From: United States
This is the problem, I don't know if this is done purposely or is it just plain incompetence. But the Dominican government does not have well defined, but rather has conflictive immigration policies. On one end they condemn and persecute undocumented Haitians, regularly deport illegals by the thousands, yet on the other, both the public and private sector promotes their presence. The Dominican gov't readily provides free education and health care to any Haitian that easily walks over the border into Dominican territory. Similarly the business sectors does the same, by creating incentives to help increase the numbers in an ever growing cheap Haitian labor force.
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Written by: josean, 9 Oct 2009 11:39 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
A slap in the Face to the Ayatollah Nicolas De Jesus Lopez Rodriguez and all the exnopbic, racist and opportunist politicians in DR and the local DT chapter of the KLAN!
Written by: telemeco, 9 Oct 2009 12:13 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
they should be gather and take to a city where they allow to live within Dominican territory this way we know where they are....Barahona,, need to be populate
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Oct 2009 12:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Jesuits (Comunists disguised as priests) should go to Haiti and take all the Haitians with them and whil they are at it they should take false Dominicans like josean with them !
These enemies of the state would undo all that our forefathers struggled with their blood to free us from the Haitians .
Worst of all they conspire with those who would destroy the Dominican Republic!
Written by: josean, 9 Oct 2009 1:04 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Speaking of xenophobic, racist, paranoid ,right-wingers who make the KLAN smile!
From: United States
So not wanting unskilled workers who entered your country illegally is racist...
Written by: USADR, 9 Oct 2009 1:36 PM
From: United States
It appears that anyone who voices their concern about the very real and legitimate illegal Haitian immigration issue is 'xenophobic and racist'. These sensationalist words are often used by people with either sometype of distorted idealism or at worst enemies of the Dominican people.
Although the use of the race card may work perhaps against some of the extreme liberals, left wingers or guilt ridden white N. Americans or Europeans, please be advised that the DR is neither a European or 'white' country. So gentlemen please put away that card for it will be of no use to you here. Or if you do want to use it, please use it everywhere else too (Bahamas, Turks & Caicos, Guadaloupe, etc.) no double standards cuz thats racist. lol
Written by: josean, 9 Oct 2009 1:40 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Written by: ElTorodeCibao, 9 Oct 2009 1:11 PM
From: United States
So not wanting unskilled workers who entered your country illegally is racist...
No!
Every sovereign country has the right and responsibility to defend and protect its borders and to decide who is welcomed in their national territory and who is not. The anger should not be direct at Haitians who are trying to survive any way they can, like any human being in similar circumstances might do (for there but for the grace of God go I) but rather by Haitians at their government and elites for allowing deplorable living conditions; and by us at our government and elites for allowing uncontrolled migration into the country so they can benefit from cheap labor at the expense of the Haitian exploited worker and the overburdened Dominican taxpayer.
But that is not what is being argued by our DT KLAN, they consider Haitians less than human, a plague, would like to spray them mosquitoes, which Sir is racist period!
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Oct 2009 1:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic
He without arguments chokes on his lack of intelligent words!
We do not have to deal with the Haitians ,we have enough problems of our own!
The Haitians can all go back to Haiti to overthrow their government but get the heck out of DR!
The DR Elites who let the Haitians in should be hung by the tallest pole!
Y tu imbécil eso no es racismo porque los problemas de los Haitianos no son nuestros ,eso se llama PATRIOTISMO o sea anteponiendo los intereses de la República DOMINICANA a todos los intereses! pero un rojo tarado infectado con las ideas afronazis de los EEUU no podrá nunca entender eso... vende patria,traidor,perro sarnoso ! aunque seguro que ni sabes bien el Español y opinas desde fuera!
Written by: Micaela, 9 Oct 2009 2:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Ok, we are racist, so what? Because it we should be punished till the end of time, and forced to received, keep and cover the needs of all Haiti surplus population. Because we are racist, Haitian could forever keep making more little Haitians they can support or provide basic needs and we have to take care of them.
And the ones to tells are Jesuist, actively working for Haitians in DR, the part of the island where the poor Haitians live best. I wonder why they don't to go where there are lot more Haitians in need and in worse conditions they would ever be in DR, Haiti, of course.
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
PEPE
lo peor del caso es que el gusano este se sigue llamando dominicano.
death by hanging if you ask me.
esa es la triste realidad de nuestro pais, nacimos con estado parasito adjunto a nuestra cintura, is like we have a dead twin and can't have surgery to remove it, and we are curse to share forever their god giving misery.
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
Why is it that some people can not comprehend that Dominicans with soooo many Hatians are fed up, harto, jarto, jaito, no se puede mas, la copa se revento, estamos repleto, no hay cama pa' tanta gente, jaito ata ei posio, el bohio se nos cae encima, estamos repleto.
The Jesuits have to be reminded that if they are not the goverment, they are in our country and they can be deported as well.
Let's get rid of all these NGO's that little by little are only creating problems for Dominicans, at the long run "What have the Jesuits done for Dominicans Lately"
From: United States
josean has never been to the dominican republic in his life and cannot comprehend anything outside of the bubble that he resides in. do not be fooled by this dominican hater and accuser of the bretheren. he likens the dominicans as the klan but he is no different because his anti dominican message is evident along with afro nazism. he is the type that says women with relaxed hair hate their heritage or natural makeup. he probably would call leonel a klansmen because his billboards depict him lighter skin. josean is nothing but a broken tape recorder that does nothing but annoy people with his constant whinning and crying with dame dame dame dame algo dame algo pleas. he has never shared in struggles for the cause and again with his close minded mentality and one sided thinking buys into the lies of the media and human rights. after i steal your candy josean and make you cry llorona you can run to jimmy carter and tell him what a rotten racist and nazi that i am. LOLOLOL
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
mira perro lo que dominicana hace por tu gente:
http://www.almomento.net/news/133/ARTICLE/43908/2009-10-09.htmlpor que no te comunicas con los jesuitas y les dejas saber como los haitianos en juana mendez viven como seres humanos gracias a la venevolencia de mi gente.
Nunca cojas el nombre de RD en tu boca perro ingrato, que por gente como tu es que haiti es hoy en dia lo que es, un decierto seco.
por cada haitiano que es discriminado otros miles disfrutan de la generosidad de mi pueblo, especialmente en mao , de donde es mi familia, cientos de haitianos se enconden en los montes muertos de hambre buscando que comer, y cada vez que voy al rio veo muchos dominicanos dandole ayuda y comida hasta los enconden cuando hay redada, y cada vez que vengo a esta pagina y leo la mie**da que postea este gusano, me dan ganas de arrastrarlo hasta mao y hacer que los haitianos en el rio le den una golpia, pa que no sea chopo, lambon.
Written by: Cacique, 9 Oct 2009 3:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Jesuits ey? Seems to me that those guys try to help the most in need wherever that might be....
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
cacique
If that was true those guys will be all in haiti right now helping them to overcome their own racial descrimination
Written by: josean, 9 Oct 2009 3:58 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Written by: Micaela, 9 Oct 2009 2:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Ok, we are racist, so what?
Now we are making progress!
Written by: josean, 9 Oct 2009 4:01 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"you can run to jimmy carter and tell him what a rotten racist and nazi that i am. LOLOLOL"
You have already told him and the world world!
Written by: Micaela, 9 Oct 2009 4:13 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Not Josean, we are making progress when we take all the haitians that want to come here, or their elite pushes to us. We are getting a better education for our kids when in a classroom where there should be 30 dominicans, there also 15 haitians, or better preventive medicine when more than 30% of the health budget is used in Haitian patients, and on and on. Or when the jobs for poorest and unskilled is taken from them. That is the way we make progress, right? because if its not that way, then were are just a bunch of racist and xonophobs.
Written by: josean, 9 Oct 2009 4:24 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Micaela,
I guess now you and your xenophobic racist compadres here at DT will propose a Final Solution as well eh!
Do you keep Mein Kampf at the night table next to your bed or do you actually put it out on the coffee table in the living room?
Written by: josean, 9 Oct 2009 4:27 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Y tu imbécil eso no es racismo porque los problemas de los Haitianos no son nuestros ,eso se llama PATRIOTISMO o sea anteponiendo los intereses de la República DOMINICANA a todos los intereses!
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel: Samuel Johnson
And you Sir are worse than a scoundrel!
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Oct 2009 4:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic
¿Que pasó imbécil...no sabes Español?
Citando otros por falta de palabras propias ,sin ideas para defender una invasión dañina para la República Dominicana en TODOS sentidos (Social,Cultural, Económico e incluso lingüístico)
Este tipejo no tienen nada que hacer en un foro Dominicano ,lo mas seguro es otro piti disfrazado de Dominicano porque de ser " Dominicano " seria un ser asqueroso y traicionero.
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Oct 2009 4:58 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Quiero que alguien me diga en que manera beneficia al pueblo Dominicano ( no a los poderosos que le sacan beneficio a los ilegales) ....la invasión haitiana.
¿Acaso van a mejorar la cultura Dominicana?
¿Acaso van a mejorar la economía Dominicana?
¿Acaso van a mejorar la sanidad Dominicana?
¿Acaso van a aportar inteligencia y progreso a Dominicana?
¿Acaso van a mejorar el medio ambiente Dominicano ?
¿Acaso van a traer mas orden a Dominicana?
Etc.
Los haitianos solo traen mas atraso en todos los sentidos y los únicos que se benefician son un puñado de ricos y a largo plazo los haitianos que demograficamente van tomando espacios Dominicanos y consumiendo recursos Dominicanos.
En fin los patanes como josean que vayan a haití si tanto quieren ayudar los Haitianos porque de nuestro lado de la isla lo único que pueden conseguir es plomo ardiente!
Written by: josean, 9 Oct 2009 5:07 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Yo se mas castellano que usted pero en este foro se expone en ingles y seria descortés a los que no entienden castellano no contribuir en ingles. ¡Además yo creo que es usted quien tiene problema con el idioma ingles o tiene vergüenzas escribir sus comentarios ultra racistas en ese idioma para que todo el mundo los pueda entender!
So stop hiding your racist comments in Spanish, David Duke would be proud of them!
Written by: danny00, 9 Oct 2009 5:43 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
HE SAID These enemies of the state would undo all that our forefathers struggled with their blood to free us from the Haitians ., THINK the dominicians are VERY FREE FROM THE HAITIANS NOW. ALSO think the dominicians are few steps above them.
why NOT lynch all of them?.....
JUST GO easy every one REMEMBER the WORLD IS wacthing U..... go easy THEY make less problems then the dominicians do in NEW YORK CITY. so go EASY...
Written by: danny00, 9 Oct 2009 5:45 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
hey! IF U DID NOT HAVE THE HAITIANS u would find some thing else to CRY ABOUT.... because its in your BLOOD to do this..... CRY BABY CRY.
From: United States, Bay Area, CA - (Dei sitio)
Danny00,
JUST GO easy every one REMEMBER the WORLD IS wacthing U..... go easy THEY make less problems then the dominicians do in NEW YORK CITY. so go EASY...
At least 85% of those dominicans you refer to are lawful residents, and pay taxes. And are not any different from previous generations of Italians or Irish immigrants that populated your backyard and you are so proud of today.
Written by: Micaela, 9 Oct 2009 7:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Not Josean, you guessed wrong, I am not proposing any Final Solution. But don't abandon me without telling if we are or not making progress when I agree with you, that we are racist or when we share our scarce resources with the Haitians in our school, hospitals, basic services, etc. That is exactly how we make progress, right? And sure the more Haitians come and share in the party, the more progress we would make, specially our future generations, who would enjoy the marvelous education provided by overcrowded schools and would feel proud, when someone like you rub in their faces that the foundation of all present and past problems is our lack of education, than don't even allow us to mechanize our industries.
Written by: dagtan, 9 Oct 2009 8:56 PM
From: United States
It is amazing how there is people on this forum attacking the religious sect that we boast our identity on. ol-school-trinitario, tu si que eres bien estupido, que si. The name that you bear on your zig is for the three most important people in our history who BTW received shelter and help from the jesuit or dominican monks that were stationed as missionaries on the island during colonialism. Our country and national identification is named after this religious group that has been there through thick and thin and now you simply accuse them of communist because they are concerned with the migratory practices in the DR. If some of you idiots read carefully, these people are not against deportation, but against the injustices being committed on the name of blinded nationalism, the worst form of nationalism anyone can show. As I have say before, if the person is staying illegally in the country, they must be deported and done quickly and clean, but it must be done with respect,
Written by: ediliog, 9 Oct 2009 8:58 PM
From: United States
Every state have the right to accept or reject foreign citizen
Written by: dagtan, 9 Oct 2009 9:03 PM
From: United States
to the human life that is being deported. Moreover, an investigation should be conducted to find out if that person has any dominican born offsprings and if that is the case, then especial consideration must be given to that person. Here in the U,S, the xenophobs and bigots have wanted to force the government to deport illegal parents of U.S. born children, but thanks GOD for the Democrats and in part Pres. Bush who was actually sensitive to the issue since some of his nephews are half mexican. These parents must be given especial consideration in order to preserve the family as a whole. Why don't some people like MIRABUENO, MICAELA, OLD-SCHOOL-TRINITARIO go and read the history of the DOMINICAN REPUBLIC by Frank Moya Pons and learn about your country history before talking and make us all look like a bunch of idiots and asses in front of the non-dominicans on this forum. Moya Pons is the authority on Dominican history, I hope some of you ignorant know who he is.
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
As long as the Haitians want to dictate what Dominicans have to do like
if We were in the 1822 Dominicans will not and can not be so stupid to
please the loosers, suckers and mediocre that want to invade us in the most
retarded way exporting diseases, poverty and vodoo.
Written by: josean, 9 Oct 2009 9:33 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
MIRABUENO, MICAELA, OLD-SCHOOL-TRINITARIO
From here on in known as the: 'Three Stooges of Ignorance, Xenophobia and Racism!"
Written by: dagtan, 9 Oct 2009 10:52 PM
From: United States
Hey, JR long time, maybe one day when I am in your area schools we should meet for some mondongo con tostones, my favorite by far. BABALU AYE, AND VODOO, we need a variation of CATHOLICISM in the island, don't you think JR? These religions are fairly lively and emotional. I have never had the privilege of taking part in a VODOO ceremony, seen some on youtube, but have been in some CUBAN santeria and they really get into with the TAMBOR. Be flexible JR, give it a try, maybe BABALU AYE will help with the SINUS that often cloud your thinking process.
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
As long as the Haitians want to dictate what Dominicans have to do like
if We were in the 1822 Dominicans will not and can not be so stupid to
please the loosers, suckers and mediocre that want to invade us in the most
retarded way exporting diseases, poverty and vodoo.
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Dagtan:
main reason why you and your people are pariahs in the western hemisphere and the lame
ducks of the international community living of handouts and begging for sympathy.
Written by: dagtan, 9 Oct 2009 11:36 PM
From: United States
so, are we meeting for lunch or not JR. Again I have not had the privilege of attending a VODOO ceremony, do you know of any around your way JR, oh i forgot you got cross burning your way to eradicate hispanics like and your family. JR, be open minded, we are both catholic by birth, is that any better than being a Cuba santero by birth or Haitian Vodoo person by birh.
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Oct 2009 11:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic
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Written by: Pepe32, 9 Oct 2009 11:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic
!Si decir la verdad es racista entonces soy culpable !
!Si defender los intereses Dominicanos es racismo entonces soy racista !
!Si decir que mi Patria no puede ni con nosotros y menos con los Haitianos me hace racista entonces lo soy!
!Si decir que Haití invadió mi Patria múltiples veces y practicaron la limpieza étnica me hace racista entonces soy culpable!
!Si decir que los problemas Haitianos son suyos y son mayormente su culpa me hace racista entonces soy culpable!
Eres un tipejo de escasos recursos mentales ,por eso no puedes discutir con ideas prefiriendo llamar racista por falta de argumentos ya que no he encontrado a nadie que me pueda decir el porque debemos hundir la República Dominicana con el atraso social ,cultural y económico Haitiano que ya suficientemente ha contribuido al atraso de mi Patria .No tienes ideas porque no hay justificación fuera del suicidio nacional para permitir que los Haitianos sigan entrando a nuestra Patria y que dejemos que nos desplacen dem
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Oct 2009 11:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"Yo se mas castellano que usted "
Presume mucho
"pero en este foro se expone en ingles" (Inglés)
¿Donde esta escrito que solo se puede escribir en Inglés en un foro Dominicano?
" y seria descortés a los que no entienden castellano no contribuir en ingles. "
Dan lastima aquellos "Dominicanos" que no saben Castellano.
"¡Además yo creo que es usted quien tiene problema con el idioma ingles o tiene vergüenzas " (vergüenza no vergüenzas )
No tengo problema alguno con el Inglés ,ademas domino el Francés y el Italiano pero mi mensaje no es para traidores vendepatrias como tu y menos aun para los Haitianos que entran a este foro.
"escribir sus comentarios ultra racistas en ese idioma para que todo el mundo los pueda entender!"
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Oct 2009 11:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Eres un tipejo de escasos recursos mentales ,por eso no puedes discutir con ideas prefiriendo llamar racista por falta de argumentos ya que no he encontrado a nadie que me pueda decir el porque debemos hundir la República Dominicana con el atraso social ,cultural y económico Haitiano que ya suficientemente ha contribuido al atraso de mi Patria .No tienes ideas porque no hay justificación fuera del suicidio nacional para permitir que los Haitianos sigan entrando a nuestra Patria y que dejemos que nos desplacen demograficamente .
¿Cuales son las cosas positivas que aportan los Haitianos a mi Patria?
Obviamente eres muy poca cosa para debatir con ideas porque aparte de tu izquierdismo rancio y tu anti-Cristianismo nefasto no tienes nada que aportar y solo repites como oveja las "ideas" de tu ideología insensata .
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Oct 2009 11:58 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dominican Republic was named after the DOMINICAN ORDER not the Jesuits!!
! Ignorante !
Written by: Pepe32, 10 Oct 2009 12:01 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Thanks to free will Dagtan you can worship the Demon gods of Vudún..
Written by: Pepe32, 10 Oct 2009 12:06 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Danny when the Haitians stop coming to DR then we can ignore them because we have been cursed with the worst of all possible neighbors and not withstanding their tremendous backwards influence we have been able to slowly progress.
Let the French ,the US,The Canadians and the Jesuits invest their sizable budgets on fixing the Haitian problem in Haiti and leave us the F.. alone!
Written by: dagtan, 10 Oct 2009 12:09 AM
From: United States
pepe32, did you read my posting completely, if not please go back and read it. Also, in the future keep this are clean and refrain from offending others with your personal short comings. If josean feels that he speak castellano, then by all means, it is not your business, simply state your point. i mentioned both the jesuit and dominican monks, if you feel more comfortable calling it order, then by all means. At the end of the day all orders were made up by monks in monasteries, maybe you have not done much reading on the subject. pepe32, not all monks or order look like the ones that you have seen on tv. Please pick up, the history of the dominican republic, by Frank moya Pons, read it and then i will recommend another. i believe that I can save you by having you read three specifics books. So get going, and BTW, the book is also available in spanish. i do not know, i might have to put this freaking iphone down or these idiots will drive me crazy with their low level intel
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Dagtan:
love and enjoy when Haitians like you feel so arrogant and full of s..t, for instance
"pepe if you read my comments meant to say that we Haitians are superior", what
the heck with you people full of nothing.
Agree with a French expert that this week in DR said that Haitians lack a identity
and this is why Haiti is a pariah state, haitians want to promote their low self perso
nality spreading lies and victim status to the world.
Vodoo, diseases and misery will be your people trail to follow as long as you don't
want to grow up and acknowledge that your guys are your own worst enemies.
Written by: dagtan, 10 Oct 2009 11:37 AM
From: United States
JR, stop hating, I am able to express my concern for the treatment of haitians in the DR because at this point in my life people have to listen to what I say due to my credentials. That is the reason why I will love to meet you one and be able to see that you are simply an uneducated dominican who makes it difficult for the educated ones to move our country to a more progressive and inclusive nation. One day JR, the educated dominicans here in the U.S. will simply get fed up of having all those foons rule our country and keep in the colonial mentality. The future of the DR is on how easy it can diversified its economy and become a partner to the neighbor next door. Once this happen, there will be comprehensive migration from west to east and east to west. Cuba is soon coming on line, and our baseball players will be put in position that they have never been before, our tourist economy will see some difficult times, so it s now that diversification needs to happen. but with,
Written by: dagtan, 10 Oct 2009 11:43 AM
From: United States
uneducated foons like you it will be even harder. i am pretty sure that I will end up moving back to DR since there is plenty of money to be made when the country realizes that it needs to rethink and redevelop their educational system. As a matter of fact i have already done some independent work for an american company who is putting together tech integration pkgs for third countries who are looking to bring their education system to the level of developing countries. If you want to find some information about such projects, PR is currently revamping their entire system, by integrating tech and differentiating their instructional methods. I travel to PR every other weekend to do some work for this company, so JR, yes I am eventually going back, and trust that I will push my agenda forward as well. that is the only difference between us, that you'll bitch for ever, while I am an AGENT OF CHANGE, call me what you want, i can feel your anger right now. Finally, I'll pay for lunch
Written by: josean, 10 Oct 2009 2:48 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Pepe32,
In Spanish (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language ) or English, with spelling corrections, the appropriate accents, your "superior" intellect and dominance of the "correct" ideology and dedication to religion you are still a xenophobic, racist with extraordinary fear and paranoia.
If Haitians are so inferior then why do you fear them so much?
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Josean:
We don't fear Haitians at all since We already gave you an example who's your daddy;
first We kicked you out in 1844 and then Trujillo, once again We are not xenophobic but
nationalist, to give an example of Haitians feeling repulsive about their nationality look at
you josean little prick you being trying to blend in like a Dominican when you are a Haitian.
Written by: josean, 10 Oct 2009 3:12 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"little prick"
Ruby,
I have many problems but according to my novia that is not one of them!
Written by: antonioj, 10 Oct 2009 6:18 PM
From: Canada, home safe
What did the Jesuit said that was wrong and anti-dominican ?? I will wait...
Written by: josean, 10 Oct 2009 6:23 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"Josean, pepe32 is a big jerk."
Now antonioj don't you think that might be a tidbit of and understatement LOL!
Written by: dagtan, 10 Oct 2009 7:29 PM
From: United States
JR, if you support what Trujillo did, then you are a piece of sh*t. I can not believe that you and MICAELA WILL GO SO LOW as to praise Trujillo's genocide of Haitians, you both are such scum of the earth. BTW little piece of sh*t, did you know that many Dominicans lost their lives to the hands of that maniac, including half of the Grullon family in Santiago, who happened to be my great uncles and great grand father. you are a piece of SCUM that has no business on this forum, you should be banned for supporting genocide and the killings of many innocent Dominicans who only wanted to save the country from that monster. Finally, JR, now you have my last name, why don't seek me out, maybe you deserve what Trujillo did my great uncles and great grand father for speaking out against injustices.
Written by: antonioj, 10 Oct 2009 7:40 PM
From: Canada, home safe
JRRubirosa, I have been reading you for a while, your logic is if you sympathize or not blatantly anti Haitian then you are NOT a Dominican ie Josean, Lautaro, Tupa, Baldoria ect..the list is too long. I do NOT agree your logic does not make sense.
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Dagtan:
The logic goes back to you bastard pretending to be Dominican too like your creole, dirt cookies eaters buddies; if you feel sad for what Trujillo did to your people what about the hundred of thousands of Dominicans that were killed during the genocide that your vodoo tribe of monkeys
commit against innocent Dominicans, I strongly believe in a eye for an eye.
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Dagtan:
Stop pretendig being Dominican and take a hike with your lack of Haitian identity, you are not from Santiago you are just full of cr.p like your own frustrated Dessalines descendants.
Written by: Micaela, 10 Oct 2009 10:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic
It is amazing how ignorant I am. I didn't know that Las Casas and Montesinos were Jesuits. In fact I believed that the Company of Jesus, founded in 1537, recognized in 1540, didn't run to our island as first thing and when they did came this side, went to South America -Brazil and Paraguay- And it's not us accusing them of communist, they have been highly controversial in the Catholic theological community and were even condemned by John Paul on several fundamental aspects. No, they are not against deportation, they only operates resting centers that offer shelter and food to the Haitians, so they recover they strengths to continue their travel; take care that any Haitian returning to Haiti for a visit, can return without being molested, are always demanding from our government documentation for them and Dominican nationality for their children. If they are so concern by injustices they why not move they operation to the other side of the border.
Written by: Micaela, 10 Oct 2009 10:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"Haitians family with a child born in DR, should be given special consideration" will only include absolutely every family. Haitian children have no documents, so even the ones that came holding their parent's hand, were born here, until the contrary is proved. They said it as soon as they speak clear enough Spanish. And then Jesuits, will swear that all the children were born here and procure them false documents. By the way, dagtan why don't you come to live here now and learn about the present of my country, see it dissolving in front of your own eyes, see our streets taken by Haitians and their wares, talk to them and see how they feel here, compare to Haiti, and finally learn if we are or not racist and xenophobes. Yes, when you see how many Haitians children are in our school, sharing our meager resources, you would understand what happen to the quality of our education and of course be justified in calling us uneducated fools, but them you would be able
Written by: Micaela, 10 Oct 2009 10:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Josean, stop running from explaining how to share our scarce resources with the Haitians in our school, hospitals, basic services, etc. make us progress. How overcrowded classroom benefit our children and improve their chances to get a decent education and the country for generations of educated people that enable mechanization? Or maybe the idea is exactly to keep the present situation, so at the end the whole island became a big Haiti without noticeable separation between us?
Written by: Micaela, 10 Oct 2009 10:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dagtan for your level of education you seem to have problems understanding what you read. I never praised the genocide. Anyway, you should know that Trujillo's genocide of Haitians kill a lot less Haitians than Papa Doc, who seems, at least to Haitians, more of a maniac than Trujillo. Sorry for your family, but there are a lot more Haitian families that lost people to Papa Doc.
Written by: dagtan, 10 Oct 2009 10:38 PM
From: United States
Micaela, I understand about pap doc, but that is not a justification for anyone to come here and praise Trujillo or make it any easier for any us to say that if the haitians do it to the haitians, then it is that not bad if the dominicans doe it to the haitian after all. This topic really touches a nerve and I really take very personal, because it present the darkest days for many families be it dominican or haitian. Every where we go and everything we do is tied to this monster. He screwed up our culture and left us with a mark to hate ourselves the darker we get and the kinkiest the hair gets. He also, imported a huge number of Canarians to purify our race and increase our intellectual abilities. how can any of you praise a man that though of us as uncivilized, unteachable and ungrateful assholes. I was in Santiago for 20 days this past july and what I saw was heartbreaking, a very poor country where only a few control the wealth and many haitian children begging in the,
Written by: dagtan, 10 Oct 2009 10:46 PM
From: United States
streets. The most shocking part of this whole experience was the part when these kids will launch at your car not caring for their lives. i will never forget this little girl that hung from our SUV side mirror and did not wanted to let us go. It was clear that she was hungry and wanted some help, in the end I had to give her something so i can just go. The worst part is that my uncle who was driving told me not to give her anything, because then they will get used to people giving them money. Even my family has been brain washed, it is a very sad story. I also was able to meet with professors and students at the beautiful madre y maestra campus, nice college, should be replicated all over the island and maybe globalization and the opening of cuba wont take us by surprise. You guys should really connect with BALDORIA who is journalist and resides in the DR, he is good people. and have many things to share that are useful in resolving this issue.
Written by: josean, 10 Oct 2009 11:40 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
'Josean, stop running from explaining how to share our scarce resources with the Haitians in our school, hospitals, basic services, etc. make us progress.'
micaela,
Running from you is like running from mental quadriplegic!
I rarely find anything worth in quoting Balaguer aka Trujillo Light, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
He once said that DR is rich country that is administered poorly. Like the money wasted on the Faro the Colon, the money wasted on the METRO just to name TWO OF THE MORE OBVIOUS AND EGREGIOUS EXAMPLES.
However, as cheap as the Dominican elites are with their own Dominican blood countrymen do you really believe that they would allow the “hordes” of Haitians come and use our resources, (which I don’t believe because they don’t provide them to Dominican nationals, but for the sake of your xenophobic racist argument we will assume that is the case) if they were not getting and exorbitant rate of return in Haitian cheap labor!
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Dagtan:
You are Haitian so stop preaching sh.t about Trujillo, you have an identity issue.
Written by: josean, 11 Oct 2009 6:54 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"Pepe makes some valid points, and the quotation below agrees with him. French political scientist "
I am sure if you look hard enough Hitler might have made some good points, too but his overall polices were crimes against hummanity!
The French intelligentsia, left or right, are the least credible people to give any opinion on solving Haiti’s problems since they are the Historical rapist of the country and abandon it having robbed it into disaster!
Written by: dagtan, 11 Oct 2009 9:58 AM
From: United States
Atabey, you are right in some areas, however, if you read carefully you will see that dealing with the Haitian issue has been badly damaging to the DR status in the international community. Once again, the DR needs to develop a comprehensive migratory system to deal with illegal immigration as other countries do. Currently there is no such thing and Mr. Fernandez knows this as well. However, Mr. Fernandez knows that by keeping the Haitian problem front and center, the people are not going to question the government's efficiency or lack there of. Finally, I agree with the French Prof. in his argument that the country to get involved here is the U.S. due to proximity and sphere of influence. The U.S. should bring Haiti under its control just as it in the DR during 16 and 65, to help rid the country of corruption. Again, this might be a necessary evil, I do not approve occupation, but some time it is a necessary evil. At least it worked for the DR by developing infrastructure.
Written by: Micaela, 11 Oct 2009 10:00 AM
From: Dominican Republic
It may be a language barrier. Just show me the praise to Trujillo, and you don't have to tell me that the topic really touches a nerve, that's obvious. So you saw a very poor country and still you don't see how of the massive presence of Haitians worsen the conditions and compound all problems. You meet with professors and students at the pucmm, but didn't bother to talk to Haitians in the street so they could tell you how good their lives are here, with jobs, everyday food, school for their children, running water, transportation, working hospitals, safety from their own, which amount to the reasons why they come, stay and refuse to go back. I am really sorry you didn't, because I would have been very pleased if you talked to one of them of Dominican racisms, discrimination and xenophobic and they would have beaten the hell out of you for those idiotic notions.
Written by: Micaela, 11 Oct 2009 10:16 AM
From: Dominican Republic
What is your point Josean? Does anybody ignore that Dominican elites are getting an exorbitant rate of return with cheap labor? What is the benefit for the poorest Dominicans losing their jobs, getting lower wages, and all the rest? I didn't asked for the benefits for the elite, but for the ones sharing the meager resources with poorest than themselves. Or maybe you know for sure that the elite send their children to public schools and share the crammed classrooms with Haitians, and get the lower possible quality of education. Or maybe they go to public hospitals and see Haitian women in the beds with their newborns, while Dominican have to wait for one?
So please answer to this poor mental quadriplegic question? How the poorest Dominicans, -not the elite- progress by sharing our scarce resources with the Haitians in our school, hospitals, basic services, etc. Please, please, please.
Written by: Micaela, 11 Oct 2009 10:18 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Wait a minute; maybe the answer is right there. As we wasted money on the Colon Faro, the METRO, etc. we should be punished forever keeping all the Haitians that want to come here and forcing the poor people to share everything with them, effectively punishing them twice: first denying them those wasted resources and second, making their life even worse, forcing them to share whatever was left with hungry masses of Haitians?
If that's not the answer, I give up, just please explain. -Remember, no the benefit for the elite, that I already know- the benefit for the poorest and their families, the ones carrying the burden.
Written by: josean, 11 Oct 2009 10:19 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Your eminence,
Who steals more from the Dominican masses, the Haitian undocumented worker or the corrupt government officials and the Dominican elites?
Written by: Micaela, 11 Oct 2009 10:27 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Bravo Josean! You did know that the French are the Historical rapist of the Haiti and abandoned it having robbed it into disaster! Now tell me why if we never danced in that party we have to pay for it. Why do we have to have here two million Haitians, instead of France, carry the burden alone and keep our mouth shut? Do you know that France, Canada and USA -some of the party goers- have enough resources and land to take all Haitians and save them from Dominicans torturers?
Written by: Micaela, 11 Oct 2009 10:28 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Dagtan you are absolutely right, we need to develop a comprehensive migratory system to deal with illegal immigration, but the one we should copy is the Cuban. Return them to Haiti as soon as they get to Cuba. Cubans help Haitians where they need it more, in Haiti, but tolerate not immigrants in their soil.
Written by: antonioj, 11 Oct 2009 10:32 AM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: Micaela, 11 Oct 2009 10:28 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Dagtan you are absolutely right, we need to develop a comprehensive migratory system to deal with illegal immigration, but the one we should copy is the Cuban. Return them to Haiti as soon as they get to Cuba. Cubans help Haitians where they need it more, in Haiti, but tolerate not immigrants in their soil.
"
Care to elaborate on the Castro regime policy and your sources I am very familiar with cuba because of family that still lives there please educate me. If you are refering to pre-batista granted the influx of immigrant toward cuba was all over the carribean then.
Written by: josean, 11 Oct 2009 10:32 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Micaela,
Why doesn't Spain take in the Dominican undocumented workers, and the Mexican undocumented workers, since they are our historical rapist and the US give back all its land to the Native Americans they stole from them and pay the African slaves for all the slave labor used to build the US?
Written by: antonioj, 11 Oct 2009 10:42 AM
From: Canada, home safe
Written by: dagtan, 11 Oct 2009 10:43 AM
From: United States
Micaela, in rare but true way you are finally coming around to realizing that xenophobic attitudes will not solve the problem. Yes, I am sorry I did not stopped in the parque duarte and spoke to some the haitians there shining shoes, maybe next time. You realize that as long as there is no comprehensive migratory policy this will continue, I have been saying for the longest here. It is clear that they are in the country illegal, no one questions that. The next logical step is deport illegals, but it must be done in an organized manner, which has not happened in the DR case. Also, Micaela, who do think is in the way blocking such comprehensive system that will indeed deport hatians without the backlash of the current system? Micaela, listen to Josean, look further, the 500 pound gorilla in room is the presidential palace and in the corporations. As long as both the government and the heavy industry need Haitians, the problem will not go away. Ask for a comprehensive system,
Written by: dagtan, 11 Oct 2009 10:48 AM
From: United States
to be created ASAP, I do not live in the DR, so I can do little from the outside, but you and OLD-SCHOLL-TRINITARIO live there and are very passionate about getting rid of the Haitians. Organize and have your friends and families go to the streets and demand a comprehensive migratory system, it could be based on the cuban one if you wish. Force e government to do, I want to see LIE - ONEL face the heavy industry of the DR. Because as the Haitians go, so goes a big chunk of their bottom line and so goes the scape goat child for the government. DO NOT GIVE IN PUSHING THE GOVERNMENT FOR A COMPREHENSIVE SYSTEM NOW, NOW, MICAELA, GO TO THE STREETS AND DO NOT STOP, UNTIL THEY DO IT.
Written by: antonioj, 11 Oct 2009 10:51 AM
From: Canada, home safe
"demand a comprehensive migratory system, it could be based on the cuban one if you wis"h.
Dagtan are you familiar with the policy please provide that infromation for the benefits of the reader
Written by: Micaela, 11 Oct 2009 11:11 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Josean - "Who steals more from the Dominican masses, the Haitian undocumented worker or the corrupt government officials and the Dominican elites?"
That is your answer to this poor mental quadriplegic question? That is how the poorest Dominicans, -not the elite- progress by sharing our scarce resources with the Haitians in our school, hospitals, basic services, etc?
No surprises there. I suspected that your answer would be as clear and enlightening.
Written by: Micaela, 11 Oct 2009 11:12 AM
From: Dominican Republic
dagtan Do you know how easy is for 40,000 Haitians cross the border every year? Do you have any idea of how much it cost to deport them in any manner, organized or disorganized? I have never ignore the gorillas in our and Haiti presidential palaces and corporations, nor I ignore that both government and industry benefit from cheap labor. I only talk about the punished ones. The poorest Dominicans who are absolutely ignored by you, Dominicans, Haitians and everybody else. I call attention toward what the massive Haitians presence do to them, their families and their future, to their chances of a decent education, health care, jobs, basic service, etc. Nobody remember or sympathize with our people plight, they have enough with the poor Haitians victims. Nobody cares that Haitians are doing nothing to change the situation in their country and that at the end the situation in the whole island may become the present Haiti, once again for the benefit of Dominican masses
Written by: josean, 11 Oct 2009 11:14 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Just because the answer does not conform to your paranoid, xenophobic and racist mindset does mean it is not valid to pose it your eminence!
Written by: josean, 11 Oct 2009 11:19 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"Nobody remember or sympathize with our people plight, they have enough with the poor Haitians victims. Nobody cares that Haitians are doing nothing to change the situation in their country and that at the end the situation in the whole island may become the present Haiti, once again for the benefit of Dominican masses"
That NOBODY does not include most of the rational Dominicans and Haitians that have posted hear who have clearly stated it is a Bilateral problem of both national governments and both national elites, a plague on both there houses if you will.
The problem is I will not allow the poor Haitians or Dominicans to be scapegoat for polices they have no hand in creating and allowing to continue.
Written by: Micaela, 11 Oct 2009 11:37 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Antonio "Haiti has a strong presence in Cuba, dating back to the late 1790's. There are reportedly over 300,000 recent arrivals in Cuba" or "HOY quedan pocos haitianos residiendo en Cuba, pero sus descendientes –de varias generaciones- NO han dejado aletargadas sus costumbres, sus ritos religiosos, sus bailes y cantos, su forma de cocinar, …"
Yes there are Haitians in Cuba, exactly like the Cocolos in DR, both were cane field workers. But you don't see droves of Cocolos immigrating today to DR, as you don't see Haitians emigrating to Cuba. In the first case, Cocolos are not interested, in the second case, Haitians are not allowed to.
Check not the past, but the present Cuban policy toward Haitians. If they reach their coast, they are rescued, feed, checked for heath issue and after returned to their country, not exceptions. Cuba does not take economic refugees and that is how they catalog each and every Haitian today. But don't believe me, do your own research.
Written by: Micaela, 11 Oct 2009 11:41 AM
From: Dominican Republic
What answer? "Who steals more from the Dominican masses, the Haitian undocumented worker or the corrupt government officials and the Dominican elites? That truly explains how the Haitians massive presence benefits the poorest Dominicans?
Ok, man, whatever you said, if you have nothing else to say. What a surprise!!!
Written by: Micaela, 11 Oct 2009 11:47 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Yes, is a Bilateral problem of both national governments and both national elites, a plague on both there houses. So? Who are the ones carrying the burden? Who? The Haitians? Are Dominicans by the millions sharing Haitians resources and making everything worse for them and their future? Is the education in Haiti suffering because is overcrowded by Dominican children, or maybe their health system taking care of our sick and our delivering women?
Written by: dagtan, 11 Oct 2009 11:54 AM
From: United States
Micaela does knows a little about Cuban-Haitian relationship through the sugar cane fields. Antonij, the history goes back to the 1500's actually, when the island were being used as mini factories. The Spanish used Cuba and Hispaniola as sugar cane producer for its rich soil, while they used PR as vacation spot. During the Spanish-American ward in 1898 and the liberation of Cuba, Cuban began the massive importation of Haitians and poor Dominicans to work their sugar cane fields, since they only wanted natives to work the tobacco fields in order to protect seeds and techniques. Dominicans tended to go back and forth, while Haitians tended to stay and the became part of the Cuban landscape, culturally, economically and socially. Today there is a large number of third generation Haitians in Cuba that have the rights as native cubans to hold office and government jobs. The were integrated into the society and still today in charge of most of the sugar activities on the island,
Written by: dagtan, 11 Oct 2009 11:59 AM
From: United States
however, with the collapse of the Soviet Union, the need for sugar declined and the need for migrants workers disappeared. So Cuban policy, which is supported by the large Haitian decent population repatriate Haitians who lands on their beaches rather quickly and cleanly. These migrants are taken into custody, given a shower, a set of cloths, a medical check and a meal and finally put on a plan and back to Haiti. Now this is a toll for the DR, but if they really wanted to do it, they will. The border could be controlled, since it is smaller than the Arizona-mexico border. But there are people in DR that do not want this to happen.
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Micaela:
Feel sorry for your debating with Dagtan and Josean since they both haitians and regardless how
politically correct you might want to be they will never give up because They want to take away our land with their victim agenda, preaching education, History, data, misinformation, humanism, human rights, etc.
Dominicans just want to be left alone with this annoying issue, Haitians have an issue in their own country since their elites and goverment don't care about their status but on the other hand
they want us to bend over and take their shortcomings on us.
Dominicans have not problem with Haitians being black but haitians being haitians and hating us and lying to the international community, if They want to call us racist, xenophohic, etc so beat
it and who cares as long as We fight to keep our culture and identity, We don't want to be related
to mediocre people that still live in the past.
"Dios, patria y libertad"
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Micaela:
Feel sorry for your debating with Dagtan and Josean since they both haitians and regardless how
politically correct you might want to be they will never give up because They want to take away our land with their victim agenda, preaching education, History, data, misinformation, humanism, human rights, etc.
Dominicans just want to be left alone with this annoying issue, Haitians have an issue in their own country since their elites and goverment don't care about their status but on the other hand
they want us to bend over and take their shortcomings on us.
Dominicans have not problems with Haitians being black but haitians being haitians and hating us and lying to the international community, if They want to call us racist, xenophohic, etc so beat
it and who cares as long as We fight to keep our culture and identity, We don't want to be related
to mediocre people that still live in the past.
"Dios, patria y libertad"
Written by: Micaela, 11 Oct 2009 12:15 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Thank you Dagtan, but it has nothing to do with the collapse of the Soviet Union, Cubans have been working their own sugar fields since Fidel took over, therefore, no need for Haitians braceros for a long time.
Anyway, back to the beginning, we need to copy Cuban comprehensive migratory system immigration policy toward Haitians and return them immediately they reach the border, no exceptions. Let's help them where they need it more, in Haiti.
Written by: Micaela, 11 Oct 2009 12:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic
JRRubirosa, what are we suppose to do? Leave Haitians that pretend to be Dominican free court to lie, misinform and mislead the unawares? I know their agenda and their poor, balck victims games, but they can be better or stronger than us, therefore, if they never give up, neither should we.
Written by: antonioj, 11 Oct 2009 12:31 PM
From: Canada, home safe
micaela I do not beleive you period. You are confusing the issue of immigration with standard approach from the west and a communist country. In 1980 Cuba receive the highest number of immigrants from haiti. Haitian does not immigrate because of the economic outlook. Many cubans in Haiti have opted to stay in Haiti go figure.
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Micaela:
Agree with you 100% but my point is that these loosers need to be meet with tough solutions like they always call me racist, xenophic, etc, so beat it I am KKK 100%, pro-Dominican, Pro-Trujillo,
ect, who cares.
What I will never, ever do is to bend over and let these c.ck Sucke.s to humiliate my country, my culture, my legacy, my bloodline, my love for Duarte, etc. They are the ones (HAITIANS) full of hate
envy, low classs since We never invade their dump part of the island and never will.
Once again in the name of the trinitarios,
"Dios, patria y libertad"
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Antonioj:
Cubans opting to stay in Haiti ?????
Betweent Cuba and Haiti there is a big, huge gap of living conditions dear friend.
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Antonioj:
Cubans opting to stay in Haiti ?????
Betweent Cuba and Haiti there is a big, huge gap of living conditions dear friend.
Written by: Micaela, 11 Oct 2009 2:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Antonio, do not beleive me, or Dagtan, or anybody, neither investigate. That doesn't change the facts. In 1980 Haitians were not imigrating in hight numbers, even to DR, because their situation was not that terrible. Right you are, Haitian does not immigrate because of the economic outlook, there is none, they do it to prevent starvation; their own.
It is very easy to figure. Cubans opt to stay wherever, but Cuba, so they can go from there someplace else, like from Haiti to DR and from here to USA or Europe, and that goes from Cuban athletes to professionals in all areas, especially medicine.
Written by: dagtan, 11 Oct 2009 7:22 PM
From: United States
MICAELA, the problem with your argument is that you are all over the place and never want to give anyone credit for their rebuttal or point they are making. The need for migrant workers in Cuba ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union, hence the stoppage of haitians continued immigration to the island. I have plenty of knowledge about this and can provide you with primary sources as you wish. You make lots of good points, but with little backing or flexibility. Your passion is appreciated, but I am sure that if you go school in the DR and write papers for your college classes, they will tell you the same thing. You better put some more meat into your argument and that meat is facts and concrete eloquence on your goals. I feel that you are hiding you personal agenda behind the ply of the poor and not going for the real problem. Micaela, the poor can not and will never be able to solve anything in the DR, You want to go after the ones benefiting from the problem.
Written by: antonioj, 11 Oct 2009 7:54 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: dagtan, 11 Oct 2009 7:22 PM
From: United States
MICAELA, the problem with your argument is that you are all over the place and never want to give anyone credit for their rebuttal or point they are making. The need for migrant workers in Cuba ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union,
"
Rest my case thanks dagtan, Micaela does make alot of very good point and very passionately I must add.
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Dagtan:
Haitian in camouflage pretending to be from Santiago !
What you know about Santiago is base in BS, my dear friend your IP is being watched from DR !
ALOHA !
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Dagtan:
Haitian in camouflage pretending to be from Santiago !
What you know about Santiago is base in BS, my dear friend your IP is being watched from DR !
ALOHA !
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Antonioj:
At least I'll give you some credit because you honest 100% with your nationality and believe or
not that means a lot for me to respect you as a human being eventhough I don't like Haitians
for trying to screw up Dominican Repubic.
Written by: Pepe32, 11 Oct 2009 9:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic
No one in this forum or in any can give me any reason (from the DOMINICAN perspective) why we should continue to tolerate this¨" peaceful" invasion and since no arguments are available they resort to discrediting the messenger because the message is totally valid and they know that.
They also don't understand that the current undercurrents and the global economic climate make for a tinderbox that can be lit with one small spark spelling a disaster for both nations.
Written by: Pepe32, 11 Oct 2009 9:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I must say although Dagtan is lost in the woods at least he is trying to make an argument unlike Josean who for lack of argument sound a bit like chicken little although instead of the sky is falling he calls EVERYONE who does not agree with the overwhelming mass of Haitians in DR a racist ,a fascist or a NAZI .
He is so brain dead that although nobody here has called for violence against Haitians and I believe most would condemn it ,we are all followers of Trujillo even those of us who lost relatives to the dictatorship!!
To call someone a NAZI probably means he does not know the meaning of the word (National Socialist) and interestingly enough he probably has more in common with the Nazi´s than those he attacks and probably hates Jewish people and Israel just as much as Hitler did!
Written by: Pepe32, 11 Oct 2009 9:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic
1. Haitian ILLEGAL immigration is unsustainable for the Dominican Republic and only impoverishes and brings more backwardness to the country ,only benefiting a small group of elite rich people.
2.Haitians are rejected in many countries including other "black" Caribbean so I imagine everyone is racist against Haitians.
3. Haitians are exploited by both the Haitian and Dominican elites and they benefit from this "slave labour" yet for the Dominican population as a whole Haitian immigration is a net loss consuming scarce resources and overburdening the institutions.
4.Dominican Republic is portrayed as evil by the Haitians and their collaborators (traidores) yet they are so mistreated that if they are deported to Haiti they immediately plan their next trip over the border,this would tend to prove that the Haitians mistreat their own far more than any Dominican would hence the Haitians are their won worst enemy!
Written by: Pepe32, 11 Oct 2009 9:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic
5.We have no reason to trust Haitians as a people and if the historical reasons weren't enough reading the comments of those on the internet forums only prove that they should not be trusted.
Any other conclusion con only be arrived at by pure emotion because if logic prevailed we would not let 99.9% of the Haitians in the country.
6. No nation should accept a potentially hostile immigration which can eventually surpass it demographically in a short period of time because if allowed to grow too far then it is true that only bloodshed can turn back the tide and this would cause great suffering for all.
Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum ! (If you want peace ,prepare for war)
In other words weakness causes more war and bloodshed than strength and the current situation cannot be tolerated much longer therefore it is better to find a peaceful solution before it gets out of hand!
Written by: Micaela, 11 Oct 2009 9:41 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Since the beginning Fidel forced, I mean, organized the Cubans to patriotically work the sugar fields, hence the need for Haitians ceased with him, so please provide your primary sources, which you have not so far, therefore I don't understand how is only me the one affected by little backing or flexibility. You really don't need the information, but I am a Honor Graduated, therefore my papers did have facts and concrete eloquence, specially in my mother language. I may or may not hide a personal agenda behind the ply of the poor, but the reality is that there is a ply, poorest Dominican are greatly hurt at all levels by the massive illegal Haitian presence, their resources, contrary to the Haitians employers, are not increasing or their quality of life improving, but the contrary. Do we have the power to go after the real culprits, the Haitian elite and government? I don't think so and I suppose you would agree that the roots of the Haitian proble
Written by: Micaela, 11 Oct 2009 9:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Don't worry Pepe32. I think that Josean will soon explain to us how the massive, illegal Haitian presence benefit the poorest Dominicans. How by sharing with them their meager resources, everything improves, therefore the more that come, the better the poorest dominican would be. He already told us how the Haitians benefit their employers and the government, but is taking his sweet time for the rest, so lest wait siting, just in case.
I will be glad to finally know how share their school, hospitals, transportation, basic services, jobs and even the corners to beg, is good for our poorest. And overall how having 45 students in a classroom that before had 30 improves the quality of education, that will allow RD to finally mechanize our industries.
Written by: Pepe32, 11 Oct 2009 10:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Bottom line Micaela ,they don't give a flying F... about DR and I can understand it coming from Haitians and even Frenchmen ,Canadians and US because they all see in the DR a way to unload themselves of this intractable disaster called Haiti and they don't mind if in 50 years the whole island is barren and disease is rampant because its not their country ,I don't want to hurt a single Haitian ,the ones that should be lined up and shot are the elites who allow this like Judas for a couple of coins and the traitors that support this for their own illogical and sick reasons!
Written by: Pepe32, 11 Oct 2009 10:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Josean will call us Hitler and Trujillo and say we are racists then stick his head back up his arse because he has no real arguments .
Written by: Micaela, 11 Oct 2009 10:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic
You are right. When Dagtan asked me go after the real responsible of the situation, not the poor haitians I told him that we don't have the power to go after the Haitian elite and government and if he dares to deny that those are the real responsible and that the roots of the Haitian problem are in Haiti, the same as the solutions.
Only Haitians can stand and fight that elite, but instead they prefer to run out of the country and survive. So the only solution left, and the only hope for DR, is an international Trust (fideicomiso) administrating Haiti for the next 50 years. When it can be called a country again, they can return the reins to Haitians, and even if they turn it back, at least the whole world, especially DR would had have a respite. Would it even happen?
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
@Miceala
please forgive me for interjecting in your psuedo intellectual mastubation . It's very easy to pick on the weak than to fight the power. Last I check it's not the Haitian elite that keeps hiring those ilegal Haitians in your country.
I believe Mr Dartang as give you the solution to your imigration problem.If you are not willing to stand up to your business interest and your government on these issues as stated by Biggy Small " STOP YOUR BLOOD CLOTH CRYING". But sense you claim to be educated I'm sure you already know in politic business interest always supercede the interest of the masses.
Written by: Micaela, 12 Oct 2009 8:22 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Patdiamon is easy to pick on the weak that's exactly what happens in Haiti, if last time you checked didn't see the Haitians situation in Haiti, lack of food, water, jobs, health care, shelters, transportation, electricity, fuel to cook, human dignity, safety, then you are right, is not their elite starving them and pushing them here. If the conditions in Haiti were different, no Dominican would hire a single Haitian, because they would rather stay home, than come here to be 'mistreated" But as it happen, is here where they can get jobs, food, health care, shelter, transportation, basic service and some sort, as incrediable as it sound, of dignity.
By the way, this is my country and I can " BLOOD CLOTH CRYING" all I want, and not Haitian can tell me what to do.
Written by: dagtan, 12 Oct 2009 9:20 AM
From: United States
Oh, my GOD, what is going here! I see arguments collapsing all over the place on this forum. First of all, MICAELA, the cuban patriotic faming agenda was founded CHE GUEVARA, who i love dearly for standing for the abused and poor. That was initiated during the early days of revolution as a response to the U.S. rejection of Fidel's government. After those first years as education, hospital and industries were nationalized, the cuban government began what they call, talent separation methods. I hope you read about, this method consisted on testing children during their elementary school to access their strength and weakness. After this formative testing is completed children will be deemed fit to be placed in mathematics, medicine, arts, sports, earth sciences, manual labor, law enforcement tracks and so on. Therefore, those who are put in vocational schools were often diverted to work in tobacco field which has been pride for cuba, while sugar is money crap, cont
Written by: dagtan, 12 Oct 2009 9:26 AM
From: United States
the sugar was left to HAITIANS and DOMINICANS share crappers to cut. The system still in place today MICAELA, that is the reason why Cuba is able to produce skilled people as such a high rate. In the U.S. and many other country it will look amoral and unethical to implement such system, hence our lack of production in high skilled people. Today, the sugar is being cut by retirees and other manual labor workers who saw their factories closing due to the collapse of the soviet union and the U.S. taking advantage of it by tightening the EMBARGO at the same time. Cubans make on average $20 U.S. a month, so this money is far less than what was paid to imported share croppers from Haiti and the DR. Finally, MICAELA, the reason why the poor in DR have no risen and say enough is enough is because of people like you, who are always talking and never putting anything into action. They do not take seriously after a while micaela, stop talking an act, you are over there, organize your
Written by: dagtan, 12 Oct 2009 9:33 AM
From: United States
barrio people into ACTION GROUPS. If it is true that are an honor student then you'll know what is an ACTION GROUP. STOP TALKING AND GET IN ACTION MICAELA, IF YOU DO, YOU WILL FIND THE REAL REASON FOR THE HAITIAN INVASION. This is a necessary evil for the Fernandez government and for the corporations who are benefiting from it. The Haitian government is simply out smarting the Dominican government by capitalizing on the xenophobic campaign and in the process they continue to release their pressure valve, by allowing as many Haitians as possible to scape to the DR. Moreover, they are meeting the demands of the heavy industry in the DR who are not willing to pay Dominican nationals what they deserve. Do you remember the 80's and 90's in the DR during balaguer, that valve was opened from the DR to the U.S. it is political move that every government will use when necessary. It is up to the host country to control it and stop it when necessary.
Written by: Micaela, 12 Oct 2009 10:09 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Fortune reader, again you don't know what I do or don't . Please, please, don't tell me what to do and how to do it. I don't need you directions, suggestions or anything else. You are the imigrant or economical refugee while I am still here. People need to be aware that even if today they don't feel affected by the problem, tomorrow we may have not DR and there is not reason to leave the foros to Haitians, Dominican pretenders, pro Haitians and usefull fools to lie, misinform and mislead the unawares and push freely their pro Haitians in DR agenda.
From: United States
"MIRABUENO, MICAELA, OLD-SCHOOL-TRINITARIO"
"From here on in known as the: 'Three Stooges of Ignorance, Xenophobia and Racism!"
hey message for you josean el mamaguevo! takes one to know one you afronazi!!!!!
Written by: Pepe32, 12 Oct 2009 12:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Atabey ,great insight ,but don't expect a reasoned response from the lame brained Haitian sympathizers (Vendepatrias) .
Dagtan again attempts to say something but he is talking about Cuba when the issue is Haiti/DR .
He in his ignorance attributed the founding of the DR to Jesuits and cannot admit being in error which is typical of my leftist countrymen .They are so busy empathetic they are forgetting about our country and our interests yet most of them are arm chair (or desktop) liberals because if they really cared so much about Haiti they would go to Haiti to assist instead of shoving Haitians down DR's throat!
The whole Caribbean is racist according these numbskull's because none of our neighbors want Haitians in their countries and they only get a trickle compared to us!
Again ,since they lack arguments they prefer to attack the messenger because NOBODY in their right mind can say that Haitian immigration is good for DR so supporting this immigration is being anti-Domin
Written by: josean, 12 Oct 2009 12:46 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
NOBODY in their right mind can say that Haitian immigration is good for DR.
Now let me see Cervantes;
The Dominican elites and their puppet government allow the illegal immigration, so they certainly must think its good for DR or rather THEIR DR!
Written by: dagtan, 12 Oct 2009 2:33 PM
From: United States
pepe32, I responded to your claim about the jesuit and dominican monks in DR, go back and re-read the posting and yo see that credit was given to both, since both helped the island liberate itself from haitian rule. it is sad, that the only thing you got to throw back at me is that insignificant point in one of my posting. Why don't you go after me in its entirely, I love to kill arguments that hold no water, pepe32 and yours is leaking heavily right now and I know that. at least you say one thing that is true about me, and that is my political inclination, yes I am a LIBERAL and proud of it and highly EDUCATED TO BACK MY LIBERAL VIEWS. I believe that a HUMAN LIFE DOES NOT HAVE COLOR, COUNTRY, LANGUAGE OR NATIONALITY. All those things have been in place by people who wanted to control wealth and access to resources. IF THE DR WANTS TO END THE HAITIAN MIGRATION THEY MUST CREATE A COMPREHENSIVE SYSTEM AND DO IT HUMANLY, HAVE ALWAYS BEEN MY POINT. Unfortunately, the RICH will not.
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Dagtan:
You are not only liberal but Haitian with a mask pretending to be Dominican "TAKE OFF THE MASK FAGGOT" and be a man !
At least you will prove a point of having "COJONES" and being honest instead of bragging about
having education when is useless if you don't have the balls to have fortitude, is not about being
black or white but being pragmatic protecting our borders dumba..
So I guess is true that haitians like you have an issue with the identity and nationality !
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Dagtan:
You are not only liberal but Haitian with a mask pretending to be Dominican "TAKE OFF THE MASK FAGGOT" and be a man !
At least you will prove a point of having "COJONES" and being honest instead of braggin about
having education when is useless if you don't have the balls to have fortitude, is not about being
black or white but being pragmatic protecting our borders dumba..
Written by: dagtan, 12 Oct 2009 3:20 PM
From: United States
JR, as I said to Pepe32, What does a wild animal do when it is wounded? IT BECOMES MORE AGGRESSIVE. JR, you know that you have nothing concrete to say and you are sounding like a broken record, your posting are all the same. YES I KNOW IT HURTS TO BE MADE FOOL OF, I KNOW JR, AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR LEVEL OF AGGRESSIVENESS. But, what i have done to you is necessary, since cognitively challenged people like you must be put in their place.
FINALLY, JR, YOU HAVE REACH THE POINT WHERE ALL OF YOU WHO DO NOT HAVE AN ARGUMENT THAT HOLDS ANY WATER IS. THAT POINT IS, now that I have nothing to say, and the anti-dominican and haitian accusations did not work, maybe i should get personal and the bloodshed will stop. it is ok for you to get personal and call names referring to my sexuality, which BTW you have information of. IT ONLY SHOWS THAT you ARE ALSO HOMOPHOBIC, remember, many homophobs had those bad experiences when they were young. Check with your uncles, maybe they know JR.
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
wow this is really hot topic 129 comments already, god damn wells here my two cents on this issue. The hatians government needs to stop stealing all the citizens money ,and grow the f up. how long can you keep people down and not lift a finger for your citizens . no money no hospitals no transportation. the dominican republic cannot save haiti. haiti can only save haiti . we cannot continue this illegal haitians who come here illegally should be deported back to were they came from. and is not about race because dominicans have black in them, this is all about right and wrong . why cant haiti economy grow? becaused haiti government does not allow the country to grow
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
wow this is really hot topic 129 comments already, god damn wells here my two cents on this issue. The hatians government needs to stop stealing all the citizens money ,and grow the f up. how long can you keep people down and not lift a finger for your citizens . no money no hospitals no transportation. the dominican republic cannot save haiti. haiti can only save haiti . we cannot continue this illegal haitians who come here illegally should be deported back to were they came from. and is not about race because dominicans have black in them, this is all about right and wrong . why cant haiti economy grow? i becaused thre government does not allow the country to grow
Written by: Pepe32, 12 Oct 2009 4:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dagtan ,you opinion of yourself is highly inflated mostly with hot air .You have not been able to explain why DR needs to carry the burden of Haitians and how Haitians are going to improve DR (They will only bring more backwardness to DR)
Now this is not a racial issue but since you lack arguments you try to divert the crux of the issue which is WE (Dominicans) cannot carry the burden of Haiti's failure because we can barely support our own population and every Haitian that enters DR is a step backwards for my country on all levels .
We should not be burdened by people who historically have only tried to destroy our nation from the point of conception to the recent past and who in their own national laws claim our side of the island as theirs .We cannot support ourselves and only a traitor or an imbecile would request that we do so ,while this is understandable from foreign imbeciles for Dominicans it is high treason .
Written by: dagtan, 12 Oct 2009 6:59 PM
From: United States
Pepe32, where have you been my friend? Everyone in the mother knows that that the DR can not sustain such influx of Haitians. The question that you and some of your supporter continue to miss, purposely may i say, is how is the DR to deal with the problem? We all know the effects and you drape yourself talking about the effects, if you want to talk solution, read my posting more carefully. But just in case, here is my proposition, which btw has been posted several times.
There is no doubt that the DR can not and should not continue to deal with the Haitian issue. What they should is develop a system to stop the migration from coming in and once such migrant has been deported, make sure they do not comeback even if they try. The system should be accompanied by a series of human rights legislation, a clearing house data base and jail time for repeater offenders, who should repatriated immediately to ease the burden on DR jails. Eventually, walls should go up in the hottest.
Written by: dagtan, 12 Oct 2009 7:03 PM
From: United States
areas or hotter points of crossing.
Now, there you have it pepe32. One thing I do not support is the breaking up of family and denial of citizenship to dominican born of haitian ancestry. Neither, do i support the pick of people in the streets and put in army trucks and deposited across the border without due process.
As long as things like these continue to happen, I will be an arden spoke person against the DR, even if it means to be considered anti-dominican or un haitiano tapao as you and other often resort to do to the ones that come on here with a different opinion.
pepe32, I AM HUMAN FIRST AND DOMINICAN SECOND.
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Dagtan:
You are Haitian first, haitian second and third a human being without identity or man's "COJONES"
Written by: Pepe32, 12 Oct 2009 8:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I have never been your friend either yet you attribute statements made by others to me. I never would have supported Trujillo simply for being a dictator and least of all for killing several members of my family. I would not have supported the violence of his regime nor would I support any violence today.Having said that I truly believe that DRASTIC measures need to be taken because unless the current trend is not halted and reversed there may be an explosion especially with the current economy pressing Dominicans and the historical (and worldwide) custom of finding scapegoats for problems.
Written by: Pepe32, 12 Oct 2009 8:13 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Haitians should be deported HUMANELY but they should be deported and the border should be fortified because otherwise there will be no Dominican Republic,just Eastern Haiti .
The international community wants DR to carry the burden and fix that which they could not fix and Carter and Clinton and the Jesuits would want us to give citizenship to all the Haitians in DR which would mean that eventually the disappearance of DR and the birth of the Haitian island which would be spitting on those Dominicans who gave their blood and tears to liberate us.
Written by: josean, 12 Oct 2009 8:26 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
dagtan,
I appears that you are having some effect on Pepito he is actually sounding more rational.
On the other hand Ruby, although I hate to say it, may require water-boarding!
Written by: dagtan, 12 Oct 2009 9:05 PM
From: United States
WOW, WOW, pepe32, I happen to agree with 80% of your last posting. I see the light pepe32, it has been tough, but you are finally recognizing the problem is bigger than the haitians themselves and to approach such issues with such blanket thinking is simply unproductive and insane.
No, neither the U.S. or the Jesuits want what you are saying, they want a comprehensive immigration system. Trust me on that, since no one in the U.S. will ever think of granting citizenship to the 12 million illegals that are living in the country at this point.
If the U.S. dares to interfere with the policy of citizenship across the board for Haitians, then there should should revolts across the island. I will support the preservation of the family and the granting of citizenship to those born on Dominican soil. This something that it is already in practice here in the U.S.
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Dagtan:
Weed or cocaine side effect ? guess that your haitian blood is doing collateral damage; comparing US to DR is like believing in santa claus, revolt across the island if you want
Trujillo to comeback from his grave whch will be a great idea so We can get rid of the
Haitian plague,Please Dagtan take off your mask and admit that you are a filthy Haitian to get some respect
Written by: Micaela, 12 Oct 2009 10:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Very interesting Dagtan proposed solution: develop a system to stop the migration from coming in and once deported, make sure they do not comeback, a clearing house data base and jail time for repeater offenders, who should repatriated immediately to ease the burden on DR jails. Eventually, walls should go up in the hottest areas or hotter points of crossing. But he stopped, didn't elaborate. How will DR, a poor, underdeveloped country achieve something that US, rich and developed has not been able to do with all the resources it has? They have not been able to stop migrant, deport them all, or even get the wall up through out the whole border. Please just tell us how we, whose lack of education prevent us from even mechanize simple industries, can surpass US and the European, well the rest of the world in solving the illegal immigration problem? Please just let us know.
Written by: Micaela, 12 Oct 2009 10:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dagtan, back to the matter: You mixed the Cuban patriotic faming agenda and talent separation methods, claim that sugar was left to HAITIANS and DOMINICANS and that the system still in place today and that after the collapse the sugar is being cut by retirees and other manual labor workers. First, I have never heard of important Dominican sugar workers community in Cuba, but be that as it may, what research says is:
As per History of Cuba: "Between 1912 and 1930"more than 300,000 black workers from Haiti, Jamaica, Barbados, and other Caribbean islands entered Cuba to work in the expanding sugar sector."
As per The Architect of the Cuban State: Fulgencio Batista and Populism in
Cuba, 1937±1940. On 19 January 1937 the government announced plans to expel British West Indian and Haitian workers. By the end of February, three large resettlement camps in Camaguey and Oriente held several thousand Haitian and Jamaican workers -cont-
Written by: Micaela, 12 Oct 2009 10:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic
By March 30,000 Haitians had been repatriated, with an expected 50,000 to follow shortly. Thousands of Jamaicans, Barbadians and other British West Indians were subject to the same measures. Migrant labor continued to enter Cuba after 1937, but not in the same numbers as before.
COMMAND AND COUNTERMAND: CUBA’S SUGAR INDUSTRY UNDER FIDEL CASTRO - The rupture of relations between the island and its northern neighbor triggered the redirection of Cuba’s sugar exports and of the sourcing of its imports of technical inputs… the entire society subsequently engaged in an all-out effort to meet a 1970 production goal of 10 million tons of sugar Until the small crops of recent years, tens of thousands of urban workers and young people continued to be mobilized annually for the harvest.
Written by: Micaela, 12 Oct 2009 11:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic
As I told you, what I knew was that since 1970 Fidel engaged the Cubans in the sugar cutting, while most of the mill operation was mechanized and until before the collapse, thousands of urban workers and young people continued to be mobilized annually for the harvest, therefore there was no place for new Haitians immigrants, which doesn't mean that the generations already there were molested. Fidel simple deport any Haitian as soon as he gets there. Of course you as an educator and in US should have better research tools than mine and could easily disprove those claims.
From: United States
When Cuba deported Haitians sugar cane workers in the 1930's guess where most of them went ? Yes... the good old DR. This was the reason for such a massive influx of Haitians along the border during this period in history, that it provoked and triggered Trujillo a man of action and of little or no thought to commint the massacre. Now on the other extreme, when we compare Trujillo to Leonel, he is nothing but a man of thought and no action.
Written by: dagtan, 13 Oct 2009 7:48 AM
From: United States
MICAELA, concentrate on disporving my stance on the sugar cutting of CUBA, you go back to Batista which doe not shed any light on the cuban decisionn to stop labor immigrants. Yes, these people were migrant workers, since when have you heard of migrant workers staying in the host country 100%. Many were Dominicans and more were haitians, and yes most of them returned and some stayed.
The movement to meet the demands of the Soviet Bloc was initited as a nationalistic movement by Che and as a way of showing the U.S. that Cuba was self-suficient and did not needed their markets. (Havana Journal April 15, 2006).
Look more intimately into the cuab educational system, or better yet, take a trip to Cuba since you can just travel there without any restrictions.
These workers were not deproted, but sent back home since their services were no longer needed.
Written by: dagtan, 13 Oct 2009 7:53 AM
From: United States
were no longer needed. This is what happens when a country imports labor, they eventually must go back. This is what the U.S. failed to do with the Mexican migrant workers. Eventhough many returned, a great number stood behind.
As far as resolving the immigration problem in the DR, if you have a better method, post your method. One thing that I can asure you of is that this is the way that it will go down. And yest the DR will have to absorb a huge amount of money in order to construct such fences and develop those new systems, because it is in the best interest of the DR to stop the migration.
The Haitian government is playing great pilitcal strategy by relieveing their government from unecessary stress, as they see it, by opening the flood gates to DR. We innthe DR got such things via getting the largest amount of visa in the caribbean after the 1965 invasion.
Keep up with the reading Micaela, you are making progress. WIKI failed to guide to Nelson, "Rural Cuba" 1950
Written by: Micaela, 13 Oct 2009 1:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dagtan, you were not talking about my solution, but yours. How is that we would do what not other country in the world, developed or not, rich or poor have done? What tecnology and resources would we use, that have not been used succesfully by, let's say USA, to control its border, deport illegal alliens and prevent them from returning. Please elaborate. By the way, I almost never use WIKI, for fear that the information comes from guys like you.
Written by: Pepe32, 14 Oct 2009 10:34 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Anyone who supports the Pol Pot of the Caribean (Che Guevara) shows his true colours !
Che Guevara was a genocidal maniac guilty of the murder of hundreds of people ,many by his own diabolical hands yet those who support him and his evil ideology guilty of over 120 million deaths in less than one century have the nerve to talk about human rights !!
What human rights do Cubans have in the island gulag?? worst of all many of these imbeciles live in the US while supporting all the enemies of this nation which shows that they are not only traitors to the DR but also traitors to the nation that has given them an opportunity in life ,such is the nature of traitors .
As always the idiotic comparison between the US and DR situations which anyone with at least one neuron knows are incomparable!
Written by: Pepe32, 14 Oct 2009 11:04 PM
From: Dominican Republic
The central thesis of the genocidal maniac was " my way or the paredon " and Raul Castro is having to adapt to the real world and not the utopic and totally failed system which Che Guevara tried to impose by fire and brimstone throughout the world.
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These enemies of the state would undo all that our forefathers struggled with their blood to free us from the Haitians .
Worst of all they conspire with those who would destroy the Dominican Republic!
Although the use of the race card may work perhaps against some of the extreme liberals, left wingers or guilt ridden white N. Americans or Europeans, please be advised that the DR is neither a European or 'white' country. So gentlemen please put away that card for it will be of no use to you here. Or if you do want to use it, please use it everywhere else too (Bahamas, Turks & Caicos, Guadaloupe, etc.) no double standards cuz thats racist. lol
From: United States
So not wanting unskilled workers who entered your country illegally is racist...
No!
Every sovereign country has the right and responsibility to defend and protect its borders and to decide who is welcomed in their national territory and who is not. The anger should not be direct at Haitians who are trying to survive any way they can, like any human being in similar circumstances might do (for there but for the grace of God go I) but rather by Haitians at their government and elites for allowing deplorable living conditions; and by us at our government and elites for allowing uncontrolled migration into the country so they can benefit from cheap labor at the expense of the Haitian exploited worker and the overburdened Dominican taxpayer.
But that is not what is being argued by our DT KLAN, they consider Haitians less than human, a plague, would like to spray them mosquitoes, which Sir is racist period!
We do not have to deal with the Haitians ,we have enough problems of our own!
The Haitians can all go back to Haiti to overthrow their government but get the heck out of DR!
The DR Elites who let the Haitians in should be hung by the tallest pole!
Y tu imbécil eso no es racismo porque los problemas de los Haitianos no son nuestros ,eso se llama PATRIOTISMO o sea anteponiendo los intereses de la República DOMINICANA a todos los intereses! pero un rojo tarado infectado con las ideas afronazis de los EEUU no podrá nunca entender eso... vende patria,traidor,perro sarnoso ! aunque seguro que ni sabes bien el Español y opinas desde fuera!
And the ones to tells are Jesuist, actively working for Haitians in DR, the part of the island where the poor Haitians live best. I wonder why they don't to go where there are lot more Haitians in need and in worse conditions they would ever be in DR, Haiti, of course.
lo peor del caso es que el gusano este se sigue llamando dominicano.
death by hanging if you ask me.
esa es la triste realidad de nuestro pais, nacimos con estado parasito adjunto a nuestra cintura, is like we have a dead twin and can't have surgery to remove it, and we are curse to share forever their god giving misery.
The Jesuits have to be reminded that if they are not the goverment, they are in our country and they can be deported as well.
Let's get rid of all these NGO's that little by little are only creating problems for Dominicans, at the long run "What have the Jesuits done for Dominicans Lately"
mira perro lo que dominicana hace por tu gente:
http://www.almomento.net/news/133/ARTICLE/43908/2009-10-09.html
por que no te comunicas con los jesuitas y les dejas saber como los haitianos en juana mendez viven como seres humanos gracias a la venevolencia de mi gente.
Nunca cojas el nombre de RD en tu boca perro ingrato, que por gente como tu es que haiti es hoy en dia lo que es, un decierto seco.
por cada haitiano que es discriminado otros miles disfrutan de la generosidad de mi pueblo, especialmente en mao , de donde es mi familia, cientos de haitianos se enconden en los montes muertos de hambre buscando que comer, y cada vez que voy al rio veo muchos dominicanos dandole ayuda y comida hasta los enconden cuando hay redada, y cada vez que vengo a esta pagina y leo la mie**da que postea este gusano, me dan ganas de arrastrarlo hasta mao y hacer que los haitianos en el rio le den una golpia, pa que no sea chopo, lambon.
cacique
If that was true those guys will be all in haiti right now helping them to overcome their own racial descrimination
From: Dominican Republic
Ok, we are racist, so what?
Now we are making progress!
You have already told him and the world world!
I guess now you and your xenophobic racist compadres here at DT will propose a Final Solution as well eh!
Do you keep Mein Kampf at the night table next to your bed or do you actually put it out on the coffee table in the living room?
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel: Samuel Johnson
And you Sir are worse than a scoundrel!
Citando otros por falta de palabras propias ,sin ideas para defender una invasión dañina para la República Dominicana en TODOS sentidos (Social,Cultural, Económico e incluso lingüístico)
Este tipejo no tienen nada que hacer en un foro Dominicano ,lo mas seguro es otro piti disfrazado de Dominicano porque de ser " Dominicano " seria un ser asqueroso y traicionero.
¿Acaso van a mejorar la cultura Dominicana?
¿Acaso van a mejorar la economía Dominicana?
¿Acaso van a mejorar la sanidad Dominicana?
¿Acaso van a aportar inteligencia y progreso a Dominicana?
¿Acaso van a mejorar el medio ambiente Dominicano ?
¿Acaso van a traer mas orden a Dominicana?
Etc.
Los haitianos solo traen mas atraso en todos los sentidos y los únicos que se benefician son un puñado de ricos y a largo plazo los haitianos que demograficamente van tomando espacios Dominicanos y consumiendo recursos Dominicanos.
En fin los patanes como josean que vayan a haití si tanto quieren ayudar los Haitianos porque de nuestro lado de la isla lo único que pueden conseguir es plomo ardiente!
So stop hiding your racist comments in Spanish, David Duke would be proud of them!
why NOT lynch all of them?.....
JUST GO easy every one REMEMBER the WORLD IS wacthing U..... go easy THEY make less problems then the dominicians do in NEW YORK CITY. so go EASY...
JUST GO easy every one REMEMBER the WORLD IS wacthing U..... go easy THEY make less problems then the dominicians do in NEW YORK CITY. so go EASY...
At least 85% of those dominicans you refer to are lawful residents, and pay taxes. And are not any different from previous generations of Italians or Irish immigrants that populated your backyard and you are so proud of today.
if We were in the 1822 Dominicans will not and can not be so stupid to
please the loosers, suckers and mediocre that want to invade us in the most
retarded way exporting diseases, poverty and vodoo.
From here on in known as the: 'Three Stooges of Ignorance, Xenophobia and Racism!"
if We were in the 1822 Dominicans will not and can not be so stupid to
please the loosers, suckers and mediocre that want to invade us in the most
retarded way exporting diseases, poverty and vodoo.
main reason why you and your people are pariahs in the western hemisphere and the lame
ducks of the international community living of handouts and begging for sympathy.
!Si defender los intereses Dominicanos es racismo entonces soy racista !
!Si decir que mi Patria no puede ni con nosotros y menos con los Haitianos me hace racista entonces lo soy!
!Si decir que Haití invadió mi Patria múltiples veces y practicaron la limpieza étnica me hace racista entonces soy culpable!
!Si decir que los problemas Haitianos son suyos y son mayormente su culpa me hace racista entonces soy culpable!
Eres un tipejo de escasos recursos mentales ,por eso no puedes discutir con ideas prefiriendo llamar racista por falta de argumentos ya que no he encontrado a nadie que me pueda decir el porque debemos hundir la República Dominicana con el atraso social ,cultural y económico Haitiano que ya suficientemente ha contribuido al atraso de mi Patria .No tienes ideas porque no hay justificación fuera del suicidio nacional para permitir que los Haitianos sigan entrando a nuestra Patria y que dejemos que nos desplacen dem
Presume mucho
"pero en este foro se expone en ingles" (Inglés)
¿Donde esta escrito que solo se puede escribir en Inglés en un foro Dominicano?
" y seria descortés a los que no entienden castellano no contribuir en ingles. "
Dan lastima aquellos "Dominicanos" que no saben Castellano.
"¡Además yo creo que es usted quien tiene problema con el idioma ingles o tiene vergüenzas " (vergüenza no vergüenzas )
No tengo problema alguno con el Inglés ,ademas domino el Francés y el Italiano pero mi mensaje no es para traidores vendepatrias como tu y menos aun para los Haitianos que entran a este foro.
"escribir sus comentarios ultra racistas en ese idioma para que todo el mundo los pueda entender!"
Eres un tipejo de escasos recursos mentales ,por eso no puedes discutir con ideas prefiriendo llamar racista por falta de argumentos ya que no he encontrado a nadie que me pueda decir el porque debemos hundir la República Dominicana con el atraso social ,cultural y económico Haitiano que ya suficientemente ha contribuido al atraso de mi Patria .No tienes ideas porque no hay justificación fuera del suicidio nacional para permitir que los Haitianos sigan entrando a nuestra Patria y que dejemos que nos desplacen demograficamente .
¿Cuales son las cosas positivas que aportan los Haitianos a mi Patria?
Obviamente eres muy poca cosa para debatir con ideas porque aparte de tu izquierdismo rancio y tu anti-Cristianismo nefasto no tienes nada que aportar y solo repites como oveja las "ideas" de tu ideología insensata .
! Ignorante !
Let the French ,the US,The Canadians and the Jesuits invest their sizable budgets on fixing the Haitian problem in Haiti and leave us the F.. alone!
love and enjoy when Haitians like you feel so arrogant and full of s..t, for instance
"pepe if you read my comments meant to say that we Haitians are superior", what
the heck with you people full of nothing.
Agree with a French expert that this week in DR said that Haitians lack a identity
and this is why Haiti is a pariah state, haitians want to promote their low self perso
nality spreading lies and victim status to the world.
Vodoo, diseases and misery will be your people trail to follow as long as you don't
want to grow up and acknowledge that your guys are your own worst enemies.
In Spanish ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language ) or English, with spelling corrections, the appropriate accents, your "superior" intellect and dominance of the "correct" ideology and dedication to religion you are still a xenophobic, racist with extraordinary fear and paranoia.
If Haitians are so inferior then why do you fear them so much?
We don't fear Haitians at all since We already gave you an example who's your daddy;
first We kicked you out in 1844 and then Trujillo, once again We are not xenophobic but
nationalist, to give an example of Haitians feeling repulsive about their nationality look at
you josean little prick you being trying to blend in like a Dominican when you are a Haitian.
Ruby,
I have many problems but according to my novia that is not one of them!
Now antonioj don't you think that might be a tidbit of and understatement LOL!
The logic goes back to you bastard pretending to be Dominican too like your creole, dirt cookies eaters buddies; if you feel sad for what Trujillo did to your people what about the hundred of thousands of Dominicans that were killed during the genocide that your vodoo tribe of monkeys
commit against innocent Dominicans, I strongly believe in a eye for an eye.
Stop pretendig being Dominican and take a hike with your lack of Haitian identity, you are not from Santiago you are just full of cr.p like your own frustrated Dessalines descendants.
micaela,
Running from you is like running from mental quadriplegic!
I rarely find anything worth in quoting Balaguer aka Trujillo Light, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
He once said that DR is rich country that is administered poorly. Like the money wasted on the Faro the Colon, the money wasted on the METRO just to name TWO OF THE MORE OBVIOUS AND EGREGIOUS EXAMPLES.
However, as cheap as the Dominican elites are with their own Dominican blood countrymen do you really believe that they would allow the “hordes” of Haitians come and use our resources, (which I don’t believe because they don’t provide them to Dominican nationals, but for the sake of your xenophobic racist argument we will assume that is the case) if they were not getting and exorbitant rate of return in Haitian cheap labor!
You are Haitian so stop preaching sh.t about Trujillo, you have an identity issue.
I am sure if you look hard enough Hitler might have made some good points, too but his overall polices were crimes against hummanity!
The French intelligentsia, left or right, are the least credible people to give any opinion on solving Haiti’s problems since they are the Historical rapist of the country and abandon it having robbed it into disaster!
So please answer to this poor mental quadriplegic question? How the poorest Dominicans, -not the elite- progress by sharing our scarce resources with the Haitians in our school, hospitals, basic services, etc. Please, please, please.
If that's not the answer, I give up, just please explain. -Remember, no the benefit for the elite, that I already know- the benefit for the poorest and their families, the ones carrying the burden.
Who steals more from the Dominican masses, the Haitian undocumented worker or the corrupt government officials and the Dominican elites?
From: Dominican Republic
Dagtan you are absolutely right, we need to develop a comprehensive migratory system to deal with illegal immigration, but the one we should copy is the Cuban. Return them to Haiti as soon as they get to Cuba. Cubans help Haitians where they need it more, in Haiti, but tolerate not immigrants in their soil.
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Care to elaborate on the Castro regime policy and your sources I am very familiar with cuba because of family that still lives there please educate me. If you are refering to pre-batista granted the influx of immigrant toward cuba was all over the carribean then.
Why doesn't Spain take in the Dominican undocumented workers, and the Mexican undocumented workers, since they are our historical rapist and the US give back all its land to the Native Americans they stole from them and pay the African slaves for all the slave labor used to build the US?
http://afrocubaweb.com/haiticuba.htm
Dagtan are you familiar with the policy please provide that infromation for the benefits of the reader
That is your answer to this poor mental quadriplegic question? That is how the poorest Dominicans, -not the elite- progress by sharing our scarce resources with the Haitians in our school, hospitals, basic services, etc?
No surprises there. I suspected that your answer would be as clear and enlightening.
That NOBODY does not include most of the rational Dominicans and Haitians that have posted hear who have clearly stated it is a Bilateral problem of both national governments and both national elites, a plague on both there houses if you will.
The problem is I will not allow the poor Haitians or Dominicans to be scapegoat for polices they have no hand in creating and allowing to continue.
Yes there are Haitians in Cuba, exactly like the Cocolos in DR, both were cane field workers. But you don't see droves of Cocolos immigrating today to DR, as you don't see Haitians emigrating to Cuba. In the first case, Cocolos are not interested, in the second case, Haitians are not allowed to.
Check not the past, but the present Cuban policy toward Haitians. If they reach their coast, they are rescued, feed, checked for heath issue and after returned to their country, not exceptions. Cuba does not take economic refugees and that is how they catalog each and every Haitian today. But don't believe me, do your own research.
Ok, man, whatever you said, if you have nothing else to say. What a surprise!!!
Feel sorry for your debating with Dagtan and Josean since they both haitians and regardless how
politically correct you might want to be they will never give up because They want to take away our land with their victim agenda, preaching education, History, data, misinformation, humanism, human rights, etc.
Dominicans just want to be left alone with this annoying issue, Haitians have an issue in their own country since their elites and goverment don't care about their status but on the other hand
they want us to bend over and take their shortcomings on us.
Dominicans have not problem with Haitians being black but haitians being haitians and hating us and lying to the international community, if They want to call us racist, xenophohic, etc so beat
it and who cares as long as We fight to keep our culture and identity, We don't want to be related
to mediocre people that still live in the past.
"Dios, patria y libertad"
Feel sorry for your debating with Dagtan and Josean since they both haitians and regardless how
politically correct you might want to be they will never give up because They want to take away our land with their victim agenda, preaching education, History, data, misinformation, humanism, human rights, etc.
Dominicans just want to be left alone with this annoying issue, Haitians have an issue in their own country since their elites and goverment don't care about their status but on the other hand
they want us to bend over and take their shortcomings on us.
Dominicans have not problems with Haitians being black but haitians being haitians and hating us and lying to the international community, if They want to call us racist, xenophohic, etc so beat
it and who cares as long as We fight to keep our culture and identity, We don't want to be related
to mediocre people that still live in the past.
"Dios, patria y libertad"
Anyway, back to the beginning, we need to copy Cuban comprehensive migratory system immigration policy toward Haitians and return them immediately they reach the border, no exceptions. Let's help them where they need it more, in Haiti.
Agree with you 100% but my point is that these loosers need to be meet with tough solutions like they always call me racist, xenophic, etc, so beat it I am KKK 100%, pro-Dominican, Pro-Trujillo,
ect, who cares.
What I will never, ever do is to bend over and let these c.ck Sucke.s to humiliate my country, my culture, my legacy, my bloodline, my love for Duarte, etc. They are the ones (HAITIANS) full of hate
envy, low classs since We never invade their dump part of the island and never will.
Once again in the name of the trinitarios,
"Dios, patria y libertad"
Cubans opting to stay in Haiti ?????
Betweent Cuba and Haiti there is a big, huge gap of living conditions dear friend.
Cubans opting to stay in Haiti ?????
Betweent Cuba and Haiti there is a big, huge gap of living conditions dear friend.
It is very easy to figure. Cubans opt to stay wherever, but Cuba, so they can go from there someplace else, like from Haiti to DR and from here to USA or Europe, and that goes from Cuban athletes to professionals in all areas, especially medicine.
From: United States
MICAELA, the problem with your argument is that you are all over the place and never want to give anyone credit for their rebuttal or point they are making. The need for migrant workers in Cuba ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union,
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Rest my case thanks dagtan, Micaela does make alot of very good point and very passionately I must add.
Haitian in camouflage pretending to be from Santiago !
What you know about Santiago is base in BS, my dear friend your IP is being watched from DR !
ALOHA !
Haitian in camouflage pretending to be from Santiago !
What you know about Santiago is base in BS, my dear friend your IP is being watched from DR !
ALOHA !
At least I'll give you some credit because you honest 100% with your nationality and believe or
not that means a lot for me to respect you as a human being eventhough I don't like Haitians
for trying to screw up Dominican Repubic.
They also don't understand that the current undercurrents and the global economic climate make for a tinderbox that can be lit with one small spark spelling a disaster for both nations.
He is so brain dead that although nobody here has called for violence against Haitians and I believe most would condemn it ,we are all followers of Trujillo even those of us who lost relatives to the dictatorship!!
To call someone a NAZI probably means he does not know the meaning of the word (National Socialist) and interestingly enough he probably has more in common with the Nazi´s than those he attacks and probably hates Jewish people and Israel just as much as Hitler did!
2.Haitians are rejected in many countries including other "black" Caribbean so I imagine everyone is racist against Haitians.
3. Haitians are exploited by both the Haitian and Dominican elites and they benefit from this "slave labour" yet for the Dominican population as a whole Haitian immigration is a net loss consuming scarce resources and overburdening the institutions.
4.Dominican Republic is portrayed as evil by the Haitians and their collaborators (traidores) yet they are so mistreated that if they are deported to Haiti they immediately plan their next trip over the border,this would tend to prove that the Haitians mistreat their own far more than any Dominican would hence the Haitians are their won worst enemy!
Any other conclusion con only be arrived at by pure emotion because if logic prevailed we would not let 99.9% of the Haitians in the country.
6. No nation should accept a potentially hostile immigration which can eventually surpass it demographically in a short period of time because if allowed to grow too far then it is true that only bloodshed can turn back the tide and this would cause great suffering for all.
Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum ! (If you want peace ,prepare for war)
In other words weakness causes more war and bloodshed than strength and the current situation cannot be tolerated much longer therefore it is better to find a peaceful solution before it gets out of hand!
I will be glad to finally know how share their school, hospitals, transportation, basic services, jobs and even the corners to beg, is good for our poorest. And overall how having 45 students in a classroom that before had 30 improves the quality of education, that will allow RD to finally mechanize our industries.
Only Haitians can stand and fight that elite, but instead they prefer to run out of the country and survive. So the only solution left, and the only hope for DR, is an international Trust (fideicomiso) administrating Haiti for the next 50 years. When it can be called a country again, they can return the reins to Haitians, and even if they turn it back, at least the whole world, especially DR would had have a respite. Would it even happen?
please forgive me for interjecting in your psuedo intellectual mastubation . It's very easy to pick on the weak than to fight the power. Last I check it's not the Haitian elite that keeps hiring those ilegal Haitians in your country.
I believe Mr Dartang as give you the solution to your imigration problem.If you are not willing to stand up to your business interest and your government on these issues as stated by Biggy Small " STOP YOUR BLOOD CLOTH CRYING". But sense you claim to be educated I'm sure you already know in politic business interest always supercede the interest of the masses.
By the way, this is my country and I can " BLOOD CLOTH CRYING" all I want, and not Haitian can tell me what to do.
"From here on in known as the: 'Three Stooges of Ignorance, Xenophobia and Racism!"
hey message for you josean el mamaguevo! takes one to know one you afronazi!!!!!
Dagtan again attempts to say something but he is talking about Cuba when the issue is Haiti/DR .
He in his ignorance attributed the founding of the DR to Jesuits and cannot admit being in error which is typical of my leftist countrymen .They are so busy empathetic they are forgetting about our country and our interests yet most of them are arm chair (or desktop) liberals because if they really cared so much about Haiti they would go to Haiti to assist instead of shoving Haitians down DR's throat!
The whole Caribbean is racist according these numbskull's because none of our neighbors want Haitians in their countries and they only get a trickle compared to us!
Again ,since they lack arguments they prefer to attack the messenger because NOBODY in their right mind can say that Haitian immigration is good for DR so supporting this immigration is being anti-Domin
Now let me see Cervantes;
The Dominican elites and their puppet government allow the illegal immigration, so they certainly must think its good for DR or rather THEIR DR!
You are not only liberal but Haitian with a mask pretending to be Dominican "TAKE OFF THE MASK FAGGOT" and be a man !
At least you will prove a point of having "COJONES" and being honest instead of bragging about
having education when is useless if you don't have the balls to have fortitude, is not about being
black or white but being pragmatic protecting our borders dumba..
So I guess is true that haitians like you have an issue with the identity and nationality !
You are not only liberal but Haitian with a mask pretending to be Dominican "TAKE OFF THE MASK FAGGOT" and be a man !
At least you will prove a point of having "COJONES" and being honest instead of braggin about
having education when is useless if you don't have the balls to have fortitude, is not about being
black or white but being pragmatic protecting our borders dumba..
FINALLY, JR, YOU HAVE REACH THE POINT WHERE ALL OF YOU WHO DO NOT HAVE AN ARGUMENT THAT HOLDS ANY WATER IS. THAT POINT IS, now that I have nothing to say, and the anti-dominican and haitian accusations did not work, maybe i should get personal and the bloodshed will stop. it is ok for you to get personal and call names referring to my sexuality, which BTW you have information of. IT ONLY SHOWS THAT you ARE ALSO HOMOPHOBIC, remember, many homophobs had those bad experiences when they were young. Check with your uncles, maybe they know JR.
Now this is not a racial issue but since you lack arguments you try to divert the crux of the issue which is WE (Dominicans) cannot carry the burden of Haiti's failure because we can barely support our own population and every Haitian that enters DR is a step backwards for my country on all levels .
We should not be burdened by people who historically have only tried to destroy our nation from the point of conception to the recent past and who in their own national laws claim our side of the island as theirs .We cannot support ourselves and only a traitor or an imbecile would request that we do so ,while this is understandable from foreign imbeciles for Dominicans it is high treason .
There is no doubt that the DR can not and should not continue to deal with the Haitian issue. What they should is develop a system to stop the migration from coming in and once such migrant has been deported, make sure they do not comeback even if they try. The system should be accompanied by a series of human rights legislation, a clearing house data base and jail time for repeater offenders, who should repatriated immediately to ease the burden on DR jails. Eventually, walls should go up in the hottest.
Now, there you have it pepe32. One thing I do not support is the breaking up of family and denial of citizenship to dominican born of haitian ancestry. Neither, do i support the pick of people in the streets and put in army trucks and deposited across the border without due process.
As long as things like these continue to happen, I will be an arden spoke person against the DR, even if it means to be considered anti-dominican or un haitiano tapao as you and other often resort to do to the ones that come on here with a different opinion.
pepe32, I AM HUMAN FIRST AND DOMINICAN SECOND.
You are Haitian first, haitian second and third a human being without identity or man's "COJONES"
The international community wants DR to carry the burden and fix that which they could not fix and Carter and Clinton and the Jesuits would want us to give citizenship to all the Haitians in DR which would mean that eventually the disappearance of DR and the birth of the Haitian island which would be spitting on those Dominicans who gave their blood and tears to liberate us.
I appears that you are having some effect on Pepito he is actually sounding more rational.
On the other hand Ruby, although I hate to say it, may require water-boarding!
No, neither the U.S. or the Jesuits want what you are saying, they want a comprehensive immigration system. Trust me on that, since no one in the U.S. will ever think of granting citizenship to the 12 million illegals that are living in the country at this point.
If the U.S. dares to interfere with the policy of citizenship across the board for Haitians, then there should should revolts across the island. I will support the preservation of the family and the granting of citizenship to those born on Dominican soil. This something that it is already in practice here in the U.S.
Weed or cocaine side effect ? guess that your haitian blood is doing collateral damage; comparing US to DR is like believing in santa claus, revolt across the island if you want
Trujillo to comeback from his grave whch will be a great idea so We can get rid of the
Haitian plague,Please Dagtan take off your mask and admit that you are a filthy Haitian to get some respect
As per History of Cuba: "Between 1912 and 1930"more than 300,000 black workers from Haiti, Jamaica, Barbados, and other Caribbean islands entered Cuba to work in the expanding sugar sector."
As per The Architect of the Cuban State: Fulgencio Batista and Populism in
Cuba, 1937±1940. On 19 January 1937 the government announced plans to expel British West Indian and Haitian workers. By the end of February, three large resettlement camps in Camaguey and Oriente held several thousand Haitian and Jamaican workers -cont-
COMMAND AND COUNTERMAND: CUBA’S SUGAR INDUSTRY UNDER FIDEL CASTRO - The rupture of relations between the island and its northern neighbor triggered the redirection of Cuba’s sugar exports and of the sourcing of its imports of technical inputs… the entire society subsequently engaged in an all-out effort to meet a 1970 production goal of 10 million tons of sugar Until the small crops of recent years, tens of thousands of urban workers and young people continued to be mobilized annually for the harvest.
The movement to meet the demands of the Soviet Bloc was initited as a nationalistic movement by Che and as a way of showing the U.S. that Cuba was self-suficient and did not needed their markets. (Havana Journal April 15, 2006).
Look more intimately into the cuab educational system, or better yet, take a trip to Cuba since you can just travel there without any restrictions.
These workers were not deproted, but sent back home since their services were no longer needed.
As far as resolving the immigration problem in the DR, if you have a better method, post your method. One thing that I can asure you of is that this is the way that it will go down. And yest the DR will have to absorb a huge amount of money in order to construct such fences and develop those new systems, because it is in the best interest of the DR to stop the migration.
The Haitian government is playing great pilitcal strategy by relieveing their government from unecessary stress, as they see it, by opening the flood gates to DR. We innthe DR got such things via getting the largest amount of visa in the caribbean after the 1965 invasion.
Keep up with the reading Micaela, you are making progress. WIKI failed to guide to Nelson, "Rural Cuba" 1950
Che Guevara was a genocidal maniac guilty of the murder of hundreds of people ,many by his own diabolical hands yet those who support him and his evil ideology guilty of over 120 million deaths in less than one century have the nerve to talk about human rights !!
What human rights do Cubans have in the island gulag?? worst of all many of these imbeciles live in the US while supporting all the enemies of this nation which shows that they are not only traitors to the DR but also traitors to the nation that has given them an opportunity in life ,such is the nature of traitors .
As always the idiotic comparison between the US and DR situations which anyone with at least one neuron knows are incomparable!