When is that old cubanito going to bail me out of here?

this story is being picked up on MSNBC and Miami Herald

Let's star the war and get over with this C..P

I don't understand the article, why did they occupy the church?

Pilar,

Please reference,

http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....Jesuit-priest-slams-the-Dominican

Thank you devin, now I do understand, is kind of complicated and delicate the situation there.

They were duped to get them out. Simple as that Mr. Cisneas. Sue us if you want. And get on line.

Thats just dumb to put them in jail

Just open the border let the haitians rule for 22 years. Then we could start all over again, but this time is for keeps a full war for whos staying in the island and who's ending up somewhere? This issue has no solution..... ????? ..... ????? ..... ????? NO COMMENTS.....

LightofTruth
And how do you suggest they rule?
The Haitians can't even hold a machete because their stomach is empty. Never the less govern us.
This failed rag tag voo doo country as a neighbor is the Lord's curse because of all the blessings we have had in our beautiful and prosperous side of the island.
Amen.

I'm getting ready for the next Dominican-Haitian war, everything is in place so just waiting
for the right moment and time......................................Duarte, Sanchez and Mella

"Dios, Patria y libertad"

Generoso in my humble estimation Haiti is a lost case, a country that's becoming a desert with a burgeon population lack of water no real infrastructure no goverment. What can you expect will happen, either we meet them at the border and just start slaughtering them, or we just let them rule us for 22 years so like that we let the haitian appeasers get a taste of haitian governance. Then if those idiots feel good two things will happen an all out war. Or integration, but i think the first will come about sooner before a year ends.

All those hoping for war, I hope your mothers are the first casualties.

It's easy to incite war, when you are safely in the united states some of you illegally, you know who you are,? you are just too big of a coward to do more than get your feet wet, but good enough to cry wolf.

What people seem to forget is simply that this island has limited resources, so whenever you speak against there objective they will say the usual things. These two country's are going in different paths, but yet they still want to make a sandwiche of it. So for the masochist i wish that we will have another haitian occupation. But i know it will prove to be disastrous, that's why i wish in many ways for it. But i dread the prospect of it and it's negative result.

Manhattanite,

Damn, I've never seen you so upset, I could always count on your reasoned and well written responses whether in agreement or not. I'm a little shocked that you just went for the jugular in a single opening sentence. Not that I disagree with you.

I'm ready, willing and able!!!!!

JRRubirosa
Go Rubi go! I will be right behind you with the flame thrower!

devin - discussing politics and opinion is one thing but I really dislike these keyboard general delusions. One side of their mouth talks about how down and out army-less Haiti is while the other imagines what...genocide? cleansing? MURDER? It is a truly revealing example of small dick sentiment that they deign to call such a thought 'war'. Well I know better than to hang around these articles so seeya around devin.

Haiti Ambassador to the D.R. should be ashame of himself as should be governments whose citizens have no alternatives but to seek other nations in order to survive and to feed their families. Dominicans flee to the U.S. mainly cause they are ignorant and don't know the facts about how the U.S. is and once there most live worse than in D.R. but since its in the U.S. that they live is all O'K. The Haitian come to D.R. in search of anything that will put a couple of pesos in their pockets and other reasons but the majority are exploited for some sort of labor that native Dominicans for the most part will not do. Same as in the U.S. same as any where else -- exploit the people who are usually foreign. Foreign investors exploit Dominicans and the Dominican government legally allow it.

Written by: hvargas, 8 Jan 2009 12:53 AM
From: Dominican Republic

"Dominicans flee to the U.S. mainly cause they are ignorant and don't know the facts about how the U.S. is and once there most live worse than in D.R. but since its in the U.S. that they live is all O'K."

I honor your opinion but I respectfully ask that you reconsider that statement from a position of reality and not as a comfort to national pride.

Hvargas,

Frank Cineas has no shame. He has no idea who's side he's on.


As a former altar boy, I get a warm feeling knowing that I'm surrounded by a whole bunch of true Catholics.

Let the crusades begin. Decimate those heathens from this Earth.

Illegal immigration sucks! Hatred sucks worse!! Poverty sucks the worst!!!

never mind.

This event could not have happened at a better time.
Now ,the attention of the Haitian and Dominican people is being diverted
Crime is no longer the issue,the economy is no longer the issue.
YES ! OH YES ! Haitian Dominican relations is the most pressing issue.
"Save the politicians"

We have too much chocolate in the milk already. We don't need more. Enough is enough!!!!

guillermone
Funny.LOL.
It is used to be: Lait avec Cafe, now it is cafe avec une ti lait.

The Bush administration won't grant temporary protected status to Haitians living in the U.S. illegally while their Caribbean homeland struggles to recover from four devastating tropical storms. U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff denied the status in a Dec. 19 letter to Haitian President Rene Preval.

The United States of America deny entry to illegal Haitians!!!! so are We supposed to be the
stupid ones????

Haitians must be deported in large groups, Dominican Republic must defend itself from the
Haitian curse!!!!

For how long the international community think that D.R is going to carry this cross?
i don't know , but soon the situation is going to boil over and heads are going to roll
just like in Gaza.

the good news is
The word is out.

http://www.elnacional.com.do/pagina_dos/

Well blow me down! You expect us to keep all the illegars where the United States, UN and OAS with unlimited financial resources has repeatedly failed? Kiss it/

Well Fritz Cineas , keep them home and give them work or do as they say in creole Bouche nen bwe dlo santi 'hold your nose and drink the smelling water
You will not smell the water when you hold your nose

HUMAN RIGHTS DELEGATION REPORT ON HAITIANS IN THE BAHAMAS
serious problem arising from citizenship policy, as applied, is pervasive social discrimination against Haitians. The scheme in effect creates a two-tier, segregated society in which Haitians face unequal treatment in the workplace, at school, and even on the streets.Two Bahamian clerks at a well-known Freeport hotel laughed when members of the delegation inquired whether or not Haitians worked at the hotel counter with them. “They can’t work here!” they exclaimed. “They work in the laundry.”However, the Bahamian policy of denying citizenship even to Haitians born in the country surpasses the United States in entrenching intense social division and hatred. Further, it establishes what is virtually a caste system, permitting the government to deny equal rights to all those of Haitian descent, generations after their ancestors have arrived in the country.

Mr. Devin 11 best wishes to you. I grew up in the U.S., attended all my educations from primary school to college. I'm a U.S. Army and Navy veteran and still live in the U.S., but unlike most people that travel or who immigrate to the U.S. thinking that once there all of their problems are solve, I don't live that illusion. I'm Dominican and had not become a U.S. citizen cause it was not my decision to immigrate to the U.S. that was my mother choosing. So today I also live in D.R. with my wife and children still working to make my life and their a better. No one is giving us any hand-out nor are we begging instead we working as best we can to build our house and this any healthy men and women can do the same if they really want to. Although my comments may sound a national pride I look at the whole picture and see in upper Manhattan just how Dominicans live. I also work with many Dominicans who are not able to travel like I do. Life is a battle and for some is less.

antonioj,That is unbelievable!! Relatively speaking, we treat Haitians like kings in the DR yet we get so much negative press such as slavery against Haitians.

"Written by: guillermone, 8 Jan 2009 8:50 PM
From: United States
antonioj,That is unbelievable!! Relatively speaking, we treat Haitians like kings in the DR yet we get so much negative press such as slavery against Haitians.
"
Guillermone, I would not go that far, however you should realized that you are not comparing oranges to oranges, indeed with the failing of the Haitian Government to provide for their people and the present population explosion, Haitians have became a burden on their caribbean neighbor. Only population control will get Haiti out of this mess, NOT the ngo's the small land can only feed so much soul. Haiti should aim to keep his population around 6millions

Why is the Bahamians treating their black brothers in need that way, what make a men hate men that way, I specially dislike the comments by the front desk personnel about Haitians. Like Mr Guillermore said, why so much negative press.

Don't you know that the worst enemy of a black is a black himself?

hvargas,

Thank you for you response and best wishes to you as well. Your situation is not typical of the millions of Dominicans that live in extreme hardship and lack even the most basic human needs. About 40% of the countries population lives below the poverty line. The economic realities for these people and standard of living whose social indicators are below that of countries such as Sri Lanka is deplorable. These people are not leaving the country due to "ignorance", they are leaving and risking there lives to do so in order to survive and partake in a hope that is not existent in their current situation. I respectfully disagree with you that once they arrive in the US they live worse than in the DR as they are provided with proper medical care, infrastructure, education and vastly greater economic viability and opportunity. By your suggestion that these people are not leaving DR because the conditions do not merit their actions, you undermine the sad reality of the situation.

Some facts from experiences and so called extreme poverty. In every Dominican family there is at least one family member that is either self-employed, semi-employed and or fully employed. This is taking place in my neighborhood and many of these people hang-out in the corner waiting for one of the group who will provide with the beer and liquor . The majority of the people who leave D.R. are not as poor as you may think. I had not met one young or old working person that has not regretted leaving D.R. and found that contrary to the stories that lure them to immigrate and their new situations being worse. Sure, there are success stories of hard working individuals and I'm one of them. My family are also a success here in D.R. and had said they will never live in the U.S. To live on welfare is no success and to think that you can't make it in your own country is ignorance. My grandfather was poor and made lawyers and judges of his sons, we used to sweep the dirt, our floor.

The humilations , discriminations, abuses that Haitians are experiencing in other countries are mild compared to the humilations , discrimination,abuses that are experiencing everyday in their own country-Haiti.

At least ,they can cry human rights abuses in the other countries and find a pack of human rights activists ready to listen to their doleances and willing to denounce the other countries

What can 't the human rights activists go the Haiti and question the dirty elite and the corrupt politicians who have caused so much pain , so much misery ,and so much desperation in Haiti with their greed,selfisness and prejudices.
Yes ,I say prejudices, Haitians face more open and subtle prejudices in Haiti than in any countries
Ask a poor ,darker Haitian peasant with last names like Filius, Fisius, Dubreyis,Lamise and what have you and he or she will tell his sad story of discrimination

The cause of so much misery in Haiti is not an accident. It is and has been blattant discrimination

hvargas,

You are an obvious gentleman and I appreciate your decency with regards to our dialogue and contention. That is not usually the decorum regarding dissidence in this forum. I have traversed Quisqueya La Bella in the many trips that I have made there in the last 8 years. While I do not profess to being a sociologist, I do insist that the plight of the poor and disanfranchised is very real and not imagined. There are always going to be lazy people of the ilk that you mentioned but that behavior is not inherent in the Dominican people. Your philosophy of work hard and you shall prosper harkens to the notions expressed by people of influence within the American parlance of "pick yourself up by your bootsraps." This example is not often as plausible as it is self determinate. If to whom much is given much is expected, then the opposite must also be true. I am not writing from a sense of provincial esteem, my position is based on hard numbers and confirmative evidence.

Etiennc, you are on point here, I'm a light dark Dominican (LF) and I been in Haiti, my observation was that Haitians treat individuals according to the tone of their skin.

The homework must be done on the Dominican side, We are a 3rd world country but at least trying to have some decency, Haitians on the other side teach their children in Haiti a lot of BS stories like Dominican Republic belongs to them and the island is just one.
Stupidity mixed with vodoo, ignorance and envy "plain and simple", We as a free and sovereign nation must decide our laws constitution and future and Haitians must go back to their own little
pothole and dictate what they please in Haiti but never, ever in Dominican Republic.

Rubi I agree with that part
"Haitians on the other side teach their children in Haiti a lot of BS stories like Dominican Republic belongs to them and the island is just one."
but changes in the Dominican schooling system should address some of the sterotype about Haitians, it's a two way streams.

The politicians , the elites of both sides , the land owners are silent
The regular Dominican is concerned about crime and do not see Haitians as their main concern.
And Rubi and his gang is instigating hate and misunderstanding among Haitians and Dominicans
Someone please tell me what is Rubi's agenda !!!

Haitian Pride
your post has betrayed a person full of hate and rancor.
I am on both side of these issues just the way I am helping Rubi to deal with the demons that are tormenting him,I can also help you out if you so desire.
Why would you attack a bunch of Idiots as you put it.
A bunch of idiots need guidance,compassion and understanding.
As far discrimation is concern I beleive that you are not a good student of haitian history.
If your mulatto elite in Haiti is treating Haitians like subhumans AND HAD CONTRIBUTED FOR YEARS TO THE inSTABILITY of HAITI AND HAD CAUSED SO MUCH PAIN AND MISERY to Haitians,how can you in good conscience attack Dominicans and corvering for the real culprits at home.
Haitians are better treated on Dominican soil that in Haiti.
Haitians slip everday throug the border to seek medical treatments,to deliver their babies,and to seek employment.
You have a failed country because of the greed and the wikedness of your dirty mulatoe elite
cont.

HaytianPride=Rubi

Dominican have every reason to fear that you will do to their country the same mess that you have done in your country.
If Dominican prostitution is flrourishing in Haiti, well , your black brothers display a preference for mulatoes women over Haitians.Do you care about children prostitution in Haiti ?
Do you care about your older Haitian males that are raping your children.
Haitian pride !
As you are cursing the Dominicans, haitians will continue to flock to the Dominican Republic.
Your attacks will only harden the position of sickos like Rubi who can not experience the emotion called compassion.
You keep posting your stupidities you will reinforce the opinion of some Dominicans that Hatians are agressive and can not think rationally.
What it is to be proud of Haiti?
The way that Haiti has been governed for 200 years makes you proud to be Haitian
This is this vain patriotic exercice and this polical immaturiry that make you blame others for your shortcomings
cont

What is being said in this forum by these sickos are a clear signal to Haitians that they must put their house in order.
This forum shows that you are ex[periencing a crisis,A crisis is a danger :Haiti may disappear but a crisis is also the opportunity of all Haitians of good faith to come the help of Haiti.
Spent anger is energy, instead af wasting this energy to attack sickos like Rubi you'd better utilize it to demonstrate,to plan marches,and start a revolution in your country to change things.
After all the stupidities that you are posting is just an exercice in fitulity.
You will never be right ,you will never gain any respect as long that your Haitians brothers and sisters are invading this country illegally, as long they are loitering in parks,jammimg trafic to clean winshields and beg on the streets.
Speaking about prostitution,I will invite you to visit Cabarete,Sosua,and Puerto Plata to witness your Haitians sisters practicing agressively this oldest profession

haitianpride
the premise of these posts is that some dominicans do not want haitians in their country and find all faults with haitians to support their position and advance their agenda
you need to show grace and say to sickos like rubi :ok haitians will not be coming anymore to this country.
as long that you can say that and make it happen ,you just swallow your dumb pride and shut the hell up

Say the magic word etiennc, do you prefer " oki poki or abracadabra" ? that's how you make a fool disappear.
I would love to see these two intellectual geniuses debate, such a feast. May be on pay per view.

Antonioj
Fools go where wise men do not go.
Fools go to the museun of stupity , wise men do not.
fools begin where wise men finish
I hope I have shut these two fools up