Written by: bernies, 16 Jan 2009 12:46 PM
From: United States, key west fl
oh no not these guys again.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
leonel jumps on the bandwagon what a guy !
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Do they think anybody cares about a bunch of Banana republics jumping on a political issue ...because Chavez promised them some free oil through Danny" the Diddler " Ortega ....this is anti Americanism at its most Cynical ....Hamas and Hizbollah are thrilled
From: Canada
Wow, this headline is hilarious. As if anyone gives a crap what the DR government thinks or says. With it's rife corruption, they are a big nobody on the international stage.
Keep blowing hot air Lie-onel!
From: United States
Oooh... I'm sure they are running scared! Please! Go brush your teeth, and mind your own business! I mean, one thing is to wish that this is resolve, and another thing is for this idiot acting as if he's the king of the world and somebody actually gives a S#$%T as to what he has to say. Dominican Please!
Written by: josean, 16 Jan 2009 1:23 PM
From: United States
'Written by: gouletcolonial, 16 Jan 2009 12:49 PM
From: Puerto Rico, Viejo San Juan Calle Cristo
leonel jumps on the bandwagon what a guy !"
Is he still your guy? (no sexual innuendo meant)
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
Lets recap shall we;
1. Regular Yola runs to escape the DR for other shores resulting in death of you citizens
2. Masacre in Bani of Colombian Nationals that were running a large scale drug operation, with alleged widespread cooperation and knowledge of the military, police and anti-durg agencies.
3. Account Judges voting themselves an arbitrary pay raise which they had no right to do.
4. Judicary Votes themselves a pay raise today, not authorised
5. Sitting Senator, who spends more time in the US practicing medicine now under medicare scrutiny for fraud WHILE collecting his DR senate salary.
6. Regular scheduled yola aircraft flights to parts unknown resulting in death of you citizens acknowledged by Aviation Authorities and Customs
7. Corrupt immigration officials extorting bribes from incoming pasengers at airport
8.Highest paid senators on the planet
9.Rampent theft of electricity
10. Lottery boss donating money illegally to Senators.
Cont.
Written by: winstric, 16 Jan 2009 1:26 PM
From: United States
I think the USA, we the people, needs to withdrawal their $$$$$ from the DR!!!
I think chavez,ortega, hamas,hezabolas,putin,castro and that little puppet in iran,and hell I will
even give you the gov of ILL,USA the one with the bad hair doo. Let them finance your party.
I guess it is time to sell my DR properties,and withdraw my Dominican family while I
just might, if I am lucky have a nickel left on my investments! It is time to let all these fine,
upstanding friends buy your exports! It is time to reconsider who the USA supports!!!!
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
11. Local buss association calls massive stoppage of work without authority or backing of union, Damages the property of other busses who do not comply and is still walking the streets.
12. A president who is out of the country more than in country.
And from Managua today denounces the actions of Isreal. What a pompas @ss !!!!!!!!!!!
From: United States, New York City
"Do they think anybody cares about a bunch of Banana republics jumping on a political issue ..."
Maybe, maybe not..but I'm seeing a trend in all the world dailies I check periodically and it's this:world opinion is becoming vociferous in its condemnation of Isreal's actions in Gaza. I'm even seeing signs of it in our own MSM, something that's been surprising me for the last few days.
Written by: nyguy718, 16 Jan 2009 1:38 PM
From: United States
More top notch professional journalism here. Operation "Forged lead?" How about trying "Cast Lead" as the operation in Gaza?
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
ciby feebly throws his support behind the rocketeers and Hamas those freedom fighters of the desert....Israel knew what they were getting into and they said" world wishy washy opinion be damned ".....they are going to finish the job and make these people very sorry they allowed those goons at Hamas to fire those rockets
Written by: nyguy718, 16 Jan 2009 1:52 PM
From: United States
Goulet, it seems almost futile to argue with a guy like Ciby. They somehow feel that Hamas is a legitimate party and should be able to shoot rockets with impunity and how dare a country defend themselves. Ciby leaves out that the blood of the civilians is on the hands of Hams based on their actions of firing rockets and using civilian human shields as all cowardly islamist terrorists do.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Poor ciby he means well but he spends far to much time on the grassy knoll with the lunatic fringe people like Route 66 and Abdul the spinner
From: United States, New York City
nyguy it is pointless to argue with me and defend a state that was founded on stolen land, a state that is relentlessly punishing a population. You leave out the blood of Palestinians that have been with a jackboot to their necks for generations.
Goulet, don't feel sorry for me. I can pee without it hurting still.
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
I guess a lot of people forget like Cibby That the United Nations established Israel. Israel did not steal the land from anybody and the vote was overwhelming in favor OF not against.
In 1922, the League of Nations entrusted Great Britain with the mandate for governing Israel. Britain was called upon to facilitate the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine. One world war and a Shoah later, that nation kept its promise.
In November 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution outlining the establishment of a Jewish state in British Palestinian territory. After six months of negotiation, the boundaries of the state of Israel were drawn. On May 14, 1948, the British government’s mandate over the Palestinian Territory expired. The new state was recognized by the U.S. government at 11 a.m. Israel time on May 14, and by the Russian government three days later.
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
From: United States, New York City
"I guess a lot of people forget like Cibby That the United Nations established Israel."
I know how Isreal came about. You assume to much. I can go into the history going back to the Balfour declaration but that's all moot. The point is that the area had an autochtonous population already in place that were displaced to accomodate another group who's claim to the land is based on scripture! That's a crime and a shame.
Written by: nyguy718, 16 Jan 2009 2:22 PM
From: United States
Ciby seems to have his revisionist facts all bungled. Ciby where do you reside by the way? Are you on previously "owned" land? Ciby it just shocks me that such a fervor against Israel, yet the same detractors of that state are not equally outraged about other nations. Ciby, I were Jewish it would be easy to see anti-semitism in that.
From: United States, New York City
I guess we should throw away the constition and base all our laws and foreign policy desicions on scripture.
From: United States, New York City
and TH, I've never stated who stole the land. I just stated that it is indeed stolen land.
From: United States, New York City
"Ciby seems to have his revisionist facts all bungled. Ciby where do you reside by the way? Are you on previously "owned" land? Ciby it just shocks me that such a fervor against Israel, yet the same detractors of that state are not equally outraged about other nations. Ciby, I were Jewish it would be easy to see anti-semitism in that."
Indeed I'm on stolen land but the Lenape are no longer here, the palestinians are and are still suffering. Indeed, the American government has realized that there were injustices committed against the natives in the past hence the special status awarded some reservations and tribes that managed to make it into this century. So I see. Your whole thing is that might makes right. As for labeling me an anti semite that's preposterous. Never once have I attacked the Jewish faith.
Written by: Gringo_1, 16 Jan 2009 2:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Maimon (Bonao)
13. Rejected potatoes from Europe still imported with forged customs documents.
BTW Israel is here to stay, so point in debating it. I wish the puppets would have strongly condemned the daily rocket attacks in Israel as strongly as they deny Israel has a right to defend its citizens from the daily terror attacks launched from a terrorist organization.
From: United States, New York City
"I wish the puppets would have strongly condemned the daily rocket attacks in Israel as strongly as they deny Israel has a right to defend its citizens from the daily terror attacks launched from a terrorist organization."
What about the rights of the Palestinian people to have a nation in the land that there forefathers knew all to well? I guess it doesn't matter that they're the real inhabitants of the area. Indeed Isreal isn't going anywhere. It's existence is a fait accompli. But that doesn't mean that the world should sit silently while they do as they wish to the people of Gaza. And I am no puppet. I have no paymaster nore am I of Arab extraction. I just recognize injustice when I see it.
Written by: Gringo_1, 16 Jan 2009 2:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Maimon (Bonao)
From: United States, New York City
"Read up dude! The Israelites probably have more claim to Palestine than Palestinians, so I have no idea where you are coming from."
Are you serious? You're directing me to Wikipedia?!? LOL
Anyway, the jewish claim to the land is based on scripture and nothing else. Most Isreali jews have roots in Europe or in other Middle Eastern nations. Only a very small fraction of Isreal's jews can claim greatgrandparents from the region and that's a fact.
Written by: Gringo_1, 16 Jan 2009 2:58 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Maimon (Bonao)
I think it is pretty clear that the Christians and Jews were conquered by the Arabs. Not the other way around as you imply.
"Only a very small fraction of Isreal's jews can claim greatgrandparents from the region and that's a fact"
History goes back a little farther back than grandparents.
Written by: nyguy718, 16 Jan 2009 2:59 PM
From: United States
Ciby you never answered the question if you have such indignation against other countries. You have such an intense hatred for Israel, reeks of anti-semitism, that's all. No need to get uptight about it.
Written by: nyguy718, 16 Jan 2009 3:06 PM
From: United States
Ciby is a highly emotional and angry poster...
From: United States, New York City
"Ciby is a highly emotional and angry poster..."
I'm glad someone noticed. Damn right I'm angry. There's alot of BS in this world that I'm not happy about and the plight of the palestinian people is one of them.
From: United States, New York City
"Ciby you never answered the question if you have such indignation against other countries. You have such an intense hatred for Israel, reeks of anti-semitism, that's all. No need to get uptight about it."
The only question you posed to me, namely concerning if I reside on stolen land, I answered. I saw no other question marks indicating that you were asking something of me. In the future those would help. Now what is it that you wish to ask me?
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
ciby its nappy time....OK guys stop using ciby as a Pinata
From: United States, New York City
"ciby its nappy time....OK guys stop using ciby as a Pinata"
Don't need a nap. I'm in my prime. You on the other hand either just got up from one or are planning to take one very soon. Which one is it?
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
ciby you are clairvoyant and should join the Circus .....I am amazed
Written by: hcx27, 16 Jan 2009 4:16 PM
From: United States, Warwick RI
Wow, this has to be a record amont of post! And all for a stupid statement made by a bunch of burro riding banana eaters (like Chaves) that think the US influence and power is diminishing due to the economy. This is like when Trujillo declared war against Hitler, it means $hit, nothing, nada.
Written by: walnut, 16 Jan 2009 4:28 PM
From: Dominican Republic, La Romana
AS a Jew, my ancestors originated in Israel, thousands of years ago. Due to the persecution of the Muslims, there was a Diaspora....meaning those Jews were forced to leave the land they lay claim to and settled in Europe.
The fact is that the Arabs of this land were Bedouins who never settled anywhere but where their flocks of animals led them.
And by the way, all Arab citizens of the newly established country of Israel were given the opportunity to become citizens of the new state of Israel. Unfortunately, their leaders urged them to flee and then again urged them to fight the Jews in 1948.
The Arabs of Israel live better than the Arabs of almost every nation in the Middle East. They are allowed to worship as they wish, have access to some of the best schools in the world and some of the best health care in the world.
As a fact, there are no Jews in any Middle Eastern country who are allowed to worship or even allowed citizenship.
My relatives in Israel say, "Dayenu"...enough.
Written by: hcx27, 16 Jan 2009 4:37 PM
From: United States, Warwick RI
Porfirio Rubirosa is turning in his grave! The Jew community has been a key contributor to entrepreneurship in the DR. They better remember this on the next elections and contribute to someone that has some integrity. That will be tough to find but there is always a 1st for everything.
Written by: nyguy718, 16 Jan 2009 4:53 PM
From: United States
Ciby,
Walnut brings up a good point. Most Jews were expelled from Arab lands in 1948 and disposessed of all property. They went to Israel at the time. I guess they lay no claim or right to living there as well. You don't have to back up your credentials of Jewish friends from Boro Park. You have become very defensive. Why is that? It just seems you are seething with hatred for Israel. I won't point it out anymore I can see you are very touch and sensitive when critizced.
Written by: Gringo_1, 16 Jan 2009 5:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Maimon (Bonao)
Ciby wrote:
"What about the rights of the Palestinian people to have a nation in the land that there forefathers knew all to well? "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ForefathersWriting comprehension for the loss
Reading comprehension for the win
From: Dominican Republic, Dando pela en las 5 esquinas
walnut shalom malecum
i agree with you my friend i'm not pro israel or pro palis but one thing is certain there is a double standard when it comes to jews-arabs relations.
me explico
When a islamic fundamentalist blows up a bus full of innocent civilians there is no outrage and condemnation, in other words they're martyrs.
If Israel kills innocent palis as they're used as human shields by Hamas or Hizbollah the outcry and condemnation are soon to follow, in other words they're victims.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
tell that to route 66 and Abdul the Spinner and poor misguided ciby from the grassy knoll
Written by: josean, 16 Jan 2009 5:22 PM
From: United States
Only 43 posts so far! Dominican-Hatian Hatred is far ahead . Come guys bring up the heat!
Written by: Armando, 16 Jan 2009 5:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic
It seems to me that most of the forum did not even read this article completely since this joint statement is being interpreted as anti-Israel rather than anti-violence. If we stick to the statement's wording as quoted in the article, we should note that the summit not only rejects the excessive use of force by Israeli forces, but, likewise, condemns the launching of rockets from Gaza into Israel. Most of the comments in this thread are just plain old and bellicose American fanaticism, a fanaticism that mirrors the Taliban’s. Though I admit that Chávez often acts like a major clown, unlike the fanaticism that has prevailed in the White House during the past eight years, Chávez's fanaticism has not produced hundreds of thousands of deaths all over the Middle East.
Written by: antonioj, 16 Jan 2009 5:43 PM
From: Canada, home safe
This is scary ho ho ho better listen Israel or DR will deport the dreaded Haitians to Jesuralem.
Finally Israel will listen, what do you think GC
From: Dominican Republic, Dando pela en las 5 esquinas
antonioj
no sh*t that would be like using weapons of mass destruction on israel.
Written by: antonioj, 16 Jan 2009 5:59 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: texasshoe, 16 Jan 2009 2:16 PM
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
In November 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution outlining the establishment of a Jewish state in British Palestinian territory. After six months of negotiation, the boundaries of the state of Israel were drawn. On May 14, 1948, the British government’s mandate over the Palestinian Territory expired. The new state was recognized by the U.S. government at 11 a.m. Israel time on May 14, and by the Russian government three days late
"
Sure, sure give me a break ,one would have thought the Israelis would have shown more respect to the U.N. Who indeed faciliated the creation of their state.
Written by: Patricia, 16 Jan 2009 6:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Ridiculous !
Written by: walnut, 16 Jan 2009 6:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic, La Romana
The UN of 1948 and the UN of today bear little resemblance.
Today's UN is a combination of established and rouge nations, dominated by the rouges due to the composition/majority rule of the GA.
Wasn't the Syrian or Sudan ambassador recently the head of the Human Rights Committee?
Case closed.
Where is the response by the UN to the Darfur situation?
Written by: antonioj, 16 Jan 2009 7:04 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: walnut, 16 Jan 2009 6:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic, La Romana
The UN of 1948 and the UN of today bear little resemblance.
Today's UN is a combination of established and rouge nations, dominated by the rouges due to the composition/majority rule of the GA"
You better check yourself before you reck yourself, sure easy to point to the weak spot however
you will lie about WMD to get their legitimate approval to start a war , when not convenient to you can just blame them or proclaim the UN is irrelevant, talking about double standard.
The UN is not prefect however it's the only global organization that we have.
Written by: walnut, 16 Jan 2009 7:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic, La Romana
The UN is irrelevant. It would collapse without US financial support.
As for WMD, your friend Saddam made it seem if he was in possession.
By the way, I am a peace loving guy.
War is not an answer.
However, juat because the UN is there doesn't make it relevant.
Remember the food for oil scandal?
All these folks at the UN are pompous fools, like most politicians.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
"Dominican Government calls for Israel’s immediate withdrawal from Gaza"
We really mean this. You know, we have "Super Tucano" fighters now [commanded by Ciby] and, if you don't do as we demand, we will turn them loose on you....this is your last warning!!! And if that doesn't work, then we'll deploy our ultra secret weapon: "Josean's Metro", which is presently undergoing most successful battlefield trials. Latter is ultra powerful and, while not a WMD, it will be sure to rapidly deplete the treasury's coffers-possibly a fate worse than death!
From: United States, San Diego, California
Leonel is making a mistake. Israel has the right to defend itself, but also war is a terrible thing to have. The best thing for the DR is not take part, but to keep the country neutral. The country has no influence in the world and the best thing is to keep their mouth shut. The UN is useless and it can only intervene in poor nations like Haiti and the DR because none of our country has military power. See what Russia did to Georgia and the UN did nothing to stop Russia. The USA can also invade any country and the UN cannot do anything about it. Anyway, in World War II, the DR was neutral and that is how the DR must be. Be friend of everyone.
From: United States, New York City
"AS a Jew, my ancestors originated in Israel, thousands of years ago. Due to the persecution of the Muslims, there was a Diaspora...."
That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard walnut. Your laying claim to a land because your ancestors might've been there thousands of years ago? LOL That's hilarious. On your other point initial muslim conquests DID NOT cause a jewish diaspora. Jews were widespread in the meditteranean basin already early in the roman era and many of islams' great medieval cities boasted LARGE jewish populations (Perhaps they left palestine because of the muslims to again settle among muslims elsewhere? Ridiculous). You can look that up.
Written by: , 17 Jan 2009 5:41 AM
From:
"Most Jews were expelled from Arab lands in 1948 and disposessed of all property. They went to Israel at the time. I guess they lay no claim or right to living there as well."
Exactly(and it happened during the forties and fifities, not 48 specifically). They were expelled from the lands they ORIGINALLY hailed from because of their religion. It's not a hard concept to understand. Be that as it may it doesn't mean that Isreal was their rightful home even though it became so by force. What about the Palestinians that were indeed expelled from Palestine proper where they were actually from during the same period? I guess they are of no consequence to you. I recall a girl of palestinian origin wo went to public school with me. I got to know her brothers and the rest of her family through the years. Salt of the earth people who wouldn't hurt a fly. They still had the keys to their home which they were forced to flee in what is now Isreal. They had lived in the same town for generations.
From: United States, New York City
don't know why but my screen name didn't appear on two comments but they are indeed mine.
From: United States, New York City
"What about the rights of the Palestinian people to have a nation in the land that there forefathers knew all to well? "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ForefathersWriting comprehension for the loss
Reading comprehension for the win"
Gringo, stop quoting wikipedia to make a point. Wikipedia articles can be writtien or edited by ANYONE and as such they are not true reference material.
From: United States, New York City
From: United States, New York City
nyguy:
"You have become very defensive. Why is that? "
Maybe it's becaue you've attempted label me an anti-semite, which is tantamount to calling someone a racist. I think that such an accusation warrants a defense. I have not labeled you ant-arab ar anything else for that matter. I discussed the issue at hand without resorting to any categorizing or labeling you in any fashion as opposed to what you have done.
From: United States, New York City
walnut:
"The fact is that the Arabs of this land were Bedouins who never settled anywhere but where their flocks of animals led them."
According to the Encyclopedia Brittanica,that is false. The bedouins in Palestine are not considered autochtonous to the region but instead are considered true arabs. They are distinct from the native palestinians, who are considered an arabized people as opposed to true arabs, and this distinction becomes apparent in the speech of the native palestinians and the bedouin nomads in the area. They both speak distinct arab dialects. You can look that up.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Ciby is out of retirement and writing a book ....Good Morning Ciby
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
ciby always keep in mind 1 billion Muslims ......11 million Jews in the whole world......how do you like the odds....I am surprised you of all people ganging up on the little guy....shame shame
Written by: brootto, 17 Jan 2009 8:10 AM
From: United States, South West Florida
gc 11 million jews ok, remember the reasons why israel is doing what it does, becasue the mighty army they have due to us support and remember they are doing the same thing us did to iraq no need to listen to un everything has it concequence and also remember there is an empire that last more than 200 years it is written. usa and it allies like israel they time will come. yes it will come. I don't support hamas or some of the palestine idiocy but killing everything and anything it is not the right way, there is a price to paid for it.
Written by: brootto, 17 Jan 2009 8:11 AM
From: United States, South West Florida
oh by the way gc do you ever sleep or work, what the f%$k you do, beside been critical to everything
Written by: brootto, 17 Jan 2009 8:12 AM
From: United States, South West Florida
or i forgot you in PR there nothing there to work for.
Written by: brootto, 17 Jan 2009 9:11 AM
From: United States, South West Florida
everything stop when i write. ha
Written by: walnut, 17 Jan 2009 10:19 AM
From: Dominican Republic, La Romana
Hey SR. Cibaneo,
Have you ever been to Israel? You say maybe my ancestors were there? I believe historical facts prove the Israelites were the very first civilization there?
I do not need to debate this fact; it is well documented.
I know that for thousands of years, the world has tried to exterminate the Jews.
My grandfather had whip marks on his back, courtesy of the czar's army, trying in get him to convert.
As an 11 year old, he marched across Europe to travel to America, arriving with 10 cents in his pocket, armed only with his faith and determination to return to "Eretz Israel".
He returned to his and our original homeland, where my relatives created a modern and flourishing civilization in one generation.
Growing up, my uncle had many Arab neighbors who never complained of their lot in life.
It was when Arafat and his thugs started acting up, killing Israeli Olympic heroes in Munich (that not true?) that Palestinian nationalism began brewing.
We say...."Dayenu".
Written by: walnut, 17 Jan 2009 10:28 AM
From: Dominican Republic, La Romana
I ask, "Why have the Palestinians not made one attempt to build a society based on goodness, hard work and education?" Instead, their's is a culture of hate and killing.
Israelis do not want neighbors who lob thousands of missiles at their schools. They do not want neighbors who strap the most hideous bombs to their bodies and walk into crowded pizzerias and discos to blow themselves and anyone nearby up.
They want neighbors who will be like they are....hard working, self reliant, educated and decent people who want the best for their children.
My cousin died in the most despicable bombing, in the cafeteria of a university, where she had gone, along with dozens of Arab students just to eat.
With neighbors like this, that is why a fence was constructed and these cowardly acts stopped.
Time to send Hamas to heaven or hell, along with their notions of what the map should look like.
We say..."Dayenu" enough!!!
Written by: josean, 17 Jan 2009 10:37 AM
From: United States
Ah maybe this is the reason for our great leader's barking like the female canine he/she is !
Source DR1
Segura to UAE
Radhames Segura, executive vice president of the Dominican Corporation of State Electricity Enterprises (CDEEE) will head a commission that travels today to the United Arabian Emirates to follow up on the possibility of securing funds that would contribute to alleviate the ongoing electricity problems, as reported in Hoy. Segura, in his third term as head of electricity matters for a Fernandez administration, had betted on installing two coal-fired power plants, but had to abort this plan when financing was not secured.
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
News story from MSNBC,
The first sentence pretty much sums up the "why" part of the Israeli attack.
"Israel launched its military offensive on Dec. 27 to try to halt near-daily Hamas rocket attacks against southern Israel. Palestinian medics say the fighting has killed at least 1,140 Palestinians — roughly half of them civilians — and Israel's bombing campaign caused massive destruction in the Gaza Strip. Thirteen Israelis have been killed, four by rocket fire and nine in ground battles in Gaza, according to the government."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28651944/From: Dominican Republic, Bonao
"one day you'll all see the importance of not under estimating the Dominican political power in the world, i'll rise to power"
Written by: josean, 17 Jan 2009 11:32 AM
From: United States
"Written by: neon_genesis, 17 Jan 2009 11:27 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bonao
"one day you'll all see the importance of not under estimating the Dominican political power in the world, i'll rise to power"
There are good psychiatrist that can give you some medications to address your delusions of grandeur!
From: United States, New York City
"walnut:
"You say maybe my ancestors were there? I believe historical facts prove the Israelites were the very first civilization there?
I do not need to debate this fact; it is well documented."
And? If so does that give you a right to the land? According to my genetic profile my paternal ancestors were somewhere from southwestern europe in the remote past. Does that mean that I have a claim to that land somehow? The jewish claim on israel is based on a religious ethos and nothing else. That should be no basis for international law. The rest of your post is nothing but anecdotes and personal opinions and bears little weight on anything. It doesn't negate anything I've written and you have wisely chosen not to challenge what I have proven to be not true from your intial posts, namely that the jewish dispora was started during the age of the muslim conquest of palestine, which is false, and that the paestnians are all bedoiuns, which is also false.
From: United States, New York City
"News story from MSNBC,
The first sentence pretty much sums up the "why" part of the Israeli attack.
"Israel launched its military offensive on Dec. 27 to try to halt near-daily Hamas rocket attacks against southern Israel. Palestinian medics say the fighting has killed at least 1,140 Palestinians — roughly half of them civilians — and Israel's bombing campaign caused massive destruction in the Gaza Strip. Thirteen Israelis have been killed, four by rocket fire and nine in ground battles in Gaza, according to the government.""
TH, that's Israel's version of events. It's becoming obvious that they have lied about their knowledge of the UN compounds (check the news stories I already posted and no they're not from wikipedia) that the IDF bombed what's to say that everything else that the IDF is feeding the press isn't also false?
From: United States, New York City
"Ciby is out of retirement and writing a book ....Good Morning Ciby"
Morning goulet..i woke up early to go horse back riding...I'm in the poconos until the evening...nothing like horseback riding on a wintery morning.
Written by: walnut, 17 Jan 2009 1:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic, La Romana
Maybe cibaeno, you should make a claim to your ancestors land from where you came. This does not deny the Israelis right to land that history shows was theirs over 3400 years ago, taken first by the Romans and followed by the Muslims.
I do not want to debate history with you.
Fact is, the Jews are in Israel and will be until folks like you drive us into extinction. However, that will never happen.
Learn to respect us and we will respect you.
Maybe go back to horseback riding in the Poconos on stolen Indian land in the freezing cold. Your brain, senses and heart has been numbed by the cold.
As I have stated before, "Dayenu"
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
ciby I have not been on a horse since I lived in Jerez de la Frontera in the 70s but what horses they have there...dont fall off we would not want to have to shoot you and the horse
From: United States, (on Sabbatical)
I'm a Dominican; not a foreigner utilizing this venue to blow my own horn:
Israel is dead wrong in the slaughter of innocent civilians; there aren't any rational excuses for the carnage of 300+ children victims of this willy-nilly, helter-skelter "Blitzkrieg".
The Holocaust did happen; However, anyone's death is a loss not just Ashkenzi Jews!
The death of innocent children caught in the midst of war betwen a band of Guerrilas fighting the world's best equipped (they have the atom bomb) little nation, does not excuse Israel from their atrocious attacks. There's no escuse.
I don't see eye to eye with Socialists on many issues; Yet, here I must concede with all those that condemn these attack as barbaric: I'm human and can see the suffering of innocent infants. Remember, "Never Again"?
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
headlines and articles from the weanie leftists * CIA-trained geese responsible for bringing down NYC plane
* CIA agents fed geese on lunch breaks at DC parks during the 1980s; now they have come back to bite us
* A flock of Canada geese caught on film illegally obtaining Florida driver licenses
* ACLU: Term "Canada geese" may be offensive to some Canadians and some geese; lawsuit pending
* Hugo Chavez offers sanctuary to Canada geese in Venezuela
* Obscure flock of suicidal Palestinian pigeons take responsibility for New York bird strike
* All Jewish geese took the day off yesterday; conspiracy movie "Goose Change" expected soon
* Ted Kennedy calls on Detroit to design cars that can float on water like Airbus 8320
Written by: antonioj, 18 Jan 2009 12:24 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: gouletcolonial, 18 Jan 2009 11:46 AM
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas Mahogany Run
headlines and articles from the weanie leftists * CIA-trained geese responsible for bringing down NYC plane
"
Hey is GC is there a ban now on Canadian geese travelling or are they persona non-grata in the USA, I am taking offense personally. I will refer this to my US wildlife counter part, you have been warned, they will carry other mission just like the one you witness in the hudson river.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
they were coming to USA for medical care they were tired of waiting in line...they even had their ice scrapers with them
Written by: antonioj, 18 Jan 2009 1:13 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: gouletcolonial, 18 Jan 2009 12:45 PM
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas Mahogany Run
Vindicated after all these years, Sen. Kennedy explains how his car was also struck by a flock of Canada geese on a bridge in Chappaquiddick. "This pilot's only mistake was that he didn't wait 24 hrs before notifying his attorney."
"
I am laughing out loud (lol) I can not help it, that was good, this is what they call here, a queue jumper. You know after all the geese are smart, they wil not migrate to countries where they know
for well what their faith will be in some natives belly.( countries in africa, Haiti or Cuba)
Written by: walnut, 18 Jan 2009 6:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic, La Romana
Hey Arsenio,
Shouldn't the Hamas government have some accountability for continuing the firing of missles at Israel from schools, hospitals and even UN buildings. Do you expect the Israelis to just continue to let it happen.
Even after a cease-fire was enacted yesterday, hamas fighter shot off 10 missles at Israel.
What is never mentioned is that Hamas uses children and women to hide behind.
What is never mentioned is that Hamas asks for the aggression by being aggressive.
They have weapons tunnels under schools, mosques and hospitals; a trick they learned from Hizzbullah in Lebanon.
You are just being swayed by the pro-Hamas PR campaign that only recognizes Israeli actions.
Yesterday AM, a missle hit a synagogue in the south. No mention anywhere in any media.
Why the double standard?
Shame on Hamas for thinking their actions will go unanswered.
I am very sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians, but they voted in these bastards, thinking they were the solution.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
from todays NYT......"Hamas is the dominant organization in Gaza,” a top military official said in a briefing last week that was given on condition of anonymity. “They are the regime and feel very connected to the people. They do not want to lose that connection to the people.”
The Israeli theory of what it tried to do here is summed up in a Hebrew phrase heard across Israel and throughout the military in the past weeks: “baal habayit hishtageya,” or “the boss has lost it.” It evokes the image of a madman who cannot be controlled.
“This phrase means that if our civilians are attacked by you, we are not going to respond in proportion but will use all means we have to cause you such damage that you will think twice in the future,” said Giora Eiland, a former national security adviser...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/19....eeast/19assess.html?th&emc=thFrom: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Yes they will think twice in the future !
Written by: tejano, 19 Jan 2009 8:42 AM
From: United States
Just another example of Iranian influence in the region. Iranians telling Chavez what to do and Chavez influencing those dependent on him for oil. Iran will funnel operatives through the Dominican Republic, who will then attack US/Western interests and the DR will be an accomplice. Then the embargos, cutting of diplomatic ties, shipping all Dominicans living in the US back to the island.
Come on Hamas has been indiscriminately attacking Israel for years, where was the outcry then. Where was Mr. Fernandez' call for the stop of that violence!! He is trying to play in the big boys league and is only being manipulated and embarrassing himself and the Dominican people. He has lost touch with reality and what is important and the Dominican people are suffering for it. When are the Dominican people going to stand up for their dignity?!
Written by: tejano, 19 Jan 2009 8:43 AM
From: United States
In regards to Israel ... you have to hit them until they are down and out..... Israel must continue until they have broken the will of the terrorist whose life's mission is to destroy not only Israel but all Christian infidels (yes that means you, your family and your way of life), so wake up !!
Written by: josean, 19 Jan 2009 8:45 AM
From: United States
So Lie-onel is now a terrorist Chauncey?
From: United States, New York City
walnut:
"I do not want to debate history with you."
A wise choice seeing as you have no grasp on the subject.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
ciby has returned from the inaugural balls...did you dance the night away ciby ?
From: United States, New York City
"ciby has returned from the inaugural balls...did you dance the night away ciby ?"
Play numbers today goulet...indeed I was in Washington yesterday and it was something else...how on earth did you know that?
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
I saw you on Television shaking hands with Dick Cheney hahahah
From: United States, New York City
"I saw you on Television shaking hands with Dick Cheney hahahah"
If I had seen cheney he would've gotten the middle finger. I worked my way to DC over the weekend and stayed at some freinds who live in Alexandria. Goulet, I've never seen anything like the crowds in DC. Imagine time square on new year's eve. Now spread the same density of people over an entire downtown and then some! It was surreal. I found myself grumbling about the madness during the day but in retrospect I'm glad I was part of the festivities.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
it will be like saying you were at Woodstock.....Ciby imagine 20 years from now all the liars who will say they were there ....Just like Woodstock ....You were fortunate ....the whole world was watching it made me very proud
Written by: handala, 1 Feb 2009 11:34 AM
From: Bermuda
Norman Finkelstein ... keeps referring to the island of Dominica ..(is that the same as the DR) and the UN in many of his talks..that’s why and how I checked this site ...cio.
I read most of the posts to find out why D ( no time wasted having mistaken DR for D) joins the US and vetoes the UN on resolutions that are plain as day most of the times. On the other hand, I have many friends from DR and my sister in law is Dominican. My wife is Irish and my children are proud Palestinians. Historians call me a product of the Nakse and I have been healing from the devastation of the many wars that I and my parents witnessed in the Holy Lands.
Bekafee..(enough)
ps just learned that DR and Dominica are two different countries..cant wait to visit....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominicahttp://www.normanfinkelstein.com/http://images.google.com/images?h....&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2Written by: antonioj, 1 Feb 2009 11:46 AM
From: Canada, home safe
Norman Finkelstein is a jew himself
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
what do you suggest handala
Written by: handala, 1 Feb 2009 12:29 PM
From: Bermuda
with a name like Finkelstein...yes very Jewish. with a mind like Norman..yes he is very Jewish...my dear cousin does not dig up the wife’s of our common father..Abraham. For that, I am refreshed to hear the logic of his solution. Below is a sum of his thoughts with my interjections:
- Two State solution till our Messeeh comes on his own without being ushered;
- Deal with the massive numbers of refugees and massive numbers of illegal building of Jewish settlements and the illegal demolishing of Palestinian homes; including retributions...it will be cheaper to the US and would turn around to benefit ALL.
- Define the borders, including splitting up Jerusalem into East and West and declaring the Old Walled portion as international since we do not have the wisdom of Solomon (when he offered to cut the baby in half to find out to which mother the baby really belongs to).
Norman is making a lot of qualified unchallenged sense. He quotes Edward Saeed, who my cousins tri
Written by: walnut, 2 Feb 2009 6:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic, La Romana
Not until the Muslim world announces and signs a document stating that Israel has the right to exist with a mutually determined and defined area, the basis for peace will be assured. However, most Muslims do not accept Israel's righ to exist.
Peace without peace?
Isreal is not done with Hamas: two more weeks and there will be an all out assault again because the Hamas rockets have not stopped. An absent kindergarten was hit Saturday, but the world's media ignores this action and makes Hamas the sole victims of big bad Israel. Wait til Bibi is in office.
Written by: antonioj, 2 Feb 2009 6:30 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Norman Finkelstein is a jew himself if it;s the case, can you explain why he's so anti israel, and he's consider persona non-grata in israel. It's possible that he's exploiting the situation for his own benefit ?
Written by: walnut, 3 Feb 2009 11:33 AM
From: Dominican Republic, La Romana
In a democracy, people are allowed to criticize and verbalize any opposition to the majority any time. How would this man, if he had a similar counterpart in the Arab world fair? Blown up or shot by his enemies. We say inthe US or Israel, let him talk..it's ok.
Fact is Bibi will be in charge next week and enough of the soft peddeling to the world, UN and US.
Look what Russia did to Chechnya or Georgia-massive attacks to civilian areas that killed thousands. Where was the outrage? and yet missles continue.
Where is your outrage for Darfur? Mumbai? Bali? Pakistan? Afghanistan? You are just programmed by the world's media to beat up Israel. Somehow the guys running Hamas are portrayed as the victims. It is the people who elected these thugs, who terrorize neighborhoods like mobsters and criminals that are victims.Hamas that the world wants to protect?
Is the moon made of cheese too? Is up now down?
When the Muslims accept the state of Israel that day the peace process begin
Written by: handala, 3 Feb 2009 5:36 PM
From: Bermuda
Norman does very well defending himself and explains why and how he is "a good Jewish boy"...listen to the flood of his clips on many sites with a lot of real reasons for his upstanding position on justice. Get unplugged...read The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy or try Chris Hedges or Jimmy Carter if you prefer good Christian boys. Handala..for a good muslim boy.
Did you experience collateral human carnage in your family? ..or your neighbors’ house demolished? Human decency cries out for justice to end the occupation of Palestine and to give the Palestinians the right to return home..I find Norman very human...his attackers like Allen Dershowitz...coy with words and very little decency....a bright mind that can get you off the hook when you murder even your very own wife..that much decency he has.
A Palestinian voice like NF..not a bad idea. What democracy?. do you suppose NF is passing the scrutiny of AIPEC or CAMERA..or the likes or has not and is not paying a price
Written by: walnut, 3 Feb 2009 7:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic, La Romana
I would probably categorize my first cousin being blown to pieces in a cafeteria of a university in Israel as something other than collateral damage. She was in the land of countless previous generations and lived in a multi-cultural neighborhood where Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs lived side by side.
Along the way, zealous people on both sides have caused countless problems.
My aunt still mourns the loss of her daughter like it just happened. Our whole families lives changed.
We can not negotiate with psychopaths.
The right to return home does not mean the end of Israel.Will the missles than stop? Hardly.
Written by: handala, 4 Feb 2009 11:24 PM
From: Bermuda
Walnut - I am ridiculing the word "collateral".
How come for the "countless previous generations" there were not any stories of neighbors butchering each other in the many neighborhoods where the children of Abraham lived next to each other?
Who went after Iraq and was responsible for the slaughter of about 2,000-4,000 Americans and
100,000 Iraqi civilians (collateral carnage?) and 1,000,000 plus more "psychopaths”?...who and what is a psychopath?
Listen also to Noam Chomsky on Charlie Rose - for the reasons and the factual records for the blame of the slaughter of your family and mine.
hint...US failed policy and petting of Israel...a country disgracing the meaning of this wonderful Hebrew word with a flag displaying Holy colors. Can you blame the "psychopaths" for suggesting that the two blue ribbons represent the Zionist’s colonial dreams of securing the lands between the Nile-to-Euphrates? What is today's date"? What would King David say to that?
bekafee
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
A Jew has the option to continue or end a war-either by turning the other cheek or fighting back. Therefore, Jews are the cause of wars. ..Multiculturalism is when people of all races, colors, and creeds join hands in a common effort to blame the Jews.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Europe 's view of the present Israeli offensive against Hezbollah as an "overreaction" and "disproportionate use of force" is rooted in relatively recent history, say progressive researchers. In 1943, Europe itself suffered from a similar Jewish overreaction to some controversial German policies, in an event known as the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, when Zionist radicals attacked the National Socialist German Workers Party that was loved by the German people for its far-reaching educational and social welfare services. In fact, many academics who teach Peace Studies at prestigious universities believe that it was the Zionists' "disproportionate use of force" that had ruined hopes for peace in Europe and caused a humanitarian crisis that could have easily be avoided if only Jews had shown restraint and tolerance towards the democratically elected German government.
Written by: handala, 9 Feb 2009 11:54 PM
From: Bermuda
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Written by: handala, 11 Feb 2009 5:53 PM
From: Bermuda
PART 1 OF 3
As ethical human beings we consider it our obligation to:
do all we can to allow the information to be diffused as widely and as quickly as possible;
ensure the argument of the oppression and disenfranchisement of the Palestinian people stays in the forefront; present as clear and honest a picture as possible of the meaning of Zionism and the Jewish State; to cross the divide and to unite in our war against the Zionist crime.
We accept and believe in equality of all persons, regardless of their race, religion, political or other orientation. We believe that full and unconditional support of the Palestinian people is a condition sine qua non for activists to adopt, and we recognise that their attachment to their homeland is a fundamental and unalterable condition. To that end we advocate for two non unified States with equal rights for all its citizens.
Written by: handala, 11 Feb 2009 5:57 PM
From: Bermuda
Written by: handala, 11 Feb 2009 5:57 PM
From: Bermuda
PART 3 OF 3
We will not hesitate to expose the instrumental usage of them, no matter the claimed principles of those who are engaged in creating such campaigns. On the other hand, open dialogue and reasoned argumentation is welcome and greatly encouraged as a tool to understanding and collaboration.
The indigenous people of Palestine are facing extermination by the hands of the Jewish State, and the world keeps silent. The sooner we draw public attention to Israel's needless wanton destruction, the sooner we can do away with this horrifying, insufferable situation.
PLEASE, sign the petition if you share our concerns.
http://www.petitiononline.com/grosveno/petition.htmlWritten by: handala, 11 Feb 2009 5:57 PM
From: Bermuda
PART 2 OF 3
Any attempts at censoring reasoned critique of Israel and Zionism must be refused a priori, as it is in conflict with the goal of seeking to protect and support the Palestinian people - as their empowerment is the only way to peaceful coexistence for all the populations of the Middle East. Any attempts at dictating what the Palestinians should do will be looked upon with great circumspection and suspicion. Palestinians themselves wish to construct their own future and are not pawns to be shifted on the chessboard. We demand free speech for sincere critics of Zionism and call for an end to campaigns created in order to ostracise its most vocal critics. Smear campaigns will not be tolerated, as we recognise that they are the instrument of choice of Zionists, and detract energy from our work.
Written by: handala, 20 Feb 2009 4:10 PM
From: Bermuda
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Keep blowing hot air Lie-onel!
From: Puerto Rico, Viejo San Juan Calle Cristo
leonel jumps on the bandwagon what a guy !"
Is he still your guy? (no sexual innuendo meant)
1. Regular Yola runs to escape the DR for other shores resulting in death of you citizens
2. Masacre in Bani of Colombian Nationals that were running a large scale drug operation, with alleged widespread cooperation and knowledge of the military, police and anti-durg agencies.
3. Account Judges voting themselves an arbitrary pay raise which they had no right to do.
4. Judicary Votes themselves a pay raise today, not authorised
5. Sitting Senator, who spends more time in the US practicing medicine now under medicare scrutiny for fraud WHILE collecting his DR senate salary.
6. Regular scheduled yola aircraft flights to parts unknown resulting in death of you citizens acknowledged by Aviation Authorities and Customs
7. Corrupt immigration officials extorting bribes from incoming pasengers at airport
8.Highest paid senators on the planet
9.Rampent theft of electricity
10. Lottery boss donating money illegally to Senators.
Cont.
I think chavez,ortega, hamas,hezabolas,putin,castro and that little puppet in iran,and hell I will
even give you the gov of ILL,USA the one with the bad hair doo. Let them finance your party.
I guess it is time to sell my DR properties,and withdraw my Dominican family while I
just might, if I am lucky have a nickel left on my investments! It is time to let all these fine,
upstanding friends buy your exports! It is time to reconsider who the USA supports!!!!
12. A president who is out of the country more than in country.
And from Managua today denounces the actions of Isreal. What a pompas @ss !!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe, maybe not..but I'm seeing a trend in all the world dailies I check periodically and it's this:world opinion is becoming vociferous in its condemnation of Isreal's actions in Gaza. I'm even seeing signs of it in our own MSM, something that's been surprising me for the last few days.
Goulet, don't feel sorry for me. I can pee without it hurting still.
In 1922, the League of Nations entrusted Great Britain with the mandate for governing Israel. Britain was called upon to facilitate the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine. One world war and a Shoah later, that nation kept its promise.
In November 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution outlining the establishment of a Jewish state in British Palestinian territory. After six months of negotiation, the boundaries of the state of Israel were drawn. On May 14, 1948, the British government’s mandate over the Palestinian Territory expired. The new state was recognized by the U.S. government at 11 a.m. Israel time on May 14, and by the Russian government three days later.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/524221/Israel-at-60
I know how Isreal came about. You assume to much. I can go into the history going back to the Balfour declaration but that's all moot. The point is that the area had an autochtonous population already in place that were displaced to accomodate another group who's claim to the land is based on scripture! That's a crime and a shame.
Indeed I'm on stolen land but the Lenape are no longer here, the palestinians are and are still suffering. Indeed, the American government has realized that there were injustices committed against the natives in the past hence the special status awarded some reservations and tribes that managed to make it into this century. So I see. Your whole thing is that might makes right. As for labeling me an anti semite that's preposterous. Never once have I attacked the Jewish faith.
BTW Israel is here to stay, so point in debating it. I wish the puppets would have strongly condemned the daily rocket attacks in Israel as strongly as they deny Israel has a right to defend its citizens from the daily terror attacks launched from a terrorist organization.
What about the rights of the Palestinian people to have a nation in the land that there forefathers knew all to well? I guess it doesn't matter that they're the real inhabitants of the area. Indeed Isreal isn't going anywhere. It's existence is a fait accompli. But that doesn't mean that the world should sit silently while they do as they wish to the people of Gaza. And I am no puppet. I have no paymaster nore am I of Arab extraction. I just recognize injustice when I see it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
Are you serious? You're directing me to Wikipedia?!? LOL
Anyway, the jewish claim to the land is based on scripture and nothing else. Most Isreali jews have roots in Europe or in other Middle Eastern nations. Only a very small fraction of Isreal's jews can claim greatgrandparents from the region and that's a fact.
"Only a very small fraction of Isreal's jews can claim greatgrandparents from the region and that's a fact"
History goes back a little farther back than grandparents.
I'm glad someone noticed. Damn right I'm angry. There's alot of BS in this world that I'm not happy about and the plight of the palestinian people is one of them.
The only question you posed to me, namely concerning if I reside on stolen land, I answered. I saw no other question marks indicating that you were asking something of me. In the future those would help. Now what is it that you wish to ask me?
Don't need a nap. I'm in my prime. You on the other hand either just got up from one or are planning to take one very soon. Which one is it?
The fact is that the Arabs of this land were Bedouins who never settled anywhere but where their flocks of animals led them.
And by the way, all Arab citizens of the newly established country of Israel were given the opportunity to become citizens of the new state of Israel. Unfortunately, their leaders urged them to flee and then again urged them to fight the Jews in 1948.
The Arabs of Israel live better than the Arabs of almost every nation in the Middle East. They are allowed to worship as they wish, have access to some of the best schools in the world and some of the best health care in the world.
As a fact, there are no Jews in any Middle Eastern country who are allowed to worship or even allowed citizenship.
My relatives in Israel say, "Dayenu"...enough.
Walnut brings up a good point. Most Jews were expelled from Arab lands in 1948 and disposessed of all property. They went to Israel at the time. I guess they lay no claim or right to living there as well. You don't have to back up your credentials of Jewish friends from Boro Park. You have become very defensive. Why is that? It just seems you are seething with hatred for Israel. I won't point it out anymore I can see you are very touch and sensitive when critizced.
"What about the rights of the Palestinian people to have a nation in the land that there forefathers knew all to well? "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forefathers
Writing comprehension for the loss
Reading comprehension for the win
i agree with you my friend i'm not pro israel or pro palis but one thing is certain there is a double standard when it comes to jews-arabs relations.
me explico
When a islamic fundamentalist blows up a bus full of innocent civilians there is no outrage and condemnation, in other words they're martyrs.
If Israel kills innocent palis as they're used as human shields by Hamas or Hizbollah the outcry and condemnation are soon to follow, in other words they're victims.
Finally Israel will listen, what do you think GC
no sh*t that would be like using weapons of mass destruction on israel.
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
In November 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution outlining the establishment of a Jewish state in British Palestinian territory. After six months of negotiation, the boundaries of the state of Israel were drawn. On May 14, 1948, the British government’s mandate over the Palestinian Territory expired. The new state was recognized by the U.S. government at 11 a.m. Israel time on May 14, and by the Russian government three days late
"
Sure, sure give me a break ,one would have thought the Israelis would have shown more respect to the U.N. Who indeed faciliated the creation of their state.
Today's UN is a combination of established and rouge nations, dominated by the rouges due to the composition/majority rule of the GA.
Wasn't the Syrian or Sudan ambassador recently the head of the Human Rights Committee?
Case closed.
Where is the response by the UN to the Darfur situation?
From: Dominican Republic, La Romana
The UN of 1948 and the UN of today bear little resemblance.
Today's UN is a combination of established and rouge nations, dominated by the rouges due to the composition/majority rule of the GA"
You better check yourself before you reck yourself, sure easy to point to the weak spot however
you will lie about WMD to get their legitimate approval to start a war , when not convenient to you can just blame them or proclaim the UN is irrelevant, talking about double standard.
The UN is not prefect however it's the only global organization that we have.
As for WMD, your friend Saddam made it seem if he was in possession.
By the way, I am a peace loving guy.
War is not an answer.
However, juat because the UN is there doesn't make it relevant.
Remember the food for oil scandal?
All these folks at the UN are pompous fools, like most politicians.
We really mean this. You know, we have "Super Tucano" fighters now [commanded by Ciby] and, if you don't do as we demand, we will turn them loose on you....this is your last warning!!! And if that doesn't work, then we'll deploy our ultra secret weapon: "Josean's Metro", which is presently undergoing most successful battlefield trials. Latter is ultra powerful and, while not a WMD, it will be sure to rapidly deplete the treasury's coffers-possibly a fate worse than death!
That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard walnut. Your laying claim to a land because your ancestors might've been there thousands of years ago? LOL That's hilarious. On your other point initial muslim conquests DID NOT cause a jewish diaspora. Jews were widespread in the meditteranean basin already early in the roman era and many of islams' great medieval cities boasted LARGE jewish populations (Perhaps they left palestine because of the muslims to again settle among muslims elsewhere? Ridiculous). You can look that up.
Exactly(and it happened during the forties and fifities, not 48 specifically). They were expelled from the lands they ORIGINALLY hailed from because of their religion. It's not a hard concept to understand. Be that as it may it doesn't mean that Isreal was their rightful home even though it became so by force. What about the Palestinians that were indeed expelled from Palestine proper where they were actually from during the same period? I guess they are of no consequence to you. I recall a girl of palestinian origin wo went to public school with me. I got to know her brothers and the rest of her family through the years. Salt of the earth people who wouldn't hurt a fly. They still had the keys to their home which they were forced to flee in what is now Isreal. They had lived in the same town for generations.
"What about the rights of the Palestinian people to have a nation in the land that there forefathers knew all to well? "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forefathers
Writing comprehension for the loss
Reading comprehension for the win"
Gringo, stop quoting wikipedia to make a point. Wikipedia articles can be writtien or edited by ANYONE and as such they are not true reference material.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7832042.stm
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-01/16/content_10668518.htm
"You have become very defensive. Why is that? "
Maybe it's becaue you've attempted label me an anti-semite, which is tantamount to calling someone a racist. I think that such an accusation warrants a defense. I have not labeled you ant-arab ar anything else for that matter. I discussed the issue at hand without resorting to any categorizing or labeling you in any fashion as opposed to what you have done.
"The fact is that the Arabs of this land were Bedouins who never settled anywhere but where their flocks of animals led them."
According to the Encyclopedia Brittanica,that is false. The bedouins in Palestine are not considered autochtonous to the region but instead are considered true arabs. They are distinct from the native palestinians, who are considered an arabized people as opposed to true arabs, and this distinction becomes apparent in the speech of the native palestinians and the bedouin nomads in the area. They both speak distinct arab dialects. You can look that up.
Have you ever been to Israel? You say maybe my ancestors were there? I believe historical facts prove the Israelites were the very first civilization there?
I do not need to debate this fact; it is well documented.
I know that for thousands of years, the world has tried to exterminate the Jews.
My grandfather had whip marks on his back, courtesy of the czar's army, trying in get him to convert.
As an 11 year old, he marched across Europe to travel to America, arriving with 10 cents in his pocket, armed only with his faith and determination to return to "Eretz Israel".
He returned to his and our original homeland, where my relatives created a modern and flourishing civilization in one generation.
Growing up, my uncle had many Arab neighbors who never complained of their lot in life.
It was when Arafat and his thugs started acting up, killing Israeli Olympic heroes in Munich (that not true?) that Palestinian nationalism began brewing.
We say...."Dayenu".
Israelis do not want neighbors who lob thousands of missiles at their schools. They do not want neighbors who strap the most hideous bombs to their bodies and walk into crowded pizzerias and discos to blow themselves and anyone nearby up.
They want neighbors who will be like they are....hard working, self reliant, educated and decent people who want the best for their children.
My cousin died in the most despicable bombing, in the cafeteria of a university, where she had gone, along with dozens of Arab students just to eat.
With neighbors like this, that is why a fence was constructed and these cowardly acts stopped.
Time to send Hamas to heaven or hell, along with their notions of what the map should look like.
We say..."Dayenu" enough!!!
Source DR1
Segura to UAE
Radhames Segura, executive vice president of the Dominican Corporation of State Electricity Enterprises (CDEEE) will head a commission that travels today to the United Arabian Emirates to follow up on the possibility of securing funds that would contribute to alleviate the ongoing electricity problems, as reported in Hoy. Segura, in his third term as head of electricity matters for a Fernandez administration, had betted on installing two coal-fired power plants, but had to abort this plan when financing was not secured.
The first sentence pretty much sums up the "why" part of the Israeli attack.
"Israel launched its military offensive on Dec. 27 to try to halt near-daily Hamas rocket attacks against southern Israel. Palestinian medics say the fighting has killed at least 1,140 Palestinians — roughly half of them civilians — and Israel's bombing campaign caused massive destruction in the Gaza Strip. Thirteen Israelis have been killed, four by rocket fire and nine in ground battles in Gaza, according to the government."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28651944/
From: Dominican Republic, Bonao
"one day you'll all see the importance of not under estimating the Dominican political power in the world, i'll rise to power"
There are good psychiatrist that can give you some medications to address your delusions of grandeur!
"You say maybe my ancestors were there? I believe historical facts prove the Israelites were the very first civilization there?
I do not need to debate this fact; it is well documented."
And? If so does that give you a right to the land? According to my genetic profile my paternal ancestors were somewhere from southwestern europe in the remote past. Does that mean that I have a claim to that land somehow? The jewish claim on israel is based on a religious ethos and nothing else. That should be no basis for international law. The rest of your post is nothing but anecdotes and personal opinions and bears little weight on anything. It doesn't negate anything I've written and you have wisely chosen not to challenge what I have proven to be not true from your intial posts, namely that the jewish dispora was started during the age of the muslim conquest of palestine, which is false, and that the paestnians are all bedoiuns, which is also false.
The first sentence pretty much sums up the "why" part of the Israeli attack.
"Israel launched its military offensive on Dec. 27 to try to halt near-daily Hamas rocket attacks against southern Israel. Palestinian medics say the fighting has killed at least 1,140 Palestinians — roughly half of them civilians — and Israel's bombing campaign caused massive destruction in the Gaza Strip. Thirteen Israelis have been killed, four by rocket fire and nine in ground battles in Gaza, according to the government.""
TH, that's Israel's version of events. It's becoming obvious that they have lied about their knowledge of the UN compounds (check the news stories I already posted and no they're not from wikipedia) that the IDF bombed what's to say that everything else that the IDF is feeding the press isn't also false?
Morning goulet..i woke up early to go horse back riding...I'm in the poconos until the evening...nothing like horseback riding on a wintery morning.
I do not want to debate history with you.
Fact is, the Jews are in Israel and will be until folks like you drive us into extinction. However, that will never happen.
Learn to respect us and we will respect you.
Maybe go back to horseback riding in the Poconos on stolen Indian land in the freezing cold. Your brain, senses and heart has been numbed by the cold.
As I have stated before, "Dayenu"
Israel is dead wrong in the slaughter of innocent civilians; there aren't any rational excuses for the carnage of 300+ children victims of this willy-nilly, helter-skelter "Blitzkrieg".
The Holocaust did happen; However, anyone's death is a loss not just Ashkenzi Jews!
The death of innocent children caught in the midst of war betwen a band of Guerrilas fighting the world's best equipped (they have the atom bomb) little nation, does not excuse Israel from their atrocious attacks. There's no escuse.
I don't see eye to eye with Socialists on many issues; Yet, here I must concede with all those that condemn these attack as barbaric: I'm human and can see the suffering of innocent infants. Remember, "Never Again"?
* CIA agents fed geese on lunch breaks at DC parks during the 1980s; now they have come back to bite us
* A flock of Canada geese caught on film illegally obtaining Florida driver licenses
* ACLU: Term "Canada geese" may be offensive to some Canadians and some geese; lawsuit pending
* Hugo Chavez offers sanctuary to Canada geese in Venezuela
* Obscure flock of suicidal Palestinian pigeons take responsibility for New York bird strike
* All Jewish geese took the day off yesterday; conspiracy movie "Goose Change" expected soon
* Ted Kennedy calls on Detroit to design cars that can float on water like Airbus 8320
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas Mahogany Run
headlines and articles from the weanie leftists * CIA-trained geese responsible for bringing down NYC plane
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Hey is GC is there a ban now on Canadian geese travelling or are they persona non-grata in the USA, I am taking offense personally. I will refer this to my US wildlife counter part, you have been warned, they will carry other mission just like the one you witness in the hudson river.
From: United States Virgin Islands, St Thomas Mahogany Run
Vindicated after all these years, Sen. Kennedy explains how his car was also struck by a flock of Canada geese on a bridge in Chappaquiddick. "This pilot's only mistake was that he didn't wait 24 hrs before notifying his attorney."
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I am laughing out loud (lol) I can not help it, that was good, this is what they call here, a queue jumper. You know after all the geese are smart, they wil not migrate to countries where they know
for well what their faith will be in some natives belly.( countries in africa, Haiti or Cuba)
Shouldn't the Hamas government have some accountability for continuing the firing of missles at Israel from schools, hospitals and even UN buildings. Do you expect the Israelis to just continue to let it happen.
Even after a cease-fire was enacted yesterday, hamas fighter shot off 10 missles at Israel.
What is never mentioned is that Hamas uses children and women to hide behind.
What is never mentioned is that Hamas asks for the aggression by being aggressive.
They have weapons tunnels under schools, mosques and hospitals; a trick they learned from Hizzbullah in Lebanon.
You are just being swayed by the pro-Hamas PR campaign that only recognizes Israeli actions.
Yesterday AM, a missle hit a synagogue in the south. No mention anywhere in any media.
Why the double standard?
Shame on Hamas for thinking their actions will go unanswered.
I am very sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians, but they voted in these bastards, thinking they were the solution.
The Israeli theory of what it tried to do here is summed up in a Hebrew phrase heard across Israel and throughout the military in the past weeks: “baal habayit hishtageya,” or “the boss has lost it.” It evokes the image of a madman who cannot be controlled.
“This phrase means that if our civilians are attacked by you, we are not going to respond in proportion but will use all means we have to cause you such damage that you will think twice in the future,” said Giora Eiland, a former national security adviser...http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/19....eeast/19assess.html?th&emc=th
Come on Hamas has been indiscriminately attacking Israel for years, where was the outcry then. Where was Mr. Fernandez' call for the stop of that violence!! He is trying to play in the big boys league and is only being manipulated and embarrassing himself and the Dominican people. He has lost touch with reality and what is important and the Dominican people are suffering for it. When are the Dominican people going to stand up for their dignity?!
In regards to Israel ... you have to hit them until they are down and out..... Israel must continue until they have broken the will of the terrorist whose life's mission is to destroy not only Israel but all Christian infidels (yes that means you, your family and your way of life), so wake up !!
"I do not want to debate history with you."
A wise choice seeing as you have no grasp on the subject.
Play numbers today goulet...indeed I was in Washington yesterday and it was something else...how on earth did you know that?
If I had seen cheney he would've gotten the middle finger. I worked my way to DC over the weekend and stayed at some freinds who live in Alexandria. Goulet, I've never seen anything like the crowds in DC. Imagine time square on new year's eve. Now spread the same density of people over an entire downtown and then some! It was surreal. I found myself grumbling about the madness during the day but in retrospect I'm glad I was part of the festivities.
I read most of the posts to find out why D ( no time wasted having mistaken DR for D) joins the US and vetoes the UN on resolutions that are plain as day most of the times. On the other hand, I have many friends from DR and my sister in law is Dominican. My wife is Irish and my children are proud Palestinians. Historians call me a product of the Nakse and I have been healing from the devastation of the many wars that I and my parents witnessed in the Holy Lands.
Bekafee..(enough)
ps just learned that DR and Dominica are two different countries..cant wait to visit....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominica
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/
http://images.google.com/images?h....&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2
- Two State solution till our Messeeh comes on his own without being ushered;
- Deal with the massive numbers of refugees and massive numbers of illegal building of Jewish settlements and the illegal demolishing of Palestinian homes; including retributions...it will be cheaper to the US and would turn around to benefit ALL.
- Define the borders, including splitting up Jerusalem into East and West and declaring the Old Walled portion as international since we do not have the wisdom of Solomon (when he offered to cut the baby in half to find out to which mother the baby really belongs to).
Norman is making a lot of qualified unchallenged sense. He quotes Edward Saeed, who my cousins tri
Peace without peace?
Isreal is not done with Hamas: two more weeks and there will be an all out assault again because the Hamas rockets have not stopped. An absent kindergarten was hit Saturday, but the world's media ignores this action and makes Hamas the sole victims of big bad Israel. Wait til Bibi is in office.
Fact is Bibi will be in charge next week and enough of the soft peddeling to the world, UN and US.
Look what Russia did to Chechnya or Georgia-massive attacks to civilian areas that killed thousands. Where was the outrage? and yet missles continue.
Where is your outrage for Darfur? Mumbai? Bali? Pakistan? Afghanistan? You are just programmed by the world's media to beat up Israel. Somehow the guys running Hamas are portrayed as the victims. It is the people who elected these thugs, who terrorize neighborhoods like mobsters and criminals that are victims.Hamas that the world wants to protect?
Is the moon made of cheese too? Is up now down?
When the Muslims accept the state of Israel that day the peace process begin
Did you experience collateral human carnage in your family? ..or your neighbors’ house demolished? Human decency cries out for justice to end the occupation of Palestine and to give the Palestinians the right to return home..I find Norman very human...his attackers like Allen Dershowitz...coy with words and very little decency....a bright mind that can get you off the hook when you murder even your very own wife..that much decency he has.
A Palestinian voice like NF..not a bad idea. What democracy?. do you suppose NF is passing the scrutiny of AIPEC or CAMERA..or the likes or has not and is not paying a price
Along the way, zealous people on both sides have caused countless problems.
My aunt still mourns the loss of her daughter like it just happened. Our whole families lives changed.
We can not negotiate with psychopaths.
The right to return home does not mean the end of Israel.Will the missles than stop? Hardly.
How come for the "countless previous generations" there were not any stories of neighbors butchering each other in the many neighborhoods where the children of Abraham lived next to each other?
Who went after Iraq and was responsible for the slaughter of about 2,000-4,000 Americans and
100,000 Iraqi civilians (collateral carnage?) and 1,000,000 plus more "psychopaths”?...who and what is a psychopath?
Listen also to Noam Chomsky on Charlie Rose - for the reasons and the factual records for the blame of the slaughter of your family and mine.
hint...US failed policy and petting of Israel...a country disgracing the meaning of this wonderful Hebrew word with a flag displaying Holy colors. Can you blame the "psychopaths" for suggesting that the two blue ribbons represent the Zionist’s colonial dreams of securing the lands between the Nile-to-Euphrates? What is today's date"? What would King David say to that?
bekafee
As ethical human beings we consider it our obligation to:
do all we can to allow the information to be diffused as widely and as quickly as possible;
ensure the argument of the oppression and disenfranchisement of the Palestinian people stays in the forefront; present as clear and honest a picture as possible of the meaning of Zionism and the Jewish State; to cross the divide and to unite in our war against the Zionist crime.
We accept and believe in equality of all persons, regardless of their race, religion, political or other orientation. We believe that full and unconditional support of the Palestinian people is a condition sine qua non for activists to adopt, and we recognise that their attachment to their homeland is a fundamental and unalterable condition. To that end we advocate for two non unified States with equal rights for all its citizens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb2pYStv8x8
We will not hesitate to expose the instrumental usage of them, no matter the claimed principles of those who are engaged in creating such campaigns. On the other hand, open dialogue and reasoned argumentation is welcome and greatly encouraged as a tool to understanding and collaboration.
The indigenous people of Palestine are facing extermination by the hands of the Jewish State, and the world keeps silent. The sooner we draw public attention to Israel's needless wanton destruction, the sooner we can do away with this horrifying, insufferable situation.
PLEASE, sign the petition if you share our concerns.
http://www.petitiononline.com/grosveno/petition.html
Any attempts at censoring reasoned critique of Israel and Zionism must be refused a priori, as it is in conflict with the goal of seeking to protect and support the Palestinian people - as their empowerment is the only way to peaceful coexistence for all the populations of the Middle East. Any attempts at dictating what the Palestinians should do will be looked upon with great circumspection and suspicion. Palestinians themselves wish to construct their own future and are not pawns to be shifted on the chessboard. We demand free speech for sincere critics of Zionism and call for an end to campaigns created in order to ostracise its most vocal critics. Smear campaigns will not be tolerated, as we recognise that they are the instrument of choice of Zionists, and detract energy from our work.
http://www.petitiononline.com/EAFORD09/petition.html
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