NEW YORK.- Dubbing it “a flower for Juan Pablo Duarte/A thorn against corruption,” the movement Citizens Against Corruption in the Dominican Republic staged another vigil to protest the malaise that affects Dominican society from top to bottom, specifically the government and the military.
The group’s second vigil is slated for Sunday, January 25, one day prior to the date that marks the birth of Dominican founder Juan Pablo Duarte, in Upper Manhattan’s square in his name on 170th Street, between Broadway and St. Nicholas avenues.
The organizers cite recent situations, including that of the ruling PLD party senator for San Pedro (east) allegedly involved in a corruption scandal in New York, and the National Lottery’s “handout” of $27 million pesos for Dominican legislators to “buy toys.”
“That happens when impunity and corruption are still being denounced, such as the pardons granted to Vivian Lubrano, the brain of the Baninter (bank) fraud of more than 55 billion pesos, and when the national dignity is still wounded by the members of the Accounts Chamber’s shamelessness of giving themselves a one million peso bonus each,” the movement said.
From: Spain, Ibiza, Minorca, Mallorca
This is a demonstration of the Hard Working People who reside in NYC; Many who are baffled outraged at the Cavemen in Charge who know nothing but filthy lucre. Where do they get these ruffians?
Who elected these pirates who diguise themselves as Socialistas (Coca_Cola Communists) and do nothing, but pillage and loot. They don't like to work for a living if they can fool ingnorant and naive people with their rhetoric; So, they run for Political office and use their 'BA' degrees.
Then, the pillage begins! No need to punch a time clock, when you can just steal your way to wealth?
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
hear ,hear
Written by: juanb, 19 Jan 2009 11:43 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Throw the bums out.
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
Arsenio,
What they need to do is build a fire under the rear-ends of their family members still in the DR to do the same. I am all for people earning a decent wage based upon job duties but look at how much the assembly members make in the DR and for what. That in itself is a crime.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
ciby is going to run ....his previous denials are just a come on ...".Vote for Ciby in Staten Island and Santiago A man you can trust for the Presidency ".....we are starting a draft movement
From: United States
Go for it. Good luck.
This is what should happen. ALL Dominicans should take some responsibility for transparent corruption in their country. It is an embarrassment to you all.
Impeach LF and his band of cronies.
Written by: ajm135, 19 Jan 2009 1:36 PM
From: United States
When corruption is so on the open just like DR that brings people like Hugo chavez knocking on your door steps..
Written by: winstric, 19 Jan 2009 1:40 PM
From: United States
Good For These People!!!
Their Actions Are Being Noticed Loud And Clear.
Bravo,Bravo,Bravo!!!!!
From: United States
Oh soooooooooooo funny!
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
I applaud these citizens for taking a stand against blatant corruption. Are similar actions being taken in DR? I am against all corruption, no matter who is in power. I am obviously a conservative who believes in honesty, freedom, free market economics and capitalism, and I know I will get some flack for latter, but so be it. I am sure most of the flack I will get on last comment will be from those of you residing in US who hate capitalism and won't go back to DR, Venezuela or Cuba-darn hypocrites!
Written by: josean, 19 Jan 2009 4:58 PM
From: United States
From: United States
the Dominicans abroad have a different approach, because they see a different reality. when they get pulled over by a traffic cop, they get a warning, or a summons; not a request for a payoff. when they pass through customs at JFK, some get flagged, others pass right through without a bag check. they never, ever, have to pay anybody off in the immigration line. the moment they enter America for the very first time, they know they are looking at something different. if they have an electrical problem, Con Edison will send a workman right away; he will not demand a "propina" to fix the problem. they do not have to pay six buscones at customs to import something. if they pass the driving test, they get their license, without having to pay the tester. if you need a passport, you fill out the forms, pay the assigned fees, and wait till it gets to you. now that they have seen this, they realise that their country is a topsy-turvy bed of slimeballs.
Written by: devin11, 19 Jan 2009 8:59 PM
From: United States, The Greatest City
I would have liked to learn more about this protest, there is no mention of it on the web or any of the New York dailies or talk radio shows. I hope this is a grass roots movement that will inspire the people of the Dominican Republic to peacefully demand political change in what has to be the most transparently corrupt Electoral, Judiciary and Military system in current times. I also hope that the organizers in DR do a better job than the ones here because no one knew anything about it.
From: United States
these Dominicans abroad are the ONLY hope for the country. the people here, who are accustomed to the way things are, are the products of the culture of expediency. people in the DR, at the general level, are taught that everything revolves around opportunistic money grabs, and not basic principles of social order. so, as is the case with the current motorcycle helmet law, the average guy does not see the law as designed to teach him the need for self preservation. some politico, or his relatives, bought a container load of helmets from china, or taiwan, and wants to unload them. so, he gets his enablers in the police department to enforce the helmet law. when the helmets are all sold out, we will return to business as usual. it is a cat and mouse game, with the guys who have no helmets dodging the police for a while, till the heat is off. it is the same with everything; enforce the law when revenue or profit is needed. no wonder people laugh at laws!
Written by: devin11, 19 Jan 2009 11:10 PM
From: United States, The Greatest City
Wow Dread, you have an uncanny knack for smacking reality into the way things really are. That is a great introspection and manner of seeing things as they are and not as you wish them to be.
From: United States
thank you, Devin. this is one area that fascinates me. since only some laws can generate revenue easily, the rest of the social maladies go unattended. it is too hard to make money from people who urinate in public, so, every guy whips out Mr Johnson and pees in broad view of everyone else. there are no strictures against it which have any effect. in the USA, when the cops are in a really bad mood, they will charge you with indecent exposure, instead of public urination. you are the legal luminary, so you can tell me the difference in terms of penalty, and if the charge can be made to stick. nonetheless, you do not see men taking a whizz all over new york in broad daylight. this is because it is a society which believes in social order. no spitting everywhere you feel like, because it is a health hazard. no aircraft decibel level music; it disturbs others. no all night, raucous parties; others are entitled to sleep. laws here are for making money, not for social conformity!!
From: United States, New York
While it's good the protest took place, it was in the wrong place, it should have been in DR. A better protest would have been to stop sending remittances and travels for a month, so the DR government could lose out on tax revenue. If that doesn't work, then nothing short of a full-blown coup d'etat will do.
From: United States
the problem with any kind of boycott, such as withholding remittances, is that it hurts the unintended target. if things get tight, the politicos will just take theirs first, and let the average Joe go to hell in a handbasket. come to think of it, they do that when times are good, too!
Written by: Jander, 20 Jan 2009 1:59 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Dreadlocks only states the obvious duh no genius there and he-she so little experince here that his so called Genius is just a bit above common sense.
Common sense in the form we know doesn;t exist here "lógic" is a concept.
"Rebel Rouser's" the DR isn't any different now then it was 20 ,30, 40 years ago.
Due to technology the Internet and some good reporters it is now being brought out into the open.
The idea is good, but unless someone decides to occupy this country and enforce martial law you may as will piss in the wind.. thats public urination but may not be against the law.
From: United States
Jander , i do not purport to be a genius; never did , never will. i am like the baseball umpire; i call them as i see them. what i assert, however, is that you are a simpleton, who can barely string two lines together. as to common sense; what would you know about such an entity? by the way, "rebel rousers"? is that part of your common sense? go read your posting; it looks like something written by a six year old with ADD. maybe you should get your gardener to edit your thoughts before you post this nonsense; you should be embarrassed. if you had any self respect, you would be more reluctant to dish out insults, since you are pretty pathetic yourself.
From: United States, Reality Check
Well said comments, Dreads. We should all support the Citizens Against Corruption in the RD here state-side. If anyone has contact info then please share it.
juan_de_eeuu@hotmail.com
From: United States
Dreads stated 19 Jan 2009 9:44 PM
these Dominicans abroad are the ONLY hope for the country
================
I have little faith.
Dreads, you will need to dissect these groups to learn who they are, their background their values and integrity. These are the same Dominicans who decry corruption but contribute to the problem if and when they see an opportunity for gains. They are part of the axis of evil.
From: United States
Dom Rep will never be anything more than what it is , simply because Dominicans lack the desire, and will to act, and sacrifice. Dominicans want change but at the price equal to their integrity...... cheap.
From: United States
sadly, Ladronaso, i am losing faith, myself. every day i see more and more incomprehensible things. i have a friend who attends university , and i asked her to bring me a copy of the monday night class handout. yesterday, she informed me that there were no classes on monday, because there was no electricity. that is not a good way to run a railroad. she says it happens all the time, with no make-up dates. how can you educate a people when there are no lights for night classes, i ask you?
Written by: tejano, 21 Jan 2009 9:27 AM
From: United States
This is the sort of action that needs not only to happen in NY but in Houston, Philly and Miami wherever there is a Dominican consulate or Dominican presence, it should be coordinated and it should be continued. Hopefully that fever for decent government and an end to impunity in regards to corruption, disregard for your laws (i.e. Fernandez recent pardons) and absolute disrespect for the working class men and women will bring this regime to and end and punish those who have robbed and stolen for the Dominican people.
From: United States
sadly, tejano, the only thing that will bring this regime to an end is an unfavorable election result. then , we will get another bunch of jokers to continue with more of same. i line up with ladronaso; the dog is dead!
From: United States
Written by: tejano, 21 Jan 2009 9:27 AM
This is the sort of action that needs not only to happen in NY but in Houston, Philly and Miami wherever there is a Dominican consulate or Dominican presence, it should be coordinated and it should be continued.
=====================
I have made an attempt to muster the intelligent and willing, intelligent responded but the willing were MIA.
Dominicans prefer to come here and talk talk talk ....... and thats about it.
Written by: tejano, 21 Jan 2009 2:44 PM
From: United States
Written by: ladronaso, 21 Jan 2009 1:55 PM
Dominicans prefer to come here and talk talk talk ....... and thats about it.
Sadly Ladronaso I have noticed. It is a shame a people have given up on its own country, electing to flee or those that stay behind pillage the riches at the expense of their own people. There is a lot of courage on these pages but nothing more.
From: United States
Regarding: tejano, 21 Jan 2009 2:44 PM
.................................................................... There is a lot of courage on these pages but nothing more.
=========================
I say not. Courage is precisely what Dominicans lack.
Courage defined:
the quality of mind or spirit that enables a person to face difficulty, danger, pain, etc., without fear.
and or "without little regard to the consequences."
Dominicans as a whole are not courageous people. They are a peaceful, conforming and complacent people.
From: United States
i would take it a step further, ladronaso. to me , they appear to be a defeated people. they have lost the will to fight, and demand better. the powers that be realise it, and that is why they dish out the abuse unrelievedly.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
sadly, tejano, the only thing that will bring this regime to an end is an unfavorable election result."..says dread........Maybe you can get in touch with Hamas and they can send you some rockets and you can start a revolution ...then you can rig josean up as a suicide bomber...and who knows at least you will make the front page ...beats throwing shoes down at the embassy
From: United States
GC, you are so idiotic that your remarks should be removed as spam. what does an unfavorable election result have to do with rockets? you are plain filth, man. to try to paint and defame me as a person who would advocate violence against a state in which i am a guest is the scurrilous , contemptible action of people who are as low as you are. you are the scum that is beneath the barrel when one tips it over; a real bottom feeder. you are comprehensively unprincipled; there is no limit to how low you will stoop.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
I am a limbo dancer .....How low can you go.....and you are a picture no artist could paint
From: United States
i pity you. i can see you now; a doddering, broken old man who probably still believes that he will some day be considered socially acceptable, and humorous. what a drag it is growing old.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
dread dont start your pompous airbag routine ....get a grip on your self importance and settle down
From: United States
self importance? this coming from the guy who opens and closes every post? i just read an article by a research fellow from the Institute of Hemispheric Affairs. these are usually people who have attained high levels of academic achievement, and have their bona fides to show for it. plenty reading, plenty research, tons of methodology. guess what? some guy referred to her findings on the Dominican tourism stagnation as "BS , and hot air. yes, this guy has no facts, no academic firepower, no powers of analysis. yet, he chose to ridicule and belittle the writer, with no postulate of his own. know who this arrogant SOB was? take a guess! i might be considered self important, but at least i do not argue about the history and culture of Hispaniola with the likes of Mr Lautaro, Carlos Franco, and Cibaeno. i know my limits, and when i am out of my depth. you, on the other hand, are merely drowning..
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Dread you know what they say about academics " "Those that can — do: those that can't — teach."
Written by: josean, 22 Jan 2009 12:24 AM
From: United States
And those that can't teach, sit all day in their soiled DEPENDS posting nonsense from imaginary locations on DT.
From: United States
touche, josean. those who and neither do nor teach are just a pestilence upon the planet.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Dread and Igor again try to gang up on the Mighty Metro to no avail
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Who elected these pirates who diguise themselves as Socialistas (Coca_Cola Communists) and do nothing, but pillage and loot. They don't like to work for a living if they can fool ingnorant and naive people with their rhetoric; So, they run for Political office and use their 'BA' degrees.
Then, the pillage begins! No need to punch a time clock, when you can just steal your way to wealth?
What they need to do is build a fire under the rear-ends of their family members still in the DR to do the same. I am all for people earning a decent wage based upon job duties but look at how much the assembly members make in the DR and for what. That in itself is a crime.
Go for it. Good luck.
This is what should happen. ALL Dominicans should take some responsibility for transparent corruption in their country. It is an embarrassment to you all.
Impeach LF and his band of cronies.
Their Actions Are Being Noticed Loud And Clear.
Bravo,Bravo,Bravo!!!!!
Your in great company just be careful in the gym!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/financ....-face-in-Lehman-Brothers-gym.html
Common sense in the form we know doesn;t exist here "lógic" is a concept.
"Rebel Rouser's" the DR isn't any different now then it was 20 ,30, 40 years ago.
Due to technology the Internet and some good reporters it is now being brought out into the open.
The idea is good, but unless someone decides to occupy this country and enforce martial law you may as will piss in the wind.. thats public urination but may not be against the law.
juan_de_eeuu@hotmail.com
these Dominicans abroad are the ONLY hope for the country
================
I have little faith.
Dreads, you will need to dissect these groups to learn who they are, their background their values and integrity. These are the same Dominicans who decry corruption but contribute to the problem if and when they see an opportunity for gains. They are part of the axis of evil.
This is the sort of action that needs not only to happen in NY but in Houston, Philly and Miami wherever there is a Dominican consulate or Dominican presence, it should be coordinated and it should be continued.
=====================
I have made an attempt to muster the intelligent and willing, intelligent responded but the willing were MIA.
Dominicans prefer to come here and talk talk talk ....... and thats about it.
Dominicans prefer to come here and talk talk talk ....... and thats about it.
Sadly Ladronaso I have noticed. It is a shame a people have given up on its own country, electing to flee or those that stay behind pillage the riches at the expense of their own people. There is a lot of courage on these pages but nothing more.
.................................................................... There is a lot of courage on these pages but nothing more.
=========================
I say not. Courage is precisely what Dominicans lack.
Courage defined:
the quality of mind or spirit that enables a person to face difficulty, danger, pain, etc., without fear.
and or "without little regard to the consequences."
Dominicans as a whole are not courageous people. They are a peaceful, conforming and complacent people.