desert people and their proxy stirring up trouble ....release the hounds

Good stuff. Keep the pressure on!

to Israelis this is hardly pressure....they will just open a used shoe store

So at least two of the huge crowd of 15 troublemakers we know of were not ordinary Dominicans but foreigner troublemakers.

Question about the photo. Was it that cold in SD for the need of a winter hat?

that is not a winter hat it is tribal headgear

gouletcolonial,
(open a used shoe store) That's a low blow to the Israelis/Jews

A Jewish husband and wife were having dinner at a very fine restaurant when this absolutely stunning young woman comes over to their table, gives the husband a big open mouthed kiss, then says she'll see him later and walks away.
The wife glares at her husband and says, "Who was that?" "Oh," replies the husband, "she's my mistress."
"Well, that's the last straw," says the wife. "I've had enough, I want a divorce!"
"I can understand that, "replies her husband, "but remember, if we get a divorce it will mean no more shopping trips to Paris, no more wintering in Barbados, no more summers in Tuscany, no more Jaguar in the garage and no more yacht club But the decision is yours." Just then, a mutual friend enters the restaurant with a gorgeous babe on his arm. "Who's that woman with Moishe? " asks the wife.
"That's his mistress," says her husband.
"Ours is prettier," she replies

A lawyer and an elderly Jewish man are sitting next to each other on a long flight. The lawyer is thinking that Jews are so dumb that he could get over on them easy...so the lawyer asks if the Jew would like to play a fun game.
The old Jewish man is tired and just wants to take a nap, so he politely declines and tries to catch a few winks. The lawyer persists, and says that the game is a lot of fun. I ask you a question, and if you don't know the answer, you pay me only $5; you ask me one, and if I don't know the answer, I will pay you $500, he says. This catches the Jew's attention and to keep the lawyer quiet, he agrees to play the game.The lawyer asks the first question. 'What's the distance from The Earth to the Moon?' The elderly Jew doesn't say a word, reaches in his pocket pulls out a five-dollar bill, and hands it to the lawyer.
Now, it's the Jew's turn. He asks the lawyer, 'What goes up a hill with three legs, and comes down with four?' The lawyer uses his laptop and searc

how wrong you are lost one on the contrary they would take it as a compliment .....speaking of low blows I was going to ask about your sister but thought better of it ...these desert people throwing shoes so declasse

searches all references he could find on the Net. He sends e-mails to all the smart friends he knows, all to no avail. After one hour of searching he finally gives up. He wakes up the Jewish man and hands him $500. The old Jew pockets the $500 and goes right back to sleep.

The lawyer is going nuts not knowing the answer.. He wakes the elderly Jew up and asks, 'Well, so what goes up a hill with three legs and comes down with four?'

The Jew shrugs, reaches in his pocket, hands the lawyer $5 and goes back to sleep.

Don't mess with Jews

OldSchool,

"The Jew shrugs, reaches in his pocket, hands the lawyer $5 and goes back to sleep.

Don't mess with Jews"


Should the Jewish people take that as a compliment or an insult? lol

It's certainly a compliment, considering that elderly jewish man outwitted the greedy lawyer on his own game and got US$495 for all his trouble.

hey ! i want to know about his sister....... maybe not on second thought.....lol

WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE DOMINICAN ARMY IN A WAR WITH THE JEWISH ARMY, BOY WOULD I LOVE TO SEE THAT.......
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THE DOMINICAN ARMY WOULD HAVE TO GO HIDE IN THE CAVES IN THE MOUNTAINS... JUST LIKE THEY DID 500 YEARS AGO......whats wrong you dont like JOKES.....
have many dominican jokes i can tell also.... GO BACK TO SCHOOL BIG JOKE IN THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC.SCHOOL THAT IS WHO NEEDS SCHOOL WHEN THEY CAN STEAL EVERY THING?

Many times you can judge someone by his enemies.........

After "Noel" , Israelis was one of the view countries who helped us out, without asking for anything in return. What do you think we would do if the Haitians would fire missiles and mortars
at our Country for more than 5 years !? Arabs are the biggest whiners on earth, terrorizing the whole world, but when they get something in return than they are running to mami. The do not fight the israelis or the US, they fight western democracy and freedom. Israel is doing the dirty work for all of us ! We should bring Flowers and Candy to the Embassy and say thank you.

If you want to play the throw the shoe game here it is:

http://www.aksalser.com/game.htm

Press and move the cursor when you want to throw the shoe.

No justice. no peace in the region.

Whats with the hate against jews... what did these people do to us ???

Israel will stop it's incursion of Gaza when Hamas stops launching rockets into israel!

Right on leonardo

Israel has the right to defend itself. Hamas is a terrorist group. Many of those protesters must read some history before trying to get into situation they do not know. Breaking diplomacy with one country is not a solution, diplomacy was established in order to build relationship and peace between two nations. The best solution is that United Nation send peace troop to Gaza, the same way they are doing in Haiti. In the mean time, if Hamas keeps firing rockets into Israel, do not believe that Israel is going to send them flowers.

Here here... I'm glad that people have mobilized to protest the human atrocities being committed by BOTH Hamas and the Israelis. I'm just amazed at how STUPID both Hamas and the Israelis have been. Almost as brainless as India and Pakistan being manipulated by the extremists.

Does Israel want the world to turn its back on Hamas, let in International Peace Keepers. Does Hamas want to get the sympathies of the world, how about some peaceful civil disobedience. But no! lets play the same games, so that you can get the same results!

BUt good for these protesters! Human RIghts violation anywhere in the world is a threat to liberty everywhere.

Narciso Conde the most dangerous communist guerrilla sympathizer in the western hemisphere, acting on instruction from his boss (Hugo Chavez)could only assemble 15 gato, to throw shoes, what an ass.

I can picture it now.

The Israeli foreign Ministry.

"Mr. Minister, They are protesting and throwing shoes at our Embassy in the Dominican Republic"

The Foreign looks up and says; "We have an embassy where?"

Most of the Arab nation except a few and of course Hugo Chavez, will love for Israel to get rid of Hamas. GO ISRAEL defend yourself your cause is just. HAMAS stop provoking, that why your support from Arab nations is none.

This must be some new ways of creating political excuses and presentations of a news on the world. These protest are not of consequences to the Israeli Embassy in D.R., as far as D.R. government is concerned. The relation of presenting an associate of a revolutionary group discredit the protest when that associate is link to terrorist. Any group that raises arms is no longer considered revolutionary but rather " TERRORIST ". Arm forces are not considered terrorist no matter how many civilians they killed. Whoever has the powers makes the rule of laws and wars. Hamas won an election and thus gain the rights to lead its people in Gaza. Israel place a blockade so as to the people of Gaza regret electing Hamas. Some make erroneous comparison of Haiti and D.R. These two countries already have a border. The Israeli with the help of the power nations stole the land from the Palestinian who must keep fighting to liberate themselves from the Israeli. Who are the real TERRORIST?

In Gaza , there are only two genuine parties : Palestine and Israel. Hamas is an outsider armed by Iranian, using gunpoint to terrorize Palestine people and seize power as the Taliban did. There is no peace in the middle east as long as Hamas keep waging a jihad war against the innocent civilian population in Israel.The root cause of the conflict is Hamas and they should get the hell out Gaza Know.

I totally agreed, it appears to me that most of the Arab nations cares very little for the Hamas, the Israelis should use bigger bombs, and finish the Hamas problem quickly, before they are forced to end their campaign. The UN is still an anti-American, anti-Israeli organization which should be radically reformed or be dissolved.

How to Make Humus

http://www.sfu.ca/cookbook/humus.htm

This the recipe forum correct.

Not even worth commenting abiut this anymore as both sides have ignored the attempts at truce and a ceasfire. They were born to fight each other let me be and like someone said worry about your problems....

more typos spelling and grammer errors then usual. due to bad learnin and a long happy hour.

Israel wants to live in peace and has the right and responsibility to defend its citizens against aggression from hostile forces launching rockets every day. Any other responsible government would do the same.

A female CNN journalist heard about a very old Jewish man who had been going to the Western Wall to pray, twice a day, every day, for a long, long time.

So she went to check it out. She went to the Western Wall and there he was, walking slowly up to the holy site.

She watched him pray and after about 45 minutes, when he turned to leave, using a cane and moving very slowly, she approached him for an interview.

“Pardon me, sir, I'm Rebecca Smith from CNN. What's your name?”

“Morris Fishbienstein,” he replied.

“Sir, how long have you been coming to the Western Wall and praying?”

“For about 60 years.”

“60 years! That's amazing! What do you pray for?”

“I pray for peace between the Christians, Jews and the Muslims.”

“I pray for all the wars and all the hatred to stop.”

“I pray for all our children to grow up safely as responsible adults, and to love their fellow man.”

“How do you feel after doing this for 60 years?”

“Like I'm talking to a fuc.ing wall.

I wonder how those "Dominicans" would feel if Haiti was constantly lobbing rockets over the border killing Dominicans?

anthonyC
Haitian rockets over the border killing Dominicans?
What have you been smoking today?
Maybe they can shoot a big black powder cannon like the ones they have rotting in the Citadelle with a Haitian human cannonball inside wielding a machete. LOL.

Walnut.....good point. Where is the outrage and protests regarding rampant poverty throughout the RD? There are far too many issues deserving of the attention of Dominicans.....I don't get this one.

Four Religious Truths

During these serious times, people of all faiths should remember these four
religious truths:

1. Muslims do not recognize Jews as God's chosen people.

2. Jews do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah.

3. Protestants do not recognize the Pope as the leader of the Christian world.

4. Baptists do not recognize each other at Hooters.

{ From todays LA Times } Israel must continue to try to stop the Hamas rockets that endanger more than a million Israeli civilians. It also must continue to do everything in its power to avoid Palestinian civilian casualties, not only because that is the right thing to do but because every Palestinian death plays into the hands of Hamas' leaders.
A bad day for Hamas is a day in which its rockets fail to kill or injure any Israeli civilians and Israel kills no Palestinian civilians. That is what Israel and the world must strive for. Hamas knows that the moment it ends its policy of firing rockets at Israeli civilians from behind the shield of Palestinian civilians, Israel will end its military activities in Gaza That is precisely the result Hamas does not want to achieve.

LostForever
Get lost voo doo man, we don't want you here.
Go and do your own "Haitian Today" to make fun of us.
I am calling the pest control people so they will fumigate you.

generoso that's what i call a DOUBLE_WAMMY


The Palestinian Israeli conflict is like a million years old, the world is divided and rightfully so there are strong arguments for both sides.

this war is a religious war and the people in the background are religious fundamentalist bent in one another destruction.

If you look historically at the 3 religions from the middle east they're all evil and their Ideology twisted, just look at how many lives has been lost and how many wars has been Fought in the name of these 3 beliefs.

In my opinion pornography is the real religion of peace.

and one more thing in you fool enough to pick sides on this fight you should be air dropped
into Gaza armed with a couple of voodoo rockets so you could be included on the casualties list
.

Let's face reality. The Jews don't recognize Jesus as a prophet. The Muslims recognize Jesus as a prophet, but according to Islam Mohamed is the last prophet; therefore, Christians are much closer to Muslims in term of respect for our prophet Jesus. The Christians claim that the Jews killed their prophet Jesus. If that's the case, why they are trying to make us believe that the Muslims are our enemy?

Why has Israel brought us into a mess that has not been able to resolve for thousands of years? Bush promotes wars and hatred aroud the world. Bush didn't make an effort to bring peace to the region, on the contrary, Bush exacerbate the situation.

You are afraid of the truth. The truth hurts.

long live freedom of speech!

Lostforever is banned again, I guess this time it will be lost for ever, finally someone at DT decided to do their job to keep the forum civilize.

Lostforever your opnion is not balance at all, the people of Israel have the right to defend themselves, however I disagree with the amount of force used by the Israeli army.Fro your info Israel is the only true demoracy in the region.

tonyj were you down at the embassy throwing your galoshes

What most are saying is that if a gang of criminals enter your house, with the authorizations of some Godfather , such a gang has the right to take you and your family to some remote place and leave all of you there. As times goes on the group gets so large that refugee camps are constructed, families are separated and those who are not willing to fight for their homes accept whatever is giving to them. Then comes along a group lead by some individuals that take up arms against the gangs who are better armed with a lot more experiences and that are backed by other gangs. They label those who fight for their homes terrorist and the gangs with the right to defend and protect itself and its interest. They even called them HEROS and people in other parts of the world agree with the behaviors of the gangs even when they kill hundreds of children, women, men and so on. The fault is on those individuals and groups that refuses to kneel to the gangs and accept their conditions.

The Jews are upset with Bush and Condoleezza Rice. The Jews call them traitors for not voting with Israel against the UN resolution that condemns Israel's aggression on the Palestinian.

proof & link: Read the New York Daily News editorial below: "The U.S. Betrays Israel"

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinio....1-09_the_us_betrays_israel-3.html

To all,
What if Santo Domingo was fired upon, lets say 10 Rockets a year instead of 2,999.00 plus in the last 7 plus years ....At what point would the DR send troops to defend the Country, would it be Rocket # 1, #2 or #3.........Just goes to show how Hamas would jeopardize the lives of Children in the name of ? and for what ? then play Victim, woman and the Elderly in the name of a cause..then claim to be VICTIMS. in my home town of Palmdale, California there was a Protest Friday [ Antelope Valley Press .com ] only dozens showed up [ mostly Woman & Kids ] with Big Mouths. At least they had the Galls to be Fair, Not in Gaza......After talking to a Middle East person Friday morning, he informed me that one knows better to speak against Hamas in Gaza...One could lose their head very easy, how sad indeed.

I don't understand what the disconect is where people do not understand that the criticism towards Israel is not in their right to self defense but the "DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUT OF FORCE THAT ISRAEL HAS USED." It is horrible that Hamas fires crude rockets into Israel. It is horrible that Hamas targets innocent Israeli citizens. Is it not also horrible that Israel continues to build settlements on occupied Palestinian land in defiance of International Law? ls it acceptable that Israel fires cluster bombs onto the Palestinian countryside of the type that were outlawed by the Geneva Convention? All of which feed the endless cycle of violence. Am I wrong to be bothered that my tax dollars help to fund this latest disproportionate use of force with mostly American Military Hardware components? The only reason that Israel doesn't use suicide bombers in their military campaign is because they can committ their atrocities from much safer distances.

The only reason that conservative Christians are so dogged in their support of the Zionist government of Israel is because they are believers in the "end of days prophecy." These Christian Fundamentalists groups believe that there will be an Apocolyptic batlle inwhich after the Jews defeat the Muslims and half of the Jews are killed in the battle, the other half will accept Jesus Christ as their savior and convert to Christianity. To this end Palestinian and Israeli agression are just collective theatre for which these Chrisian groups have "purchased" a front row seat. In order for the movie to turn out the way they want, the far Christian Right will do anything to support and finance the israeli military machine. Now tell me, how sick is that?

devin11, you are correct. You can see how Israel has now turned against the U.S. because Bush asked Israel to stop the aggression. Why should Israel be exempt from criticism? Freedom of speech for the Israelis only. Hell NO!

ObamaMania,
Israel could not survive as a state without the many billions of dollars every year in US "welfare" that is awarded them in economic subsidies as well as loan guarantees. Not to mention the billions more in Military Hardware components and Weapons Systems. If that were not enough the US gives Egypt and Jordan (second and third respectively in terms of foreigh aid welfare) billions of dollars in financial aid for them to have normalized relations and peace treaties with Israel. So that's right, not only do we subsidize each and every Israeli citizen we also reward their neighbors to be their friends!!! It is the height of hypocrisy and arrogance that Israel should ever accuse the US of betrayal for asking them to stop the current escalation that has caused the death of hundreds of innocents in just one week. Betrayal, when the very existence of Israel is not possible without the US. Betrayal, when Israel sold weapons to Iran durring the American hostage crisis.

devin,

Read a book.
The AID the US gives to Israel, Egypt and Jordan were all part of the Camp David Accords. Not Hypocrisy.
It was Jimmy Carter's Idea of peace.

devin11, the Palestinians are always portrayed as terrorists. There are Jews who are currently supporting Hamas.

A right-wing Jewish extremist shot and killed Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin as he left for a peace rally attended by more than 100,000 in Tel Aviv, throwing Israel's government and the Middle East peace process into turmoil.

http://fresnozionism.org/archives/869

AnthonyC,

Learn to read, Israel recieved foreign aid from the US well before the Camp David Accords. The Camp David Accords where the precursor to the Egypt-Israel peace treaty of 1979. The Jordan-Israel peace treaty was signed in 1994, a full fourteen years after President Carter left office. The signing of peace treaties and normalized relations with Israel is what garnered Egypt and Jordan their positions as second and third highest recipients of financial foreign aid, guess who is first. So again, we pay the Israeli neighbors to be friends with Israel. My reference to hypocrisy was in criticism of the Israeli response for citing betrayal by the US asking them to stop the current escalation and not from what you deduced from your lack of reading comprehension.
Cont.-----

It's obvious that you do not post with understanding but I didn't know that you also read without understanding!!! It's not surprising since you have a shared commonality with your favorite President in that you both have an aversion to reading, unless of course the author is Dr. Seuss or Stan Lee.

ObamaMania,

There are even Ultra Conservative Hasidic Sects that are against the Zionist policies of the Israeli Government. Please watch this short video as proof of such contradiction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWRX_OFOV08

Why do these Jews are gainst what Israel is doing?

PLEASE, PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oeB3QhX2RI

Jews and Muslims have been living in harmony. This video is proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWDufwhXeGA&NR=1

Just think for a minute....
A great number of Oil Rich Arab nations really don't care about the Palestinians or there cause.
About a week before the Bombing of Gaza, Thousands were protesting in the streets shouting "Death to Israel" and "Death to the U.S" and promising future attacks, meanwhile Rockets rain on Israel.
The blockade was intended to stop the Terrorist attacks from Gaza.
Hamas instead of using there tunnels into Gaza for food and medicine, they were used to smuggle in arms and explosives [ stock pile ]and so called freedom fighters, thanks to Iran.
Evidence is...Many, many more Rocket attacks and still counting.
Fact many Palestinians hate Hamas but are afraid to protest, they want to keep there heads.
Hamas has you guys fooled into believing there VICTIMS. Open your eyes.
Hamas and other Terrorist groups, all they want is the Destruction of Israel.
Why doesn't Iran just give the Palestinians a couple hundred square miles of dessert, that would settle it.

I'm in shock PROTEST IN THE DR....WHY THE DR ? Just look at the protesters, representatives from the Colombian Terror Group F.A.R.C and Syria Lebanese Palestinian Club....Are you kidding me.

I hope it's a WAKE UP CALL for the Dominican Police and also a perfect time for the Intel Division to I.D, photo and keep tabs on these individuals.

I don't know about you guys but, I'm still waiting for the Protesters to protest the 3000 plus ROCKET ATTACKS , and the countless suicide bombing against Israel.

Also regarding the shoes......Donate them to the poor.

Remember these famous words !
"EVERYTHING IS NEGOTIABLE, BUT THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL"

The Hamas militancy deserves to be wiped off the map of the earth, from the political to the military wing of this terror group. They have earned the wrath of the Israeli people and the IDF military forces. Now I ask you this, "what does the Israeli Zionist political system deserve"? Please remember before fomenting your decision that the government of Israel has;

Displaced millions of Palestinians from their homelands within Israel and without the right of return or compensation.

Continued in defiance of International Law to build settlements in Palestinian Occupied Lands.

Illegally use Military components and arsenals that are against the Geneva Convention.

Installed a collective system of oppression and Apartheid system of government for the continued metaphoric interment of the Palestinian people.

These actions, among countless others, continue to fuel the endless cycle of violence that permeate the Middle East conflict. Now to me, what does the Zionist government d

The Hamas militancy deserves to be wiped off the map of the earth, from the political to the military wing of the terror group. They have earned the wrath of the Israeli people and the IDF. Now I ask you this, "what does the Israeli Zionist political system deserve"? Please remember before fomenting a response that the government of Israel has;

Displaced millions of Palestinians from their homelands within Israel without the right of return or compensation.

Continue in defiance of International Law to build settlements in Palestinian Occupied Lands.

Illegally used Military components and arsenals that are against the Geneva Convention.

Installed a collective form of oppression and Apartheid system of governance for the continued metaphoric interment of the Palestinian people.

These actions, among countless others, continue to fuel the endless cycle of violence that permeate the Middle East conflict. Now tell me, what does the Israeli Zionist government deserve?

Talk about chutzpah!

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090112/world/israel_us_rice_1

To hvargas, I'm assuming you're Dominican? Although it doesn't matter if you're not! Your post is one of a few that is on point with facts & truth behind it. I'm ashamed of being a Dominican after reading some of the posts left by Dominicans. It seems that they don't have a clue of what they're talking about, it seems that they're parroting FOXNEWS, ABC, NBC, etc. Or the Bush, Zionist line. My conclusion is, that they're are making the victim the oppressor, and the oppressor the victim. It seems that they don't know about the 40-years of the 4th most powerful army in the world, occupying the land of another people, and the brutalization and humiliation( and these are kind words) of the people in this occupy land. They seem to NOT know the treachery of Israel, and is main supporter the US and some of the European nations to keep the status quote in the middle east. They do NOT know of the countless UN resolution that Israel has arrogantly refuse to abide by. I can only cry in shame.

Abdul stop crying it does not become you and the rest of the desert people ....stop whining and complaining and stop the rockets

It seems to me that some of the bloggers on this site think the world is consist of the US, Israel and a few Europeans nations. There's another 150+ nations that think that this is wrong. How can you attack a strip of land 29 miles long by 7 miles across, and one of the most populate in the world, with one of the most potent army, air force and navy in the world, against a population that don't have tanks, planes, helicopters or an army for that matter, and expect not to be a massacre. The court of human justices has denounce what Israel is doing as genocide, and is talking of holding the IDF and the leaders of Israel accountable for war crime against humanity. The bloggers on this site also think, that the brutal occupation of Palestinians by Israel shouldn't be resisted, in other words, they should either get out or just lay down and die. Tell that to Dominicans who resisted Trujillo's brutal dictatorship.

Hey gouletcolonial, it seems that you cannot contribute anything but swipe remarks about people on this site. What are you hiding? Lack of knowledge of the subject at hand, or maybe something more sinister? Please do share and contribute something that can be debate it.

antonioj, You're completely wrong about Israel being the only democracy in the middle east. Have you ever heard of Lebanon? or Hamas? Hamas for your information was elected by 73% of the Palestinian people, that is the highest vote count ever in the middle east, not even in Israel's entire existence have a party gotten so much support by the people. So please stop giving faults information to the bloggers on this site.

Throw down, Chauncey throw down!

Hey CarlosFranco, is NOT only incursions as you so nicely put it, but 40 years of occupation! do you know the different? And what is this nonsense "what did these people do to us???" We are all human beings first, so is not what they did to us( l can only think you mean by us, meaning 'us' as being Dominicans, and correct me if I'm wrong) but what they're doing to another human being, and it seems to me that you don't think there's nothing wrong with that?

elected at gunpoint abdul

Here, here Mymyspinthefacts! Stand by your guns and help erradicate some of the ignorance on this site with respect to the situation of the Palestinian people. I welcome you to DT and look forward to more of your input.

"elected at gunpoint abdul"

You'll have to prove that to me goulet.

these elected democratic types from Hamas went around and executed all the people pending trial for collaborating with the Israelis...how nice...Abdul Lebanon for the most part has been a stooge of Syria for some time now ....these are the people who you think are being oppressed ...Go doctor some more photos

"these elected democratic types from Hamas went around and executed all the people pending trial for collaborating with the Israelis..."

Where are you getting this information from? Please share with us.

ciby you should be baking more cookies for the neighborhood warming party not out there throwing chancletas with Abdul and his desert people friends at the embassy of the only Democracy in the region...Where it is legal for your wife to drive a car ciby think about it

ciby you said it and that is not PC ...desert people has replaced that and the other slurs such as Rug Rider ...Camel Jockey...Dune Monkey and Rag head ...

"ciby you should be baking more cookies for the neighborhood warming party not out there throwing chancletas with Abdul and his desert people friends at the embassy of the only Democracy in the region..."

A democracy founded on stolen land and that keeps a jackboot on the neck of the autochtonous people in the region. Spare me.

"ciby you said it and that is not PC ...desert people has replaced that and the other slurs such as Rug Rider ...Camel Jockey...Dune Monkey and Rag head ..."

I wonder if "spic" is also part of you repertoire.

I am shocked shocked

Hi again CarlosFranco, Some bloggers on this site have been using the Haiti & Dominican analogy, what if it was "Haiti using rockets on Dominicans civilians" to compare the Hamas & Israeli situation. Let me turn that analogy on its head. Imagine Haiti being the 4th most powerful force in the world, and got 4 billion $ a year from the US, the most sophisticate weapons & all the other French benefit that Israel gets from the US. Now imagine DR being occupy by Haiti & the brutality that comes with the occupation, 77% of Dominicans unemployed, and you couldn't do the most basic everyday routine, like visiting family or friends in the next barrio, without getting stop & waiting for hrs at check points. Imagine the humiliation for your father or mother being slap around by the occupier for protesting against these conditions . Or maybe your father, mother or sister or brother or any other member of your family kill by the occupying force for protesting against the occupation.

Abdul stop trying to paint your self as the little guy.....there are 11 000,000 count em eleven million Jews in the whole world and 1,000,000,000 count em one BILLION Muslims ...what is wrong with this underdog picture Abdul

"Abdul stop trying to paint your self as the little guy.....there are 11 000,000 count em eleven million Jews in the whole world and 1,000,000,000 count em one BILLION Muslims ...what is wrong with this underdog picture Abdul "

But there are not 1 billion palestinians and that's the group that's being affected. I don't understand where it is that you were going by even citing those numbers. It's just a smoke and mirrors tactic and nothing else.

when they are screaming" Death to America " they all look the same to me....and that goes for the Wahabis from Sodomy Arabia as well

"when they are screaming" Death to America " they all look the same to me...."

Maybe you should try to find out why there is such hatred for the US in the region. Just a thought. Every action has a reaction. It's a law of physics.

And CarlosFranco, to add to what l wrote above. Imagine your mother on the way to hospital ready to give birth to your sibling & both mother & child die because the occupy force kept them from reaching the hospital. And your most basic needs like running water, being divert to Haiti for their swimming pools, and your electric plants being bomb on purpose as a collective punishment for your resistance to the occupation. I could go on for days, but please do NOT take my words for it, check 1)Amnesty international 2)Human watch 3)The UN Declaration of Human Rights & the Israeli institution like B'Tselem. These institution are non-bias & in the case of B'Tselem, it is base in Israel.

ciby please they hate our civilization they are a blood thirsty "medieval " group of fanatics

"ciby please they hate our civilization they are a blood thirsty "medieval " group of fanatics"

How many palestinians do you actually know goulet? All you're doing is repeating soundbites. That idiot Bush said the same thing in one of his stupid rantings several years ago. Your statement has about as much credit as he does right about now.

like HST in a few years old Georgie wont look so bad...Carter was a much bigger loser and look at him they have almost rehabilitated the incompetent

"like HST in a few years old Georgie wont look so bad..."

We'll see about that. The country went to hell under his watch. That much is certain as of right now. But I'll concede that tomorrow things may be different. If Iraq becomes a model, western style democracy over the next few years he'll look like a genius. But that's a VERY BIG if.

Hi cibaeño75, why do you even pay mind to this clown 'gouletcolonial' in PR, he has nothing to say but degrade himself to racist comments, which in my humble opinion is the lowest form of defense when you're not capable of debating a subject with facts. What he is doing is reflecting from the real context of the issue on hand. So you see cibaeño75 is a ploy that the US, Israel and is Allied use over & over again, because you never get to the real issue at hand, it becomes a slug & slur match, and the real context of the issue gets lost. So please don't give him or her any more fuel, or time for that matter. Lets keep the debate on the Human suffering in Gaza alive..... Peace for now.

Ciby I am glad you can see that far ahead ...it is our best hope in this region and the best hope of all moderate Muslim peoples every where

do not listen to spin dry he is an outside agitator ....probably boxcutters and all...stick to the issue the phony doctored photos etc....spin dry will be in the mosque this afternoon praying for our demise

"do not listen to spin dry he is an outside agitator ...."

Where's the spin? What's he saying that's not true?

"
Written by: MyMyspinthefacts, 13 Jan 2009 12:38 PM
From: United Kingdom
antonioj, You're completely wrong about Israel being the only democracy in the middle east. Have you ever heard of Lebanon? or Hamas? Hamas for your information was elected by 73% of the Palestinian people
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You are indeed right, thank you for the correction

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All sizes available including men, women's and children shoes. Sport and dress alike.
All profits will be donated to José Francisco Peña Guaba Foundation at the Loteria Nacional
Thank you, and.......

ALLAH AKBAR!

A CNN journalist heard about an old Jewish man who had been going to the Western Wall to pray, twice a day, every day, for a long, long time.
So she went to check it out. She went to the Western Wall and there he was, walking slowly up to the holy site.
She watched him pray and after about 45 minutes, when he turned to leave, using a cane and moving very slowly, she approached him for an interview.
“Pardon me, sir, I'm Rebecca Smith from CNN. What's your name?”
“Morris Fishbienstein,” he said.
“Sir, how long have you been coming to the Western Wall and praying?”
“For about 60 years.”
“60 years! That's amazing! What do you pray for?”
“I pray for peace between the Christians, Jews and the Muslims.”
“I pray for all the wars and all the hatred to stop.”
“I pray for all our children to grow up safely as responsible adults, and to love their fellow man.”
“How do you feel after doing this for 60 years?”

“Like I'm talking to a fuc.ing wall.

*Let's pray for peace not hate.*

Hi again antonioj, many thanx for your acknowledgment. If l could also add, regarding democracy in the middle east, that after Hamas was elected democratically by the people! Israel, the US & most of western Europe, but not all, in cohoost with each other, decided to denounce the election because Hamas was the wrong kind democracy for the Palestinian people( you couldn't make that up if you try) So they decided to ostracize Hamas. Israel withheld money that belong to the Palestinian people, so money that they've work for was cut off. The US and some of the European nations put sanctions on the occupy territory, so the little to almost non-existence trade or commerce that the Palestinian people had was cutoff. And of course the many covert operation to undermine Hamas, pinning them against the puppet leaders of Fatah to try and divide the people of PALESTINE. Also the assassinations of is leaders by Israel. All of this is well documented, so seek & you shall find.... Cheers

“Like I'm talking to a fuc.ing wall.
LOL...good one generoso

"Written by: cibaeño75, 13 Jan 2009 3:45 PM
From: United States, New York City
“Like I'm talking to a fuc.ing wall.
LOL...good one generoso"

That the way I feel when I am talking to Chauncey!

MyMyspinthefacts,
Excuse me for budding in, but....
If 73% of Palestinians voted Hamas to power threw a Democratic Islamic fundamentalist Government, are they also the 73% crying Victims ?
Then the other 27% of the Palestinians are the Human Shields. I get it now.
The Palestinians only voted them to power because of there tough hatred Islamic Terrorist views and total Inhalation towards Jews & Israel.
Explain why Iran has such a strong support to Hamas threw weapons, explosives and Jihad fighters.
This mornings paper had a Political drawing.
It showed a Hamas Fighter in a battle zone with a Child placed in front of him, bombs blowing up all around him meanwhile hes firing his AK-47 and the caption reads....
"The Israelis are different than us. They don't Value Human Shields the way we do"
SIMPLE...Place Munitions and Hamas Jihad Fighters near and around the 27% Palestinians who are not Radical Muslims =2 birds with 1 stone. Problem of Victim/Support SOLVED.

mrios, Do You really expect me to answer on your absurd analogy of the situation in Gaza? Come better than that and we might have a proper debate...... Thanx but no thanx.

Abdul is back from the mosque....trying to incite more trouble....claiming hamas is democratically elected ....HOGWASH

Could you ladies and gentlemen please educate us (well at least me the campesino) on the origins of the Muslim, Jewish conflict.

Yes from day one!

Hi josean, I can recommend 'Occupation 101' on YouTube as a starter. Please check it out, about 80% of the narrators or the countless commentators to my knowledge are either Israeli or of Jewish blood. Most of them work in Israel for Humanitarian Organization like, B'Tselem, or write for one of the most respected newspaper in Israel Harretz. Some of the other commentators work for Organization like Human Watch & Amnesty International, etc. All very highly respected institutions. It will very hard for you to come to any other conclusion with the facts put down by some of the commentators, cause they are in the ground seeing for them self was is going on. You will get a brief history of how Israel came to be! Don't be surprise when it does NOT resemble what you have heard in the US media, or in school for that matter. If you think is too simplistic, check out anything by Norman Finkelstein, or checkout "The Making of the Arab Israeli Conflict" by Ilan Pappé.Good luck & keep an open mind.

Hi again josean, check out the video "the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by IIAN Pappe, Just Google it. By the way IIan Pappe is a renowned Israeli Historian, so you're getting the facts from the horses mouth. If you need other sources or links, please do not hesitate to ask....... Cheers

Thank you! I will study them.

MyMyspinthefacts,
Please contact Abc200 your both on the same page...
If you rely on YOU TUBE for news and information....God save us. that explains it !!!
REGARDING...Spin The Facts....
Get off the Carasel, being dizzy makes one UNBALANCED from looking whats up or down, right or left.
You sound like a Spider spinning a web.
Round and round everyone goes, where you stop, nobody knows.
Here's something to consider.
Islam means: total surrender.
Radical Muslim fundamentalist believe: Death to all infidels, Non-believers.
I think you fall into that category. I hope you feel better know.
You should check out Geert Wilders with a open total mind, of course.
Just as an example, the Dr...
Prostitution, Alcohol Abuse, Family Values, Drugs and Anti-Koran Behavior INFIDELS vs. more then the Holy way of Living, we'll be wiped off the face of the Island.
Maybe your right...We do need to side step Democracy in place of Total Religious Righteousness.

MyMyspinthefacts,
Are you and Abc200 one in the same ???
Why don't you just admit your Muslin and the true "Religion of Peace" , I for one, would still have respect for you.....Good thing for you my Faith doesn't believe in killing myself and many innocent others to just gain 72 Virgins and a place in Heaven next to God. HOW ABSURD...
I welcome your thoughts.......

Here we go again mrios! Turning the facts upside down & going into a rant about Muslims and Islam wanting to take over the world. Is quite interesting that you give credence to idle talk, but wouldn't even bat an eye lid to know who's really looking for world domination. Just ask yourself this question; How many countries does the US have a military base in? Then ask yourself another question; How many Islamic States have an occupying force in somebody else land? Let me know the answer when you find it. And do Please Keep listening to FOXNEWS and the corporate media for your source.I'm way ahead on you regarding Geert Wiilders, who's been exposed as a Fascist. Come on mrios surly you can do better then that. By the way I mention watching 'Occupation 101' on YouTube as reference, cause you can watch it for free. But if you prefer, you can actually buy it on dvd, cause is a full length documentary film with people who believe in Peace & Justice for Palestine & Israel.

Abdul the Spinner stop trying to paint your self as the little guy.....there are 11 000,000 count em eleven million Jews in the whole world and 1,000,000,000 count em one BILLION Muslims ...what is wrong with this underdog picture Abdul

mrios, Are you that brainwash? 'Good thing for you my Faith doesn't believe in killing myself and many innocent others" mrios Have you heard of the Korean war(3 million kill) the Vietnam war (4million kill) the Iraq war(1 million plus kill & counting) we'll leave out South America, the Caribbean and all the other parts of the world where the good old US of A(A Christen Country) committed mass murder. Who are you kidding? Surly not the bloggers on this site. You said yours is a religion of Peace, again l ask who're you kidding? For Christ sake just look into your own back yard(the real native) of the land you are occupying and what happen to them. By the way for the record, I'm atheist, and born in the Dominican Republic and raise in Brooklyn NY! But to your feeble mind if l simpatize with the course of an abuse & oppress people like the Palestinians, I must be a craze & fanatical Muslim. Funny that is, because is the same mentality of the right wing media & Politicians in the good

MyMyspinthefacts,
You are the one who's out of touch, in my home Town of Palmdale, California on Friday 1-09-09 with only not more then 2 dozen protestors made front page news... with out the Bombs WHY ? sounds to me like the kissing A** of and using the "Under the Freedom of Religion" protection of the U.S Constitution thats all.
You are Muslim.....Just admit it..
I'm Christian......I'll never deny my FAITH under GOD.
How about you ????
It's easier to believe a lie, then the truth.
A lie fits right into MANS lies.

I understand that israel is using White phosphorus (weapon) in Gaza such a crowded area.
This device need air to burn and will burn everything causing extreme death to civilians
if Israel want to avoid casuality to civilians, or if they care about the world opinion they should avoid using such controversial weapon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_(weapon)

Please mrios, Give me something with real substance regarding the issue of Israel rights to committed genocide in Gaza under the pretense of defending them self? Cause is quite clear what the UN and the Courts of Human rights are saying, that Israel's actions amounts to crime against humanity. Are you going to continue to defend the indefensible? Or maybe a few more slur on Muslim and their religion to make you feel better. Or maybe dishing out another fascist like "Geert Wilders" to fight your corner. Or maybe some more innuendo regarding my motives...... It is now 3am here in London, so need some sleep...... Cheers

mrios, I just gave you my answer regarding religion, I have NO religious leaning. But if you must know, on one side of my family our ancestors are from Spain, on the other side of African lineage. But as you might already know, Roman Catholicism is the official religion of the Dominican Republic, so by de facto I'm a Christian like yourself. Now isn't that ironic! But like gouletcolonial so eloquently put it, to me all religion is Hogwash!!!! But saying that, l have never felt to demean anybody else for their beliefs, and that's where you & me differ. While you believe that your religion is superior to the Islamic religion by the way you express yourself, l have no such notion that any other person or persons is above another in the eye of a superior being if there was such a thing. I hope l clear that riddle for you...... Good night.

Yourownspinonthefacts,
Poor you, you lost count..........7000 plus Rockets and mortars aimed at innocent Civilians.
Genocide......Is when Hamas is using Palestinians as "CHEAP HUMAN SHIELDS" to there benefit.
Screwed again by the United Nations......Always a little, to late..Lesson not learned.
After 3000 Rockets and counting, are you kidding me or what.
Would you jump into the ring with Mike Tyson....With the fear of getting you ear eaten...Then why be so stupid as to pick a fight you know you can't WIN at the sake of losing innocent lives......for what...In the Name of Who !
History has tough you nothing........they get what they deserve...I Take that back, they'll never learn anything as long as they hide behind Woman and Children for World Petty. No body not even the Oil Rich Arab Nations give a Sh** about the Palestinian Cause, that should tell us all something.
May God have petty on there souls.
Sleep good my friend why innocent Palestinians die for a lost cause..

mrios
I have been watching your senseless defense of the Israeli aggressors and the ethnic cleansing on the Palestinian population conducted by Zionists.
As a fellow Christian I am appalled by your statements and in disbelief on how you can so radically
defend the massacre being effected daily on the defenseless Palestinian civilians, women and children.
This modern day holocaust by Israeli SS troops will serve as a curse to the Israeli nation and will haunt them all their lives just like the horrible crimes committed against them by the Nazis cursed and haunted the german nation still to this day.
mrios you have been brainwashed and are repeating words injected to your brain by who knows
who for what purpose, but I urge you to review the facts on the other side of your far right intolerant beliefs.
The Palestinian nation is being massacred by the Zionists expansionism and ejected from their own land and their country by the invading Jewish hordes and mercenaries.

White phosphorus Effects on humans:(weapon use by Israel)

White phosphorus can cause injuries and death in three ways: by burning deep into tissue, by being inhaled as a smoke, and by being ingested. Extensive exposure in any way is fatal.

And yes if you look up the definition of genocide, that word did not exist before 1944.
Genocide is what is being done to the Palestinian by the mighty Israeli army. An army that has more than 4,000 tanks and 400 modern jet fighters. The 5 Th most powerful nuclear arsenal with an estimated over 300 nuclear bombs. An experienced and modern army equipped with the most modern technology and satellite surveillance provided by the USA. An army that has abused the defenseless Palestinian nation and destroyed over 12,000 Palestinian homes. An army that has a broken bones policy like no other horrible crime against humanity except in the most cruel African countries. An army that keeps the Palestinian population hostage and rationed in services such as food, water and curtailing the right to transit. As well as rationing basic services like garbage collection, electricity, and running water.
Just compare the casualty rates of deaths on both sides, and then make a judgement.

Generoso,
Yet the Rockets keep falling.....Suppled by whom? would you feel better if Israel bombed Iran, Can you ever imagine NUKES in the hands of Muslin Extremist don't you think twice they'll wouldn't use them. Don't think I don't think about the innocent lives especially Woman and Children being used as ponds by being placed in harms way, in the name of World Support, no one in there right mind would place them in danger, only COWARDS WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, Israel is placing there own troops lives in danger in order to bring the fight to the Hama's front door. Yet not a word against Egypt a fellow Muslim Nation...Simple Egypt like other Arab Nations have yet to condom Israels Action....WHY ?
The real Tragedy is after all is said and done, besides your voices falling silent, what would be done in the future to AVOID SOMETHING LIKE THIS FROM STARTING AGAIN FROM BASE ONE.
NOTHING....

Generoso,
One has to ask with an impending war looming why would loving Parents with Children would even stick around ?
Rah tag Terrorist Group Hamas vs.4000 Tanks and 400 state of the art fighters Planes, the 5th most powerful Army with 300 Nuclear weapons supported by the U.S.....Are you crazy...YES, They are, but smart Adults and Fighters don't draw as much attention as innocent Woman and Children JUST WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY EXPECTING.
If Israel wanted they could have leveled Gaza flat. by now.
I am no one to Judge......
Approx. 73% PROTEST, 27% SUFFER.....Why ?
Sad, jump the Chavez Bandwagon and voice a losing Palestinian Rebel call, them take responsibility for future actions.
Do your self a favor and talk to some Christian Palestinians, Lebanese and Iranians you'll be surprised to hear from there own words.

mrios stick to your guns ...do not be swayed by " Abdul the spinner " Hamas and Hizbollah will give no peace to the Israelis... they are fanatics

Good Morning mrios from sunny London, At first l was skeptical of your attentions, but non the less l reply to your post just to test the waters, but it became quite apparent that you couldn't adhere to the principle of debate. I gave you some of the most respected sources in the world when comes to Human concerns, like Amnesty International, Human Watch, The UN Declaration of Human Rights, etc. I gave you sources in Israel for you to absorb, like B'Tselem, and one of Israel's most respect newspaper Haaretz. You in kindness gave me as your source a redneck from Holland, who is regarded in Europe as a fascist. I should have known the moment you brought religion into the fold, that it had nothing to do with the issue @ hand, but more to do with the bashing of another people, either because of color or religion. While Israel does is deed in Gaza, you do the PR work for them. Is NOT the first or the last time a person like yourself tries to make the victim the oppressor & vice versa.

abdul the spinner ....this is for you to read about your heroes at Hamas and Hezbollah .from todays NY Times....http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/14/opinion/14goldberg-1.html

Yea Abdul if only Yasir " that my Baby No sir I dont mean maybe " Arafat were alive today Hamas would be fighting with him not the Israelis....stop apologizing for these creeps ...They are the reason innocents are suffering in Gaza

Hi Colonialpower, If you need some more links, please don't hesitate to let me know...... Yours Truly 500 years of Colonialoppression.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gre....-on-gaza-as-usual-u_b_153757.html
http://www.btselem.org/English/
http://bbsnews.net/article.php/20090111162755263

mrios
I have talked to mostly Christian Palestinians and Lebanese, many are refugees now living with their cousins in DR running from the carnage and genocide being inflicted on them by the brutal Israelis.
You should come and talk to them too, you will be outraged of the stories and the crimes against humanity being done daily in the name of peace.
The Lebanese had part of their country destroyed and the new booming tourist industry in shambles
after the disproportionate Israeli attack and destruction of their international airport and stranding of more than 500,000 tourists in that country, and irreversible damaged inflicted to their economy.
All this by a war monger, imperialistic and Zionist expansionist Israeli army backed by certain far
right groups and arms merchants in the US and financed mostly by the US government that gives Israel 33% of the total world foreign aid.
Do not blind yourself to the truth, my friend. The truth does not take sides.

MyMyspinthefacts,
Well you sounded like you had a good, safe, peaceful and restful nights sleep, only to rise to a sunny jolly old London morning.
Regarding honest debate.....The purpose of debates is not bash one another but aimed at the readers and public to inform, educate. It also test individuals personal beliefs and hopefully questions ones own beliefs which is based on all Human elements. I have always looked at things with an open heart and mind, believe it or not.......
Regarding Geert Wilders...He's no friend of mine, to be honest someone emailed me a copy of his lecture.
Although it may be great to read and post articles of information, the bottom line is, truth is where one looks to find it, and used only to reinforce ones own beliefs.
I have had the pleasure of making friends with many Lebanese, Palestinian, Iraqi and Iranians who were not Muslims.....All agree NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE FANATIC FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAMIC MOVEMENT, they are the real PROBLEM.

mrios
I agree what you said about the Muslim fundamentalists. They are the ones causing havoc in the world because of their religious intolerance.
What is fundamentalism?
Is basically the belief that you are the only one that's in the right and all others are wrong and should be destroyed.
Religious tolerance is: I believe in this but I respect your right to believe in other concepts and religions. Or no religions if you so choose.
The muslim sheiks and religious leaders are to blame because they do not issue their "fatwas" to condone and prohibit these useless suicide bombings that terrorize the world. As it is banned in their Koran.
But going back to the subject matter, educate and illustrate yourself with other independent news source about the Gaza and Palestinian struggle because the information you are receiving is tainted and bias.
Bless.

Generoso,
thank you for the honest reply, exchange of information / COMMUNICATION.
I just wonder if MyMyspinthefacts really My spin on the facts, thats all.
The fundamentalist call for a Jihad, as always they'll go to extreme measures even if it results in the death and Slaughter of INNOCENT LIVES.........The end should NEVER, NEVER justify the means. I have a saying I'll share....If you want the real truth, look for it yourself.

..http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/14/opinion/14goldberg-1.html

read about that creep the Israelis killed with his family last week in the above link from todays NY Times

he had a bunch of wives none of which were allowed to drive the car .....well it dont matter anymore for him he is in the hottest part of you know where

Hi generoso, Although we have more or less the same fundamental beliefs regarding the issue @ hand. I think regarding mrios, we'll end up falling into a trap of deceit. Mrios has a problem with keeping the issue into context. He doesn't reply with any coherent objectives regarding the issue. His replies are basically a tirade of abuse towards Muslim, and Islam. these are his last words to me "NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE FANATIC FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAMIC MOVEMENT, they are the real PROBLEM" Is pretty obvious that he's NOT skool on US & W. Europe's foreign policy towards the Muslim countries, specifically in the Middle east for the last 100years or so. I would be pretty angry if l was a Muslim knowing what the West has being doing, specially the last 20years or so. Much of the blood spill in the last 10years has been Muslim blood, and who do you think has been doing the spillage in(Iraq, Afganstan, & Palestine, & most likely Iran) I have no illusion on some rogue Islamic countries.

Sorry generoso I ran out space! Follow up to my last post to you. This faults accusation about Islam wanting to take over the world, is one the ploys the neocons in the US, Israel and part of W.Europe use to invade Iraq(with 1-million dead & counting) It is also one of the ploys that Israel use against Palestine, Lebanon & their neighbors to attack them at will. They want to "wipe us from the earth" ploy. Now come generoso, Israel is the 4th most powerful force on the planet, how is HAMAS going to achieve is aim? With home made rockets? No Army, No Air Force or navy. Surely you must see this as preposterous? We must keep it into context, HAMAS capability is so limited is even farcical just talking about it, is idle talk. On the other hand, take a look of a map of Gaza & the W.Bank, and Jerusalem. You will see who's trying to "wipe" who from the map, and you can be sure that they're doing a good job. I personally wouldn't give too much credence on blaming Islam as the problem.

yes soon we will be taking out the Iranians and half the Arab world will cheer

Hi again generoso, just a Continuation to my last post. I think if you want to get to the major problem and causes in the Middle East, you need to dwell into the USA Colonial frame of mind for the last 100 years. Is no conicedence that the US has 130+ army bases around the world, and plenty in the Middle East, but look up army bases in foreign lands by fanatical Islam & you will find 0. Now l ask you generoso, who's trying to take over the world? The funny thing is generoso, that past & present US Presidents and public officials, Senators & what have you, have actually made comments on the intentions of US foreign policies and specifically on Expansion wether it be Politically or through Military means, is no secret. If you want to find some of the source to confirm there are plenty abound, but Look up "Professor Chomsky" for in depth discussion on the issue. I ask you again who's trying to take over the World?

" Nutbar Noam Chomsky " is where you are coming from Abdul the spinner you are really from the lunatic fringe

Who's your mentor ColonialPower "Alan Dershowitz"? The Chicharrons fat in PR is blocking any blood reaching your brain mate.

Abdul the spinner ...here read this hes a smart guy ...http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/14/opinion/14friedman.html

Thanx for that ColonialPower, let me return the favor, this guy is even more smarter.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2378048083114640496

MyMyspinthe facts
Thank you for a most enlightening video. I had read the book already.

The only solution to the middle east problems and specially the Israel-Palestinian Mexican stand
off are two things.
1. Recognition of Israel as a state that will never move or be driven into the sea by all their neighbors.
2. For Israel to give up backing the settlers and invaders of the best Palestinian land and stopping the genocide of the Palestinian nation, and resolve not to evict them from their land, but to live peacefully with the Palestinian and actually be good and charitable neighbors.
If both sides can not compromise and give a little then they will be no solution.
The Palestinian have very little left to give in a negotiation so their only resort is to blow themselves up or become a terrorist in anger and despair of all the Israeli crimes against them,
committed with impunity on a daily basis.
"You can not hide the bright sunlight only with your finger", old proverb.
In a few years the doomsday profecies will come to past and a nuclear war will erupt in the

region unless the USA, yes the USA who fuels and backs unconditionally the state of Israel, realizes
that this expansionism policies and genocide of the Palestinian nation has to come to an end.
Compromise can only be reached if there is give and take on both sides not just one.

generoso good solutions but you missing the root of the problem.

Jerusalem is the problem and both people want control of the old city.
why? because in jerusalen is where you find the greatest amount of holy Crap in the planet
and jews and muslimes are fighting to see who will control access to the city.
just like they did 500 yrs back

what we need to do is blow the whole city into pieces and then send in the army corp og ingineers to level the city flat, including all the churches, mosques, Synagogues, temples etc.

while we at it nuke mecca and medina and sell vatican city and all its millions in gold, jewels and ancient arts and use that money to feed the poor.
After that move there will be no more war in the middle east.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem

This is by far the simplest solution to all this it is called the Patton Doctrine pay attention....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3WnpUZFEyA&feature=channel_page

.Whilst walking through the desert during the Iraq war General Petraeus stumbled over a old oil lamp disturbing and freeing the powerful genie inside .who of course promised the General one wish of anything he wanted.It was then that the General spread out his campaign maps of the Middle East on the desert sand and said to the Genie.My wish is for peace in these lands Israel and Palestine and all the other Arabic countries...At which point the Genie started to weasel out of his one wish offer saying he was powerful but these people had been fighting for centuries and there was no hope for a resolution under any circumstances forget it.Please make a different wish..A somewhat disappointed General picked up his maps and began to walk away.the Genie called out go ahead make another wish you still have the wish ...to which the General replied " well then how about an honest Government in the Dominican Republic " to which the Genie replied " Lets have another look at those maps again "

Hi People of Conscience, below is a link that will make blind people see, and the wicked to despair. Be patient and see the whole series, because it will put the Middle East situation in is proper context once and for all...... Peace

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2378048083114640496

Four Religious Truths

During these serious times, people of all faiths should remember these four
religious truths:

1. Muslims do not recognize Jews as God's chosen people.

2. Jews do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah.

3. Protestants do not recognize the Pope as the leader of the Christian world.

4. Baptists do not recognize each other at Hooters.

The truth must be known..... Peace

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=2488

old_school_trinitario
Jerusalem WAS a problem a few years back, the Palestinians have since lost so much more that is
not even very high in their agenda any more, although it is still in their wishful thinking prayers.
Simplistic solutions like nuking mecca and medina and sell all the treasures of the vatican sound a bit crazy now and you must not be serious. A few years from now they won't be so crazy. But maybe all the vatican treasures will not have any takers as people will be more worried about finding something to eat.
I like the nuking solution and we have some really clean bombs that are just begging to be used instead of letting them rot and become unserviceable because with the coming financial catastrophe we would not be able to afford to keep servicing them and they will become useless.
I say nuke them now while we can and worry about it later. Nuke Iran too before they can nuke us.
If we have a small nuke left over send it to Castro to see if that SOB finally dies.

An important correction
The BIG LIE that has been spread by the Zionist spin doctors and repeated so much that people believe it is the truth, that Jews and Arabs have been enemies for centuries and fighting it out.
Not true, very untrue as a matter of fact.
The Jews and arabs always lived peacefully and in harmony. There are many jewish residents and citizens of many arab countries that have businesses there. I met some of them personally.
The friction and clashes with the Jewish residents of Palestine only started in the 20 TH century,
I believe the first clashes were after 1920 or so.
So don't you believe that big lie and consult the reputable history books.

My own spin on the facts,
I live approx. 170 miles North of the Mexican Border, and had visited Tijuana and Rosarito Beach many, many times in the past my Wife's Aunt owns a Beach House in Down Town Rosarito, while you live half way around the World, and I bet you never visited the area, all from the land who's Sun will never set. I just hope the readers of this Forum come to a understanding of the facts as they see it, not as you want them to see, I'll sure they have enough knowledge to see threw the smoke screen created.
No one in their right mind will except the mass destruction created by Israel's military might , thanks to the Palestinian's 73% backed Hamas the so called Freedom fighters supported by Iran. I will not respond any more on this subject. I'll just click on to CNN and watch it live, and will pray for a end to this total Madness and PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

" lets have a look at those maps again " .......no fuzzy math !

The issue to the claim of Jerusalem as the capital by both the Israeli's and the Palestinians is the third of the other two much more difficult sticking points. The "Border Issue", wherein Israel has continued to build illegal, in accordance to International Law, settlements on occupied land in the West Bank and the "Refugee Issue", wherein Israel refuses to allow the millions of displaced Arabs back into Israel or compensation to the same. These three major sticking points have and will for perpetuity be used as the stumbling block for a two state solution. This complicated conflict has much, much more to do with regional power and control than all of the other variables such as, religion, culture, ethnicities and all other elemental differences combined. I cannot propose to know what the solution is or ever will be, what I do propose and suggest is that the US should cease and desist from the continued and unfair support of the Zionist occupation and abuse the Palestinian People.

mrios
Wrong again señor, I have visited Tijuana and Rosarito beach many times, maybe even before you where there so you see you can not assume that you are right even part of the time.
FYI used to live in Los Angeles and was close, so I traveled frequently to Baja California sometimes to see friends there.
Better stick to CNN.
Adios amigo.

mrios either someone
complained about one or two of your posts or the oversensitive DT censor got you

mrios, You talk in riddle mate, what smoke screen are you talking about? I put up links for people to check out and see the other side of the argument, and if you're honest to yourself & the rest of the people on this forum, you should know that something like 95% of the Americans do NOT know the other side of this tragic story. Americans get fed a diet of of lies, misinformation, half truths & and down right garbage from the mainstream media every day. I'm sure that the readers on this forum are intelligent enough to look at facts and weight them against what the establishment & news such as CNN/FOX & the likes have been feeding them for so long. There will be people who will trip over the truth & will still not see it. You know the saying, if tell a lie(in this case tons of lies) in time people will start to believe it, that is the nature of the beast. Now you mrios, to my knowledge only posted one source "Geert Wilders" the known fascist, than you had to retract your support when

good morning " Abdul the Spinner " just getting off your shift at al Jazeera....do you have any photo shop stuff to day...it appears no matter how much you shovel it is not going to help your buddies at Hamas the Israelis are going to dig them out of the ground and kick their @ss

the truth came to be known about "Geert Wilders". Talk about smoke screen....... People of Conscience, root out the agents Provocateur on this forum & expose them for what they are; war mongers, but NOT just war mongers, but cowards of the highest magnitude. It beggars belief that these people try to justify Israel's action in Gaza as defending their people, by using F16, Apache Helicopters, Tanks & the Navy, with the most sophisticated missiles against a people who can't hardly feed them self, never mind try & defend them self against the 4th most powerful force on the planet. The fact that some people don't question their government of why Gazans are living in these conditions, & the ones that do question it, are happy with the pack of lies that the media & their government gives them. Is really hard to understand how some people on this forum have lost their Humanity, but is even harder to understand how they can push these lies they're pushing on this forum... Peace

mrios
My pleasure to name streets, I was too old for high schools, but I did attend Cal State Northridge, Wilshire blvd, santa monica blvd, rodeo dr in BH, la brea ave, Pico Blvd, I lived on Holman Ave in La 90024 close to the mormon temple if you must know, then I moved to Pacific Palisades in the corner of US1 and Sunset Blvd near the Self Realization Fellowship Temple.
I also lived in Inglewood briefly and Montebello as well.
"Birds of a feather" now you are getting mean, seems like you are getting infected by other posters here that because of their limited knowledge and acumen can only resort to slander and demeaning remarks.
Let's stick to opinions and facts and not get personal and start the name calling, you had your reasons for doubting my sincerity, really I had no reasons to lie or bend the truth otherwise, and
I don't see the point in proving if I lived in LA or not.
BTW my office was located on wilshire blvd downtown LA near the La Brea tar pits.

A perfect example of a Agent Provocature & a WAR MONGER "gouletcolonial" in Puerto Rico. Probably sitting @ home in old San Juan waiting for his Welfare check to arrived from his Masters in the US. Hope the welfare check is enough to cover the shame of selling your Island to the good US of A. And enough for the services you render as a mouth piece for tyranny & the garbage that spools out from your brain..... Non the less 'gouletcolonial' hide under a palm tree from the nuclear fallout..... Salud.

My Apologies to the Conscience bloggers on this forum for getting into a tit for tat with 'gouletcolonial' & 'mrios' which is a pure diversion tactic of these 2 individuals & few others on this forum. This tactic being use only serves the haters & War Mongers of the world. It does NOT shed light on knowledge and truth & justices which should be the main purpose of this forum..... Again my apologies & Peace

Surly you must of heard of the saying "who the cap fit let them wear it"?

Abdul the Spinner "....Your false humility is disgusting and your proclivity to be disingenuous is surpassed only by your slimyness....Hamas and Hezbollah deserve you ...and in your case there is a lid for every garbage can

and don't call me Shirley !

Have l hit a raw nerve? Why this tirade of emotion all of a sudden? Peace

This is beginning to sound like a soap opera....... As the World Spins.

" As the stomach turns "

Gouletcolonial, for your eyes only!

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=2494

I heard the Isreali army have shell the UN coumpound with white phosphorous, how can they do that when they have the coordinates ? I am starting to wonder now I gave the Israeli the benefit of the doubt, I think now it's time for them to pack, and stop that non-sense, karma may get them.

Karma is why they are doing it ...They know the other guy deserves it

antonioj,

" karma may get them" That's the understatement of the Century....... Peace

Abdul the al jezeera stooge rears his ugly head

mrios
My boss was a Jewish man, and he was very smart, kind and knowledgeable so what?
For us that lived in Westwood, Wilshire and La Brea was downtown.
Montebello FYI is next to East Los Angeles and Monterey Park, and at the time it was considered the Beverly Hills of all the Chicano's in the area. Monterey Park had many Japanese living there.
Yes and I used to have lunch at the Israeli deli at farmer's market and loved the falafels on pita.
Many of my clients were Jewish, most were chicanos, some Dominican professionals, Panamenian, Armenians, and others.

Hi People of Conscience, Here are a few links that should be of interest to this forum. the first link was posted to me by non other than 'gouletcolonial'. It is from the NY Times & the writer is Tom Friedman. The 2nd link is the one l sent 'gouletcolonial' from the Norman Finkelstein's website & the writer is Glenn Greenwald. Please try and digest what Tom Friedman is suggesting, and checkout Glenn Greenwald rebuttal......Peace

1)http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/14/opinion/14friedman.html
2)http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=2494

conscious yes conscience no big difference..".Abdul the Spinner "

Thanx for that ColonialPower! You're a real buddy........ Peace

GC don't waste your time with spinmyfarts as he tries time after time to understand a conflict that is base on hate and bias & is way over his comprehension level.
If you don't want to look like an azz be smart don't pick sides on this fight.
The palestinians elected hamas knowing their sole purpose is the destruction of israel
and now they are taking it up da azz.
The Israelis continued to act like they are the God sent people and that the land belong to them alone and that the God almighty is on their side, after they finish killing two thousand palis to finish hamas Israel is goinna have to deal with generation of angry arabs willing to blow the living crap out of them for decades to come. NO PEACE FOR THE LAND OF JESUS.
this conflict Is never going to stop unless we let them fight it out.
religious fundamentalism is the real reason this region of the world is so unstable, don't fool yourself into thinking this can be resolved with dialog and negotiations because both sides

cont:

only understand the languaje of gunz & bombs

Hola 'old_school_trinitario', Nice to meet your acquaintance compadre! I'll let the slur go over my head, so we don't start on the wrong foot. I actually agree with part of your statement "let them fight it out". The only minor flaw l can find with that Brilliant assessment is: The Palestinians don't have an Army, F16, Apache Helicopters, Tanks, or a Navy. Unlike Israel. But maybe you're thinking Hamas with their home made Rockets that have killed 3-Israelis is a pretty balance force against Israel. Is like Haiti having the Israeli arsenal, and Dom Rep having Platano launchers, and you know what damage a few thousand platanos can do.How about a few chi-chi waas flighting over Port-au-Prince and dropping some Mangos to finish them off.... My analogy is preposterous as your suggestion. Can you Comprehend that amigo? ..... Salud Compadre.

what slur you talking about?
anyway , look spinner i agree the palis don't have the military might of the IDF but none of this technology is usefull in closed quater urban combat with buildings full of civilians been used as human shields.
The U.S military as of today is dealing with the same issue in Irak and afghanistan and they have their hands full to avoid civilian casualties.Fear itself is a powerful weapon my friend, how would you like to live in fear of your life for the rest of your existance?expecting to be blown to pieces at any bus stop.
don't participate in the propaganda war that is going on right now on every medium known to man.
Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hizbollah, the Saudis, the pakis, the Jews, everyone can go to their respective hells and stay there, let civilized secular society move foward without all this religious bullcrap.

and1 more thing, have somebody hit you on top of your head con un platano BARAHONERO?
u dont know bro.
salud

I have to make a note of that brilliant new idea for the upcoming Dominican-Haitian war, chichiguas
dropping rotten mangoes on Haitians, they will eat them anyway and get sick and die. UUUUmmmm.
But I like the hateiam1804 idea better to load a crop duster plane with that green voo doo powder that turns people into zombies and spray that from the air. Who knows we might have a secret weapon here we can sell to the Israelis so instead of finishing off the Palestinians slowly and bombarding them with white phosphorus
grenades they can turn the few remaining Palestinians and turn them into zombies, to be used as personal slaves to the settlers. Right Mr. Fishbelstein?
What? You are not interested? The Palestinians are damaged goods you say?
Oh, so you just rather finish them off, hey, I was only making a suggestion, sorry!

somebody hit you on top of your head con un platano BARAHONERO u dont know bro. That's a good 1-Bro! I'm already feeling home sick. And l agree on "religious bullcrap" statement. But to the serious problem @ hand. Surly you must see this whole matter in is context, like how this problem originate in the first place. I hope you know the real truth on how Israel acquire this land in the first place? And I'm sure you must heard of the word "Nakba"? I will assume that you know these things, so how can you in any shape or form NOT condemn Israel's actions knowing full well what has happen to the Palestinians since the making of the Jewish State in 1948. If you did your homework correctly, you will also see when the problems begun in that part of the world and why is drag on into the present. Think of the establishment of the Jewish State & the dispossession of the Palestinian's land, and throw in the imperial USA & Europe, and you will find the heart of the problem... Can you send me some

Mangoo, or a nice Sancocho will do..... Peace for now.

generoso, is that sarcasm or pure hate? Honestly I CANNOT tell.... Peace

Hey mrios, Check this link out, and guess who these bombs were going to be drop on... Peace


http://www.thehollywoodliberal.co....li-children-sign-bombs-with-love/

spinner
It is absolutely not hate. I was being sarcastic of course, what else?

generoso, is like a jungle out there & sometimes it makes me wonder ha ha ha!

mrios
Seriously bro, you are being brainwashed. What you believe in is not true.
Repeat after me:
I will study the other side of the story and make my own judgement based on those facts.
I will not repeat like a parrot the same scratched record stories that I am being fed by the media.
Believe me bro, I have no reason to take sides, and furthermore nothing to gain.
The Palestinians are being massacred by the Zionist Israeli jews. It is not a religious war is a
colonial conquest similar to when the criminals that Spain sent as conquerors and wanted to get rid off in Spain and they came to America and destroyed and extinguished a beautiful and peaceful Indian civilization, to take over the land and riches. Same thing is happening in Palestine.
It is called genocide, and as fellow Christian human beings we should no allow that.
Palestinians are being exterminated and evicted from their own rightful land. Zionists do not want peace, they want all the Palestinians dead and gone.

Generoso, so wassup with 'gouletcolonial' aka 'ColonialPowers' He's been awfully quiet? I hope he hasn't taken our idea of the chi-chi waas literally and is gone to bomb the US with rotten mangos..... Peace

spinner
Your idea of the chichiguas. I don't know where he is and I really don't care.
Bye.

mrios
I could care less about Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah or any of those terrorists and mega-corrupt individuals and I hope that they are all exterminated.
I only care about the Palestinian civilians and the innocent men, women and children that are being massacred in the name of retaliation.
FYI Hamas was a creation of Israel and was financed by them as a counterpart to the Fatah organization.
Facts not hearsay. Just do your research, you are not a humanoid with robotic impulses and reactions. Free yourself from the daily propaganda bombardment by the bias media. CNN, Fox
and most of the others are not impartial and are protecting their sponsor income.

Generoso, You're right on point with your reply to 'mrios' just look @ who he has as a reference & source. A right wing US media editor like Kathryn Lopez . My man this what you're dealing with, as far as news goes in the US. I wonder if 'mrios' knows what the rest of the world think of US news?

To all you posters.....
If the Muslims in the ME would make this statement, then all could be settled.
And that statement is, "We recognize Israel and its right to exist."
Until that statement is made, no peace.
Hamas will never make that statement, period.
Therefore, no peace.

then its the Patton Doctrine............No fuzzy math

then its the Patton Doctrine....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3WnpUZFEyA&feature=channel_page

walnut said: "To all you posters.....
If the Muslims in the ME would make this statement, then all could be settled.
And that statement is, "We recognize Israel and its right to exist."
Until that statement is made, no peace.
Hamas will never make that statement, period.
Therefore, no peace."

The same could be said about the following statement, walnut: "We, the israelis, will stop the encroachment on palestinian lands represented by our ILLEGAL settlements on the West Bank (Cisjordania)". No statement, no peace. ¿Como te quedó el ojo, pilarín? Peace is a two-way street...

Man, I do not know which side I am any more, if the smartest brain in the world can not resolved this, shame on all of us. One thing I am sure Israeal have no justfication to use such overwhelming brutal force.

Hi antonioj, Check out this link from B'Tselem the Human Rights group in Israel, so you can get an idea of what the IDF is doing in Gaza...... Peace

http://gazaeng.blogspot.com/

" Lets have a look at those maps again "..........no fuzzy math

Hi walnut, Do you know what you're talking about? So these words "We recognize Israel and its right to exist." or lack of saying these words is the reason that there's no Peace in the M.East, so this is the reason why Israel has kill over 1000+ Palestinians in Gaza. Let me ask you a question, has Israel ever recognize Palestine? Beside it being a legal issue, and I'll explain it to you. First, if Hamas was to recognize the state of Israel, the Palestinian people will be basically giving up their rights to the land that was acquire in the 67 war by Israel, which under international law it's illegal. If Israel recognizes Palestine, it is basically giving back what they stole in 67, so again if the international law were apply Israel will have to give it back. So forget the erroneous idea that these words will bring Peace, it's just a smoke screen by Israel & is backers...... Peace

"We can forgive jews for killing our children. We can not forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Israelis when they love their children more than they hate us".
Old woman resident of Palestine.

Generoso,
I apologize for things I said in the past........I have learn so many things from this Forum. But I'm shocked how it inputs Items that were twisted far from what I really meant to be said....

mrios
Apologies accepted, no hard feelings. This is an open forum to exchange ideas and points of views. If you resort to slander and name calling is Ok too, we have all done it in a moment of anger.
The important thing is to be able to apologize later. That is the mark of a man.
I have also learned a lot in this forum. And I look forward to reading the very wise ideas that I read. Sometimes not to my liking, but that generates
forward thinking as well if they are not taken as a threat.
Be well my friend, and stick around, this gets better all the time.

Edited

I am with the Patton doctrine too. Except the choice of targets should be revised. How about this:
1. Teheran, Iran
2. Riyad, Saudi Arabia
3. Kabul. Afganistan
4. Jerusalem, Israel
5. Islamabad, Pakistan
6. Cairo, Egypt
7. Havana, Cuba
8. Caracas, Venezuela
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3WnpUZFEyA&feature=channel_page

Fidel may have kicked the bucket and Raul will be leaving with the stiff for Caracas to look for a condo

Hi generoso, If you really really wanted to make a different in the world surly these would be the targets. These 3 bad boys are the cost of MOST of the misery on this Planet. And by the way, I live on number 2. You can consider me collateral damage...... Peace

1)Washington D.C.
2)London, England
3)Jerusalem, Israel

P.S. And NOT exactly in that order.

Mr. Spin,
You read to much Hamas propaganda.
Have you ever been to the ME?
Have you ever experienced being shelled?
Has a family member of yours ever been killed by a suicide bomber?
I can answer yes to all of the above.
Forget what you read in the media; it is always slanted one way or the other.
The war of 67 was an unprovoked attack on Israel. What they gained was for a buffer against further attack.
There is no such people, currency or territory as Palestine. This land was what was given by the UN to the Jewish people after WWII. It now is a modern, high tech land. Those Arabs that were there at the time of the UN's actions were given the chance to stay. A few stayed, most left at the command of ther leaders. And then tried to attack and kill the Jews.
When Israel pulled out of Gaza, the people there were given a chance to re-build and start a land. They chose to build tunnels to arm themselves, not feed and build a nation.
We say dayenu. Enough is enough.

From the time of the pharoahs in Egypt to the leaders of the Spanish inquistion to Nazi Germany to the terrorists of Mumbai, the world has tried to eliminate the Jews.
Time to live in the 21st century.
My family there are PHDs, MDs and honest business people who want to live in peace.
The Gazans only want to destroy this.
They use hospitals, mosques and the UN buildings as military sites.
After lobbing 1000's of missles, we say dayenu. Enough.
And, we do not care what the world thinks because if we listened, we would be annihilated.
So sorry for what has occurred. Time to move to the 21st century.
In closing, when the Arabs of the world finally accept the Jews right to exist in Israel, a major first step will take place.
And I see your leader in Gaza today refuses a cease fire.....keep it up IDF until they are willing to accept peace not war, the 21st century not Sharia law, then maybe there is a chance.

" Abdul the Spinner " will be back to spin his thing and show us his photo shop photos and deny deny deny

The heroes of the Muslim world, the so-called "martyrs" are killers of innocent people, sometimes their own.
Where is this guys outrage of the 1000s of Muslims killed by Muslims in Iraq.
The millions displaced and 1000s killed in Darfur, all by Muslims.
It is a double standard where they are always the victims but never the instigator.
Dayenu.....enough!!!!