SANTO DOMINGO. - United States federal authorities will transfer 30 relatives and associates of former Dominican Army captain Quirino Paulino, to protection them against possible retaliation by criminal groups and as part of his plea bargaining agreement.
The information was provided by the lawyers of Belkis Elizabeth Ubrí, Paulino’s wife, Felix Damián Olivares and Freddy Castillo, who affirm that the U.S. authorities in charge of Paulino’s prosecution have told their Dominican par, National District prosecutor Alejandro Moscoso, of their plat to transfer the 30 people.
“The transfer of Quirino’s relatives and associates is contemplated, around 30 people, according to the agreement that the North American authorities reached with the husband of our defendant,” said.
On September 16 the National District prosecutor and New York South District Federal prosecutor Michael J. Garci'a, referred to an agreement with Paulino and that nation’s yielding to the Dominican State the assets seized, worth US$14.5 million.
Written by: BASTA, 22 Jan 2009 7:41 AM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs
Crime pays, just ask lie-onelie
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
can you imagine 30 Dominicans keeping a secret ?
Written by: generoso, 22 Jan 2009 8:22 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
I have never heard of that many persons going on the witness protection program, for just one criminal inditement, must be a first.
Does anybody have any statistics?
I also wonder how good the information was that he provided for such a generous deal, including
the returning of part of his money to him to live like a king in the USA.
Granted he will probably be moved to a little town in a far away state, but that is a lot better than being in solitary confinement in New York.
Hipoloco stated that LF has the list but has not made it public, that raises many questions now.
Are they waiting for the public to forget or things to cool down to give out the names?
Or they never will?
The US should publish the names on the list or leak it otherwise and not leave it to "diplomatic courtesy" for DR government to come clean with it and stop protecting the rich and powerful, or use it as leverage for political black mail.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
maybe he is waiting for a slow news day ....Quirino must have had some powerful info to get this kind of a deal ....I cant wait to see the names .....all of them ...not just the sacrificial goats
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
According to the applicable laws and treaties, the application for extradition is to be processed as is by the Supreme Court. The diplomatic channels through which it is transmitted by the US Justice Dept. to the SCJ have no authority to remove names from such a list.
So unless it is all kept hush hush on the American side, it will eventually become public record. Normally (is there anything normal here), WPP deals are kept secret, and nobody knows about extradition proceedings until they come for you.
So, lo and behold, when the extradition orders are issued, the distinguished gentlemen whose names appear on The List will be long gone.
Written by: josean, 22 Jan 2009 8:57 AM
From: United States
Lie-onel lost the list on the METRO.
Written by: generoso, 22 Jan 2009 8:57 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
WalterPolo
"when the extradition orders are issued, the distinguished gentlemen whose names appear on The List will be long gone"
And how long does that process take? In days, weeks and months please.
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
Generoso
And how long does that process take? In days, weeks and months please.
That's the catch: from US Justice Department to US External Affairs to Dominican Embassy to Dominican External Afairs (Cancilleria) to Dominican Justice Dept. to Supreme Court: who knows??
In "normal" cases and countries, the administrative process is rather quick and confidential, for obvious reasons. It doesn't take a week from the US indictment until the case is before the foreign jurisdiction.
The defendant finds out about the proceedings when the cops show up with an arrest warrant which is mandatory by law: there is no bail in extradition matters.
I remember, once Quirino's case started before the SCJ, he was ordered and shipped out within about a month. But he was already arrested and accused here, and pressure from the DEA was at a max.
In the case of "The List" (not Schindler's), it looks to me as another mediatic splash that will be without consequence.
Written by: generoso, 22 Jan 2009 9:21 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
I will be very surprised if that is not the case.
A word to the wise though, I saw an interview on TV with Quirino's defense lawyer Carlos Balcacer and he stated that he had seen the list but declined to say the names on it. So more than one person knows the names on that list and for some dubious reason are keeping it quiet to protect some "honest politican or big business man" from his "honorable" name being made public.
Same o, same o. It's the same BS as usual, protecting the rich and powerful while the poor are toast.
Written by: Carmen, 22 Jan 2009 9:28 AM
From: United States, New York City
You've got to be kidding me! CRIME DOES PAY....I'm in the wrong profession... Is this the messege we are sending our people? Sell drugs, kill our children and later on all you do is rat on the person who help you obtain these drugs and we will protect you and your family....I am so embarrass to be an American right now!
Written by: Jander, 22 Jan 2009 10:14 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Looks like there will be vacancy at Guantanamo soon.
Just need to upgrade the rooms and you could have a "chivato's" paradise.
I have to shake my head at what we do some time.
Written by: Jander, 22 Jan 2009 10:20 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Can anyone guess who he gave up?
If you see one x-prez joining the the "Hair Club for Men" and soon after mysteriously disappears that would be one of my guesses. Maybe a few other big fishies in Col and the US.
This must be huge!
Written by: Jander, 22 Jan 2009 10:26 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: Carmen, 22 Jan 2009 9:28 AM
From: United States
You've got to be kidding me! CRIME DOES PAY....I'm in the wrong profession... Is this the messege we are sending our people? Sell drugs, kill our children and later on all you do is rat on the person who help you obtain these drugs and we will protect you and your family....I am so embarrass to be an American right now!
You and I both, but this isn't new the Sammy the Bull was a murderer and he brought down Gotti.
Thre were a lot of mob guys who snitched and walked free..
Written by: Jander, 22 Jan 2009 10:27 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Oh but I forgot then Gotti's family got there own TV show.. ain't it great!
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime...lest you a got a song to sing
Written by: Divinna, 22 Jan 2009 12:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"Growing up Paulino" has a ring to it.
I can see it on MTV already.
From: United States
You and I know that Quirino is still being taken good care off! By that I mean he's still sucking on the cow's tit. I can't believe all the bs this guy is getting away with. Do you think if he was an average Joe he would have received the same treatment? NO! They would have send the people in the list to get him and all those related to the crime (Relatives, friends etc..) I am so disgusted with this case! It shows you how messed up and corrupted our country's legal system is. And by the way, it looks as if they are treating him pretty well in prison.... Every time they show him he looks shabbier and shabbier... It makes me sick! I can't believe the USA is taking in those rats... They will be right back to where they started; dealing and hassling, this time getting paid in dollars.....
Written by: Divinna, 22 Jan 2009 12:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic
You know the USA wouldn't have it any other way, they need there cut too. Drugs make this world go round
Unfortunately Law is the biggest Mob family out there, not these drug Dealers.
Written by: generoso, 22 Jan 2009 1:56 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
I agree that Quirino himself and his relatives will not stay put in the US no matter how confy they are in their new home. They shall return.
The magnetism that pulls Dominicans back to their island is strong. More so after they experience a few winters and the solitude of not having many friends that speak their language or other Dominicans that they can speak loud with and share an occasional mangu with longaniza.
They will miss their mangoes, novelas, and friends that gave them a steady diet of daily brown nosing. That feeds their soul and nurtures them the same as food.
And best of all, the inhabitants of the little border towns and fincas that they lived in will be eternally grateful and most loyal to "el patrón" in the case that he eventually returns when things "cool down" a bit and maybe a new government is in office.
From: United States
No way is the US going to give away 30 free visas, thats 30 people from el Sur that my taxes are going to be supporting here in the US ... maybe wife & kids only. These reporters better get there facts straight!!!
Written by: Carmen, 22 Jan 2009 2:28 PM
From: United States, New York City
If they are going to give out these free visas why not give me and my financee our K-1 visa and for that matter the money we paid to file for this Visa!
From: United States
Written by: UnderCover, 22 Jan 2009 2:21 PM
From: United States
"maybe wife & kids only"
Got news for you.... La Amante, Los Hijos de la Amanted, Brother and a Sister are already in the USA.... So you do the math....
From: United States
30 people... He must have given the US a president to hang.
From: United States
"30 people... He must have given the US a president to hang."
You might have something there gmiller261, thats the only way the US will get 30 people off the hook on Drug charges or maybe he knows where Osama Bin Laden is hiding.
Written by: Trujillo, 22 Jan 2009 5:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic
This man, Quirino, was never a soldier or in the military. Quirino was just given that post (captain) out of the blue by president Hipolito Mejia.
Written by: Trujillo, 22 Jan 2009 5:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I want to see names too, but you have to remember that the person providing those names is Quirino himself. He could be giving the names of his enemies, not necessarily the names of those that helped him. Right, Hipolito?
From: United States
All he has to do is give any of the corrupt politicians names that can not show how they have 4 SUVs, a house worth a US million and a million in the bank. They may survive if no one in their family owns any thing in the US and has never been there.
RICO baby.
I heard the lady that use to own the shipping company said she inherited her money. But she could not remember from whom. Stupid is stupid does.
From: United States
This is a five year cluster f... It will be worth the read.
I could see hundreds of corrupt politician getting screwed. Enough to bring back judge Judy.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
I came late to this party, so I don't have a lot of the background. Is Quirino walking free? With that face, they'll have a hard time hiding him. Very possible that they may exile him to some distant Pacific island.
I do agree that call of motherland will prove too strong, and that extended family will eventually return to DR. Same might not prove possible for Quirino......made too many powerful and vengeful enemies.
From: United States
yo this is crazy..who woulda thought?
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
And what just what tells the US that extraditing that clan out of their cave and into the US is actually going to keep them safe, that don't guarantee that their not going to get blown away here, what a bunch of non thinkers, what are they going to do guard them 24/7 for the rest of their lives
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Does anybody have any statistics?
I also wonder how good the information was that he provided for such a generous deal, including
the returning of part of his money to him to live like a king in the USA.
Granted he will probably be moved to a little town in a far away state, but that is a lot better than being in solitary confinement in New York.
Hipoloco stated that LF has the list but has not made it public, that raises many questions now.
Are they waiting for the public to forget or things to cool down to give out the names?
Or they never will?
The US should publish the names on the list or leak it otherwise and not leave it to "diplomatic courtesy" for DR government to come clean with it and stop protecting the rich and powerful, or use it as leverage for political black mail.
So unless it is all kept hush hush on the American side, it will eventually become public record. Normally (is there anything normal here), WPP deals are kept secret, and nobody knows about extradition proceedings until they come for you.
So, lo and behold, when the extradition orders are issued, the distinguished gentlemen whose names appear on The List will be long gone.
"when the extradition orders are issued, the distinguished gentlemen whose names appear on The List will be long gone"
And how long does that process take? In days, weeks and months please.
And how long does that process take? In days, weeks and months please.
That's the catch: from US Justice Department to US External Affairs to Dominican Embassy to Dominican External Afairs (Cancilleria) to Dominican Justice Dept. to Supreme Court: who knows??
In "normal" cases and countries, the administrative process is rather quick and confidential, for obvious reasons. It doesn't take a week from the US indictment until the case is before the foreign jurisdiction.
The defendant finds out about the proceedings when the cops show up with an arrest warrant which is mandatory by law: there is no bail in extradition matters.
I remember, once Quirino's case started before the SCJ, he was ordered and shipped out within about a month. But he was already arrested and accused here, and pressure from the DEA was at a max.
In the case of "The List" (not Schindler's), it looks to me as another mediatic splash that will be without consequence.
A word to the wise though, I saw an interview on TV with Quirino's defense lawyer Carlos Balcacer and he stated that he had seen the list but declined to say the names on it. So more than one person knows the names on that list and for some dubious reason are keeping it quiet to protect some "honest politican or big business man" from his "honorable" name being made public.
Same o, same o. It's the same BS as usual, protecting the rich and powerful while the poor are toast.
Just need to upgrade the rooms and you could have a "chivato's" paradise.
I have to shake my head at what we do some time.
If you see one x-prez joining the the "Hair Club for Men" and soon after mysteriously disappears that would be one of my guesses. Maybe a few other big fishies in Col and the US.
This must be huge!
From: United States
You've got to be kidding me! CRIME DOES PAY....I'm in the wrong profession... Is this the messege we are sending our people? Sell drugs, kill our children and later on all you do is rat on the person who help you obtain these drugs and we will protect you and your family....I am so embarrass to be an American right now!
You and I both, but this isn't new the Sammy the Bull was a murderer and he brought down Gotti.
Thre were a lot of mob guys who snitched and walked free..
I can see it on MTV already.
Unfortunately Law is the biggest Mob family out there, not these drug Dealers.
The magnetism that pulls Dominicans back to their island is strong. More so after they experience a few winters and the solitude of not having many friends that speak their language or other Dominicans that they can speak loud with and share an occasional mangu with longaniza.
They will miss their mangoes, novelas, and friends that gave them a steady diet of daily brown nosing. That feeds their soul and nurtures them the same as food.
And best of all, the inhabitants of the little border towns and fincas that they lived in will be eternally grateful and most loyal to "el patrón" in the case that he eventually returns when things "cool down" a bit and maybe a new government is in office.
From: United States
"maybe wife & kids only"
Got news for you.... La Amante, Los Hijos de la Amanted, Brother and a Sister are already in the USA.... So you do the math....
30 people... He must have given the US a president to hang.
You might have something there gmiller261, thats the only way the US will get 30 people off the hook on Drug charges or maybe he knows where Osama Bin Laden is hiding.
All he has to do is give any of the corrupt politicians names that can not show how they have 4 SUVs, a house worth a US million and a million in the bank. They may survive if no one in their family owns any thing in the US and has never been there.
RICO baby.
I heard the lady that use to own the shipping company said she inherited her money. But she could not remember from whom. Stupid is stupid does.
This is a five year cluster f... It will be worth the read.
I could see hundreds of corrupt politician getting screwed. Enough to bring back judge Judy.
I do agree that call of motherland will prove too strong, and that extended family will eventually return to DR. Same might not prove possible for Quirino......made too many powerful and vengeful enemies.