Aircraft will be used on border patrol missions and to combat drug trafficking
SAO JOSE DOS CAMPOS, Brazil (PRnewswire.com)- The Aircraft manufacturer Embraer confirms the sale of eight Super Tucano aircraft to the government of the Dominican Republic through a contract that was finalized at the end of last year.
The aircraft will be operated by the nation's Air Force to perform internal security and border patrol missions, within an operations theater focusing on fighting the drug traffic. This is the third export contract for the highly successful aircraft, after sales that were made to the Air Forces of Colombia (FAC) and Chile (FACH).
The choice made by the Dominican Republic Air Force shows how the aircraft's extreme versatility, associated with its good performance for both training and operational missions and with low acquisition, operating and maintenance costs, makes the Super Tucano EMB-314 one of the best multimission airplanes on the market.
To date, 63 units of the Super Tucano have already been delivered to the Brazilian Air Force and 25 to the FAC, and they are successfully used for border surveillance and other operational missions. In all, 144 aircraft have been sold to four Latin American customers.
The FAC received its 25th Super Tucano in August of last year, thus finalizing the deliveries begun to this customer, in December 2006. The contract was the first export of this aircraft, and the agreement included TOSS (Training and Operation Support System), an advanced training and operational support system with ground stations. The FACH agreement for the sale of 12 aircraft was also announced by Embraer in August 2008.
The Super Tucano went into operation with the FAB in December 2003, to be used for pilot training, as well as for operational missions. This capability ranks the Super Tucano as the world's only aircraft in production that is able to handle advanced pilot training and surveillance and counter-insurgency missions, even at night, using night vision goggles and electro-optical and infrared sensors.
Controversial purchase
Dominican lawmakers have yet to pass the law to establish the rules of engagement by the country’s Air Force to use the attack planes to force down aircraft suspected of carrying drugs, after Washington stated it’s opposition to the measure, citing the risks to civil aviation.
From: United States, (on Sabbatical)
Send in the clowns.......No, the toucans, not clows....they're here!
From: United States, (on Sabbatical)
Isn't it rich?
Are we a pair?
Me here at last on the ground,
You in mid-air.
Send in the clowns.
Isn't it bliss?
Don't you approve?
One who keeps tearing around,
One who can't move.
Where are the clowns?
Send in the clowns.
Just when I'd stopped opening doors,
Finally knowing the one that I wanted was yours,
Making my entrance again with my usual flair,
Sure of my lines,
No one is there.
Don't you love farce?
My fault I fear.
I thought that you'd want what I want.
Sorry, my dear.
But where are the clowns?
Quick, send in the clowns.
Don't bother, they're here.
Isn't it rich?
Isn't it queer,
Losing my timing this late
In my career?
And where are the clowns?
There ought to be clowns.
Well, maybe next year.
Written by: Juango, 9 Jan 2009 11:19 AM
From: United States, far S. Florida (formerly Santo Domingo)
A 30% commission was written into the Super Tucano contract. Not a bad payday, if it is true. My question is, Any part of the money paid to Embraer for the plane from the USA? Did the US provide any funds toward the purchase of these planes to "Help fight the Drug War"? If so, Mr. Fannin, you should give Emperor LF a "nice little talking to" before you depart. I would hope no US tax payers money went toward the purchase of these machines. 30% commission is a bit excessive, dont you think?
From: United States, (on Sabbatical)
Aircraft will be used on border patrol missions and to combat drug trafficking:
Reconniasance planes are used for border surveillance; Not, bombers!
The dichotomy here is like using a samurai sword to cut butter: Overkill; Wrong tool.
Written by: generoso, 9 Jan 2009 11:30 AM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Juango
You posted "30% commission is a bit excessive, dont you think?"
If they did have to pay that, it's the bare minimum in a million dollar sale such as this and I am not saying "they" did. Here how it goes, and believe me this is from a good source:
1. 10% to the military buyers. Usual and customary. Historically accepted by all.
2. 10% for the civilian Embraer reps and/or government civilian allies that have to eat too.
3. 10% for the senate and congress reps that of course always have to season or "guisar" in every approval they bestow or it doesn't pass "go" and it is shelved forever.
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
Thats old technology airplane, its better to buy airplane simulator, as these airplanes are goor for sugar cane fields spraying only.
I hear speed is one of the attributes.
Written by: Juango, 9 Jan 2009 11:38 AM
From: United States, far S. Florida (formerly Santo Domingo)
Thanks generoso, for the clarification. That would be totally illegal in many seller's countries (including the USA). Private/Public companies are forbidden to payoff government officials of any rank, in any form. Yes it is commonly done under the table, but to write it in a contract?
Written by: generoso, 9 Jan 2009 11:39 AM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
miloskorac
Not they are good planes and very versatile. They can take off and land in short and unpaved airfields and can be refueled with plain gasoline if needed.
The maintenance and in ground servicing is very short (about 30 minutes) and they have the most advanced electronics.
In other words they are very appropriate for DR patrolling and interception and should last many years in service considering our limited technical resources.
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
Dont you think that Helicopters are more convenient in monitoring drug traffic.
Give me an example what this toy airplane can do with a deep fishing boat from Colombia? Fly over? Shoot in the boat?
http://www.embraer.com/english/content/aeronaves/super_tucano.aspI think that Soko J-21 is cheaper:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soko_J-21_JastrebF-86 Sabre is more convenient.
F-84 Thunderjet is only US$237,247 (F-84G) almost the same price as Helicopter R22
R44 is 340 K, I think
G-4 Super Galeb also cheap
SA 341/SA 342 Gazelle would be ideal.
Airplanes should not land in short and unpaved airfields, this is not a jungle of Amazon, Dominican Republic is 350 by 250 km.
Well other option was not considered at all, and thats floating platofrms with low level sea monitoring.
Digo yo, y barato sale caro.
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
Written by: generoso, 9 Jan 2009 12:05 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
miloskorac
I really have to go but we shall continue later, please. You seem to know your subject matter.
But all the the above companies and manufacturers had a chance to bid, so where were they?
You not only have to have the right product at the right price but you have to show up as well.
And of course have a good rep in the country that knows how to navigate in these complicated and turbulent waters......somebody like me for example,LOL.
Written by: abc200, 9 Jan 2009 12:49 PM
From: United Kingdom
Written by: Jander, 9 Jan 2009 2:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I concurr with Generoso,
They are the right planes, but will end up in the wrong hands.
Parts will falling off them so make sure you are aware of your surroundings.
Written by: Nemo69, 9 Jan 2009 3:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
My dear friend milos,
you are mentioning some jet fighter aircraft, too fast, expensive to run, etc etc:
- Soko J-21 is *OBSOLETE*
- F-86 Sabre also *OBSOLETE*
- F-84-G Thunderjet WAS US$237,247 IN 1950!!! and is *OBSOLETE*
- G-4 Super Galeb is the only one one can still actually buy, but *LIMITED USE FOR COIN ROLE*
Regarding the helicopters:
- FAD already own RobinsonR22 and R44 (only god knows why, but that's my personal opinion)
*USELESS FOR INTERCEPTS, SLOW, UNARMED*
- SA 341/SA 342 Gazelle *OBSOLETE, ONLY SPARES SOLD TO CURRENT CUSTOMERS*
actually the Super Tucano is a pretty good COIN aircraft for it's price, all other planes in that class are basically converted trainers. And if kitted out well (a pair of 20mm gun pods plus a pair of LM-70/19 underwing, and two AIM-9L on the tips), it CAN deal with a lot of situations.
From: United States
These same planes will be used by corrupt military personnels. Instead of fighting drug trafficking, they will join in.
Written by: antonioj, 9 Jan 2009 4:22 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Top gun, show where the priorities are, spending the people money wisely. Submarines are next.
Written by: generoso, 9 Jan 2009 4:42 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Milos
I guess Nemo69 took care of your answer I concur with him.
I was surprised when you mentioned obsolete fighter aircraft from the 1950's.
Personally I would have purchased maybe 4 Tucano's to sit in stand by at all four corners of the island and 8 Cessna Skymasters 337 modified push pulls for 24 hour air patrols and
border surveillance with mini gatlings and rocket launchers. That would have saved a lot of money.
But who cares about money anyway, we are a rich country! LOL.
The Tucano's few drawbacks is that they are gas hogs, but even the US most elite private security force "Blackwater" has purchased some Tucanos as well, so they are accepted and used by top gun professionals for their versatility and reliability.
From: Dominican Republic, Bonao
good news!!!! :DD
now better border security, lest start shooting downs does illegal aircraft's!!
Written by: josean, 9 Jan 2009 6:05 PM
From: United States
Keep spend what you ain't gor Lie-onel!
Source DR1
Short on income, long on spending
Total expenditure by the central government during 2008, excluding financial applications, exceeded the total income for the same period during the previous year by RD$26.488 billion, according to the Ministry of Hacienda.
In a report, the ministry indicated that as of 30 December 2008, central government expenses reached RD$270.78 billion, a figure that exceeded the RD$244.29 billion that was reported as income.
According to El Caribe, the Hacienda Ministry reported that income from taxes, excluding donations and loans as of 30 December 2008 was 0.21% lower than the estimates. It was 4.33% higher that the year before, however.
According to the report on accumulated collections, the Department of Taxes (DGII) produces RD$159.78 billion (65%), Customs brought in RD$57. 59 (24%) and the National Treasury collected RD$26.96 (11%).
Continued:
Written by: josean, 9 Jan 2009 6:09 PM
From: United States
The report also states that the government received RD$4.1 billion from the sale of a liquor company.
PS
More METROS please, education is overrated anyway, right Mr. President!
Written by: devin11, 9 Jan 2009 7:02 PM
From: United States
Written by: neon_genesis, 9 Jan 2009 5:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bonao
good news!!!! :DD
"now better border security, lest start shooting downs does illegal aircraft's!!"
Yes neon and I see no reason why with your intellect and obvious talent, you should not be allowed to pilot one of these fighter jets. As long as a warning be made to all Dominicans first, to look out below!!!
Written by: devin11, 9 Jan 2009 7:13 PM
From: United States
Josean,
You don't have a stronger supporter for the value and importance of education than I. Then again with the obvious advances in the current educational component as proven by neon_genesis, perhaps we have overvalued that importance. Every Dominican can sleep well at night in the fact that educational funding is overated and the current educational sysem works fine, so long as that system can continue to provide brilliant luminaries like neon-genesis.
From: United States, San Diego, California
"the Super Tucano EMB-314 one of the best multimission airplanes on the market." that is not true. those airplanes were used during World War II. The best airplanes are F-16, F-18, and the new F-35 Lightning II. Even the Soviet garbage called mig-29 is better than those Tucano.
Written by: antonioj, 9 Jan 2009 9:35 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Written by: antonioj, 9 Jan 2009 9:39 PM
From: Canada, home safe
No doubt the education system in DR need no infusion of cash, they have created some great mind like Arkatype, Neon-Genesis, and FrankC aka carlos franco
Written by: Trujillo, 9 Jan 2009 10:44 PM
From: Dominican Republic
They should use a fleet of blimps with night vision/thermal vision cameras to patrol the Dominican-Haitian border. Blimps could also be used by the police to patrol our cities and report traffic jams or some other sort of problem easily seen from the air. Btw, I'm in favor of the purchase of the planes to defend our airspace and border. I just think that blimps could help too.
From: United States, (on Sabbatical)
Written by: Trujillo, 9 Jan 2009 10:44 PM
From: Dominican Republic
They should use a fleet of blimps with night vision/thermal vision cameras to patrol the Dominican-Haitian border. Blimps could also be used by the police to patrol our cities and report traffic jams or some other sort of problem easily seen from the air. Btw, I'm in favor of the purchase of the planes to defend our airspace and border. I just think that blimps could help too.
Mi hermano, botaste la pelota!
I could see it now: Michelin, Michelin, Bajando, Bajando! Los Begigasos bajando!
Written by: Nemo69, 9 Jan 2009 11:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
ZonaDominicana wrote:
"the Super Tucano EMB-314 one of the best multimission airplanes on the market." that is not true. those airplanes were used during World War II. The best airplanes are F-16, F-18, and the new F-35 Lightning II. Even the Soviet garbage called mig-29 is better than those Tucano.
ooo
You´ve enlightened us, generoso and myself will hang our heads down in shame... I´m sure you´ve flown all of them on your X-box, with full AC-pilot license and all.
Written by: generoso, 9 Jan 2009 11:40 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Nemo69
You are quoting the wrong poster Nemo. Zona Dominicana said that, when I read it I laughed.
You owe me an apology partner. And one more thing I am no pilot, but I can sure shoot in the ground.
Tell you what you can do just for fun. If you can really pilot an airplane, get trained in a Tucano, I am sure it will be easier to fly than a P-51 Mustang. Then take to the air and come diving at me. I will have a Barrett M-107 .50 caliber Sniper rifle with a 10-40X scope.
You know what, you will be one dead duck, mister.
From: United States, Killeen, TX - Home of the 1st Cavalry
Nemo69;
While your very negative statement regarding the Super Tucano EMB-314, relative to it's multimission capability may be correct, I would remind you that the Turbo-Prop wasn't developed and placed into production until the late 1950's-early 1960's.
Your reference to the aircraft being of WWII vintage is off by at least 10-15 years. if I recall correctly, the aircraft (and the technology involved) wasn't developed until the 1980's.
Best get your aviation history in order before you show your ignorance in the future.
In addition, while the aircraft you DID refer to as being superior, their procurement, maintenance, and deployment are far beyond the cfinancial and technical apability of a country like the DR to employ.
Without wishing to be condescending, I really get a big kick out of some of the "EXPERT OPINIONS" being expressed about the capabilities of these, and other aircraft on these pages.
TexaaBill
Written by: Nemo69, 10 Jan 2009 1:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Guys, guys, read my post again... I was quoting the entire post from ZonaDominicana and being sarcastic!!! My comments are below the oooo...
I agree with both of you regarding the aircraft mentioned.
ps. generoso a Barrett won´t do much good against a Tucano with miniguns and mlr´s, but that´s another subject...
Written by: Nemo69, 10 Jan 2009 1:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
TexasBill, out of curiosity: what would have been your pick? I can´t think of anything that matches the SuperTucano in that class apart from the Korean KO-1 (which is not in production yet).
From: United States, San Diego, California
I'm not trying to diminish the Super Tucano, I'm trying to demonstrate that the Dominican government always trying to sell false information by saying the the country is in good shape and it is modernizing at the same rate as industrialized nations. Which is not true. It seems that some of you did not understand the real meaning of my post, so I have now to explain using very simple words for those that did not understand.
Written by: generoso, 11 Jan 2009 2:56 AM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
TexasBill
I have heard that you are an aviation expert, but in this case your information might be a little obsolete, and I will quote in the near future when I get back home shortly some real experts that are
maybe a little bit more current than other self imposed aviation gurus. So don't go away. Stay tuned.
Written by: generoso, 11 Jan 2009 3:07 AM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Nemo69
I agree that on paper you in the Tucano would have the weapons and altitude advantage, that is if and that's a big if.....if you can see me, which you won't be able to until you will hear the wissss of the .50 caliber before it explodes in your brain.
You see from a pure journalistic point of view I will ask you one question:
Do you hear the sound of the aircraft machine gun fire when the attacking airplane is diving at you or after it passes?
Written by: abc200, 11 Jan 2009 11:11 AM
From: United Kingdom
Actually it is ace pilots that make the difference. Now with complex simulators training is easier than it was. In the Korean war ace Russian pilots had the most success with simpler equipment.
http://www.acepilots.com/russian/rus_aces.htmlI watched a re-enactment of the Battle of Britain for the film of that name and I had a similar impression. So I hope the pilots have much training and practice.
Perhaps Russian training schools can help.
I guess it would have been cheaper to have bought some the Russian planes the Cubans have mothballed.
S.
From: United States, Killeen, TX - Home of the 1st Cavalry
Generoso;
Don't know who YOUR "aviation experts may be, but the Pratt & Whitney Turbo-Prop engine wasn't used in military or commercial aircraft until the timeframe mentioned in my other post.
The first aircraft that I recall using this generation of aircraft engines was a conversion of a popular Crop Duster. The Military did have a couple of testbeds using other truboprop configurations, but that's all they were--Tedstbeds. nothing went into extensive military or commercial production until the late 50's, early 60's.
Amoung other aircraftengines adapted to turboprop configuration were those of Allison(GE), Garrett and Astizu (French). I'm not aware of anything else that comes to mind at this time.
I'll be staying tuned at your request to further my aviation education.
I don't consider myself to be a "self-imposed" aviation expert. Only started flying when I was 14 and have been in and out of the fringes of aviation ever since.
TexasBill
Written by: generoso, 11 Jan 2009 10:07 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
TexasBill
You started flying at 14 so how old does that make you now?
With all due respect to your wisdom I rather like the Tucano's , cause they are tough require little maintenance and even the folks at "Blackwater" worldwide security have bought them(remember the Iraq scandals) and they can buy any airplane in the world they want because they have the money.
I haven't arrived yet to my databank but give me some time.
BTW how are you recovering from surgery? I know how hard it is after bypass surgery if that is what you had, also the drugs that they give you take a while to disappear from your bloodstream and change your moods and do something to your emotions.
Acupuncture helps the pain in your chest cavity and recovery. Be well.
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Are we a pair?
Me here at last on the ground,
You in mid-air.
Send in the clowns.
Isn't it bliss?
Don't you approve?
One who keeps tearing around,
One who can't move.
Where are the clowns?
Send in the clowns.
Just when I'd stopped opening doors,
Finally knowing the one that I wanted was yours,
Making my entrance again with my usual flair,
Sure of my lines,
No one is there.
Don't you love farce?
My fault I fear.
I thought that you'd want what I want.
Sorry, my dear.
But where are the clowns?
Quick, send in the clowns.
Don't bother, they're here.
Isn't it rich?
Isn't it queer,
Losing my timing this late
In my career?
And where are the clowns?
There ought to be clowns.
Well, maybe next year.
Reconniasance planes are used for border surveillance; Not, bombers!
The dichotomy here is like using a samurai sword to cut butter: Overkill; Wrong tool.
You posted "30% commission is a bit excessive, dont you think?"
If they did have to pay that, it's the bare minimum in a million dollar sale such as this and I am not saying "they" did. Here how it goes, and believe me this is from a good source:
1. 10% to the military buyers. Usual and customary. Historically accepted by all.
2. 10% for the civilian Embraer reps and/or government civilian allies that have to eat too.
3. 10% for the senate and congress reps that of course always have to season or "guisar" in every approval they bestow or it doesn't pass "go" and it is shelved forever.
I hear speed is one of the attributes.
Not they are good planes and very versatile. They can take off and land in short and unpaved airfields and can be refueled with plain gasoline if needed.
The maintenance and in ground servicing is very short (about 30 minutes) and they have the most advanced electronics.
In other words they are very appropriate for DR patrolling and interception and should last many years in service considering our limited technical resources.
Give me an example what this toy airplane can do with a deep fishing boat from Colombia? Fly over? Shoot in the boat? http://www.embraer.com/english/content/aeronaves/super_tucano.asp
I think that Soko J-21 is cheaper:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soko_J-21_Jastreb
F-86 Sabre is more convenient.
F-84 Thunderjet is only US$237,247 (F-84G) almost the same price as Helicopter R22
R44 is 340 K, I think
G-4 Super Galeb also cheap
SA 341/SA 342 Gazelle would be ideal.
Airplanes should not land in short and unpaved airfields, this is not a jungle of Amazon, Dominican Republic is 350 by 250 km.
Well other option was not considered at all, and thats floating platofrms with low level sea monitoring.
Digo yo, y barato sale caro.
(tops vary), and Cumulonimbus 2,000–16,000 m...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumulus_cloud
I really have to go but we shall continue later, please. You seem to know your subject matter.
But all the the above companies and manufacturers had a chance to bid, so where were they?
You not only have to have the right product at the right price but you have to show up as well.
And of course have a good rep in the country that knows how to navigate in these complicated and turbulent waters......somebody like me for example,LOL.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7752813.stm
S.
They are the right planes, but will end up in the wrong hands.
Parts will falling off them so make sure you are aware of your surroundings.
you are mentioning some jet fighter aircraft, too fast, expensive to run, etc etc:
- Soko J-21 is *OBSOLETE*
- F-86 Sabre also *OBSOLETE*
- F-84-G Thunderjet WAS US$237,247 IN 1950!!! and is *OBSOLETE*
- G-4 Super Galeb is the only one one can still actually buy, but *LIMITED USE FOR COIN ROLE*
Regarding the helicopters:
- FAD already own RobinsonR22 and R44 (only god knows why, but that's my personal opinion)
*USELESS FOR INTERCEPTS, SLOW, UNARMED*
- SA 341/SA 342 Gazelle *OBSOLETE, ONLY SPARES SOLD TO CURRENT CUSTOMERS*
actually the Super Tucano is a pretty good COIN aircraft for it's price, all other planes in that class are basically converted trainers. And if kitted out well (a pair of 20mm gun pods plus a pair of LM-70/19 underwing, and two AIM-9L on the tips), it CAN deal with a lot of situations.
I guess Nemo69 took care of your answer I concur with him.
I was surprised when you mentioned obsolete fighter aircraft from the 1950's.
Personally I would have purchased maybe 4 Tucano's to sit in stand by at all four corners of the island and 8 Cessna Skymasters 337 modified push pulls for 24 hour air patrols and
border surveillance with mini gatlings and rocket launchers. That would have saved a lot of money.
But who cares about money anyway, we are a rich country! LOL.
The Tucano's few drawbacks is that they are gas hogs, but even the US most elite private security force "Blackwater" has purchased some Tucanos as well, so they are accepted and used by top gun professionals for their versatility and reliability.
now better border security, lest start shooting downs does illegal aircraft's!!
Source DR1
Short on income, long on spending
Total expenditure by the central government during 2008, excluding financial applications, exceeded the total income for the same period during the previous year by RD$26.488 billion, according to the Ministry of Hacienda.
In a report, the ministry indicated that as of 30 December 2008, central government expenses reached RD$270.78 billion, a figure that exceeded the RD$244.29 billion that was reported as income.
According to El Caribe, the Hacienda Ministry reported that income from taxes, excluding donations and loans as of 30 December 2008 was 0.21% lower than the estimates. It was 4.33% higher that the year before, however.
According to the report on accumulated collections, the Department of Taxes (DGII) produces RD$159.78 billion (65%), Customs brought in RD$57. 59 (24%) and the National Treasury collected RD$26.96 (11%).
Continued:
PS
More METROS please, education is overrated anyway, right Mr. President!
Written by: neon_genesis, 9 Jan 2009 5:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bonao
good news!!!! :DD
"now better border security, lest start shooting downs does illegal aircraft's!!"
Yes neon and I see no reason why with your intellect and obvious talent, you should not be allowed to pilot one of these fighter jets. As long as a warning be made to all Dominicans first, to look out below!!!
You don't have a stronger supporter for the value and importance of education than I. Then again with the obvious advances in the current educational component as proven by neon_genesis, perhaps we have overvalued that importance. Every Dominican can sleep well at night in the fact that educational funding is overated and the current educational sysem works fine, so long as that system can continue to provide brilliant luminaries like neon-genesis.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/....tYtnahZvRnTpfF2GmGmocd3gD95JTLDO0
From: Dominican Republic
They should use a fleet of blimps with night vision/thermal vision cameras to patrol the Dominican-Haitian border. Blimps could also be used by the police to patrol our cities and report traffic jams or some other sort of problem easily seen from the air. Btw, I'm in favor of the purchase of the planes to defend our airspace and border. I just think that blimps could help too.
Mi hermano, botaste la pelota!
I could see it now: Michelin, Michelin, Bajando, Bajando! Los Begigasos bajando!
"the Super Tucano EMB-314 one of the best multimission airplanes on the market." that is not true. those airplanes were used during World War II. The best airplanes are F-16, F-18, and the new F-35 Lightning II. Even the Soviet garbage called mig-29 is better than those Tucano.
ooo
You´ve enlightened us, generoso and myself will hang our heads down in shame... I´m sure you´ve flown all of them on your X-box, with full AC-pilot license and all.
You are quoting the wrong poster Nemo. Zona Dominicana said that, when I read it I laughed.
You owe me an apology partner. And one more thing I am no pilot, but I can sure shoot in the ground.
Tell you what you can do just for fun. If you can really pilot an airplane, get trained in a Tucano, I am sure it will be easier to fly than a P-51 Mustang. Then take to the air and come diving at me. I will have a Barrett M-107 .50 caliber Sniper rifle with a 10-40X scope.
You know what, you will be one dead duck, mister.
While your very negative statement regarding the Super Tucano EMB-314, relative to it's multimission capability may be correct, I would remind you that the Turbo-Prop wasn't developed and placed into production until the late 1950's-early 1960's.
Your reference to the aircraft being of WWII vintage is off by at least 10-15 years. if I recall correctly, the aircraft (and the technology involved) wasn't developed until the 1980's.
Best get your aviation history in order before you show your ignorance in the future.
In addition, while the aircraft you DID refer to as being superior, their procurement, maintenance, and deployment are far beyond the cfinancial and technical apability of a country like the DR to employ.
Without wishing to be condescending, I really get a big kick out of some of the "EXPERT OPINIONS" being expressed about the capabilities of these, and other aircraft on these pages.
TexaaBill
I agree with both of you regarding the aircraft mentioned.
ps. generoso a Barrett won´t do much good against a Tucano with miniguns and mlr´s, but that´s another subject...
I have heard that you are an aviation expert, but in this case your information might be a little obsolete, and I will quote in the near future when I get back home shortly some real experts that are
maybe a little bit more current than other self imposed aviation gurus. So don't go away. Stay tuned.
I agree that on paper you in the Tucano would have the weapons and altitude advantage, that is if and that's a big if.....if you can see me, which you won't be able to until you will hear the wissss of the .50 caliber before it explodes in your brain.
You see from a pure journalistic point of view I will ask you one question:
Do you hear the sound of the aircraft machine gun fire when the attacking airplane is diving at you or after it passes?
http://www.acepilots.com/russian/rus_aces.html
I watched a re-enactment of the Battle of Britain for the film of that name and I had a similar impression. So I hope the pilots have much training and practice.
Perhaps Russian training schools can help.
I guess it would have been cheaper to have bought some the Russian planes the Cubans have mothballed.
S.
Don't know who YOUR "aviation experts may be, but the Pratt & Whitney Turbo-Prop engine wasn't used in military or commercial aircraft until the timeframe mentioned in my other post.
The first aircraft that I recall using this generation of aircraft engines was a conversion of a popular Crop Duster. The Military did have a couple of testbeds using other truboprop configurations, but that's all they were--Tedstbeds. nothing went into extensive military or commercial production until the late 50's, early 60's.
Amoung other aircraftengines adapted to turboprop configuration were those of Allison(GE), Garrett and Astizu (French). I'm not aware of anything else that comes to mind at this time.
I'll be staying tuned at your request to further my aviation education.
I don't consider myself to be a "self-imposed" aviation expert. Only started flying when I was 14 and have been in and out of the fringes of aviation ever since.
TexasBill
You started flying at 14 so how old does that make you now?
With all due respect to your wisdom I rather like the Tucano's , cause they are tough require little maintenance and even the folks at "Blackwater" worldwide security have bought them(remember the Iraq scandals) and they can buy any airplane in the world they want because they have the money.
I haven't arrived yet to my databank but give me some time.
BTW how are you recovering from surgery? I know how hard it is after bypass surgery if that is what you had, also the drugs that they give you take a while to disappear from your bloodstream and change your moods and do something to your emotions.
Acupuncture helps the pain in your chest cavity and recovery. Be well.