"The Dominican Republic is getting help from three American pro-life groups in defending its abortion ban."

I wonder how much they help the already born into poverty?

"The abortion debate follows a move by President Leonel Fernández to introduce a new Constitution for the country. The document includes an Amendment to protect all human life from conception."

This Lie-onelito is a real progressive!

The so called pro-life groups are bogus. These same groups are promoting war all over the world including the Iraq war. These groups are not really pro-life, they are pro-death because they support the war in Iraq where more than a million innocent Iraqis were killed. I am not talking about embryo. I am talking about already-born human beings (Children, women, elderly, youth, men, born-babies). If these pro-life groups are serious, they should adopt all children whose mothers can not provide for them.

route 66 stay on subject ...we dont want to listen to your wacko anti semitic positions on The Iraqui war and Gaza and remember in Tehran or Damascus you would not be able to shoot your mouth off at all

that is one of the reasons why there is so much poverty and homelessness. believe it, remember who are we to tell a woman what to do with her body,

tell me that the rich don't do their underground abortion.

These pro life groups are really conservative Christian religious fundamentalists appearing as as pro- life.
Abortion is a hotly debated issue that even causes criminal acts against some doctors that do it at the request of patients that do not want to burden themselves with an unwanted child.
My position is that of more pro choice than pro life. We can not legislate and we shouldn't regarding
the right for a woman to choose her destiny and what to do with her body.
By the same token I also support euthanasia, that is the right of a human being to exit with dignity this
world at the time and place he so chooses.
Any religious fundamentalist position that infringes on our free will as human beings. And all those that
support this anti-women's rights movement are out of sync with reality and our just accommodating to the pressures of well financed and religious right wing politically backed groups that they do not want to confront head on, and choose to capitulate to them.

This same groups are against contraception and the use of artificial means to control births through intelligent planning and contraception, encouraging over population in the world and causing hunger and famine
to millions that deserve better opportunities instead of burdening themselves with additional children that will certainly go hungry and suffer needlessly.
This inflexible position is causing more hunger and poverty in the world through over population, more so in areas such as Haiti and Africa that in them already exist alarming levels of poverty.
The Christian and Catholic church through their dogmatic beliefs about birth control share the burden of overpopulation in the world and are directly responsible for the famine it creates.

The holly rollers come to DR to tell us how we should behave.

I wonder if a bunch of us nappy headed Dominicans showed up at their Sunday morning services and sat in the front PEWS how much compassion they would show for our hedonists souls!

josean
They will tell "us" REPENT THOU SINFUL SOULS" spray us with holy water and then burn us at the stake to purge our souls.
Sort of like a modern day inquisition, that's what it is.
They are putting pressure on Mr. No Balls so he can back them in their "do the right thing" quest.
And of course him being the politically rear sniffing hound that he is, he gets them on their side.
"Any little vote counts", that is all that matters to him, not beliefs, not what's best for the nation, not anything, just smile to the powerful and look at the gallup polls to decide what side to back gracefully with fancy footwork, flip flopping with no shame whatsoever.

this is a very sensitive topic, and josean you are a sick person

I'm an atheist ( proud) , but i think abortion is morally wrong when it has no reason to doing it

neon_genesis
You can disagree without throwing insults at people.
This is what intolerance is and there are other contributors that write to DT on a daily basis with the same self serving slanderous comments being weeded out.
Don't add fuel to the fire by your insolence and I am not the DT cyber police either, but lately there have been many people banned from posting in DT because of their unchecked profanity.
And BTW women that choose abortion before 3 months gestation time have their very powerful
reasons for "doing it", and we should not be the judge of their free will or legislate against their right to make decisions on their own body and their future.

The DR now stands alone, I believe, in the hemisphere in denying abortion rights to women even in the case of risk to the life of the mother, incest or rape. The entire College of OB-GYNs is in support of the repeal of this archaic law which criminalizes abortion not only for the doctor but for the woman as well. Abortions are readily available for women of means here in Santo Domingo. Only the poor suffer from this ban.

No reason for having an abortion? Clearly written by a man.

Mr.Generoso
Even though I am a fervent catholic I agree with your well constructed essay.
Over population is a serious issue affecting humanity and specially Dominicans with the Haitian problem next door and the catholic church is wrong to side against the rights of women.
I am also against priests being celibate, that causes many problems including pedophilia.

oh, great! now the u.s. is supporting poverty. where will these anti abortion groups be 1 year after the child is born when the mother can not feed her child and 5 other children so she goes into prostitution to earn a pesos.

these u.s. conservative christian groups/ prolife groups make me ill. why don't they as well as leonel walk in the mother's shoes first before meddling!!??

it is the reasons why many contry allow abortion because, teen having kid and there is no way to educate a child on this issue. in regard of dr there is no education on sexuality and prevention so to put keep such a law is idiocy of the goverment i know that abortion is not the right thing to do but what else can prevent overpopulation, poverty and homelessness in dr, with the lack of education there would never be anything good about these laws.

I don’t like abortions, but it is a harsh reality. DR is a poor state; hundreds of children go to sleep starving. Public education is ridicules and sub standard. The Infant mortality rate is one of the highest in Latin America. Adolescent pregnancies are on the rise and the income is on the decline.
We do not have universal healthcare, we do not have a just government.
What we do have is a sex tourism industry. What we do have is the nerve to tell a woman what to do with her body and when she gives birth we do nothing while her and her child starves.

so chill you agree with me don't you?

remember poverty and uneducated keep those corrupts individual in power like your presidente

more kids in the world keep more people in the porverty level, look at the american white they only have one or maybe two kids what that tell you, look at the poor more than three or four children in their household, like i said before the rich now how to handle that clandestine abortion their solutiion.

I'm not against abortion, but I'm leaning more the other way

Do you all not know that at 72 hours after conception the fetus has developed a heart and is already beating, and that by 3 months in the womb it is a human being, the fetus (baby) fits onto the palm of your hand and if you have a magnifying glass you can clearly distinguish its head, body, legs, arms, alot more details and can breath.

So when you have an abortion they actually cut up the fetus part by part with surgical scissors or use the suction option at 12 weeks gestation, if you believe that women have the right to stop the life of a human being just because its an unconvienence right now, or because their too poor to have it......then don't watch these videos.........unless you want!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8XZYOu-99E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpnDDHhgGzk

we all know that, that those not change the right for women to choose, get it.

Gatita, but do you care about all those kids 3-6 years old at almost every traffic light in SD or elsewhere in DR begging for a peso to eat? Do you?

again gattita whatever, would you like me to tell you what to do with your body, in that case those fake boob and @ss you would not be able to have it. get it gatitawhatever

gatitapequena, are you willing to send money to dr to sopport these kids ?

it is better to stay quiet gattitawhatever

This is part of the conspiracy practiced by the rich and their cohorts of the cloth. The idea simply is to keep the poor people poor forever. What better way than to 1)Deny them a real education, 2) Keep them attempting to feed off the corrupt government, and 3) saddle them with the expense of unwanted children, so that their only concern can be in putting food on the table. A woman has the right to chose what to do with her body, and those that deny that right do so for a reason other than their inner goodness.

you are correct and it is a shameful, I had post similar coment. right on juanb

bruto......first of all I don't have any fake boobs or butt cheeks or the need to be getting involved with someone with the likes of you to need money for that and second of all theirs only one person that can make me shut up.......and its not you

third abortion isn't the way if its that important to you all then why don't you all start working towards the DR to start promoting ethical means of unwanted pregnancies.......ie.....like free condoms, more affordable birth control, and education

And loose that ignorant attitude you have about being behind women who do abortions because their poor, or just don't want it

READ THIS...............that child is innocent, it didn't ask for you and its mother to have unprotected sex, it didn't cry and beg you to make him/her, its not his/her fault its on its way, it doesn't deserve for it to have its lights turned off like a light switch.

Brooto.......by the way.......no hard feelings about the issue at hand its just a subject

So Ondevert..............get the firing squad ready, start lining all them babies 10 years and younger so we can start the elimination process before we start going under...........the water that is

oh and don't forget to included in that line-up all them pregnant women that are poor and be sure you have a sign out there that reads "UNWANTED PREGNANCIES HERE" so they can be eliminated to, becuase yes i understand that at this rate were all going to die of stravation here in the DR because its really imposible to have a life here.

And most importantly make sure you let the DR know about this elimination because its very important that all those daddies that played apart of this and are no longer a part of it they will know where their offsprings went since they really didn't care then it shouldn't matter that they get elliminated, besides we all know...........its the womans fault for these babies being born.

look gatita it was a figure of speech i do not know you, and you i right it is nothing but a subject but there is something you need to know there is nothing we can do regarding dr everything there is out of control, i am just putting my two cents, but since there is no form of education regarding the topic the only people that are really comiting sin are the richs, they are the only one who could really afford a abortion, i still got love for you

aaaawwwwww i don't know you either and yes its just a debatable subject which is not to be taking offense to anyone so don't worry.........lolove

Written by: gatitapequena, 17 Jan 2009 3:58 PM
From: United States, Somewhere in the World

third abortion isn't the way if its that important to you all then why don't you all start working towards the DR to start promoting ethical means of unwanted pregnancies.......ie.....like free condoms, more affordable birth control, and education

Then YOU should start forcing your government to expell the Catholic Church from the soil of DR or better when at it from the soil of this planet. They want people to be uneducated and poor so they can have them under their heel and in the fold. The more poor the more individuals to scare into their herd with all the nonsense they proclaim. If the Catholic Church wasnt about religion, but any other organisation without links to religion, that organisation would have been put on the Bush list of terror organisations, and endited for being reponsible for thousand upon thousand of lifes lost and for AIDS/HIV of epidemic proportions.

Well, in stead of fordbidding abortions the so-called "pro-life" people should work to prevent the not-wanted pregnancies by providing anti-conception means and sexual education. This would effectively prevent a lot of young girls getting pregnant at teenager age. But no, that's not what the pro-life people are doing. And if they were really so concerned about human life why are they not reaching out to the people that are in danger of dying due to lack of economical means. They can't afford medical help, they don't have access to nutrition knowledge and last but not least they just don't get enough food. I feel sorry but I only can qualify the so-called pro-life people as hypocrite claiming having "God on their side", but are so wrong. They should use money to help improve the position of the poor and not to support their ideology and actually live to Jezus' rule to love other people like you yourself..

maxsanpedro
Welcome back!
These same activist for pro-life are the ones that prohibit the use of condoms for contraception and disease control as mandated by the catholic church and their blessed and holy pope, his excellency the ex-german Nazi wehrmacht soldier, Pope Benedict XVI, or Joseph Ratzinger.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/apr2005/pope-a21.shtml

A worried woman went to her gynecologist and said: 'Doctor, I have a serious problem and desperately need your help! My baby is not even 1 yr. old and I'm pregnant again. I don't want kids so close together.' So the doctor said: 'Ok, and what do you want me to do?' She said: 'I want you to end my pregnancy and I'm hoping you'll help me.' The doctor thought for a bit, and after some silence he said to the woman: 'I think I have a better solution for your problem. It's less dangerous for you, too.'

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Then he continued: 'You see, in order for you not to have to take care of two babies at the same time, let's kill the one in your arms. This way, you could rest some before the other one is born. If we're going to kill one of them, it doesn't matter which one it is. There would be no risk for your body if you chose the one in your arms.

The writings of the so called "pro-life"people here are getting better and better. The only thing these insults prove is the level of the writers of these insults..Well I pity you and despise your use of free speech.

DT, this A issue that is very divisive, as you have witness from previous posting, please moderate better so that we can have a civil argument without offending.

ok well for your alls information I'm not catholic and don't know their behaviors, never grew up around that, so if you all know that much about their behavior and their beliefs.......then get up off your rompers and start getting active and shut your pie holes up if your against banning abortion.........after all what the h...ll do you know about fetuses or kids most of you all just have the pleasure of helping in the making of them........thats it.

What i don't understand is why is their a man behind all of this, trying to get women to see sonogram of her fetus before making a decision, like i said before he probably doesn't even pay that much attention to his own.

I don't agree with abortion. I think it's wrong, but at the same time I think women should have the right to make that decision. It should be legal but with restrictions.

In 2050 a child that is born this year will be 41 years old and sharing the planet with almost 3 billion more people. People need to think about their childs future.

I don't think abortion is the solution, more like abstinence until married ?

World Population Growth

Year Population
1 200 million
1000 275 million
1500 450 million
1650 500 million
1750 700 million
1804 1 billion
1850 1.2 billion
1900 1.6 billion
1927 2 billion
1950 2.55 billion
1955 2.8 billion
1960 3 billion
1965 3.3 billion
1970 3.7 billion
1975 4 billion
1980 4.5 billion
1985 4.85 billion
1990 5.3 billion
1995 5.7 billion
1999 6 billion
2006 6.5 billion
2010 6.8 billion
2012 7 billion
2020 7.6 billion
2030 8.2 billion
2040 8.8 billion
2050 9.2 billion

Jander i agree with you somewhat on abstinence until married however i think that if you can't afford protection then you shouldn't be able to afforrd to be having sex.....because the decision to have sex could be more costly then a child, you could also get an incurable disease.

edward i agree with you also women should be able to make up their own minds about their bodies, however like i said before if given that choice why then aren't they making that right choice before they have sex, ie...comdom use, birth control, the morning after pill, before the fetus has developed a heartbeat........you know what i mean, so they won't have to resort to being murderers, or bring an unwanted child into this already impovrished world.

gatitapequena,
if you can actually stop 2 horney teens from having sex you are one fabulous gatita. it's a great thing to strive for, but we are created as sexual beings and i have a hard time believing abstinence will work. more education needs to be placed on safer sex practices.

avacado, i know your not green..................jajajaja

anyways yes your right you can't stop 2 teens from having sex, but as parents of those children they should of already been taught, and shown examples of why they need to protect themselves before they have this experience, yes education from the parent, not society.

And abstinence does work.........using all the right tools, education, and their willing too understand what it means, and applying it.

and if they are teens like josean they should never be allowed to reproduce ...this should be tatooed on them ...NO CHILDREN

when josean was made they threw away the mold and then they beat the shit out of the mold maker

I never meant to say this was remotely possible , or is it ?

Responsibility perhaps?

Not just here but around the world parents either don't want to or can't monitor their childrens activities for various reasons.

IS AN EMBRYO A HUMAN BEING IN THE FIRST PLACE?

This and right to an abortion is clearly up to the indivdual (s)

My position as that of others is that the Catholic Church is responsible for teaching their archaic beleifs That are now 2000 years old.

PS , some of these groups from the US are fanatics and terrorists.

Not all but pro-abortionists are not the ones who blew up clinics.

This article may explain a lot of the situations that exist in our world today.

Catholicism and Capitalism
by Murray N. Rothbard
by Murray N. Rothbard



This memo, sent in May 1960 to the Volker Fund, was entitled "Readings on Ethics and Capitalism, Part I: Catholicism."

There is, first of all, no official and specific "Catholic position" on capitalism. There are enormous differences among Catholics on political and economic questions: and Catholics can be found who are left-wing anarchists, socialists, middle-of-the-roaders, fascists, and ardent free-enterprisers and individualists. Even on such strict dogmatic matters as the immorality of birth control, Catholics, agreeing on that, differ as to whether birth control should or should not be illegal.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard59.html

How can a group call itself pro-life when it's promoting war? How hypocritical. Give me a break!

Jander,
You are right. These so-called pro-life groups are terrorist groups. They had killed doctors and bombed clinics all over the U.S.

These fanatic-religious-christian-right-extremists-KKK are worse than the Taliban. Such as Timothy McVeigh. Don't fall for those phony.

route 66 worse than the Taliban you say ? are you serious ?..or are you a Wahabi Muslim ?

This have been an excellent, wise and caring topic for Dominicans to looks at many of the consequences of abortion. Abortion is an inhumane act performed upon a child and it’s inhumane physical and mental well being of the mother’s.

Some would say that it is inhumane to force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term when that pregnancy could cost her her life. Or was the result of rape. Or is the child of her father, her uncle, her brother.That is the current law in the DR. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES.

It is not just for 9 months that a child needs a mother but for 18 or 20 years. If a woman is not willing to be a mother, you are condemning any child born to a life of misery.

All of you who post against abortion will certainly be taken seriously in your opinions, providing you have already adopted one or two unwanted children.

I have two now 12 and 17 and I am very queesy on the subject.of abortion and choose to try to block it out of my mind and hope it goes away....I am an escapist in that sense because I am torn between two points of view ....I am sure I am not alone in these feelings

mountainannie, know this........no one is forcing any woman to carry a pregnancy, she chose this when she had unprotected sex.......common don't tell me she didn't know what the consequences of her actions were, ofcourse in it relating to costing her.....her life yes they would terminate the pregnancy by law if they had too.

If it was a result of a rape, or insest.....ok so what, did that child ask to be implemented into her uterus? this would be a reason to turn the lights out on this fetus......so she could go thru the pregnancy and put it up for adoption.

Any yes its for the rest of your life that your child will need you, but also if a woman is not willing to be a mother than she needs to take care of that and make sure she doesn't produce any children so they won't be living a life of misery.

Lastly so whos going to condem us for chosing to be against abortion......you? God? or Satan?
Yes there are many children up for adoption and not very many being adopted

Bravo to you --gouletcolonial! I don't think that even the most pro choice feminist (which I am) would ever be comfortable saying that she was "pro-abortion"- just "pro-abortion rights". I know many women who have had them and none of them undertook the procedure lightly but with grave consideration and concerns. Most of these women were both intelligent and affluent enough to be able to afford contraception and knew the consequences but no birth control method except complete abstinence is foolproof. If a nation wishes to maintain its population at replacement rate, then abortion must be one of the tools that is allowed to women. Unless and until the men in the world start campaigning for vasectomies for themselves, and stop all sex tourism, etc etc etc

which i'm sure its not because a lack of parents not wanting to adopt, its the laws that make it difficult to adopt a child.

which i am also against the idea that couples adopt international from where they live instead of where their from, being that we have so many children in their, does that not tell you something...when couples start adopting international.

gc, i know it ain't easy.......its just an issue matter, peace!!!!!!