Santo Domingo.- The Environment Ministry is planning a wide-ranging environmental education program with community and local government involvement aimed at managing the Los Haitises National Park.
The authorities recently evacuated hundreds of farmers who were squatting in the protected area, and are in the process of establishing a permanent vigilance system to prevent this from recurring.
The ministry will allocate 28 million pesos towards compensating the evicted squatters, and the education plan is aimed at helping them adopt livelihoods and lifestyles that are compatible with the park’s conservation objectives. One idea is to involve the community in the park management and in eco-tourism activities.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
28 million pesos for the squatters why wernt they fined 28 million pesos for squatting.....this means nobody knows squat about squatting
Written by: generoso, 3 Jan 2009 11:05 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
The minister Jaime David is a compassionate man and instead of forcing poor squatters out with no where to go, into the streets, it's giving them a small chance to make a fresh start elsewhere.
Jaime David as usual is doing a great job and not misusing his power by compensating these folks.
Anyone who has had their lands invaded knows that in order to remove the squatters peacefully and
without unnecessary use of force, some give and take has to be performed by both parties.
Good job, Jaime David!
Written by: josean, 3 Jan 2009 11:05 AM
From: United States
A Failed State: you either get Pardoned or compensated for breaking the law or both!
From: Dominican Republic, Bonao
you are hilarious josean ^o^
Written by: josean, 3 Jan 2009 11:25 AM
From: United States
neon,
You are beginning to see the LIGHT no pun intended!
Written by: LVRod, 3 Jan 2009 3:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic
The Inveroment Ministery has a ideal chief. A person with clear conscience of the impotance of preserve ower natural resources, at the same time the human sensitivity that would permit him apply the appropiated action. Amount those action, I hope they create a sistem that permit people visit the park in a ordened manner with the necesary safety and appropiated road sistem. This way the parks could be selve supported.
Written by: josean, 3 Jan 2009 4:16 PM
From: United States
St. James is a slick politician. He is trying to create the image of a crusader for the environment, but he will compensate the squatters with the non-squatters money.
Under St. James you break the law you get compensated!
After all, he will need the squatters votes in 2012. You see it is a win, win situation for him.
He is another charlatan like Lie-onel!
Under Lie-onel you break the law you get a Pardon and keep what you stole!
Eh, Pa Lante Que Vamos!
Written by: generoso, 3 Jan 2009 6:39 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
josean
Jaime David Fernandez is not to be compared with Leonel please.
It is also a matter of genetics.
Jaime David parents come from a blood line of heroes and patriots that have honored and stood up to the most cruel and worst dictator Trujillo with uncommon valor.
And although he is a politician, he can not be compared to the likes of the other rift raft that inhabit the political ambiance in the DR.
So don't let your partisanship blind you.
PS BTW all politicians are "little charlatans" anyway, they have to be to get ahead. The only ones that are not charlatans are dictators, since they don't have to account to anyone, and they really don't have a sense of humor.
Written by: josean, 3 Jan 2009 7:04 PM
From: United States
If St James truly honored his sisters he would have never associated himself with "Trujillo light" aka Lie-onel.
If he had been bamboozled by Lie-onel, like most Dominicans and PLDers, after the PARDONS he has no choice but to resign so he doesen't continue to dishonor his sisters and family name.
The fact that he associates with Lie-onel who praises Vincho, a Trujillista congressman, also says a lot about St James!
I am not a partisan I am a Dominican first and foremost!
Written by: generoso, 3 Jan 2009 7:13 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
josean
Jaime David has chosen to inspire and elicit change by working with and through the "system".
Not by being a hothead or revolutionary "dreamer" with extremely high and unreachable goals.
Politics is compromise and negotiation. Sometimes you have to partner and deal with obnoxious and objectionable individuals.
True Vincho was a Trujillista and then a Balaguerista, remember he was carrying the banner when they took the 2 senators away from Antonio Guzman in the 1978 elections. And not a very pleasant
opponent so has much as you may dislike him privately, publicly you want him as an ally.
I know politics its a dirty business that is why I stay out of it.
Written by: generoso, 3 Jan 2009 7:19 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
Written by: josean, 3 Jan 2009 7:21 PM
From: United States
working with and through the "system"
And sometimes you got to have the balls to challenge the system like Barrack Challenged the "invincible Clinton machine!"
He better resign pronto before the "system" destroys his saintly halo.
Written by: generoso, 3 Jan 2009 7:42 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
josean
Agree, Barack challenged the Clinton's.... within the system.
He didn't declare guerilla warfare on them, or formed another party, he stayed put, took the punches, swallowed his pride and
worked WITHIN the system....
and won.
Written by: josean, 3 Jan 2009 7:45 PM
From: United States
"He didn't declare guerilla warfare on them,"
Don't let Bill Clinton hear that!
From: United States, New York
The minute those squatters and everyone else in the country sees them getting paid, invading protected areas to later get evicted and compensated will become the business of the year. We need to put human feelings aside and realize that it's a stupid move. They are there illegally period. The environment will be better if they are forced to take on jobs not just have money thrown at them. Sometimes I wish there was a course people could take (including politiicians)on the Dominican mentality, seriously.
Written by: generoso, 4 Jan 2009 1:09 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
DominicanChic
Not everything has so simplistic answers and is so black and white. There are also gray areas.
Many parcels that have been invaded by squatters have not been occupied by their owners or the government for many years. That does not give the squatters the right to occupy those lands but,
they do until somebody claims the lands and evicts them out.
There are professional squatters that move from areas to areas to solicit compensation to leave the occupied lands, to those there should be no mercy or payment bestowed on them, and the
authorities know who they are as they are recurrent in their black mail tactics.
But there are also poor farmers that have no ownership of land and they work and farm the unoccupied land that their rightful owner does not care to visit or farm. I am not saying this is right
but these squatters have invested their sweat, time and money to farm this previously abandoned parcels, and there should be some kind of compensation due to them.
From: Canada
On Monday, I think I'm going to head down to my closest branch of Banco Leon and start squatting. I know it's illegal, but I figure I may get a payout quicker than having to wait for the government to distribute it to me. Sort of like cutting out the middleman.
Written by: josean, 4 Jan 2009 8:52 AM
From: United States
Professor,
"I am not saying this is right
but these squatters have invested their sweat, time and money to farm this previously abandoned parcels, and there should be some kind of compensation due to them."
Sorry Professor but no matter how you spin it (excuse me Spin Dr.) to protect St. James's "PARDONS" that dog wouldn't hunt.
St James should not have supported for example the METRO and have demanded a affordable housing program or land grant program for the legitimate homeless and landless peasants with those $700,000,000 dollars instead. But no he, wants his cake and eat it too!
Written by: generoso, 4 Jan 2009 9:18 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
josean
What it is is what it is.
Shoulda and woulda do not take us anywhere.
With age you learn to mellow out and not be so radical and one sided in your thinking.
Although I respect your point of view and you do have a valid argument.
I wish I could change things and make them right always, but as humans we are continuously
making mistakes and changing courses to reflect that.
I never agreed with the damn metro project
and it was built regardless of the opinions of the majority of forward thinking Dominicans.
But now that it is there we have to accept it and go forward, it is no use thinking the way things
"should have been".
Life is a big wheel that needs the energy of constant movement, don't get stuck in one place and keep moving forward.
I am glad you are back anyway, you were missed even by your worse detractors.
Written by: josean, 4 Jan 2009 9:26 AM
From: United States
"but as humans we are continuously making mistakes "
That's why we can not make the mistake of canonizing Mr. Mirabal, That's all folks!
Written by: generoso, 4 Jan 2009 9:30 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
josean
But you can count on "St. James" trying again for the presidency along with Danilo Medina.
But of course they will have a hard time getting elected because of the natural wear the PLD will have after having been in government in 2012 for 8 years straight and 12 years total.
So if the PRD elects a new and refreshing candidate without a corrupt history and long tail for
others to step in other than Hipoloco or rambling Miguelito Vargas they could have a strong chance to regain power in 2012.
Bless you my child on this Sunday morning I dispense holy water on your head.
Written by: josean, 4 Jan 2009 9:40 AM
From: United States
Guillermo Moreno the Dominican Obama in 2012!
Unlike Mr. Medina or Mr. Mirabal as soon as he realized the scum Lie-onel was he resigned with his dignity and morals intact!
Written by: generoso, 4 Jan 2009 9:53 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
josean
I do hear a lot regarding Guilermo Moreno, maybe he is a long shot, but just like Leonel was a long shot in 1996.
He is a better choice than voting for "more of the same" in the PRD and PLD "cara duras".
I will seriously look into his possibilities, if he gets my backing he will be blessed accordingly.
Guillermo Moreno will rule!
Written by: josean, 4 Jan 2009 10:00 AM
From: United States
How long has been since you last confession:
"He is a better choice than voting for "more of the same" in the PRD and PLD "cara duras".
I will seriously look into his possibilities, if he gets my backing he will be blessed accordingly.
Guillermo Moreno will rule!"
I knew sooner or later you would see the light of the Holy Spirit my son!
Now pray the Rosary for a week for posting pictures of mammaries on the Internet under the guise of "good for your health!"
Written by: generoso, 4 Jan 2009 10:19 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
father josean
Repent sinners and heathenous scums! Repent and see the light!
PS Have you gone to Sunday mass yet?
Written by: josean, 4 Jan 2009 11:11 AM
From: United States
"PS Have you gone to Sunday mass yet?"
No my son, I am watching the mammaries , not all of us are pedophiles.
Written by: generoso, 4 Jan 2009 11:28 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
Bless you father josean,
may the white light be with you!
From: United States, New York
generoso, I disagree. There are not as many gray areas in that matter as some may think. While it is true that many of the land owners have been MIA for years, the squatters have been keeping the proceeds of what they grow and sell on that land, not to mention the free housing they've been receiving since they never paid to purchase or rent the land. They have given their time and sweat but have never had to worry about putting food on the table - that's worth a lot my friend.
Written by: generoso, 5 Jan 2009 1:30 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
DominicanChic
I agree with your reasoning too. We both can be right. Pay them if you must. If it will cost you more hassle not to pay them, then pay them. It's a matter of simple economics. No way I ever suggested
that we should reward illegality.
From: Dominican Republic
So far Jaime David is doing an outstanding work, big changes will shortly happen in the Dominican nation if he keeps up working with such as dedication. Nobody else has ever done this before on behalf of our natural resources, and we as Dominicans should all be glad we have him leading Medio Ambiente.
I always keep wondering what is going to happen if he runs for the presidency, i guess somebody else gets his position and that's when everything can go back to the disaster and bad management under which his institution was.
Anyways his the only Dominican i'm not afraid to vote for
Written by: josean, 6 Jan 2009 4:01 AM
From: United States
St James has no credibility until he resigns in protest for the disgraceful Pardons Lie-onel has issued.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
brilliant resign and return to the status quo ....josean why dont you have them fill in the Metro first it is just about as logical Senor Death Before Dishonour {josean}
Written by: josean, 6 Jan 2009 10:57 AM
From: United States
You wouldn’t know what honor is if it bit you in your old wrinkled Fundillo!
From: Dominican Republic
Hey,,,,, can somebody tell me the true?, I'm believing what this new says, but i'm out of the country and somebody told me that the reality is other concerning to what is happening in the National Park.
People from the local community where the park is at, have said that Jaime David is moving those people out and not giving them anything, in the other hand, the polices is taking the harvests and acusing farmers and whole families of having drugs planted.
I refuse to believe this, even though it has occured before.
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Jaime David as usual is doing a great job and not misusing his power by compensating these folks.
Anyone who has had their lands invaded knows that in order to remove the squatters peacefully and
without unnecessary use of force, some give and take has to be performed by both parties.
Good job, Jaime David!
You are beginning to see the LIGHT no pun intended!
Under St. James you break the law you get compensated!
After all, he will need the squatters votes in 2012. You see it is a win, win situation for him.
He is another charlatan like Lie-onel!
Under Lie-onel you break the law you get a Pardon and keep what you stole!
Eh, Pa Lante Que Vamos!
Jaime David Fernandez is not to be compared with Leonel please.
It is also a matter of genetics.
Jaime David parents come from a blood line of heroes and patriots that have honored and stood up to the most cruel and worst dictator Trujillo with uncommon valor.
And although he is a politician, he can not be compared to the likes of the other rift raft that inhabit the political ambiance in the DR.
So don't let your partisanship blind you.
PS BTW all politicians are "little charlatans" anyway, they have to be to get ahead. The only ones that are not charlatans are dictators, since they don't have to account to anyone, and they really don't have a sense of humor.
If he had been bamboozled by Lie-onel, like most Dominicans and PLDers, after the PARDONS he has no choice but to resign so he doesen't continue to dishonor his sisters and family name.
The fact that he associates with Lie-onel who praises Vincho, a Trujillista congressman, also says a lot about St James!
I am not a partisan I am a Dominican first and foremost!
Jaime David has chosen to inspire and elicit change by working with and through the "system".
Not by being a hothead or revolutionary "dreamer" with extremely high and unreachable goals.
Politics is compromise and negotiation. Sometimes you have to partner and deal with obnoxious and objectionable individuals.
True Vincho was a Trujillista and then a Balaguerista, remember he was carrying the banner when they took the 2 senators away from Antonio Guzman in the 1978 elections. And not a very pleasant
opponent so has much as you may dislike him privately, publicly you want him as an ally.
I know politics its a dirty business that is why I stay out of it.
http://www.hogrockcafe.com/male_therapy.htm
And sometimes you got to have the balls to challenge the system like Barrack Challenged the "invincible Clinton machine!"
He better resign pronto before the "system" destroys his saintly halo.
Agree, Barack challenged the Clinton's.... within the system.
He didn't declare guerilla warfare on them, or formed another party, he stayed put, took the punches, swallowed his pride and
worked WITHIN the system....
and won.
Don't let Bill Clinton hear that!
Not everything has so simplistic answers and is so black and white. There are also gray areas.
Many parcels that have been invaded by squatters have not been occupied by their owners or the government for many years. That does not give the squatters the right to occupy those lands but,
they do until somebody claims the lands and evicts them out.
There are professional squatters that move from areas to areas to solicit compensation to leave the occupied lands, to those there should be no mercy or payment bestowed on them, and the
authorities know who they are as they are recurrent in their black mail tactics.
But there are also poor farmers that have no ownership of land and they work and farm the unoccupied land that their rightful owner does not care to visit or farm. I am not saying this is right
but these squatters have invested their sweat, time and money to farm this previously abandoned parcels, and there should be some kind of compensation due to them.
"I am not saying this is right
but these squatters have invested their sweat, time and money to farm this previously abandoned parcels, and there should be some kind of compensation due to them."
Sorry Professor but no matter how you spin it (excuse me Spin Dr.) to protect St. James's "PARDONS" that dog wouldn't hunt.
St James should not have supported for example the METRO and have demanded a affordable housing program or land grant program for the legitimate homeless and landless peasants with those $700,000,000 dollars instead. But no he, wants his cake and eat it too!
What it is is what it is.
Shoulda and woulda do not take us anywhere.
With age you learn to mellow out and not be so radical and one sided in your thinking.
Although I respect your point of view and you do have a valid argument.
I wish I could change things and make them right always, but as humans we are continuously
making mistakes and changing courses to reflect that.
I never agreed with the damn metro project
and it was built regardless of the opinions of the majority of forward thinking Dominicans.
But now that it is there we have to accept it and go forward, it is no use thinking the way things
"should have been".
Life is a big wheel that needs the energy of constant movement, don't get stuck in one place and keep moving forward.
I am glad you are back anyway, you were missed even by your worse detractors.
That's why we can not make the mistake of canonizing Mr. Mirabal, That's all folks!
But you can count on "St. James" trying again for the presidency along with Danilo Medina.
But of course they will have a hard time getting elected because of the natural wear the PLD will have after having been in government in 2012 for 8 years straight and 12 years total.
So if the PRD elects a new and refreshing candidate without a corrupt history and long tail for
others to step in other than Hipoloco or rambling Miguelito Vargas they could have a strong chance to regain power in 2012.
Bless you my child on this Sunday morning I dispense holy water on your head.
Unlike Mr. Medina or Mr. Mirabal as soon as he realized the scum Lie-onel was he resigned with his dignity and morals intact!
I do hear a lot regarding Guilermo Moreno, maybe he is a long shot, but just like Leonel was a long shot in 1996.
He is a better choice than voting for "more of the same" in the PRD and PLD "cara duras".
I will seriously look into his possibilities, if he gets my backing he will be blessed accordingly.
Guillermo Moreno will rule!
"He is a better choice than voting for "more of the same" in the PRD and PLD "cara duras".
I will seriously look into his possibilities, if he gets my backing he will be blessed accordingly.
Guillermo Moreno will rule!"
I knew sooner or later you would see the light of the Holy Spirit my son!
Now pray the Rosary for a week for posting pictures of mammaries on the Internet under the guise of "good for your health!"
Repent sinners and heathenous scums! Repent and see the light!
PS Have you gone to Sunday mass yet?
No my son, I am watching the mammaries , not all of us are pedophiles.
may the white light be with you!
I agree with your reasoning too. We both can be right. Pay them if you must. If it will cost you more hassle not to pay them, then pay them. It's a matter of simple economics. No way I ever suggested
that we should reward illegality.
I always keep wondering what is going to happen if he runs for the presidency, i guess somebody else gets his position and that's when everything can go back to the disaster and bad management under which his institution was.
Anyways his the only Dominican i'm not afraid to vote for
People from the local community where the park is at, have said that Jaime David is moving those people out and not giving them anything, in the other hand, the polices is taking the harvests and acusing farmers and whole families of having drugs planted.
I refuse to believe this, even though it has occured before.