with that of the DR? Don't you believe, as I do that fear of jail and fines keep most people, including the police, honest? Does anyone here who is "connected" fear those things?
The country like many in the 3rd world has an enourmous ethical problem. Lawyers, Doctors, Cops, Engineers. They all lack ethics, in construction, in medicine, in notary/justice.
Let's face it this is not just the PN and military it is the people/culture.
your right, my bad-1300 kilos x 2.2 lbs. = 2860 pounds, but still how in the heck to you load up and move that quantity AFTER shooting the place to pieces and nobody saw it.
GENERAL:Yeah, we got the 1300K and we're gonna keep it. What ya gonna do about it?
JUSTICE MINISTER:You supposed to give me the 1300K.
GENERAL:No way, Jose. If we gave you the 1300K, you'll give it to the DEA and the DEA will sell the 1300K back to us.
JUSTICE MINISTER: What makes you think I'll give it to the DEA?
GENERAL: What you mean? You gonna sell it to the DEA?
JUSTICE MINISTER:No.
GENERAL:You gonna give it back to the Colombians?
JUSTICE MINISTER:No.
GENERAL:Then what you gonna do?
JUSTICE MINISTER: Just give me the 1300K and shut up.
GENERAL: You don't understand. You gonna get yourself killed. To move1300K, you need drug-crazy USA or the EU. See? But the DEA wants its cut and the Colombians want their stuff back. See? If we or you try to move the 1300K in the USA or the EU, the DEA and the Colombians will find out in seconds. Then bye bye blackbird to the stuff and to our people.
JUSTICE MINISTER:Then what you gonna do with it?
JUSTICE MINISTER: Then what you gonna do with it?
GENERAL: Sit back and wait for either the DEA or the Colombians or both to make us an offer. As long as we stay in the DR for 5 or 10 years, we're cool.
JUSTICE MINISTER: You seem to be up on this kind of thing. You're a general, aren't you?
GENERAL: Yeah, in the army and the police. I got two jobs.
JUSTICE MINISTER: What you do?
GENERAL: What you mean?
JUSTICE MINISTER: What's your job?
GENERAL: What you mean?
JUSTICE MINISTER: What do we pay you for?
GENERAL: What you mean?
JUSTICE MINISTER: Never mind.
GENERAL: What you do?
JUSTICE MINISTER: What you mean?
0000
Excellent idea.
But to whom will the rat rat to?
The general?
The justice minister?
Perhaps, the cardinal or media.
You are correct. I have a sister who is a retired Atlantic City Cop, upon graduation from the academy as a flatfoot patrol officer her and her class mates made $42,000 USD per year or 1.3 million pesos @ 33 per. The way I see things is that in the DR you want to be a cop to shake down your fellow man because it is sort of expected of you. I would immagine that when the police are called for a fight, as in other latin countries one of the first things they ask is "is there any blood, is someone dead" if not you probably never get a response. There is no incentive to uphold the law or protect thier fellow citizens. If there was a chance the would loose that kind of pay---Straight and Narrow it is!!!
JUSTICE MINISTER: What you do?
GENERAL: What you mean?
JUSTICE MINISTER: What's your job?
GENERAL: What you mean?
JUSTICE MINISTER: What do we pay you for?
GENERAL: What you mean?
JUSTICE MINISTER: Never mind.
GENERAL: What you do?
JUSTICE MINISTER: What you mean?
I have never agreed with you before and probably never will again, but that dialogue is BRILLIANT.
oooo
What you mean?
I do not believe Dominicans are taught morale values.
Look what the US did with the mayor of Detroit. And that was just a sex-scandal and lying in court.
DETROIT (Sept. 4) - Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick pleaded guilty to felony charges Thursday in a sex scandal, forcing him out of office after months of defiantly holding onto his job leading the nation's 11th-largest city. He was ordered jailed for four months and fined $1 million.
oooo
I hear LF is considering naming Senator Wilton Guerrero the new justice minister.
But will the senator accept the post?
"I do not believe Dominicans are taught morale values," gmiller261 adds rather sweepingly.
This is not about "Dominicans." This is about the rotten Dominican bourgeoisie and its imperialist partners which occupy the same ethical and criminal level as the infinitely and indiscriminately avaricious US bourgeoisie.
Like the US people, these "Dominicans" ... about whom you speak ... are only victims of the high and mighty bourgeoisie who strut about pompously on the stage as if they are the "best and brightest."
In reality, this capitalist elite is just trash.
The supreme good and the supreme power reside only in the people, but they lamentably don't know it.
oooo
I hope you agree with my piece about the capitalist trash, immediately above, and find it enlightening, too.
But the dialogue was still remarkably clever.
If all do it no one has the upper hand. It is not relevant who taught them, the fact is they do it.
Falsify, immigration documents, marriages, divorces, sale of illegal properties, doctors cheat and maim patients with surgery. Attorney's who conjur to steal private property. baseball players ages (even little league). Vehicles with Gov plates on personal cars, no vehicle inspection, they had to go to 1 plate to avoid using the rear plate on other vehicles. Insurance companies who charge and sell no or voided coverage. Aircraft with expired inspections (FAA got that fixed). Agriculture inspectors who do not inspect. Exterminators with watered down liquids (Oh, me confundi de lata, tiene $200 pesos para comprar mas Bygon).
That is an example of lack of ethics in the entire public. You always have to be awake por que te van a joder.
WHAT PART OF THERE BEING VERY LITTLE IF ANY ETHICS IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND.
Not just make an extra dime or buck they don't deserve in a given deal.
I know, you don't see the difference between losing your life (or the life of your family) and losing a dime.
It's a matter of perceived equivalents.
Customers rip off vendors and vendors rip off customers. Few people presume or believe that the ethical sphere of deals lies entirely within the mean of justice and doesn't overflow into the excess and deficiency. Justice is a kind of average between different and opposing categories -- like vendors and vendees. A given deal may be unjust for this or that side of the deal, but it all works out rather evenly overall.
Rotteness is something else all together.
Oh that's right...The New River Cops became DEA Agents....
All pun aside, that crap is going to ruin the DR, just like it ruined SF...
Dominican society in general would have to reinvent itself before the (very) FEW can influence the vast majority. Sad to say about my own people, but the truth is the truth - duélale a quien le duela!